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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, March 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 094



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In this issue:

Off Road [John Cassis ]
1993 SB F-150 4x4 [John Cassis ]
RE: Off Road [CONWAY pjm.com]
re: fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net ["Doug Berry"
Re: Off Road [FSTFORDS ]
RE: Off Road ["Chapman, David P" ]
Re: Tire and wheel question for an F150 [Joe Maleski
Re: EEC-3 or 4 or just California Emissions? [Joe Maleski
re Ranger F-250 etc [Nathaniel Ingersoll ]
Off Road [John Cassis ]
Re: re Ranger F-250 etc [Joe Maleski ]
Re: re Ranger F-250 etc [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: Ranger F-250 ["Dave Resch" ]
Re: Ranger F-250 [ACMERCG ]
Re: Tire and wheel question for an F150 [four-by-four juno.com (Off Road)]
Re: Ranger F-250 [Steve Burnett ]
Re: Ranger F-250 [Bakend ]
Re: Explorer/Ranger F-250 [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
RE: Ranger F-250 ["Beaman, James" ]
Re: Ranger F-250 [Steve Burnett ]
Re: Ranger F-250 [Joe Maleski ]
Re: Tire and wheel question for an F150 [FSTFORDS ]
Re: Running rich/Rough idle [JSCF250 ]
F-250 Ranger ["Frank P. Martin, III" ]
ADMIN: Another milestone [Ken Payne ]

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:39:16 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Off Road

15x10 Wheels are perfect for 32x11.50's makes the tire look realy big =
because of the 10" wide rim. One of my friends had the same tire/wheel =
combo on his jeep, looked great.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:11:18 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: 1993 SB F-150 4x4

Eric,

New coils and camber bushings in the front to level it out. But if you =
dont want to do that how about trying some adjustable shocks. Rancho RS =
9000 series are fully adjustable. They are not cheap but you can set =
them from teeth jarring to smooth soft ride. This could be worth a try. =
That and as someone posted before me lower your air pressure in your =
tires. Hope this is of some help.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:38:18 -0500
From: CONWAY pjm.com
Subject: RE: Off Road

Many of the people on the offroad list suggest running 32x11.50's on 8
or 8.5 inch rims. The tire protects the wheels better with the narrower
wheels. In fact, a lot of people run 33x12.50-15's on 8 inch wheels.
I suggest checking some of the tire related websites to find the
tire/wheel width chart published by BFG to help you decide which
combination to go with.

Chuck Conway
'92 F250 4x4
'85 Jeep CJ-7

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Cassis [SMTP:cassis uei-houston.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 7:39 AM
> To: 'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'
> Subject: Off Road
>
> 15x10 Wheels are perfect for 32x11.50's makes the tire look realy big
> because of the 10" wide rim. One of my friends had the same tire/wheel
> combo on his jeep, looked great.
>
> John Cassis
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:53:06 -0500
From: "Doug Berry"
Subject: re: fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net

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I do not know what EEC module you have but I do question why you would =
want to put points in your truck? They are no where near as reliable as =
the electronic ignition that you currently have or could upgrade to. If =
you will take a look at the book "Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic =
Engine Control" by Robert Bently Publishers I think that you will see =
how you can modify and upgrade the system that you currently have =
without increasing the amount of maintenance or decreasing the =
reliability of your truck. This book will show you how all of the =
controls and modules work to gather and how just some oldfashioned hot =
rod techniques will still work all the while keeping your truck street =
legal and our air clean. This book I know is for 1988 and newer but it =
will still help you out greatly in understanding the EEC system from for =
and the MECS system from Mazda. If you are determined to replace the =
electronic ignition in your truck if would suggest the crane electronic =
system that you can program to perform exactly the way that you want it =
to.

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decreasing the reliability of your truck.  This book will show you =
how all=20
of the controls and modules work to gather and how just some =
oldfashioned hot=20
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legal and=20
our air clean.  This book I know is for 1988 and newer but it will =
still=20
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MECS=20
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ignition in your truck if would suggest the crane electronic system that =
you can=20
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:11:45 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: Off Road

10'' wheel is not proper for that size tire because it pulls the sidewall out
9'' is better choice and if u do any wheelin you'll probably pop a bead off
and be screwed in the middle nowhere

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:30:24 -0500
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: Off Road

Chuck - do you have the URLs for any of the tire related sites?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CONWAY pjm.com [SMTP:CONWAY pjm.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 9:38 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: RE: Off Road
>
> Many of the people on the offroad list suggest running 32x11.50's on 8
> or 8.5 inch rims. The tire protects the wheels better with the
> narrower
> wheels. In fact, a lot of people run 33x12.50-15's on 8 inch
> wheels.
> I suggest checking some of the tire related websites to find the
> tire/wheel width chart published by BFG to help you decide which
> combination to go with.
>
> Chuck Conway
> '92 F250 4x4
> '85 Jeep CJ-7
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Cassis [SMTP:cassis uei-houston.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 7:39 AM
> > To: 'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'
> > Subject: Off Road
> >
> > 15x10 Wheels are perfect for 32x11.50's makes the tire look realy
> big
> > because of the 10" wide rim. One of my friends had the same
> tire/wheel
> > combo on his jeep, looked great.
> >
> > John Cassis
> > 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
> > +--------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 - 1996
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:24:07 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: Tire and wheel question for an F150

>In a month, I'm gonna buy a stock '88 F150. I'm already looking at tires
>and so far I've come up with the B.F.G. Mud-terrain mounted on a
>modular-style wheel by Superior.
>The wheels I'm looking at are 15x10 and the Mud-terrains are 32/11.50R15.
>I want to buy big enough tires and wheels now so that when I get a 4"
>lift in about 8 months, the wheel and tires won't look puny. How do these
>specs on the tire/wheel combo sound? Will the wheel be too big for the
>tire?

If you are going with a 32" tire then use an 8" wheel. Use a 10" wheel for
33" tires. With a 4" lift, the 32" tires will look OK, 33" tires would
fill it out nicer. You can put 33" tires on an '88 F-150 with no lift, all
you have to do is move the front bumper out a couple of inches.

Joe

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Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:33:21 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: EEC-3 or 4 or just California Emissions?

>I am looking for a few answers to a few questions,
> first, I have a 1983 F-250 fwd, 351 motor, what kind of eec does it
>have?
> there is no provision to set the timing (distributor is bolted to
>block)
>, I have been told that this is an
>EEC-III system and I have also been told that it is a California
>Version of the
>EEC-IV , can anyone help?

If the truck takes regular gas then it is an EEC-III. If you remove the
computer and replace it all with a standard "points" style ignition, you
may have problems getting it past the inspection stage of the california
smog test - regardless of how clean the truck runs.

Joe

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Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:46:50 -0800
From: Nathaniel Ingersoll
Subject: re Ranger F-250 etc

You'll also note that the "Explorer" has also been around longer than
the SUV; I remember seeing a 6.9 diesel that had "Explorer" on it.

N

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:42:25 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Off Road

I have to disagree here. Not trying to start a flame war but just here =
me out for a sec. Earlier you mentioned putting 33's on an 8" wheel. =
Wrong move, it will work but the tire is egged out. You end up wearing =
the centers and you dont utilize the full advantage of the 12" wide =
tire. On a wider wheel the tread is spread out flatter and you get the =
full affect of the wider wheel and tire combo - you spread your vehicle =
weight out on a wider foot so to speak. This is much better off-road. =
Now the other thing I had was that because I've seen it done with no =
bead popping off. The jeap it was on did alot of off-roading and never =
had a problem. The 11" wide tire realy looked bigger, I thought they =
were 33x12's when I first saw it. But 32x11's will work fine on a 10" =
wheel. Now dont flame here as stated before this was just my opinion and =
I wanted to explain so you did'nt think I was out in left field.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:13:52 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: re Ranger F-250 etc

>You'll also note that the "Explorer" has also been around longer than
>the SUV; I remember seeing a 6.9 diesel that had "Explorer" on it.

Yes, those were trim packages. So in actuality, a "250 Ranger" would
really be an F-250 Ranger. The Ranger trim package was dropped and the XLT
trim package replaced it. The Explorer trim package was sort of a notch
between XL and XLT. It was offered on the full size as well as small size
trucks. In 1984 (mid year) you could actually order a "Ranger Explorer"!

Joe

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Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:57:37 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: re Ranger F-250 etc

Joe Maleski wrote:
The Ranger trim package was dropped and the XLT trim package replaced
it.

There was even a "Ranger XLT" package at one time. In fact, I remember
looking at a new Ranger XLT priced at $10,000 and stating that they did
not make a pickup truck worth $10,000.
Paul in Portland OR

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:03:06 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Ranger F-250

>From: Ken Payne
>Subject: Re: Ranger F-250
>
>> We all remember that pathetic salesman
>> and how he said he had a 250 Ranger.... =
>
>The Ranger has been around since the 60s as a **full** size
>truck. The F series had 3 trim levels:
>standard (bare bones)
>Custom Cab
>Ranger (highest trim level)
>
>Not until the early 80s did the Ranger become a small truck. So,
>no, it wasn't BS. You'll find a few full size Rangers on the
>web site.
Yo Casey, Ken, et al:

As far as I know, the Ranger nameplate was used on F-trucks from 1967 to
1981. In 1983, the smaller-size Ranger pickup appeared. Ranger may have
been a trim level prior to 1967, but I don't think the trucks actually
carried that name as a label then. The earliest Ranger labels I have seen
are on 1967s. The most recent Ranger full-size I have seen is a 1981.
(I'm thinking of buying a 1981 F350 Ranger 4x4.)

The snake oil salesman claimed to have a 1987 Ranger 250. To me, this
looked suspiciously like something that might be claimed by someone
unfamiliar w/ Ford trucks. On the other hand, it may have been an innocent
typo, perhaps he meant 1978, which would be a valid year for a Ranger F250.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:12:29 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: Ranger F-250

There were also Explorer Full sizes, correct? In the 70's?

Joe
acmercg aol.com
NIGHTMARE 85 SJ410 ( Sold on Friday)
87 JX SOFTOP
92 F-150 4x4 NITE
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/ACMERCG/index.html

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:19:18 -0800
From: four-by-four juno.com (Off Road)
Subject: Re: Tire and wheel question for an F150

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:56:40 EST FSTFORDS writes:
>what state do u live in?...why 32"s?

32"s will be a good size for it without a lift. Does anyone think I could
mount the 33's with the 10" wheel on the truck without scraping?


Zack Schneeberger

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:22:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Burnett
Subject: Re: Ranger F-250

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, ACMERCG wrote:
>
> There were also Explorer Full sizes, correct? In the 70's?

Appears that they used the name on full-size trucks up until at least '83.

I just saw an '83 F-250, diesel. It didn't have chrome "Explorer" badges,
but it did have large white Explorer sticker graphics on the sides of the
bed. Appeared to be factory installed.

____________________________________________________
| Steve M. Burnett sburn smbtech.com |

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:31:31 EST
From: Bakend
Subject: Re: Ranger F-250

In a message dated 98-03-12 17:27:19 EST, you write:

>
> I just saw an '83 F-250, diesel. It didn't have chrome "Explorer" badges,
> but it did have large white Explorer sticker graphics on the sides of the
> bed. Appeared to be factory installed.
>
> __________________________________________
I Think that the Explorer was just a trim package that had the big stripes
running the length of the truck. They were available in the 1 ton series
also
D Baken

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:37:30 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: Explorer/Ranger F-250

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:12:29 EST ACMERCG writes:
>There were also Explorer Full sizes, correct? In the 70's?
>
>Joe
>acmercg aol.com
>NIGHTMARE 85 SJ410 ( Sold on Friday)
> 87 JX SOFTOP
>92 F-150 4x4 NITE
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/ACMERCG/index.html
>
>+---------------
Yes, don't know any details about year models or anything but I do
remember seeing a hood ornament that said "Explorer" on a full size
truck. I also remember my dads 69? (please excuse the memory, or lack of)
full size Ranger that had a chromed glove box door. Funny what kids will
remember.
apologies if this is too off-subject, I'm not on the "older truck" list.

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:40:08 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Ranger F-250

Steve Burnett wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, ACMERCG wrote:
> >
> > There were also Explorer Full sizes, correct? In the 70's?
>
> Appears that they used the name on full-size trucks up until at least '83.
>
> I just saw an '83 F-250, diesel. It didn't have chrome "Explorer" badges,
> but it did have large white Explorer sticker graphics on the sides of the
> bed. Appeared to be factory installed.
>
My previous truck was an '85 F150 Supercab, XL with the Explorer chrome
badges at the rear of the truck just below the rim of the bed. I don't know
what options came with this package but I had the cloth captain's chairs on
this XL so that may have been part of it.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:42:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Burnett
Subject: Re: Ranger F-250

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Bakend wrote:

> I Think that the Explorer was just a trim package that had the big stripes
> running the length of the truck. They were available in the 1 ton series
> also

Yep, that sounds like what I saw.

Now, a friend of mine has an F-250, around a '68 or '67. It has the
Explorer chrome badges on it. The very best thing about it is the storage
compartments on the outside of the bed. Down low on the front. Nice
place to put chains, jacks and such. Too bad Ford never saw fit to put
those on the newer models.

____________________________________________________
| Steve M. Burnett sburn smbtech.com |

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:03:08 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: Ranger F-250

>Now, a friend of mine has an F-250, around a '68 or '67. It has the
>Explorer chrome badges on it. The very best thing about it is the storage
>compartments on the outside of the bed. Down low on the front. Nice
>place to put chains, jacks and such. Too bad Ford never saw fit to put
>those on the newer models.

I agree. I've been trying to find a body shop around here that would do it
to my '94 with no luck. It shouldn't be that hard...

Joe (mechanical work is fine with me but I don't touch the sheet metal)

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:24:24 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: Tire and wheel question for an F150

yes but a little trimming on plastic and corner of bumper is necessary...

mike
discount tire co. asst. mgr.

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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:31:57 EST
From: JSCF250
Subject: Re: Running rich/Rough idle

i did the fuel pressure regulator and it helped alot but when i start it it
still loads up on me, this truck is a curse, i have dumped everything into it.
and i still cant get a smooth idle . am i asking for too much?? no one can
help with this not even ford can fix it . i feel like driving it into the
bay. either i live with it or sell it. or maybe i should keep dumping money
into it ,lets see the only items left are the tps sensor, the egr, and idle....


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