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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, January 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 026



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In this issue:

Re: Headers for a 1996 351 v8 ["Fast Ford" ]
Tranny info! ["Bryan Snyder" ]
Re: Gas vs. Diesel [Jason Lester ]
Plow truck ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: Transfer case upgrade. [Dave Armbruster ]
ADMIN: Web chat reminder [Ken Payne ]
Re: Nite Truck Info [ACMERCG ]
Re: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts [ACMERCG
84' Bronco II Conversion [ACMERCG ]
Re: Nite Truck Info [Randy ]
Re: Toys [Chad Royse ]
Re: My error [Chad Royse ]
Re: Gas vs. Diesel [Chad Royse ]
Re: Transfer case upgrade. [Chad Royse ]

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:08:01 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: Headers for a 1996 351 v8

Try MAC or Bassani.
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From: David Mortensen
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 8:21 PM
Subject: Headers for a 1996 351 v8


>I would like to buy headers for a 96 F250 with the 351. The 96 351 has a
>smog hookup at the rear of each exhaust manifold, i've talked to Hedman,
>Hooker, Edelbrock, Doug Thorley and JBA, none of these companies make
>headers for the 96+ exhaust hookup, but they do make them for the
>previous years. Does anyone know anyone who makes them, or has anyone
>converted a pre-96 set for post-96 service? The 97 Ford Motorsport SVO
>catalog doesn't list them either, but is it possible that the 98 catalog
>will have them?
>
>Also does anyone know how much the stock exhaust manifolds would go for,
>JBA once told me if i send them the manifolds they might be able to make
>a set of headers for it.
>
>Thanks,
>Dave
>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:36:08 PST
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: Tranny info!

I have found a great sight for tranny info (great info on how shift kits
can help or hurt your tranny and other great articles)!! I have noticed
a large amount of complaints with your auto trannies...this is the sight
to see. The address is thegrid.net/thedrivetrainpage As for my
previous post to find out more about a transfer case swap idea (13-54 to
13-56) I was told I should stay with my 13-54 as the 13-56 has an
internal flaw that could cause pump failure after 70,000 to 90,000 miles
(even in 2wd!). My source also said that he was unable to determine if
my electronic hookups would "talk to one another" in this application. I
originally wanted to do the swap to get the lower low range gearing of
the 13-56 and maybe an overall stronger case, but know I think I will
just go through my case, give it a clean bill of health and leave well
enough alone! No sense inviting trouble!

Hope you all like the sight,
Bryan Keep the shiny side up!

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:53:17 -0500
From: Jason Lester
Subject: Re: Gas vs. Diesel

The reason they don't recommend it is that the diesel trucks are already
close to their maximum weight capacity of the front end when stock. The
diesel engine weighs much more than the gas engines. You could probably do
it if you put heavier springs on the front, but you might exceed the front
axle's weight rating. Mine weighs 4400 lbs on the front end.

Jason

>I've tried to get the answer gas vs diesel w/ a snow plow and have been
>unsucessful to date. A dealer told me that Ford advises against putting a
>plow on a diesel powered truck and that it would void the warranty. Is
anyone
>aware of this? I want to buy a new 1999 HD F-250 and would like to get the
>diesel, but want to be able to plow snow... thanks

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:23:39 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Plow truck

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We have a Ford 3/4 ton with a 460, and a D**ge with the 5.9 Cummins =
Turbo. I realize you only have the 351 but... For a single month of =
solid plowing with the Ford, and hauling around the sander and sand in =
the back, we average $1200 on gas. With a straight month of plowing, =
driving to and from work, and any other places we have to go, we spend =
right about $400 on gas. So you case might not be as extreme as this, =
and I don't what type of mileage the Powerstrokes get, but I am pretty =
sure you would get much better mileage with the diesel.
Casey

>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:38:56 -0000
>From: Stephen Barclay
>Subject: Gas vs. Diesel

>I purchased a 1997 F250HD RegCab 4x4 with the 5.8L V8 for use as a plow =

>truck. I have just over 1,400 miles on the truck now and I am beginning =
to=20
>wonder if I should have purchased the diesel instead. Reason, gas =
mileage!=20
>So far the truck is averaging 8.5 miles per gallon over all. With a =
best of=20
>11 without carrying the plow around and 8 to 8.5 while plowing, which =
in=20
>Michigan this year has been quite disappointing.

>My question is are there any others out there that have a diesel plow=20
>truck? What type of gas mileage are you getting? What are the pro's or=20
>con's where the diesel is concerned?

>Thanks


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We have a Ford 3/4 ton with a 460, =
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but...   For a single month of solid plowing with the Ford, =
and=20
hauling around the sander and sand in the back, we average $1200 on =
gas. =20
With a straight month of plowing, driving to and from work, and any =
other places=20
we have to go, we spend right about $400 on gas.  So you case might =
not be=20
as extreme as this, and I don't what type of mileage the Powerstrokes =
get, but I=20
am pretty sure you would get much better mileage with the =
diesel.
Casey
 
>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:38:56=20
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t;Subject:=20
Gas vs. Diesel>I purchased a 1997 F250HD RegCab 4x4 with the =
5.8L V8=20
for use as a plow >truck. I have just over 1,400 miles on the =
truck now=20
and I am beginning to >wonder if I should have purchased the =
diesel=20
instead. Reason, gas mileage! >So far the truck is averaging 8.5 =
miles=20
per gallon over all. With a best of >11 without carrying the plow =
around=20
and 8 to 8.5 while plowing, which in >Michigan this year has been =
quite=20
disappointing.>My question is are there any others out there =
that=20
have a diesel plow >truck? What type of gas mileage are you =
getting? What=20
are the pro's or >con's where the diesel is=20
concerned?>Thanks 

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:15:46 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: Transfer case upgrade.

>Is anyone familiar with the Borg-Warner 13-54 with electronic
>engagement? I have one in my 90 Ford Ranger STX with the 5sp. I want to
>put a Borg Warner 13-56 with the electronic engagement out of an F-150
>in my truck instead, (it has a lower low range). Are the mounting
>flanges the same? is the front output shaft on the right side? Will the
>electronic hook up just plug in and work? Is the 13-56 any stronger than
>my 13-54? And finally, is the electronic engagement of the case Separate
>from the main computer? The wiring diagrams I have seen do not show this
>wiring. Transfer cases just aren't my cup of tea! Any help will be
>greatly appreciated!
>
>Bryan. Remember guys, Keep the shiny side up!

Bryan,

As far as 13-54 to 13-56 mechanical changes, I don't know, but am
interested just like you.

But, as far as transfer case electronic controls, I think I can help there.
On the '97 Ranger, the transfer case is controlled by the GEM, the generic
electronic module, based on the input from the vehicle speed sensor, shift
position sensor on the xfer case and the switch control system (for the
switch itself). The GEM is a box that controls a lot of things besides the
xfer case. I know it turns on and off the dome lamp on mine (it has a
battery saver that shuts it off after 25 min if it's left on), the antilock
brakes and the cruise control. I am not sure everything it does, but
suffice to say it more than just the 4wd system. This is on the '97, so it
may or may not be applicable to all years.

Also, to say this is seperate from the main computer is relative, there is
the PCM (Powertrain Control Module), which controls the engine functions
and the transmission, but this and GEM are tied together. But other than
the position sensor on the xfer case itself, the GEM doesn't know what kind
of case is there. There really isn't a main computer that controls
everything, but smaller systems that feed information to one another and
act on that based on their programmed parameters.

Hope this is some help.

Dave
'97 Ranger Supercab 4x4, 4.0L 5 spd auto.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:22:19 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web chat reminder

Web chat in 40 minutes (8pm, EST) to celebrate our 1st anniversary.
See you there!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:25:12 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Nite Truck Info

Well everybody, in my ongoing quest for more info on the "Nite"
trucks, I spotted one at a Jeep dealership on Saturday. It was a 92' like
mine with the same blacked-out body, minus the larger tires, but the surprise
came when I looked into the cab. The truck had a 5-spd and a manual transfer
case, not the auto trans and shift-on-the-fly t-case that I thought they all
had. It was also the only other std cab longbed, other than mine, that I have
ever seen. So far I have seen Broncos, Stepsides, Shortbeds, And of course,
longbeds. I have yet to see an x-cab truck with the "Nite" package. If any
one else has any more info, please let me know.

Thanks,

Joe

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:29:31 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Happy Anniversary to the Ford Trucks Enthusiasts and to the long lasting
F-150!!!

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:27:54 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: 84' Bronco II Conversion

Still looking for any info regarding a 4.0 or 5.0 conversion into
this auto equipped 4X4. Anyone have any suggestions?

Let me know,

Joe

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:18:01 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Nite Truck Info

I thought that I had mentioned that the one I saw here in Ohio was an X-cab.
Sorry if I did not state that. Don't know year, maybe '92 (flat nose for sure)
X-cab, 8' bed, 4x4.
Later,
Randy

ACMERCG wrote:

> Well everybody, in my ongoing quest for more info on the "Nite"
> trucks, I spotted one at a Jeep dealership on Saturday. It was a 92' like
> mine with the same blacked-out body, minus the larger tires, but the surprise
> came when I looked into the cab. The truck had a 5-spd and a manual transfer
> case, not the auto trans and shift-on-the-fly t-case that I thought they all
> had. It was also the only other std cab longbed, other than mine, that I have
> ever seen. So far I have seen Broncos, Stepsides, Shortbeds, And of course,
> longbeds. I have yet to see an x-cab truck with the "Nite" package. If any
> one else has any more info, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:44:15 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Toys

So how did you convince Ford to put a V-8 in YOUR Ranger?

Psnowball wrote: >

> The Consumer
> Reports gave the Ford Ranger a major thumbs up last year. (along with the
> Nissan which they said was basically the same with a Ford engine) So what do
> I like about my Ranger?
> I love sitting up high and I love the power in it. (I got the V8)
> Varoooooommm!!!

>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:58:25 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: My error

It's too bad really. I think the Ranger could benefit greatly from a small V-8.
The 4.6L maybe.

Chad

Psnowball wrote:

> Again--I repeat. I made a typo this morning. It was very early--I do NOT have
> a V8. It's a 6. I've given myself 100 lashes with a wet noodle.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:56:54 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Gas vs. Diesel

8.5mpg with a 351? I thought 10mpg (city) was bad with my 460, and it's a
Supercab, 4x4, longbed!

Stephen Barclay wrote:

> I purchased a 1997 F250HD RegCab 4x4 with the 5.8L V8 for use as a plow
> truck. I have just over 1,400 miles on the truck now and I am beginning to
> wonder if I should have purchased the diesel instead. Reason, gas mileage!
> So far the truck is averaging 8.5 miles per gallon over all. With a best of
> 11 without carrying the plow around and 8 to 8.5 while plowing, which in
> Michigan this year has been quite disappointing.
>
> My question is are there any others out there that have a diesel plow
> truck? What type of gas mileage are you getting? What are the pro's or
> con's where the diesel is concerned?
>
> Thanks
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
> +----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:49:37 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Transfer case upgrade.

I know that the 1354 and 1356 are very similar and the control module is
seperate. Look for the control module behind the drivers seat.

Chad

Bryan Snyder wrote:

> Is anyone familiar with the Borg-Warner 13-54 with electronic
> engagement? I have one in my 90 Ford Ranger STX with the 5sp. I want to
> put a Borg Warner 13-56 with the electronic engagement out of an F-150
> in my truck instead, (it has a lower low range). Are the mounting
> flanges the same? is the front output shaft on the right side? Will the
> electronic hook up just plug in and work? Is the 13-56 any stronger than
> my 13-54? And finally, is the electronic engagement of the case Separate
> from the main computer? The wiring diagrams I have seen do not show this
> wiring. Transfer cases just aren't my cup of tea! Any help will be
> greatly appreciated!....

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