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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, January 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 011



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In this issue:

[none] [Derek Whiteside ]
Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10 [John Yee ]
RE: $3500 more for Diesel than v10 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY]
Re:If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J ]
Re[2]:Invoices [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? ["David J. Baldwin"
RE: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? [Randy Rees
Fords Computers. [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
Re: Invoices [Chad Royse ]
Rough riding truck? [John Cassis ]
RE: Rough riding truck? [Randy Rees ]
Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10 [Jim Lujan ]
Re: Ranger problems [Gardner ]
Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10 [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Re[2]: Invoices [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
Why so much? $3500 [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
Re: Why so much? $3500 [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Re: Why so much? $3500 ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: Why so much? $3500 [John Yee ]
99 transmission gear ratios vs. 97 [John Yee ]
Re: Rough ride ["Ryan Penner" ]
re: 99 transmission gear ratios vs. 97 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TE]
re: 99 trans. ratios-one last comment [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TEN]
re: 99 transmission gear ratios-6 speed [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J T]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #8 [hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielew]
Transmissions ["Roy Preston" ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? ["Evan & Teresa"
Re: Transmissions [Randy ]
Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? [Randy

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:43:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Derek Whiteside
Subject: [none]

daryl rue wrote:
> My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor
seal.
> Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5".
It seems
> like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is
still man
> operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a
fit? I

Daryl:

I happen to think that it's entirely possible. The first thing to do
would be test drive a similar truck and try putting it in the garage.
Measurements are fine, but whether it fits or not is the issue. Also,

1)Do you consider yourself to be an expert driver?
2)Will anyone else be parking the truck in the garage? Are they expert
drivers?

I personally don't think I'd be nervous about doing this. Seems quite
possible.

There are a number of "tools" available to make your parking perfect--
one is a mat that you put on the floor-- it has a bump in it, and when
your tire hits the bump, you stop. The disadvantage to this is that it
could move on the floor (pets? kids? broom?), and if you rely upon it,
you could get in trouble. the other option (that I happen to like) is
to hang a tennis ball, washer, anything from a string in such a way
that it is just barely touching your windshield when the truck is
correctly parked. This type of a setup is not likely to go out of
adjustment.

As another list member said, be sure to use your parking brake.

good luck,

Derek Whiteside
92 f150




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:42:37 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10

At 09:42 AM 1/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I think I have decided to get the V10. But I am opening it up for one last
>debate. The diesel is $3500 more than the V10. My reasons not to....
>

I've gone through many of the same thoughts...

When I was specing out a '99 truck, I was initially looking at the
v10 over the PSD. I will most likely go with the PSD.

Some of my additional considerations included:
- - how long I intend to keep the vehicle.
- - the ratio in which I intend to run loaded/unloaded.
- - what drive ratios were available in the 99's.
- - price difference between gas and diesel fuel.

- - my studies concluded that the payback for PSD over v10 was about
40,000 miles full time towing and about 100,000 miles unloaded.

Other factors to consider:

- - Spec out the largest trailer/camper/boat you intend to haul,
and build enough buffer into the truck to do so. (this includes
moving and stopping). While I've seen
some people over spec a truck, i've seen more complaints that folks
have underspec'd a truck and now wonder what they can do to "improve" the
truck to "haul/tow/brake" the higher loads.

- - diesel technology is "kind of cool".

- - Personally, advice from this list and the Power Stroke page,
i've changed my choices from a LD250->HD 250 to a
99 F350 w/ PSD. Hoping to order as soon as the invoice prices become
available (*and* for no more than $300.00 over invoice :-)).

- -john

>From an ecomomical view point check out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/mileage.htm

>From a PSD specific view point check out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

'99 Tow ratings:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/traileri.htm

99 review:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/99-F-Series/f-series.html


>1.) Initial Cash
>2.) V10 will pull camper just fine
>3.) Cannot find Diesel Gas Conveniently. (Pass 4 stations on the way to work,
>none of which have diesel).
>4.) Improved Gas mileage(over 460) as noted by ford for the v10.
>5.) If I at work for 16 hours in -30 temperature with the wind blowing, will it
>start?
>6.) Easier to find mechanic. Possibly less expensive parts.
>
>Reasons for
>Besides opposites of above
>1.) More power
>2.) Best Mileage
>3.) Better Resale(prob not $3000 more though)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Daryl
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>

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:42:23, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: $3500 more for Diesel than v10

Daryl,,

One question for ya:

How many miles do ya drive in a year? If you put on a lot a miles,
the diesel will pay off.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:44:44, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re:If it fits you must.... not aquit???

Daryl,

The only way to order a truck is through Ford's computers. We still
have order confirmation sheets. Dealers should be getting pricing
paperwork this week, but I am not sure when it hits the computer.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:01:23 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: Re[2]:Invoices

Well,

I just was told by a autobytel dealer hear in Omaha that he would order me a 99
for invoice. First he tried to get $200 over invoice, so I told him I would
have to ask another dealer if they would do it for invoice. He then agreed.

Is the pricing in the computers yet? For the 99's

Thanks,

Daryl

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:43:52 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

Randy Rees wrote:
>
> Besides why are there
> cupholders in my 40-20-40 seat if I wasn't meant to use them. Currently
> anything I put in there eventually jumps out.

Gee! No kidding? Is it really that bad? Now I only have a 150, but I
can't imagine a ride so harsh that cups would jump out of my
cupholders. Do you live in an area like Detroit where they bomb the
streets because it makes them smoother than they are with the
naturally-occuring potholes?

Maybe they bolted the suspension down for shipment or something.

- --

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:48:44 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

Yes, its that bad!!! I'm having it into the Dealer to look at on
Thursday. I also need to look at my tire pressure, but have been too
busy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:David J. Baldwin [SMTP:baldwin ti.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:44 AM
> To:fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject:Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?
>
> Randy Rees wrote:
> >
> > Besides why are there
> > cupholders in my 40-20-40 seat if I wasn't meant to use them.
> Currently
> > anything I put in there eventually jumps out.
>
> Gee! No kidding? Is it really that bad? Now I only have a 150, but I
> can't imagine a ride so harsh that cups would jump out of my
> cupholders. Do you live in an area like Detroit where they bomb the
> streets because it makes them smoother than they are with the
> naturally-occuring potholes?
>
> Maybe they bolted the suspension down for shipment or something.
>
> --
>
> Dave Baldwin
> Dallas, TX
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:46:04 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: Fords Computers.

How come it says on the 1998,1999 towing guide, available for order now. Is
that a misprint, because I have seen this flyer since early december.

Daryl

____________________Reply Separator____________________
Subject: Re:If it fits you must.... not aquit???
Author: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: 1/6/98 1:44 PM

Daryl,

The only way to order a truck is through Ford's computers. We still
have order confirmation sheets. Dealers should be getting pricing
paperwork this week, but I am not sure when it hits the computer.

Josh


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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:14:29 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Invoices

That is AWESOME! So are you going to order it?

daryl rue wrote:

> Well,
>
> I just was told by a autobytel dealer hear in Omaha that he would order me a 99
> for invoice. First he tried to get $200 over invoice, so I told him I would
> have to ask another dealer if they would do it for invoice. He then agreed.
>
> Is the pricing in the computers yet? For the 99's
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daryl
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- --
Chad

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:09:03 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Rough riding truck?

Not trying to be smart here but maybe you should slow down when riding =
over rough surfaces or bad roads. If your cups or drinks are flying or =
jumping out of the cup holders could be you are driving a little too =
fast.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:32:32 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: Rough riding truck?

I am talking about secondary roads and even some sections of the
freeway. I have driven a few other Ford HD's and this one is definitely
a harsher ride than the others.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:John Cassis [SMTP:cassis uei-houston.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, January 06, 1998 12:09 PM
> To:'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'
> Subject:Rough riding truck?
>
> Not trying to be smart here but maybe you should slow down when riding
> over rough surfaces or bad roads. If your cups or drinks are flying or
> jumping out of the cup holders could be you are driving a little too
> fast.
>
> John Cassis
> The Danger Ranger
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:03:13 -0700
From: Jim Lujan
Subject: Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10

While the upfront cost may be more expensive, have you amortized out
that higher cost over the life you plan to have the vehicle?

What about V10 mileage compared to the PSD? I don't know about the V10,
but you can expect 17-20 on the PSD depending on your rear axle gear
ratio and driving style.

Regular maintenance is slightly more expensive on the PSD compared to
the V10. 14 quarts versus 5 quarts.

I would think V10 parts would be harder to come by since it is a newer
product. The Navistar engine has been out for quite some time. All
that it is being added in the '99 models is an intercooler (which should
help mileage by about 10%).

Also, you on the '99's it is a newer engine with a V10 and a newer
tranny if you go automatic. I've always been one to let the first
year products go by and have the *kinks* get worked out.

$3500 may be more expensive up front, but if you keep the truck longer
term, it may save you money in the long term.

-Jim-

'97 F350 PS 4x4 CCab LB

>I think I have decided to get the V10. But I am opening it up for one last
>debate. The diesel is $3500 more than the V10. My reasons not to....
>
>1.) Initial Cash
>2.) V10 will pull camper just fine
>3.) Cannot find Diesel Gas Conveniently. (Pass 4 stations on the way to work,
>none of which have diesel).
>4.) Improved Gas mileage(over 460) as noted by ford for the v10.
>5.) If I at work for 16 hours in -30 temperature with the wind blowing, will it
>start?
>6.) Easier to find mechanic. Possibly less expensive parts.
>
>Reasons for
>Besides opposites of above
>1.) More power
>2.) Best Mileage
>3.) Better Resale(prob not $3000 more though)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Daryl
>

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:06:14 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Ranger problems

FastRngXLT wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-01-05 23:12:29 EST, you write:
>
>
> brakes
> cool down. I can go to stop and just apply a little pressure and they grab
> like I mashed the pedal to the floor. >>
>
> They must have upgraded th brakes since 94, You guys with the 94's are the
> only ones I have heard talk about brake or squeaking problems. My 96' 3.0
> brakes squeal a little after its been washed and direct presure had been
> sprayed on them or after a real good rain. As far as squeaks, I havent heard
> any... yet.
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There is a TSB listing for 94 ranger rake noise!

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:16:04 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: $3500 more for Diesel than v10

> Regular maintenance is slightly more expensive on the PSD compared to
> the V10. 14 quarts versus 5 quarts.

Not to put a bug in the ointment or anything, but is a 3X increase
really only "...slightly more expensive"?

> I would think V10 parts would be harder to come by since it is a newer
> product. The Navistar engine has been out for quite some time. All
> that it is being added in the '99 models is an intercooler (which should
> help mileage by about 10%).

One thought here: I've found that engine parts are cheaper going to
an International dealer instead of going to the Ford dealer. While
International won't touch you under warranty, once the warranty is
over, you're better off buying your parts from International. Case in
point: on a 1990 model Ford wants $65 for the water separator bowl -
International sells the identical part (same casting marks!) for $28.
Oil filters (Fleetguard) at International cost me $7; I don't know what
Ford wants, but I know it's more than that!

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:40:53 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: Re[2]: Invoices

Yes! I am going to order it, as soon as it can be ordered and I can get a order
confirmation number.

Thanks

Daryl
____________________Reply Separator____________________
Subject: Re: Invoices
Author: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: 1/6/98 3:14 PM

That is AWESOME! So are you going to order it?

daryl rue wrote:

> Well,
>
> I just was told by a autobytel dealer hear in Omaha that he would order me a
99
> for invoice. First he tried to get $200 over invoice, so I told him I would
> have to ask another dealer if they would do it for invoice. He then agreed.
>
> Is the pricing in the computers yet? For the 99's
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daryl
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- --
Chad

_________________________________________________________________

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computer/modem meet the definition of a telephone fax machine. Pursuant
to Sect.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited
advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual
monetary loss or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. Any
unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a fee
in the amount of $500US per occurance. E-mailing denotes acceptance of
these terms.
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|| |___/

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:01:04 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: Why so much? $3500

Another reason that is in my mind about the diesel is, how can something
cost that much more. If ford was building it, wouldn't it cost a few hundred
more, instead of a few thousand. Who is getting this extra money? Etc... I
cannot stand the thought of paying that much just because they do not have the
technology to build it themselves.

Daryl

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:21:32 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Why so much? $3500

> Another reason that is in my mind about the diesel is, how can
> something cost that much more. If ford was building it, wouldn't it
> cost a few hundred more, instead of a few thousand. Who is getting
> this extra money? Etc... I cannot stand the thought of paying that
> much just because they do not have the technology to build it themselves.

The engine is built by Navistar (International) and detuned to be
compatible with Ford's transmission/drive line. The stock engine,
from Navistar, is rated at 235 hp and 550 lb-ft of torque, without
the aftercooler. Ford's spec, with the aftercooler, is 235 hp and
500 lb-ft, because their transmission can't take the power.

Dodge doesn't build their diesel engine either; it's a Cummins. The
only one that's a house brand is Chevy/GM, and if you notice it's
the weakest of all the available light-duty diesels out there.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:38:45 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: Why so much? $3500

daryl rue wrote:
>
> I
> cannot stand the thought of paying that much just because they do not have the
> technology to build it themselves.

This is because the automakers have found that they cannot develop all
of the systems in-house that can compete head-on with systems outsourced
from suppliers on a development time, cost, and quality basis. ABS,
Engine control, and Audio systems are commonly outsourced these days. I
don't believe that Ford even has any more in-house ABS in development
anymore.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:05:43 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: Why so much? $3500

At 05:38 PM 1/6/98 -0600, you wrote:
>daryl rue wrote:
>>
>> I
>> cannot stand the thought of paying that much just because they do not
have the
>> technology to build it themselves.
>
>This is because the automakers have found that they cannot develop all
>of the systems in-house that can compete head-on with systems outsourced
>from suppliers on a development time, cost, and quality basis. ABS,
>Engine control, and Audio systems are commonly outsourced these days. I
>don't believe that Ford even has any more in-house ABS in development
>anymore.

I was looking for some information on the Johnson control site, one day
and was surprised at the amount of automotive components they make.
It would seem that the only differentiator to the top 3 US manufacturers
is how they design, package, and market their vehicles.

Sort of like Dell, Compaq, and Intel.

- -john

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:57:53 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: 99 transmission gear ratios vs. 97

Could someone with information on the 97 (or equivalent) transmissions
5 speed and E40D post the transmission gear ratio's?

I'd like to see how they compare with the 6-speed and 4R100
in the 1999 trucks. (Josh are you listening???).

Thanks,

- -john

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:33:20 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Rough ride

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Rough ride


>Ryan Penner wrote:
>>
>> >Why do people brag about buying a TRUCK, the complain that it rides
>> >like a TRUCK? If you want a soft ride, buy a car, or a boulevard
>> >cruiser like an F150, or a toy truck!
>> >
>
>>
>> I will have you know that my F-150 happens to have a "rough" ride. Mabey
not
>> as rough as my dad's 250 but never the less it does not feel like no
crown
>> vic!
>
>OOOOOOoooooooo! You're a big boy now!!! You have a rough riding
>150...wooooooowwww!
>I will have you know....I just couldn't resist....
>Later,
>-Randy-
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At least I am not driving what I thought I could afford a year ago. ('86
Mazda b2000 long bed) Now that was a CAR with a 8ft bed. I am just happy to
own a 150, even though it is only 2wd!

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:50:24, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 99 transmission gear ratios vs. 97

John,

Of course I am listening....I'd be glad to help you.

1997 E4OD:

1st = 2.71
2nd = 1.54
3rd = 1.00
4th OD = .71
Reverse = 2.18

1997 5 speed manual
Gas engine Diesel engine
1st = 5.72 1st = 5.08
2nd = 2.94 2nd = 2.59
3rd = 1.61 3rd = 1.53
4th = 1.00 4th = 1.00
5th OD= .76 5th OD = .77

1999 6 speed-diesel only
1st = 5.79
for some reason, I lost the info....I get back to ya tomorrow on the
6 speed ratios

5 speed-gas only
1st = 5.72
that is all I have for 1999 5 speed....I'd assume the same as 1997
gas engine....but then again, when I assume stuff, I make an ass out
of myself. :-)
I hope this helps.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:55:33, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 99 trans. ratios-one last comment

John,

Oh yeah....I don't have the automatic gear ratios yet, but I will ask
the Doc for ya.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:53:55, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 99 transmission gear ratios-6 speed

John,

I found it already! I'm just blind....couldn't find my notes. I
talked to a person in ford engineering, goes by Dr. Horace Power....
I'm serious, that is what we have to call him...anyway, and I got
some ratios for the 6 speed.

1st = 5.79
2nd = 3.30
3rd = 2.10
4th = 1.31
5th = 1.00
6th OD = 1.00
Reverse = 5.23

Josh

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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:55:03 -0500
From: hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #8

Daryl in Omaha,

When I had my house built I had the plans drawn up with an extended
garage. This allowed me room for my truck and for me to walk around it.
The house was built in '95 and I had a '94 F-150 regular cab long bed.
When I bought my '97 extended cab I had no other option but to get the
short bed to avoid the dilema you are facing. I'm glad I did because I
wouldn't want to deal with the longer turning radius. I would rather
have the interior space than the added bed space. Bottom line is you
have to do what you have to do. Good luck.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:13:46 -0500
From: "Roy Preston"
Subject: Transmissions

Anyone care to give some recommendations or comments on the reliability of
the C4 vs. C6 transmissions. I have located a rebuildable one of each type
for my 85 - F-150. Once installed the transmission will be bolted up to a
351-C.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:16 -0800
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

hang a tennis ball from the ceiling set it to touch the windshield were you
have to stop works very well
Evan
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lajone
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???


>In a message dated 98-01-05 17:16:58 EST, you write:
>
>>>My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor
seal.
>Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". . . . .
>Looking
>for some feedback to help me make my decision.
>
>I have a 95 PSD F-350 duallie, crew cab. It fits in my garage with a full
1
>inch to spare. After first couple of times, you'll get quite accomplished
at
>pulling it in straight! I put a couple pieces of cardboard up against the
>drywall, helps to cushion the bumper--somewhat.
>
>Larry
>
>
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>

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:18:41 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Transmissions

Roy Preston wrote:
>
> Anyone care to give some recommendations or comments on the reliability of
> the C4 vs. C6 transmissions. I have located a rebuildable one of each type
> for my 85 - F-150. Once installed the transmission will be bolted up to a
> 351-C.
>
Roy, both models have held up very nicely over the years. So I wouldn't
worry so much about the reliability than I would what you plan to do
w/the truck. Will the 351-C be modified in any way? Where did you get
the motor from? I seem to think that the bolt patterns for the
bellhousing are different from the 351C's to the 351W's. I could look
that up, but someone on the list will set that straight, I'm sure. If
you plan on HD use i.e: plowing/towing/heavy wheeling, then go w/th
C-6. I have that tranny on my '87 250HD 4x and it works great (it also
has the deep pan).

Take care,
Randy

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Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:28:10 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

Randy Rees wrote:
>
> No I bought a 250HD because you can't get a Powerstroke in a medium
> duty. Sure, find me a light-medium duty truck that will get the gas
> mileage of the Powerstroke during my daily commute and be able to pull a
> fifth wheel for my family on weekends? (not everybody can afford a
> leisure truck and a commuting car) What in the hell is so wrong about
> wanting a heavy duty truck that at least rides civilized. The over the
> road guys would never stand for a harsh ride in their big rigs, read a
> Peterbuilt advertisement someday and you'll find the words, "smooth
> comfortable ride" in there as a selling point. Shouldn't it be the
> American dream to have your cake and eat it too? Besides why are there
> cupholders in my 40-20-40 seat if I wasn't meant to use them. Currently
> anything I put in there eventually jumps out. Get real people...I'm not....


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