fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, April 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 141



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In this issue:

Re: F 250 turbo diesel lousy fuel economy [Bill Funk
Re: 1997 F150 Engine Problems ["Rick Wojciechowski"
Swapping Automatic Trans ["Ronald Kreft" ]
Found Oil Info(URL) ["Rick Wojciechowski" ]
RE: Swapping Automatic Trans ["Chapman, David P"
TP Sensor [John Cassis ]
RE: F 250 turbo diesel lousy fuel economy ["Smeins, Larry"
big bronco rebuild ["Todd Johnston" ]
Slanted rear end [John Cassis ]
Re: Diesel Motor Upgrade ["Dave Resch" ]
Wanted: Trailer Connector Harness Adapter ["Giddens, Scott"
Re: 7.3L gas ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: Saleen Explorer [rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)]
Re: Saleen Explorer ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: Saleen Explorer ["Matthew P. Hoyt" ]
Re: bent bumper [Run351 ]
new [darryl arrera ]
John Meade wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu [John Meade
Dodge Mail List ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: Saleen Explorer ["Mike" ]
Rear Bumper 4 Sale [Sheldon Belinkoff ]

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 05:28:17 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: F 250 turbo diesel lousy fuel economy

> From: "Mike Miller"
> Subject: F 250 turbo diesel lousy fuel economy
>
> I have an 85 F250 4x4, xcab, 6.9l diesel with the Banks turbo. The
> truck has
> a 3.54 limited slip rear end.
> My problem is fuel economy - crusing at 60mph (2200rpm) on level
> ground, I
> get about 18mpg. Towing a 28 foot travel trailer that weighs in at
> about
> 7000 pounds, I get about 10.5 mpg. I have talked to people that get
> 20+
> hiway and towing heavier rigs than mine, get 15+.
> I get a lot of black exhaust, especially when towing, which to me
> indicates
> I am running a little too rich and the injection pump needs adjusting
> to
> lean it out. Yet the max I get on the pyro meter is about 900 degrees.
> This,
> as I understand it from talking to Banks, should be around 1100
> degrees,
> which means I need to richen the mixture to get more power from the
> turbo.
> Is there something I am missing here? Anyone have any ideas what to
> check
> that would cause these symptoms? The air filter ( K&N) is brand new.
>
> mike miller

Mike,
Diesels don't run rich, per se, until they reach an RPM limit, because
they don't have an air intake restrictor plate (throttle) like gas
engines do. All other things being equal and right, if you put in more
fuel to a diesel, you get more power out (under a constant load, you get
higher RPMs).
To get the black exhaust you are experiencing, you might be having an
injector timing problem. Something to check.

Bill

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:27:37 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: 1997 F150 Engine Problems

h7819 rea-alp.com wrote:

> We have a 1997 Ford F 150 Lariet Extended Cab that has been sitting in
> the shed for a few months due to the death of my father. Anyway we drove
> it out of the shed about a week ago and the lifters were ticking when it
> was put back in the shed the lifters were still ticking. What could be
> the problem? I would have thought that should have stopped before it was
> put bacl into the shed. If any one on the group can help me out please
> post or email me at h7819 rea-alp.com

Matt,
The problem is probably one of two things or both. Either the oil is low
or
you need to change to a different brand of oil. I personallly use Castrol
GTX for
both my Fords, but a lot of people like Mobil 1. Its your preference. But
yes,
a vehicle should be broken in and stayed with only one brand of oil. There
is a
page here on the truck list(if you havn't seen it) that tells you
everything you
want to know about which weight, brand, and viscosity should be right for
your
truck. I just don't remember the URL.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Stock I-6 "The BROWN BULL"
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:59:10 -0400
From: "Ronald Kreft"
Subject: Swapping Automatic Trans

I am taking my 89 Bronco with AOD and a 302 to the dealer for a new =
transmission. Does anyone have an idea whether a EOD4 trans could be a =
direct swap? The AOD does a lot of hunting for the right gear when in =
overdrive. My father's 92 with a 302 doesn't do that and just seems a lot =
smoother. .....Ron

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:09:48 -0500
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Found Oil Info(URL)

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:

> Matt,
> The problem is probably one of two things or both. Either the oil is low
> or you need to change to a different brand of oil. I personallly use Castrol
> GTX for both my Fords, but a lot of people like Mobil 1. Its your preference.
> But
> yes, a vehicle should be broken in and stayed with only one brand of oil.
> There
> is a page here on the truck list(if you havn't seen it) that tells you
> everything you want to know about which weight, brand, and viscosity should
> be right for
> your truck. I just don't remember the URL.

Matt,
I just found the URL http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://blue.iris.mipt.ru/iso/timur/auto/ehoilfaq.htm
for oil information.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 FSize Bronco, Stock I-6 "The BROWN BULL"
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:21:18 -0400
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: Swapping Automatic Trans

My 95 Bronco 302 & E4OD is too quick (in my opinion) to shift into OD.
Then it usually takes lots of pedal to kick it down. Around town it
tends to shift into OD a lot. I usually turn off the OD in these
situations (which I think Ford recommends anyway). I find it also takes
lots of pedal to get it to downshift on a hill. And until it does,
it's got not power at all. Drives me nuts on the numerous hills in our
area. We settled for the auto because we wanted a late model Bronco but
couldn't find one with the manual. Based on this purchase, I'll never
own a truck with an automatic again (of course just my opinion).

Dave Chapman


> -----Original Message-----
> From:Ronald Kreft [SMTP:rrk networkresources.net]
> Sent:Thursday, April 16, 1998 8:59 AM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject:Swapping Automatic Trans
>
> I am taking my 89 Bronco with AOD and a 302 to the dealer for a new
> transmission. Does anyone have an idea whether a EOD4 trans could be
> a direct swap? The AOD does a lot of hunting for the right gear when
> in overdrive. My father's 92 with a 302 doesn't do that and just
> seems a lot smoother. .....Ron
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:26:10 -0500
From: John Cassis
Subject: TP Sensor

Hey Walt I checked my milage last night and did get an improvement after =
the TP sensor was replaced. With about 190 highway miles, 10 miles in =
4x4, and 54 miles city driving I got 18mpg. Now I'm on 31's and the =
truck came stock with 235/70/15's, my speedo reads about 3mph slower =
than I'm actualy going so my milage is a little better than 18mph. But =
basically I did get a little improvement on mpg's.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
Texas is a State of Mind

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:00:54 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: RE: F 250 turbo diesel lousy fuel economy

That black smoke is unburned fuel. You've covered the air filter which
would have been one of my first guesses. You can lean the mixture by
just backing out on the go pedal a bit. Much easier than readjusting
the pump. Diesels pump a constant air volume and power is controlled by
changing fuel amount. Too rich is a bit of a misnomer until you get to
the point where you don't have enough oxygen to burn all the fuel at
full throttle. My diagnosis is your timing is incorrect. Diesels are
surprisingly sensitive to injection timing. Jason's page is a good
source of info. He just put up a new page for older Ford diesels.

Larry

>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:24:31 -0700
>From: "Mike Miller"
>Subject: F 250 turbo diesel lousy fuel economy

>I have an 85 F250 4x4, xcab, 6.9l diesel with the Banks turbo. The
truck has
>a 3.54 limited slip rear end.
>My problem is fuel economy - crusing at 60mph (2200rpm) on level
ground, I
>get about 18mpg. Towing a 28 foot travel trailer that weighs in at
about
>7000 pounds, I get about 10.5 mpg. I have talked to people that get 20+
>hiway and towing heavier rigs than mine, get 15+.
>I get a lot of black exhaust, especially when towing, which to me
indicates
>I am running a little too rich and the injection pump needs adjusting
to
>lean it out. Yet the max I get on the pyro meter is about 900 degrees.
This,
>as I understand it from talking to Banks, should be around 1100
degrees,
>which means I need to richen the mixture to get more power from the
turbo.
>Is there something I am missing here? Anyone have any ideas what to
check
>that would cause these symptoms? The air filter ( K&N) is brand new.

>mike miller

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Date: 16 Apr 98 10:56:48 -0500
From: "Todd Johnston"
Subject: big bronco rebuild

Hi guys
My name is Todd and this my first time on this site.
I just recently purchased an 88 bronco xlt full size and i was wondering if
anyone might have some good rebuilding tips. This is my first 4x4 i have
owned but it has always been a dream of mine to get involved in the sport.
I feel i have a perfect project truck to do the job.
My overall intentions are to build a strong trail truck with a nice lift.
If anyone has any advice for me i would be greatly appreciated.

Also if anyone is in the ontario region or at least knows of any clubs,
magazines or parts places in the area that would very helpfull as well.

Thanks for any help you can give me.
todd_johnston sony.ca

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:03:14 -0500
From: John Cassis
Subject: Slanted rear end

Shane,

Being that your truck is an 83' could be a bushing inbetween the body =
and frame is rotted and thus the truck does not set level. Anyway just =
my 2 cents worth.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
Texas is a State of Mind

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:00:43 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Diesel Motor Upgrade

>From: DAA7490
>Subject: Diesel Motor Upgrade
>
>I'm considering upgradeing my '94 F350 dually
>from the 7.3L gas motor to a Diesel.

Yo Dave:

This is just my opinion, but I have seen several engine conversions,
including diesel-to-gas and gas-to-diesel. To do this right, it would be a
major undertaking and very expensive. I'd expect it to cost between $8K to
$12K for a decent professional job. Anything less and you'd be looking at
interminable headaches from all the odds & ends that could go wrong w/ such
a major conversion.

I'm not sure there would be any possible financial justification for this;
you'd never break even on the fuel cost savings, and routine maintenance
costs for the diesel are more expensive than for a gasoline engine.

As new as your truck is, w/ as few miles as it has, it should have a pretty
good resale value. I'd think the best option (if you really want a diesel
truck) would be to sell your current truck and buy a diesel truck.

I'd bet the cost difference between a diesel truck and what you could sell
your current truck for would not be out of line w/ the conversion costs,
and you would have the peace of mind of knowing that the diesel truck was
built properly from the beginning.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:28:41 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: Wanted: Trailer Connector Harness Adapter

Does anyone have a heavy duty trailer connector harness
adapter for a '95 F150 that they are willing to part with?

It's the one that comes with the "heavy duty" towing package
and has a HUGE round black connector that mounts to the
rear bumper and plugs into two connectors located on the left
side of the frame. I am willing to buy it even if the large connector
on the end that mounts to the bumper is removed.

I purchased my truck used and it did not have this connector.
Send me e-mail at the address below and let me know what
you want for it.

Scott
sgiddens ball.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:55:34 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Re: 7.3L gas

I would buy it if I had the money to throw at it... Why do you say 11,000
miles on it is bad? I bought my old dodge and on two rebuilds it is way up
in the mileage, the owner i bought it from said the meter had rolled twice,
and since I have had it it has rolled again.....

Casey

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:49:04 -0700
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer

I haven't seen the Saleen Machine yet,but if it is anything like the
Saleen Mustangs,it's gonna be hot! The is an experimental Explorer
called the Tremor,that features a 380 hp 40 valve 4.6L DOHC aluminumV8
that nets a 1/4 mile ET of under 15 seconds,0-60 in a bit over 6 seconds
with a top speed of 140mph.The Tremor also features rear stabilizer,
live rear axle and fully independant suspension,adjustable shocks and is
a couple inches lower than a stock Explorer.Not too bad for a 4900 lb
SUV I'd say! Wish my Bronco'd do that!If a rig like that doesn't make
your heart beat a little faster,check to verify you still HAVE a pulse!
I like the lifted,mudder-tired brush-barred mega-torquers too,but
question their practicality in day to day usage where the bolt-ons see
limited use,if any at all.I would also suggest that there is room for
new ideas and those who present them on ti list; majority or not.We're
all Ford truck fanatics after all,aren't we? Randy 94
Bronco EB 85 F-250 4x4

















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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:07:21 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer

What is Saleen? Is it like a Lighting being compared to a F-150, but in
this case an Explorer?

Casey
- -----Original Message-----
From: Randall Goolsby
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer


I haven't seen the Saleen Machine yet,but if it is anything like the
Saleen Mustangs,it's gonna be hot! The is an experimental Explorer
called the..............




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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:13:12 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Hoyt"
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer

No, A lightning is to a F-150 what a Cobra is to a Mustang. Ford's SVT makes
these vehicles. Saleen is a separate dude who converts mustangs and other
sports cars and has some deal with Ford? so you can order them.

Matt
'93 Lightning


>What is Saleen? Is it like a Lighting being compared to a F-150, but in
>this case an Explorer?
>
>Casey

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:22:38 EDT
From: Run351
Subject: Re: bent bumper

Are you Lokking for another bumper? I have a rear off a 93" Lightning..(RED)
not the Tube type..I am looking for $100 for it..I am here in CT..

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:03:53 -0700
From: darryl arrera
Subject: new

hi guys, newby here...

I have a 86 f250 sc 4x4 with a 460 and 4 speed... couple questions...
refrence the engine... can anyone recomend a good tuning book that
explains the emmisons equip on this engine... also, the throw out
bearing squeels when the clutch peddle is all the way out, I've heard
other ones do that, but how long do you let it go?
-Darryl

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:35:37 -0400
From: John Meade
Subject: John Meade wmeade nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu

Anyone help? My 86 F150 302 suffers a vibration/shake at 46-55mph
towards the back of the truck. Two Ford dealers have not solved the
problem. Have replaced both axles; rims; tires, and had the drive shaft
trued and balanced. Know something? Please tell me. Anyone had any
good or bad experiences with sprayed on bed liner? I'm looking for Ford
80's vintage 15" Bronco alloy rims.

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:30:01 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Dodge Mail List

Could somebody point me in the direction of a Dodge fullsize mailing list
for older trucks (75 is what I am looking for)

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:07:30 -0700
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randall Goolsby
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Saleen Explorer


I haven't seen the Saleen Machine yet,but if it is anything like the
Saleen Mustangs,it's gonna be hot! The is an experimental Explorer
called the Tremor,that features a 380 hp 40 valve 4.6L DOHC aluminumV8
that nets a 1/4 mile ET of under 15 seconds,0-60 in a bit over 6 seconds
with a top speed of 140mph.

I enjoy doing 140+ in my Audi - but I have no desire to go that fast in a
vehicle that is that high off the ground - it just doesn't seem safe. I
doubt the suspension and brakes are designed for that kind of speed.....


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