fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, April 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 128



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In this issue:

Re: Alarm System Suggestions [JSCF250 ]
Frame mount help [Sunflowor1 ]
Re: F-150 5 speed-gears clashing [Mark Ponsford ]
Re : Ford radio connectors ["Casey Vandor" ]
re: cb 7 watts (false advertising) ["Casey Vandor"
Re: cb [Randy ]
Re: CB Radios ["Jram" ]
Re: CB Radios [Vance ]
More alarm stuff [Hawk sktc.net]
Re: EEC Problems [Jon Rishell ]
Re: O2 Sensor - What is it used for? [Del Hosner III ]
RE: F150 tranny ["Randy Kindler" ]
RE:tire size ["Randy Kindler" ]
Speedometer gear ["Kevin Lindstedt" ]
Re: Creaking trans crossmember [KZarnesky ]
Re: Creaking trans crossmember [Randy ]
RE: '96 Bronco + Tire Sizes ["Stephen M. Brown"
'87 F150 Supercab 4x4 XLT Lariat ["Barry Baker" ]
ADMIN: Free web space [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Free web space [Ken Payne ]
Re: '87 F150 Supercab 4x4 XLT Lariat ["curtis miller"
Re: ice tug of war...SIPED ARE 30%BETTER TRACTION [FSTFORDS
Re: '96 Bronco + Tire Sizes [FSTFORDS ]
Re: More Alarm Stuff....some people it's a pride thing [FSTFORDS
re: cb 7 watts (false advertising) [Steve Neumann ]
Re: '87 F150 Supercab 4x4 XLT Lariat [Joshua W Dronkers

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:22:47 EDT
From: JSCF250
Subject: Re: Alarm System Suggestions

yeah well , sorry about the faggy remark. it is a pretty fu..... up world. and
your right about the young punks. so whatever and good luck.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:32:06 EDT
From: Sunflowor1
Subject: Frame mount help

I need 302 frame mounts for a 82 Ford Econoline. As NAPA has informed me that
I can only get them at a junk yard. None of the junk yards by me have any 82
vans with a 302. What other years would work?
Thank You
Sunflower

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:34:04 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: F-150 5 speed-gears clashing

>The 95 F-150 that I recently purchased for my son is showing signs of
>possible transmission problems. First it is an I-6 4x4 with five speed
>OD transmission. The symptom is grinding gears on the 2 to 3 upshift
>when the transmission and engine are hot. There are no other gear
>change combinations that show grinding. I don't know if it has a Mazda
>or ZF transmission and can find no markings on the transmission to
>identify which it is. The easiest attempt at fixing the problem is to
>replace the tranny fluid with synthetic ATF but I expect that would just
>be a cover up for future problems if it helped at all. A short term
>cover up of a worn synchro problem would be acceptable and would buy me
>time if there is any chance new ATF would reduce the annoyance we are
>seeing.
>
>Questions:
>Any chance the synthetic ATF will quiet things down for a while?
>Could it be a clutch that isn't releasing well?
>How do I determine which transmission I have?
>Any history of problems with either of these transmissions and what
>should I look for besides 3rd gear synchronizer while I am in there?
>
>Thanks for any advice you can give.
>
>Larry

To determine the type of trans, check the safety compliance label on the
driver side door jam. I believe M is for the Mazda 5spd. If its the ZF, I
think the code is Z but not sure. I doubt that its the latter. These
transmissions only found there way into the 250HD and higher. (again, not
100% sure)

Mark ('88 F150 302/5spd)

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:42:37 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Re : Ford radio connectors

I have some stock radio connectors for a stock radio setup with 4 speakers.
I ordered them for a 83, but they will work for any that have the small
square connectors (one has 4 wires, the other for the speakers has 8) If
you pay the postage their yours.

Casey

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:46:09 -0800
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: re: cb 7 watts (false advertising)

They do boast so!! I had that model, and when I first got it, I thought it
was great, 7 watts of power and all, but the FCC limits it to 4 watts, and
if you read the fine print, it is 7 watts to the PA hookup and 4 watts to
the radio. I was pissed, anyway, I have decided to go with the Cobra 25 LTD
(i think it is LTD) and up here, they want $170.00 for it. Does anybody
know a store that I can order through to get on cheaper? A website even?
i looked at the cobra site someone listed, but it seems they are all
reconditioned, I havn't had great luck with reconditioned, so I would like
to get a new one)

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:46:09 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: cb

James,
I'd say you can't lose for a factory reconditioned cb for 30 bucks.
I'm building an overhead console for my F-250 and am currently looking
for a cb radio. That one looks perfect, front mic jack and
front-firing speaker. Please let me know how it works out for you.
Also if you could get the overall dimensions on it before you install
it, I would appreciate it.
Later,
Randy

Beaman, James wrote:
>
> There is a good deal on a Cobra remanufactured CB at
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cobraelec.com/cb1.html. This is a radio with weatherband and a
> new one is regularly $110 but these are only $30. I went ahead and ordered
> one but it has not arrived yet so can not tell you my experience but it
> might be something you are interested in.
>
> James Beaman
> james.beaman lmco.com
> Houston, Texas

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:46:48 -0500
From: "Jram"
Subject: Re: CB Radios

As far as size, as other people have mentioned the size of the radio depends
on where you want to locate in the vehicle. As far as buying one, be
careful. The 'legal' limit is 4 watts, but I have yet to see any CB Police
arresting people. You can transmit on a sideband if the radio is equipped
and go legally up to 12 watts, but anyone you are talking to has to also
have the sideband capability. I bought a Unidien for around $40 from there
website. It was refurbished but looked brand new new to me and worked
great. They have many to choose from $20 and up. Cobra also has a website
with the same type of stuff, but less choices. I also bought a Radio Shack
model all digital with sidebands for $50 at a computer swap meet in Dallas.
Both the Uniden and the RS get about 9 miles range where I live. I have not
tried the sidebands on the RS yet. I also got antennas real cheap at a
Radio Shack outlet in my neighborhood so check around for the bargains. Just
my experiences. Hope it helps.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cobraelec.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.uniden.com/

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:34:43 -0500
From: Vance
Subject: Re: CB Radios

Jram wrote:
>
> As far as size, as other people have mentioned the size of the radio depends
> on where you want to locate in the vehicle. As far as buying one, be
> careful. The 'legal' limit is 4 watts, but I have yet to see any CB Police
> arresting people.

You usually don't hear of anyone being fined, but as an avid radio nut
and ham operator I read lots of related magazines and it does happen. CB
licensing was eliminated years ago but the FCC rules still apply. Odds
are you won't get caught, but it's nice to know the risks. I recently
heard of some fellows selling 100 watt linear amplifiers at a truck
stop. Someone tipped off the FCC. They got raided and fined to the tune
of $10,000 per illegal linear. Yow! Usually if you stick to 4 watts, get
a decent antenna, and cut it to give a decent SWR for the channel you
operate on most, you'll be fairly satisfied with the results. If you
want to talk around the world, get your ham license and you can legally
use 1500 watts on ham frequencies. All you have to do is clean up the
language a bit.

vance

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Date: 6 Apr 1998 18:45:46 EDT
From: Hawk sktc.net
Subject: More alarm stuff

FO>I just wanted to say I totaly agree with Vance. Sometimes you have to take a

FO>John Cassis
FO>93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
FO>Texas is a State of Mind

John,
Well said.
Buck Shoff

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:38:41 -0400
From: Jon Rishell
Subject: Re: EEC Problems

Joshua,
Do what ever you have to do to keep the eec IV, trust me , I am going through the
same crap,(which is why I joined this mailing list) in my case just the carb was replaced,
but almost all of the sensors were removed in the process, because the factory carb has no
adjustments for anything. What I ended up doing was swapping the dist. out for a Duraspark
II system. it is a pretty simple deal, my only problem now is getting the timing set right,
any suggestions from anyone on what a 351 W should be set at? I have only done this a week
ago so it is still in the test phase, but I will keep you updated.
From what I have gathered in research, Ford didn't use the EEC III system
for more than a year ( so far I can only guess about six months), and not very many people
know anything about it. (do a search on Yahoo or similar, all
references are to the EEC IV). If you want more info on the dist. swap,
go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html and check it out, hope this helps!
Jon
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://users.penn.com/~jrish/index.html
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> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 23:30:00 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: Joshua W Dronkers
> Subject: EEC Problems
>
> I recently purchased an 84 Bronco that nees some work. It seems that the
> previous owner blew up the origional motor motor and proceded to replace
> it with an 83 motor. This individual cut up the 84 harness and tried to
> attatch the 83 harness. Needless to say, they don't mate. The truck has an
> EEC IV brain, and I am told that the 83 harness needs an EEC III brain
> box. I have heard bad things in relation to the EEC III set-up and the use
> of a crankshaft position sensor. My question is, would I be in better
> shape to get an EEC III brain box, or retain the current EEC IV brain and
> get a new harness? Would the latter even be feasible on an 83 motor?
>
> Joshua Dronkers
> **************************
> *'84 Bronco 351w *
> *32" BFG's/3" body lift *
> **************************
> Fairbanks, Alaska
> fsjwd1 aurora.alaska.edu or
> fsjwd1 uaf.edu
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:55:23 -0400
From: Del Hosner III
Subject: Re: O2 Sensor - What is it used for?

Beaman, James wrote:

> Does anyone want to volunteer to give intstructions on how to change out an
> O2 sensor, especially the one on my '92 351W? :) How would one go about
> locating and identifying it and how is it removed? This would be good
> information to have on all the sensors on the Ford EFI engines that need
> periodic replacement but it is probably too much work for one person to
> cover all sensors for all types of engines.

Generally, (not sure about Ford trucks specifically) the O2 sensor is
located in either the exhaust manifold (inline engines) or in the
exhaust pipe ahead of the cat (inline or V engines). Putting it in the
exhast pipe allows the sensor to get a read from ALL exhaust gasses, not
just the gasses from one bank, on the V engines. They typically have
one wire coming from them. They have a hex-type fastener and are
removed (probably easier said than done) with a special socket for this
purpose. I've seen these sockets at Pep Boys, Murray's, and other parts
stores. Just make sure that the pipe/manifold is cooled off before
attempting to remove, not only to avoid burns, but also to avoid
distortion of the threads in the pipe or manifold.
Not sure about the cost, but I know that they can get pricey.
Hope this helps. If I have made any omissions or errors, someome please
let us know.

Del
Shelby Twp, Mich

P.S. Do yourself a favor and heed the advise given on a previous post.
Do not run your vehicle w/o the O2 sensor hooked-up. Very important to
computer, as are all sensor inputs, for proper fuel delivery.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:50:52 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: RE: F150 tranny

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net
> [mailto:owner-fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net]
They didn't put the ZF in F150s. Only in F250s and bigger.
> I don't know if it has a Mazda
> or ZF transmission and can find no markings on the transmission to
> identify which it is.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:11:15 -0600
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: RE:tire size

>
> I am considering a set of 255/70 (or larger) 15 inch tires for my '96
> Bronco 4x4.. I was wondering if anyone has had any fitment problems with
> them. It appears to have plenty of room in the rear especially -- and up
> front, but.. I am not positive.
>
> Any comments from other 'Bronco or F150 owners ?
My '95 F150 came from the factory with 265/75R15s. I currently run 32x11.50s
with no rubbing. I had to trim the front spoiler a little. With stock rims,
you might get a little rubbing on radius arms at full lock.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:14:46 -0500
From: "Kevin Lindstedt"
Subject: Speedometer gear

Hi all,

I've changed tire sizes on my 1986 F150 XLT Lariat (300 I6/auto - C4?) from
P215-75R15 to P235-75R15. I realize that my speedometer and odometer now
read slow, so I thought I'd do the speedometer gear swap thing. I got
underneath the transmission, removed the hold-down bolt and all that I could
pull out was the magnetic sender (reluctor?) for the cruise control unit. I
don't see how to get to the gear to get it out. The sender thingy has a
square shaft at both ends - one female, other male. It enters the tranny
through what looks like a bronze bushing. Any ideas?

Kevin

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:12:03 EDT
From: KZarnesky
Subject: Re: Creaking trans crossmember

I own a 96 F 250 HD extended cab longbed [460,E4OD] and it has been back
to the dealership twice for a creaking trans crossmember.
There is a TSB out on this and all of Ford's fixes have been tried to date
[grade 8
bolts,teflon pads] only to start creaking again in a few months.
Due to the length of this truck it flexes alot.
I have a few ideas [big,nasty star washers between x member& frame] but any
help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:27:57 -0700
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Creaking trans crossmember

Dave, some of the list members had this same problem. If I recall
(which I rarely do accurately) they unbolted the x-member and put a
plastic shim in. They cut the side off a 1 gallon empy anti-freeze
bottle. Haven't heard anyone complain about it since...
Later,
Randy

KZarnesky wrote:
>
> I own a 96 F 250 HD extended cab longbed [460,E4OD] and it has been back
> to the dealership twice for a creaking trans crossmember.
> There is a TSB out on this and all of Ford's fixes have been tried to date
> [grade 8
> bolts,teflon pads] only to start creaking again in a few months.
> Due to the length of this truck it flexes alot.
> I have a few ideas [big,nasty star washers between x member& frame] but any
> help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:06:00 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: RE: '96 Bronco + Tire Sizes

>From: "Luke Walling"
>Subject: '96 Bronco + Tire Sizes
> I am considering a set of 255/70 (or larger) 15 inch tires for my '96
>Bronco 4x4.. I was wondering if anyone has had any fitment problems with
>them. It appears to have plenty of room in the rear especially -- and up
>front, but.. I am not positive.
>Any comments from other 'Bronco or F150 owners ?


>From a 95 Bronco owner...

The stock tires were either 235somethin's or 265/75R15's (like my original
ones)

I now have 31x11.5's on 15x10 rims...had to trim the plastic air dam under
the bumper to get them to fit.

You can stick with 265/75R15 (about 30.6" tall) or go with 31x10.5 without
any clearance problems whatsoever. 32x11.5 are a bit too big on most
trucks.


have fun
steve

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:53:29 -0700
From: "Barry Baker"
Subject: '87 F150 Supercab 4x4 XLT Lariat

I recently bought this truck, but it didn't come with any documentation, and
it's my first Ford. BTW, it's a propane conversion. I'd really appreciate
it if you could help me out with a couple of beginner questions...

1. The air filter cover says "5.8 Litre 4V H.O." OK, so it's a 351 -- but
which one? I haven't found anything online so far that suggests whether it
be the C, the W, the M, or some other breed altogether. Whichever it is,
what are its general pros/cons.

2. What type of (automatic) transmission is the standard/best match?

3. Do front end/suspension components from 250/350's fit the 150?

4. The oil pressure gauge occasionally bottoms out while driving, but no
other symptoms/leaks, and the dipstick looks fine. Are the pressure sensors
suspect?

5. The brakes are kind of squishy, but by the sounds of a number of recent
posts, that's a problem well-known to Ford trucks. Anything in particular
that might contribute to brake problems with this particular model/year?

6. This model has power door locks. Did it originally come with remotes,
or are there any aftermarket kits that allow you to add remotes?

7. Generally speaking, are there any other maintenance issues to which I
should pay particular attention with this model/year?

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:46:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Free web space

And now the moment we've all been waiting for...
The free web space script is now working! Those who are
interested in having free web space for a Ford truck related
web site can now have up to 300k of free space on the
www.ford-trucks.com domain.

300k doesn't sound like much but it is when you consider that
an 85% quality 640x480 JPG picture is about 40k in size and the
average html file is under 5k then you'll see that you can put
quite a bit on it. Besides, I have to limit the space so more
people can get a site.

In order to get this free space, the following is required:

1. Your desired site name. This will appear as
http://www.ford-trucks.com/members/yoursitename

2. Your desired password. Think it through and make sure you
don't forget it as it will be a hassle to change it.

3. Somewhere on the site, a link to the main page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com
In return, we will provide a link to your page.

4. Your site must be non-commercial. I didn't put in all this
time and effort to give away free space to businesses - this
is for the owners/hobbyists on the list. Arrangements for
businesses may be possible, I'm still considering it and
haven't made up my mind.

5. A description of the site. Keep it short. I need this for
the return link. Make sure your main page on your site is
called index.html or index.htm

6. It has to be under 300k. Our access script will enforce this.
It will not be possible to exceed this limit by 1 byte. Keep
this in mind when you design your page. You may want to keep
clipart or other items on a different server and link to them.

Site upload instructions and confirmations will be sent via email
starting this weekend (I may not be able to get them all done in
one weekend). Everything is handled through a user friendly web
interface with password protection. Included will be a free hit
counter and instructions on its use.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:49:38 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Free web space

Almost forgot...

send requests to: kpayne mindspring.com

If you send it to the list everyone will see your
password!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 23:32:06 -0600
From: "curtis miller"
Subject: Re: '87 F150 Supercab 4x4 XLT Lariat

Its a 5.8 winsor with a c6 tranny. I've got a 88 with a 5.8 and the oil
pressure does the same thing. I was told by a mechanic that it was my crank
bearings and it needed to be rebuilt, but that was three years ago and it still
runs fine. I was told to replace the oil pressure sending unit because it can
cause that. hope i helped you.

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:37:07 EDT
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: ice tug of war...SIPED ARE 30%BETTER TRACTION

siping increases tires traction by 20-30% on ICE EVEN...I KNOW I SELL IT AND
USE IT ....


MICHAEL LONG
DISCOUNT TIRE

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:39:59 EDT
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: '96 Bronco + Tire Sizes

255/70/15 is like 29/8.50/15...fits fine

i put 31/10.50/15's with no mod's

michael long
discount tire

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:42:41 EDT
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: More Alarm Stuff....some people it's a pride thing

someone came up to me w/ a loaded 45 and wanted to steal my mustang...didn't
happen...he is in jail now for armed assault and attempted grand theft.

michael long
discount tire

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 01:39:44 -0500
From: Steve Neumann
Subject: re: cb 7 watts (false advertising)

At 03:46 PM 4/6/98 -0800, you wrote:
>They do boast so!! I had that model, and when I first got it, I thought it
>was great, 7 watts of power and all, but the FCC limits it to 4 watts, and
>if you read the fine print, it is 7 watts to the PA hookup and 4 watts to
>the radio. I was pissed, anyway, I have decided to go with the Cobra 25 LTD
>(i think it is LTD) and up here, they want $170.00 for it. Does anybody
>know a store that I can order through to get on cheaper? A website even?
> i looked at the cobra site someone listed, but it seems they are all
....

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