fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, April 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 127



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In this issue:

O2 Sensor - What is it used for? [jdev mitre.org (John DeVincentis)]
cb [Bryant Smith ]
RE: O2 Sensor - What is it used for? ["Chad Royse"
Farm Truck recommendation [yhtlines surfari.net]
Re: Got my Truck [ACMERCG ]
Re: Alarm System Suggestions [ACMERCG ]
Re: Alarm System Suggestions [ACMERCG ]
thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....) [Vance ]
RE: Skinny/fat was: F-150 vs F-250 Brakes ["Beaman, James"
Club [Vance ]
F-150 5 speed-gears clashing ["Smeins, Larry" ]
In need of Ford radio connectors ["Smeins, Larry"
Re: cb [Robert Kennedy ]
Re: In need of Ford radio connectors [Vance ]
RE: cb ["Beaman, James" ]
More alarm stuff [John Cassis ]
RE: O2 Sensor - What is it used for? ["Beaman, James"
Re: In need of Ford radio connectors [Joshua W Dronkers
Re: Skinny/fat [David McDonald ]
Re: thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....) [Danny Gaudenti
Re: More alarm stuff ["Arnold Gladwell" ]
Re: thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....) ["Arnold Gladwell"
RE: Skinny/fat ["Giddens, Scott" ]
RE: More alarm stuff (off topic) ["Giddens, Scott"

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:49:58 -0400
From: jdev mitre.org (John DeVincentis)
Subject: O2 Sensor - What is it used for?

My 92 Ford F150 (w/ 110K) has been running rough during warm up for the
last couple of years. The dealer was unable to identify the
problem, so I have been just living with it.
Recently, it has been getting pretty bad. Someone suggested it might be the
O2 sensor, so I disconnected it this weekend. Voila ! The truck
is running better than it has in a couple of years.
What is the function of the O2 sensor?
Should I replace it or just leave it disconnected?

Thanks is advance for any suggestions,

John Dee

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:25:36 -0400
From: Bryant Smith
Subject: cb

I have used a Uniden Pro510XL because it boasted 7 watts of power. But
in my dump truck fleet (all Fords!), I use the Cobra 29XLT Classics.
They are a full size radio so they include all the adjustments for RF
gain, mic gain, etc. With the SWR set, they actually work better than
the 7 watt Uniden. There are also models available with weather band and
the newest model (that I'll be replacing the Uniden in my F-150 with)
also has a back-lit face plate so also the switches and knobs light up.


>
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:06:35 -0800
> From: "Casey Vandor"
> Subject: cb
>
> I am going to be replacing my cb in the truck with a new one. I am
> wondering what types you guys have used and liked, full size or mini.
>
> Thanks
>
> ------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:34:31 -0400
From: "Chad Royse"
Subject: RE: O2 Sensor - What is it used for?

Don't disconnect it! It measures a rich or lean condition buy measuring the
left over Oxygen (O2) in your exhaust. When O2 molecules pass over heated
ceramic, it produces a small amount of electricity. If the O2 sensor is
old, has too much carbon on it, is contaminated, or you disconnect it, you
get varying degrees of missing, poor performance, and/or running very rich.
You usually can see black smoke out of your exhaust on hard accelerations.

Most people recommend changing them around 60K. I've seen them go out
before that, and I've seen them go much longer.

Also, consider this. You said it runs better with it disconnected. The
computer has surely noticed a problem with the O2 sensor (when you
disconnected it) and is running in a closed loop mode. Similar to first
startup. If this is what is happening, your computer is ignoring inputs
from many sensors, so you really can't tell what's wrong. Have you tried
extracting error codes from the computer? Even though it seems to run
better this way, I'm quite certain it's not running it's best this way.

Good luck,
Chad

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Subject: O2 Sensor - What is it used for?


My 92 Ford F150 (w/ 110K) has been running rough during warm up for the
last couple of years. The dealer was unable to identify the
problem, so I have been just living with it.
Recently, it has been getting pretty bad. Someone suggested it might be the
O2 sensor, so I disconnected it this weekend. Voila ! The truck
is running better than it has in a couple of years.
What is the function of the O2 sensor?
Should I replace it or just leave it disconnected?

Thanks is advance for any suggestions,

John Dee




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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 05:57:22
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: Farm Truck recommendation

Scott asked again for recommendations for a farm truck. THot I would pass
on my experience: Lived on a 500 acre corn and peanut farm in south Georgia
as a teenager. We had a '53 F series, three on the tree, flathead V-8,
stepside bed. We took that thing all over (it was worn out completely by
the time we got it), it was hard starting on a warm day (something called
flatheaditis), had skinny tires (so did all Indy cars back then), and with
six foot high side boards and a hitch on the bumper, we would load it up
with corn (I had to shovel all of it) and a 20 foot trailer loaded with
corn and off to market we would go. Brake lights? didn't know what they
were. Overloaded? you bet. Dangerous? _very_ likely. Get the job done? yep.
To get that towing job done safely, I would want an F350 now. But to get
around the fence lines and herd cows, that little flathead F truck sure did
the trick.
Dave Lampert

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:03:19 EDT
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Got my Truck

In a message dated 98-04-03 01:12:27 EST, you write:


a V4 in anything, lots of I4's, but never a V4.
>>
Some small airplanes have V4's and VW's, Subarus and Porshes have "boxter"
style flat 4's.

Joe Downey
acmercg aol.com
1992 F-150 5.0 E4OD NITE
1987 Samuari JX
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/acmercg/index.html

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:06:27 EDT
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Alarm System Suggestions

In a message dated 98-04-03 09:19:25 EST, you write:

>
You guys have to relax down there...

Joe Downey
acmercg aol.com
1992 F-150 5.0 E4OD NITE
1987 Samuari JX
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/acmercg/index.html

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:15:10 EDT
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Alarm System Suggestions

In a message dated 98-04-03 10:07:52 EST, you write:


city??? Anyone??? >>

I work in Brooklyn, NYC and drive my truck to work every day. I have
installed an DEI alarm myself after an incident with my "CLUB". I lost my
keys and had to remove the club from the wheel. A stubby screwdriver, three
taps with a channel lock pliers twist, and off it came. I was stunned. No
more than thirty seconds. A pro could probally do it in ten. Now I just have
the alarm, ignition kill, and red led.
It works.

Joe Downey
acmercg aol.com
1992 F-150 5.0 E4OD NITE
1987 Samuari JX
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/acmercg/index.html

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:29:33 -0500
From: Vance
Subject: thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....)

pat daniels wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Arnold. Sure your vehicle is an important part of
> your life, but it is not worth your life. I just moved from Miami and
> there were numerous occasions of young kids killing someone for their
> belongings without even thinking about it. I am 6'3" and 210 lbs but if a
> 5' tall 15 year old pulls a gun on me and all he wants is my truck, the
> only thing I would do is give him the keys. As much time and $$$ I have
> put into my truck, I can always buy another truck. It is hard to do that 6
> feet under. Think about it.


If you give up your truck without any resistance then you have a better
chance for survival. Or do you? What if they shoot you anyway because
the young punks you speak of are so mean and stupid and have nothing to
lose? After such an easy mark as you, they think "hey this is fun" and
search for another victim the next time they are bored. But... if they
met resistance they might think twice about trying it on someone else
because that person might fight back. What if that next time it is not a
210 pound physically fit man but a 115 pound woman....maybe your wife,
your daughter, or your mother? Then the thugs might not be satisfied
just to take their truck. The same low lifes that will shoot you for
your truck will not hesitate to rape or abduct just for thrills. After
all isn't "thrills" why they are stealing your truck to start with? No I
do not have a suicide wish, nor will I take risks against impossible
odds, but if someone tries to steal my truck that I have worked so hard
for I will leave a mark. They may kill me (who's to say they wouldn't
have anyway) but let them explain their injuries to the emergency room
doctor convincingly enough so that he will not call the law on them.
I choose not to live in a high crime area. If the high crime tries to
move in to my area I will do my part to make them think it is not worth
it. It is statistically illsutrated that when states adopt "concealed
carry permits" for weapons, violent crime drops dramatically. If you are
able to arm yourself legally, then the odds are more even and you don't
have to be gifted with brawn by God to have the right to defend
yourself. Think about it.

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:36:36 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Skinny/fat was: F-150 vs F-250 Brakes

Ryan Penner wrote:

Dave McDonald wrote:

> > You can have your bigger patch anyday, I'll take more lbs/sq inch to get
> my
> > traction.
> >
>
> I live in Colorado and I have skinny tires on. I used to have Fat
> tires, man I could just sit there and pretend like I was a dragster and
> go no where. With the skinny's all it takes is a little go juice and I
> am off. No spinning with skinny tires.
>
The main reason I want fat tires is the same reason you guys don't want
them: for flotation. In our pasture here in Texas, it is mainly just sand
with a thin layer of topsoil and grass on top. After a few days of rain,
that top layer is very soft and the sand underneath even softer and if you
break through that top layer, you are stuck. Your skinny tires with their
high lbs/sq inch will break through before my wide tires. True, sometimes
the narrow tires will get down to the hard bottom layer underneath the mud
easier but in this pasture, there is no bottom layer. And there isn't too
much worry about ice here in southeast Texas. It all depends on the area of
the country you live in and what the purpose of your truck is.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:39:13 -0500
From: Vance
Subject: Club

ACMERCG wrote:

> I work in Brooklyn, NYC and drive my truck to work every day. I have
> installed an DEI alarm myself after an incident with my "CLUB". I lost my
> keys and had to remove the club from the wheel. A stubby screwdriver, three
> taps with a channel lock pliers twist, and off it came. I was stunned. No
> more than thirty seconds. A pro could probally do it in ten. Now I just have
> the alarm, ignition kill, and red led.
> It works.
>
> Joe Downey
> acmercg aol.com
> 1992 F-150 5.0 E4OD NITE
> 1987 Samuari JX
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/acmercg/index.html


I live in what most would call a rural area, but we do have thieves.
There have been instances where they use a hacksaw to cut the steering
wheel and slip off "the club". All they have to do is cut one side an
the wheel will flex enough to get the club off. All they are looking for
is a nights joyride anyway. The owner usally doesn't know his truck has
been stolen until the Fire Dept calls them and asks them why their
vehicle was found fully engulfed in flames on an abandoned road....ah
the final thrill.
Hidden kill switches to disable the starter are a good thing, even if
you cannot afford an alarm. They are very easy to install and the
location of such a switch is only limited by your imagination. Even
someone who knows *how* you disabled it will be unable to locate
"*where* you did it and may give up.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:56:04 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: F-150 5 speed-gears clashing

The 95 F-150 that I recently purchased for my son is showing signs of
possible transmission problems. First it is an I-6 4x4 with five speed
OD transmission. The symptom is grinding gears on the 2 to 3 upshift
when the transmission and engine are hot. There are no other gear
change combinations that show grinding. I don't know if it has a Mazda
or ZF transmission and can find no markings on the transmission to
identify which it is. The easiest attempt at fixing the problem is to
replace the tranny fluid with synthetic ATF but I expect that would just
be a cover up for future problems if it helped at all. A short term
cover up of a worn synchro problem would be acceptable and would buy me
time if there is any chance new ATF would reduce the annoyance we are
seeing.

Questions:
Any chance the synthetic ATF will quiet things down for a while?
Could it be a clutch that isn't releasing well?
How do I determine which transmission I have?
Any history of problems with either of these transmissions and what
should I look for besides 3rd gear synchronizer while I am in there?

Thanks for any advice you can give.

Larry

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:59:12 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: In need of Ford radio connectors

I'm moving a couple of late model Ford radios to non Ford vehicles. I
need the connectors that plug into the radios. Any one know where I can
get these or have some for sale?

Larry

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:09:04 -0700
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: cb

I think it's a case of available space in your rig...
I've got a full size radio in my 86 Bronco and a small one in the Missus'
87 Bronco II

Bob

At 10:29 PM 4/5/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I work in a car stereo shop, and we install a lot of Cobra CB's. I Like
>them, but those are the only we have dealt with.
>
>Joshua Dronkers
>Fairbanks Alaska
>fsjwd1 aurora.alaska.edu
>
>On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, Casey Vandor wrote:
>
>> I am going to be replacing my cb in the truck with a new one. I am
>> wondering what types you guys have used and liked, full size or mini.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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>
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:06:18 -0500
From: Vance
Subject: Re: In need of Ford radio connectors

Smeins, Larry wrote:
>
> I'm moving a couple of late model Ford radios to non Ford vehicles. I
> need the connectors that plug into the radios. Any one know where I can
> get these or have some for sale?
>
> Larry
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you might try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com
they sell just about anything you need for autosound. I know they have
connectors for new radios to Ford vehicles, not sure about the
application you are looking for. Radio shack even has some auto
connectors. Might be worth a look.

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:15:50 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: cb

Casey Vandor wrote:

> I am going to be replacing my cb in the truck with a new one. I am
> wondering what types you guys have used and liked, full size or mini.
>
There is a good deal on a Cobra remanufactured CB at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cobraelec.com/cb1.html. This is a radio with weatherband and a
new one is regularly $110 but these are only $30. I went ahead and ordered
one but it has not arrived yet so can not tell you my experience but it
might be something you are interested in.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:33:10 -0500
From: John Cassis
Subject: More alarm stuff

I just wanted to say I totaly agree with Vance. Sometimes you have to =
take a stance against these thugs. The consequences could be deadly for =
either party but if you just give in then these punks will do the same =
over and over. A few years ago a budy of mine had three punks try to =
car-jack him at trafic light. The one that walked up to the drivers door =
sure was surprised when my budy picked his 357 mag up off the seat and =
shot him in the leg. Now that my friends is justice. The only mistake my =
friend made was he shot a little low. He should have put all six rounds =
in the bastards chest. I said it before and I'm saying it again I =
would'nt think twice about the use of deadly force to protect my =
property. You cant try and stop or aprehend these guys they are armed =
and they would kill you given the chance so I am of the opinion to shoot =
fast, shoot acurate, and most of all shoot first. Remember dead men tell =
not tales. You have alot better chance telling the cops your side of the =
story without some wounded punk making up some B.S. how he was'nt trying =
to steal your property or he was treated injustly by you while he was =
robbing you. Its realy pathetic they have more rights then good tax =
paying, law abiding citizens do. Not to mention all these libral =
do-gooders trying to protect these poor misguided punks. Give me a =
break. If every one wore a side arm a punk would think twice about =
commiting a crime if he new chances are the victom of his crime was =
packing. Not intending a flame war here just stating (over kill, I know) =
my opinion.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
Texas is a State of Mind

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:35:24 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: O2 Sensor - What is it used for?

Chad Royse wrote:

> Most people recommend changing them around 60K. I've seen them go out
> before that, and I've seen them go much longer.
>
Does anyone want to volunteer to give intstructions on how to change out an
O2 sensor, especially the one on my '92 351W? :) How would one go about
locating and identifying it and how is it removed? This would be good
information to have on all the sensors on the Ford EFI engines that need
periodic replacement but it is probably too much work for one person to
cover all sensors for all types of engines.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:52:28 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Joshua W Dronkers
Subject: Re: In need of Ford radio connectors

You have to be carefull what type of ford radio you want to move, because
ford has started to employ factory amplifiers, and its immpossible to
apply just the radio to another vehicle. Besides the radio would not work,
because no internal power. Those head units relied on the factory amp to
power the speakers. I'll get some more info for you.

Joshua Dronkers
**************************
*'84 Bronco 351w *
*32" BFG's 3" body lift *
**************************
Fairbanks, Alaska
fsjwd1 aurora.alaska.edu or
fsjwd1 uaf.edu

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, Smeins, Larry wrote:

> I'm moving a couple of late model Ford radios to non Ford vehicles. I
> need the connectors that plug into the radios. Any one know where I can
> get these or have some for sale?
>
> Larry
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>

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:36:54 -0700
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: Skinny/fat

Ok guys,

I didn't mean to sound to narrow minded in my post... The thread
was about traction and fat tires, and a couple of broad statments were
made about fat bein better traction... In that pasture described, I'd
take fat anyday... Heck, I'd want em fatter than the truck :) I was just
trying to put in another point o view.

One reply said that on ice, any tire would slip... I still take
issue with that statment. Yep, anything slips on ice, but tires with
higher lbs/sq inch slip last. More pressure on the ice equals more
traction (given similar rubber compounds).

It really does depend on yer application, but these Colorado
snows require skinny to get down to the road underneath 'em (I know, I
know, a Splash with 44's would float like a bird over drifts that I'd get
stuck up to my doors in, but that same Splash wouldn't have a prayer of
plowin out the drift to get a car through there :)

Dave McDonald
'90 F250 4x4 351 5spd
Gibson cat back,
K&N, MSD 6A, Big ugly snowplow,
skinny tall tires :)

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:42:21 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....)

>it. It is statistically illsutrated that when states adopt "concealed
>carry permits" for weapons, violent crime drops dramatically. If you are
>able to arm yourself legally, then the odds are more even and you don't
>have to be gifted with brawn by God to have the right to defend
>yourself. Think about it.

Thank you, I agree. Back in the days when everybody carried unconcealed
weapons, people left their vehicles (horses, back then) "unlocked". When
caught, horse theives were hung. If today's truck/car hijackers were hung,
I'll bet theft will go down. And yes, I've heard a lot of stories how
legally armed citizens have greatly reduced crime. Bad guys are not going
to bother people if they may be armed.

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:03:07 -0500
From: "Arnold Gladwell"
Subject: Re: More alarm stuff

Bravo,,, bravo,,

Arnold
- -----Original Message-----
From: John Cassis
To: 'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'
Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 10:43 AM
Subject: More alarm stuff


I just wanted to say I totaly agree with Vance. Sometimes you have to take a
stance against these thugs. The consequences could be deadly for either
party but if you just give in then these punks will do the same over and
over. A few years ago a budy of mine had three punks try to car-jack him at
trafic light. The one that walked up to the drivers door sure was surprised
when my budy picked his 357 mag up off the seat and shot him in the leg. Now
that my friends is justice. The only mistake my friend made was he shot a
little low. He should have put all six rounds in the bastards chest. I said
it before and I'm saying it again I would'nt think twice about the use of
deadly force to protect my property. You cant try and stop or aprehend these
guys they are armed and they would kill you given the chance so I am of the
opinion to shoot fast, shoot acurate, and most of all shoot first. Remember
dead men tell not tales. You have alot better chance telling the cops your
side of the story without some wounded punk making up some B.S. how he
was'nt trying to steal your property or he was treated injustly by you while
he was robbing you. Its realy pathetic they have more rights then good tax
paying, law abiding citizens do. Not to mention all these libral do-gooders
trying to protect these poor misguided punks. Give me a break. If every one
wore a side arm a punk would think twice about commiting a crime if he new
chances are the victom of his crime was packing. Not intending a flame war
here just stating (over kill, I know) my opinion.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
Texas is a State of Mind




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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:05:04 -0500
From: "Arnold Gladwell"
Subject: Re: thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....)

Again, Bravo,, bravo..
Lets all go get some rope.

Arnold

- -----Original Message-----
From: Danny Gaudenti
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: thugs...was( Re: More Alarm Stuff....)


>>it. It is statistically illsutrated that when states adopt "concealed
>>carry permits" for weapons, violent crime drops dramatically. If you are
>>able to arm yourself legally, then the odds are more even and you don't
>>have to be gifted with brawn by God to have the right to defend
>>yourself. Think about it.
>
>Thank you, I agree. Back in the days when everybody carried unconcealed
>weapons, people left their vehicles (horses, back then) "unlocked". When
>caught, horse theives were hung. If today's truck/car hijackers were hung,
>I'll bet theft will go down. And yes, I've heard a lot of stories how
>legally armed citizens have greatly reduced crime. Bad guys are not going
>to bother people if they may be armed.
>
>+--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996 ----------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>| List removal instructions on the website. |
>+----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:54:52 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: Skinny/fat

Yes, my experience (in Colorado) has been that IN GENERAL skinny
and tall is the only way to go for snow, water, dirt, and soft mud. It
is
also better if the thread is deep and has large gaps so the snow, water,
etc. has a place to go. If it's looks you want, wide tires with this
feature
are acceptable. It's pounds per square inch, the less surface area you
have the more pressure per inch thus friction/traction through
deformation
of the rubber into the imperfections of the surface your driving on.
As far as I can tell neither thin nor fat tires do noticeably better on
thick
solid ice. Only chains or studs will bite through the ice much like
ice shoes.

There are very few times when fat tires work better, it depends on the
conditions, the tire brand, tread, and weight of the vehicle. For
example:
If I was traveling across deep sand I would select the widest tire I
could
possibly get with paddle type tread.

I also think that fat tires with deep tread and wide gaps would do
better
in deep thick mud, esp. if you have a heavy truck. Basically wider
is better if it is buoyancy you need. If it is bite you want then get
thin
tires to concentrate your weight on as sharp a point as physically
possible.

Scott


> -----Original Message-----
> From:David McDonald [SMTP:dxmcdon uswest.com]
> Sent:Monday, April 06, 1998 11:37 AM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject:Re: Skinny/fat
>
> Ok guys,
>
> I didn't mean to sound to narrow minded in my post... The thread
>
> was about traction and fat tires, and a couple of broad statments were
>
> made about fat bein better traction... In that pasture described, I'd
> take fat anyday... Heck, I'd want em fatter than the truck :) I was
> just
> trying to put in another point o view.
>
> One reply said that on ice, any tire would slip... I still take
> issue with that statment. Yep, anything slips on ice, but tires with
> higher lbs/sq inch slip last. More pressure on the ice equals more
> traction (given similar rubber compounds).
>
> It really does depend on yer application, but these Colorado
> snows require skinny to get down to the road underneath 'em (I know, I
>
> know, a Splash with 44's would float like a bird over drifts that I'd
> get
> stuck up to my doors in, but that same Splash wouldn't have a prayer
> of
> plowin out the drift to get a car through there :)
>
> Dave McDonald
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:48:48 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: More alarm stuff (off topic)

Here! Here!

If you take up a life of crime you face the consequences.

When I was a kid I remember visiting a town where everyone wore
a side arm, I think it was somewhere in Oregon, but what I remember
the most was that the crime rate = 0!

Think about it, would you rob a bank in a town like that, not me,
but then thieves are not too smart. In this town they be dead!

Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From:Arnold Gladwell [SMTP:gladwela vvm.com]
> Sent:Monday, April 06, 1998 1:03 PM
> To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject:Re: More alarm stuff
>
> Bravo,,, bravo,,
>
> Arnold
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Cassis
> To: 'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'
> Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 10:43 AM
> Subject: More alarm stuff
>
>
> I just wanted to say I totaly agree with Vance. Sometimes you have to
> take a
> stance against these thugs. The consequences could be deadly for
> either
> party but if you just give in then these punks will do the same over
> and
> over. A few years ago a budy of mine had three punks try to car-jack
> him at
> trafic light. The one that walked up to the drivers door sure was
> surprised
> when my budy picked his 357 mag up off the seat and shot him in the
> leg. Now
> that my friends is justice. The only mistake my friend made was he
> shot a
> little low. He should have put all six rounds in the bastards chest. I
> said
> it before and I'm saying it again I would'nt think twice about the use
> of
> deadly force to protect my property. You cant try and stop or aprehend
> these
> guys they are armed and they would kill you given the chance so I am
> of the
> opinion to shoot fast, shoot acurate, and most of all shoot first.
> Remember
> dead men tell not tales. You have alot better chance telling the cops
> your
> side of the story without some wounded punk making up some B.S. how he
> was'nt trying to steal your property or he was treated injustly by you
> while
> he was robbing you. Its realy pathetic they have more rights then good
> tax....


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