fordtrucks80up-digest Saturday, April 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 142



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In this issue:

Re: Dodge Mail List ["Chris Hedemark" ]
Re:Re: Engine Noise [David Anderson ]
BIG BRONCO REBUILD ["Todd Johnston" ]
Re: Saleen Explorer [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: Saleen Explorer [rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)]
Swapping Automatic trans ["Ronald Kreft" ]
Re: Rear Bumper 4 Sale ["Casey Vandor" ]
Another Ontario Subscriber ["Kerr, Brian (R)" ]
Startup trouble [Chris Hedemark ]
RE: Startup trouble ["Harold Day" ]
Re: Startup trouble [Chris Hedemark ]
RE: Startup trouble ["Harold Day" ]
Re: Swapping Automatic trans [Run351 ]
Re: Startup trouble ["David Butts" ]
John meade ["Ronald Kreft" ]
A note from Peggy [Ken Payne ]
RE: Brake Test [Michael Wray ]
Re: Brake Test [FSTFORDS ]
live/digest ["Casey Vandor" ]
Carbs [Dmcomp ]
Re: John Meade wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu [Ken Payne
Ford is better than Dodge :) ["Casey Vandor"
Re: John Meade wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu [Ken Payne
Drive shaft change [Brett ITT 41 ]

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:47:31 -0400
From: "Chris Hedemark"
Subject: Re: Dodge Mail List

Actually the "ramlist" I used to run was all-encompassing of Dodge fullsize
trucks. The problem was, when we asked new subscribers what year their
trucks were, only about 1 or 2 % were pre-1994 trucks. :-( Even asking
around on the newsgroups there wasn't a lot of call for those. I think your
best bet may be to try the ramlist and ask on there. They've gotten so big
that there has to be SOMEONE that can help you there.

Try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rswilson.com to find out more. Check out my old rig in the
featured rides section. :-)

Chris Hedemark
Yonder Way
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: Casey Vandor
To: Ford Truck List (80 + up)
Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 11:33 PM
Subject: Dodge Mail List


>Could somebody point me in the direction of a Dodge fullsize mailing list
>for older trucks (75 is what I am looking for)
>
>Thanks
>Casey
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:26:01 -0500
From: David Anderson
Subject: Re:Re: Engine Noise

To my question about an under hood noise sounding like a banging heat
riser Mike Miller suggested that I check the exhaust system for loose
shields, hangers etc.. Amazingly, the exhaust system is original on
this truck after 8 years and 94K miles. The muffler is showing some
rust holes along the seam and sure enough when I shook and banged the
muffler with my fist I could hear a loose baffle inside. From past
experience I agree with Mike that such noises can be heard far away from
the source. I'll have to replace this muffler before next state
inspection and I bet this noise will go away. Thanks Mike.

David Anderson

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Date: 17 Apr 98 08:37:21 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: BIG BRONCO REBUILD

Hi guys
I have a couple more questions about part exchanges for my 88 bronco.
Some where in the future i hope to change my 302 engine that has approximately
290k on it, to a new larger engine. My question is: Am i better of with
something that has EFI or is the old fashioned carberated systems better.
Also my bronco comes from the factory with a limited slip rear end that i am
not sure if i should change during my rebuild project.
I have been reading some articles on the air locking sytems. Is this the way
to go or are there better ways.
The important thing for me is that i want to have a good off road truck
that i can depend on but still be able to drive to work every day comfortable.
I don't really know a lot about trucks so any help that i could get
through out my project would be extremely appreciated.
Thank again
Bronco Bustin
todd_johnston sony.ca

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:04:52, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer

Saleen Explorer is can of whoop a*s. Three engine choices: the 4.0
SOHC, the 5.0L, and a supercharged 5.0L! I think it has 18" wheels,
fat tires, upgraded brakes, and of course, upgraded suspension.
Sweet looking air dam, ground effects, and real nice interior
treatment. Saleen makes Mustang's fast as hell, and he makes
explorers fast as hell. Actually he really beefs up the suspension,
so the Explorer will handle very well.
Josh

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:13:07 -0700
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer

Saleen was instrumental in converting the first Rangers into racing
sport trucks,and was the guy who represented Ford and general tire,if
memory serves. The Saleen Mustangs were 5.0 cars modified brand-new with
5 lug wheels,roll cages,additional structural supports,suspension
mods,with the 5.0s warmed up.Their "claim to fame" AFAIK was that you
could drive one of these off the Ford Dealership lot(the only place you
could get them) and go racing! Just one more note on the Ford Tremor;
you can find it at the Popular Mechanix website.It is featured there
with other experimental vehicles from C%*#y & D*# e. It,to me,is not a
question of whether or not an SUV can perform safely 140mph;it isn't
meant to compete with formula sports cars.It is that it will get to
140mph at all! I'd love to have a Tremor for the weekend. Randy 94
Bronco EB 85 F-250 4x4

















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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:52:12 -0400
From: "Ronald Kreft"
Subject: Swapping Automatic trans

David,
My 89 Bronco with the AOD does the direct opposite. It is too quick to =
downshift out of OD. When going up an incline (not always steep where you =
would expect it to downshift) it will downshift 3-4 times with the cruise =
on. It drives me nuts. After driving my father's truck with the EOD4 its =
much more tolerable. Thats why I was asking about swapping. From what =
you say if ford could make something in the middle of what we have, with a =
helluvalot more reliability they might get it right. I wonder who they =
have testing these things?

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:38:43 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Re: Rear Bumper 4 Sale

Is it a regular height, (not a big step bumper)? If nobody buys it buy
mid/late July I would be interested in it. Mine is 83 and I put a tow hitch
on, so it cant drop further than a stock bumper. Rough idea on shipping?

Thanks
Casey
- -----Original Message-----
From: Sheldon Belinkoff
To: Ford Trucks
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 12:55 AM
Subject: Rear Bumper 4 Sale


>I have a late-model F-series rear step bumper for sale. It's chrome and
>just about brand new. It should fit all F-series trucks and big
>Broncos. I'd like to get $100.00 for it, but am not sure what it's
>really worth. First reasonable offer takes it.
>
>I'm in the San Francisco area of California. Shipping will be extra.
>
>--
>Sheldon Belinkoff
>belinkoff earthlink.net
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:44:18 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)"
Subject: Another Ontario Subscriber

Paging Todd Johnston sony.ca:
I tried to email direct, but I cant get through to you. Email me at
kerrb basf-corp.com, then by replying I can hopefully capture your address.

Brian Kerr
83 F150 4X4

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:52:23 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Startup trouble

Howdy folks,

Nagging problem on my 87 F250 5.0L EFI I was hoping y'all could help
with.

When I got into the truck this morning it got off to a bad start. This
is common when it is cold. Normally I have to nurse the throttle to keep
her awake until she warms up a bit and can idle on her own without
stalling. This morning she wanted to stall, as usual, but I when I went
to feather the gas the engine bogged every time I blipped the throttle.
It was almost like a clogged fuel filter or empty gas tank or
something. Once it warmed up it ran fine, though.

Also, maybe an unrelated problem, when the engine is cold the idle
surges up and down until it warms up like a vaccuum leak except the
problem completely goes away when the engine is warm.

Anyone seen this before?

- --

Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:11:37 -0500
From: "Harold Day"
Subject: RE: Startup trouble

I've seen this behavior in a carburated truck, (mine) and it was a power
valve on the carb that was messed up. I also had a EFI truck that started
acting this way when warm and it was a plugged cat... That's probably not
much help.

Sorry.
Harold

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:27:58 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: Startup trouble

Harold Day wrote:

> I've seen this behavior in a carburated truck, (mine) and it was a power
> valve on the carb that was messed up. I also had a EFI truck that started
> acting this way when warm and it was a plugged cat... That's probably not
> much help.

My truck is EFI.

Are you saying that your EFI truck did this, and when you changed the
cats it was fine again?

My truck doesn't have the rotten egg smell typical of a bad cat. But
are there any other symptoms if it is bad?

- --

Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com
"From the fury of the Norsemen, oh Lord, deliver us!"

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:41:09 -0500
From: "Harold Day"
Subject: RE: Startup trouble

> Are you saying that your EFI truck did this, and when you changed the
> cats it was fine again?
>
> My truck doesn't have the rotten egg smell typical of a bad cat. But
> are there any other symptoms if it is bad?

Mine didn't have the rotten egg smell either. Again, this behavior was when
the truck was warm, not cold. In my current truck it had to do with a bad
power valve on the carb. Maybe something relates to that on the EFI? I'm not
sure.

With the cats it behaved this way only when warm. I couldn't figure it out,
so I took it to the dealer, they determined that it was a cat problem. After
they changed it out I had no more problems.

Good Luck
Harold

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:55:17 EDT
From: Run351
Subject: Re: Swapping Automatic trans

Don't forget the E40D is computer controlled..that is a big difference w/AOD &
E40D.. RUN351

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:06:31 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: Startup trouble

TPS on the TBI

Check the voltage across your Throttle Position Sensor. It should be about
.98 volts when in idle. You could loosen the screws and turn it a little to
see if that will help.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hedemark
>
>Nagging problem on my 87 F250 5.0L EFI I was hoping y'all could help
>with.
>
>When I got into the truck this morning it got off to a bad start. This
>is common when it is cold. Normally I have to nurse the throttle to keep
>her awake until she warms up a bit and can idle on her own without
>stalling. This morning she wanted to stall, as usual, but I when I went
>to feather the gas the engine bogged every time I blipped the throttle.
>It was almost like a clogged fuel filter or empty gas tank or
>something. Once it warmed up it ran fine, though.
>
>Also, maybe an unrelated problem, when the engine is cold the idle
>surges up and down until it warms up like a vaccuum leak except the
>problem completely goes away when the engine is warm.
>
>Anyone seen this before?
>
>
>Chris Hedemark - chris yonderway.com - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.yonderway.com

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:44:31 -0400
From: "Ronald Kreft"
Subject: John meade

Does it shake when the drive train is under load like when you are =
applying the gas to it? What happens if it is shaking and you shift it =
into neutral? =20

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:57:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: A note from Peggy

To the members,

I would like to express my personal thanks to each and
every one of you who has chosen to be so generous to the
cause. Thanks to you, we have secured a new list server
and within the next two weeks the problems with service
interuptions will stop.

Many of you know how many grueling hours and hair-raising
minutes Ken has spent to make this the incredible success
it is today. It means a great deal to us to know that when
"the truckin' gets tough, the tough get truckin!"

Thanks again and God bless!

Peggy Payne
Coadministrator, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:05:08 -0700
From: Michael Wray
Subject: RE: Brake Test

Speaking of brakes..... I have an '86 F250

I just had the master cylinder replaced by Midas. Before this was
replaced, my pedal would go down about and inch before being solid,
this was before the problems started. Now, it goes about half way down
before it becomes a solid pedal.

1. What would cause this?

2. Since this was not the way it worked before, could it be that
the way it works now is normal, I was just used to it being
non-normal?

Michael (whoa..... Whooaa.... WHOOOAAAA!!!)

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:30:49 EDT
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: Brake Test

sounds like air in the lines...

michael long
smooshed 87 jx sami

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:44:43 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: live/digest

With the live list, do you only get the individual posts and not the
compilation of the digest? No big deal, just a little easier to read with
everybodys replies together. I have been on the live list for a day and a
half, but havn't recieved a full digest, only the individual ones.

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:40:50 EDT
From: Dmcomp
Subject: Carbs

I have an 83 F-100 with the I-6 that needs a new carb. My question-should I
replace the old one with a stock replacement or is there an aftermarket that
would be better.
I am looking for a little better performance and still have good reliability.
Thanks in advance

Dennis

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:23:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: John Meade wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu

At 10:35 PM 4/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone help? My 86 F150 302 suffers a vibration/shake at 46-55mph
>towards the back of the truck. Two Ford dealers have not solved the
>problem. Have replaced both axles; rims; tires, and had the drive shaft
>trued and balanced. Know something? Please tell me. Anyone had any
>good or bad experiences with sprayed on bed liner? I'm looking for Ford
>80's vintage 15" Bronco alloy rims.
>

Try getting the bearings checked, and while the axles are
out, make sure they're straight.

Ken Payne

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:20:31 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Ford is better than Dodge :)

Dug this out of the Dodge List today

>>_______________ wrote:
> where the hell
> do you think they got the new look for Rams? From the old F*rds!
>>
>I don't know, my sister dug up a picture of me next to my 1947 Dodge
>Deluxe sedan, and I'd swear the ront ends were interchangeable, except
the sedan had a push bar on the front(old squad car). My Ram doesn't.
Bill A

Hehehe
Casey

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:25:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: John Meade wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu

At 10:35 PM 4/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone help? My 86 F150 302 suffers a vibration/shake at 46-55mph
>towards the back of the truck. Two Ford dealers have not solved the
>problem. Have replaced both axles; rims; tires, and had the drive shaft
>trued and balanced. Know something? Please tell me. Anyone had any
>good or bad experiences with sprayed on bed liner? I'm looking for Ford
>80's vintage 15" Bronco alloy rims.
>

>Try getting the bearings checked, and while the axles are
>out, make sure they're straight.

>Ken Payne

Whoops, obviously you've check the bearings since you replaced
the axles. I don't know what I was thinking with that last post!
Maybe the rear drums are out of whack? Rare but it does happen.....


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