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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, March 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 082



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In this issue:

FW: Leveling Coils [John Cassis ]
Pinging & engine temp. [Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com]
RE: Pinging & engine temp. ["Chapman, David P" ]
RE: Fuel line fittings ["Beaman, James" ]
More on coils!!! [John Cassis ]
Re: looking for a hood? [Robert Kennedy ]
Navistar Lifter Question [Sheldon Belinkoff ]
eec-iv chips ["bradley teich" ]
Mileage improvment report... [David McDonald ]
RE: Backfire Problem [tfmf211 murphyfarms.com]
RE:CARB ICING [tfmf211 murphyfarms.com]
Re: Mileage improvment report... [JSCF250 ]
F250HD [Jonathan Everly ]
RE: Mileage improvment report... ["Beaman, James" ]
Venting at Ford [ACMERCG ]
Gas [John Cassis ]
Re: Venting at Ford [JSCF250 ]
Re: Mileage improvment report... [David McDonald ]
RE: Venting at Ford [Nathan Sipes ]
Re: Venting at Ford [Joe Maleski ]
Re: Mileage improvment report... [David McDonald ]
wiring question? [Macormick ]
RE: Venting at Ford [Sean Winters ]
RE: Venting at Ford ["Rio, Tony" ]
Re: wiring question? [JSCF250 ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:54:39 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: FW: Leveling Coils

- ----------
From: John Cassis
Sent: Monday, March 02, 1998 4:04 PM
To: 'Ford Trucks 80 & Up'
Subject: Leveling Coils

Brice,

On my 93' heres what I did -=20
Superlift Softride - 2 1/2" Lift Coils
Superlift Camber Bushings (must do this to align the truck with the =
taller coils)
Rancho RS5000 Shocks (need at least 2 new shocks ie. the old ones will =
be to short)

The coils, camber bushings, and 2 shocks were about $220. I had them =
installed for $250 at Off-Road Unlimited in Houston (281-558-1600).

When I did mine I went with 4 new shocks and a steering stabalizer for =
another $70 installed - well worth the money. The shop I mentioned =
before basically will level Rangers out for $500 - the back shocks and =
the steering stabalizer were recomended but not necessary. I think I =
spent a total of about $600 going the route I went. If I new how I would =
send you a picture so you could get an idea of what it will look like. =
Anyway hope this is of some help if you have any more questions about =
this feel free to e-mail me personaly at:

cassis uei-houston. com


John Cassis
93' Ranger STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Pinging & engine temp.


A little correction for mine. I started running premium from the first
tank I put in the truck. I get the pinging when I go to the floor with
it towing when not using premium. So could be my computer is used to
thehigher octane and doesnt like it when I try to change.

John

The computer remembers the last 80 drive sessions. If you want to
change to lower octane and have the computer remember the new settings
you could probably run a tank of 87 through to get the octane stable.
On the second full tank remove power from the computer for at least 5
minutes to clear its memory. Any less than 5 minutes and the old
settings will remain. I did this by disconnecting the battery (of
course then I had to reset all my radio channels, sigh....). The
Chilton's manual I have recommends a mix of driving for the first
15-20 sessions, between highway and city. This will let it better
average all the sensor parameters. I would ensure that all the basics
are in order before starting this, like timing, plugs, wires, cap &
rotor, et al.

Couldn't hurt and may save you $.25 per gallon.


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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:48:59 -0500
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: Pinging & engine temp.

Hey - thanks to everyone for all the information on this topic. Over
the next week I'll be checking the various suggestions and I'll let
everyone know what happens.
Dave C.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com
> [SMTP:Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 9:19 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Pinging & engine temp.
>
>
> A little correction for mine. I started running premium from the
> first
> tank I put in the truck. I get the pinging when I go to the floor
> with
> it towing when not using premium. So could be my computer is used
> to
> thehigher octane and doesnt like it when I try to change.
>
> John
>
> The computer remembers the last 80 drive sessions. If you want
> to
> change to lower octane and have the computer remember the new
> settings
> you could probably run a tank of 87 through to get the octane
> stable.
> On the second full tank remove power from the computer for at
> least 5
> minutes to clear its memory. Any less than 5 minutes and the old
>
> settings will remain. I did this by disconnecting the battery (of
>
> course then I had to reset all my radio channels, sigh....). The
>
> Chilton's manual I have recommends a mix of driving for the first
>
> 15-20 sessions, between highway and city. This will let it
> better
> average all the sensor parameters. I would ensure that all the
> basics
> are in order before starting this, like timing, plugs, wires, cap
> &
> rotor, et al.
>
> Couldn't hurt and may save you $.25 per gallon.
>
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:14:51 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Fuel line fittings

Rob Sweed wrote in part:

> Let me throw my two cents into the gas mileage debate. I had a wrecker
> service using GM*'s with 454's and 350's. The lowest mileage I ever got
> was 7
> mpg. This new (to me) F-150 (I'll never own a Gen #al Mo&*rs product
> again,
> long story) just started getting 7-8 mpg.
>
no caps joe gave you some good advice on repacing the O2 sensor and giving
it a tuneup. I'd like to add one more possibility. The mileage on my '92
F250, 5.8EFI dropped to under 10 a few months ago and then eventually quit
running. The problem was finally traced to a failed fuel pressure
regulator. The regulator apparently had been going bad for awhile and was
accompanied by a bad smell from the converter. The engine began running so
rich that it flooded the catalytic converter with unburned fuel.
Fortunately the problem was identified before I spent $700 replacing the
converter I thought was bad. Your didn't mention if the check engine light
was coming on or not. I would be surprised if it was not. You might pull
the computer codes and see what they say. Post them to the group and maybe
we can help give you a diagnosis. Also, I think there is a gauge you can
buy to check the fuel pressure and compare it against the spec. Good luck.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:13:13 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: More on coils!!!

Bryce,

I forgot, as someone just stated get your headlights re-adjusted. I also =
went to 8" wide wheels and run 31"X10.5" BFG All terrains. I've got =
plenty of room to acomodate 32"X11.5", but I wanted the clearence =
between the wheel well and the tires. If you do any off-roading you know =
its kind of useless to stuff a tire in just because it fits and have no =
clearence for the tire to travel up and down. Anyway I hope this pointed =
you in a good direction.

John Cassis
93' Ranger STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 07:38:57 -0800
From: Robert Kennedy
Subject: Re: looking for a hood?

James Duff Enterprises in Sequim, Washnigton is a great source of
Ford/Bronco/Bronco II aftermarket accessories... hope this helps.

Bob


At 01:01 PM 3/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone know where i could get a performance hood for my 87 F-150,
>im looking for like a fiberglass cowl induction hood just for looks. So
>if anyone knows of any companies it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 08:38:59 -0800
From: Sheldon Belinkoff
Subject: Navistar Lifter Question

I understand that the 7.3 engine uses roller lifters. Is this correct?
- --
SCB
belinkoff earthlink.net

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:43:32 PST
From: "bradley teich"
Subject: eec-iv chips

is there a manufacturer that makes a 'drop in' chip for improving
the performance of my 94 bronco's 351? also, would a performance exhaust
system affect that addition?

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:24:29 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Mileage improvment report...

Hiya,

I recently added a Gibson cat back, MSD6a and a K&N filter
charger to my '90 F250 4x4 351 5spd. The MSD came with helically wound
spark plug wires, but the coil wire was to short when I took the first
mileage test, so the MSD was getting some interference and cutting the
truck off a 5100 RPM (higher than I normally go, but I was told by MSD
that the interference was across the RBM band, I just noticed it when it
stopped the engine :).

Ok, before I did any mods I drove from Evergreen to Pueblo (along
the front range in Colorado) and got 11 mpg about 70 MPH. Took the same
trip with the mods (and the wrong coil wire) and got 14 MPG.

I just had the truck up in Summit county yesterday, Drove from
Evergreen up I-70 thru the tunnel to Breckenridge, Dillon, Frisco, and
then back to Evergreen (day trip just to have some fun). It was all miles
on pavement, no snow busting (I'm not equipped for solo winter 4
wheelin). I got 10 MPG. I would have expected about 9 from past trips.

I looked in the Haynes Manual for my truck to see if I could
advance the timing, and I've got the type that not only doesn't require
timing, but CAN'T be adjusted. It's the ignition system that starts with
a 'T' but I don't recall their acronym for it.

Anyway, I got a 3 MPG (best case) improvment by spending $800, so
I figure It'll take 2400 highway miles to recoup the cost . That's not
bad, but from what the manufacturer's claimed and what Truck Performance
Center told me on the phone, I should be running closer to 18 MPG.

If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't spend the $. There's a
small seat of the pants improvment, and it makes more noise now. If I
used it more as a street truck than a 'Snowplow and hauling' truck I
prolly would, but for my uses, I think the negatives outweigh the
positives. I'll leave the stuff on there, cuz I can't return it now, but
I'm a bit disappointed by the whole package.

Just one man's opinion, don't get yer underoos in a knot if you
disagree.

Dave McDonald
'90 F250 4x4 351 5spd (The blue beast)
Gibson Cat Back
MSD 6A
K&N filter charger
Big ugly snowplow mount

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:25:46 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE: Backfire Problem

>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:40:43 EST
>From: WindWaiver
>Subject: backfire problem
>
>In a message dated 98-03-01 05:53:09 EST, you write:
>
>>
>I have an 85 f250 5.8L w/ auto trans that has a backfire problem, when i
>decelerate i get a fire out of the exhaust, small pop only when i run it=20
above
>about 1700 rpm, if i let off slowly it doesn't do it. About ready to take=
=20
it
>to the ford house and let them attempt the repair.

I had the same problem with my '68! I found that I had pinholes in my
exhaust manifold. My truck runs a little rich and when I rev'ed the engine
above a certain RPM my truck would cackle and backfire. The extra
fuel blowing out the exhaust port mixed with the air through the holes in
the manifold would ignite and cause the truck to back fire.
I've since put on headers and the problem is gone and the truck has
a nice backlog sound to it now when the motor decelerates. No more
cackling and backfiring. My fuel economy and power has increased
dramatically to since adding the headers.

Hope this helps!

-Ted=20

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:32:17 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: RE:CARB ICING

>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:53:39 -0700
>From: "Smeins, Larry"
>Subject: RE: CARB ICING
>
>Carb icing can be a real problem. I've experienced it most when temps
>were in the 30 to 40 degree range and humidity was high, like in a wet
>spring snow storm. You mention the 6 cylinder header so I assume you
>don't have the stock exhaust manifold. Make a sheet metal "stove" on
>the header near the head that funnels into a 2 to 3 inch tube. Get a
>closed air filter housing with a thermostatically controlled air snout
>with warm air inlet. You should be able to find one in a junk yard.
>Pipe the new stove to the warm air inlet of your new air filter housing.
>Either hook up the thermostatic control or block the flap closed when
>driving under icing conditions. When summer comes and icing isn't a
>problem put the open filter back on and enjoy the better breathing but
>in winter use the closed and heated filter. It will flow better than a
>big carb full of ice. BTDT.
>
>Larry

Ditto!

Some of the guys on the 61-79 list were having the same kinds of problems.
To my knowledge this was the only true fix to the problem.

-Ted=20

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:07:01 EST
From: JSCF250
Subject: Re: Mileage improvment report...

hey dave, you spent too much money on everything, i bet you ordered that
package that they advertise. i have a 89 f-250 with a 351w and a c-6. im
getting about 8 mpg city and 12 hwy. i just recently installed a cat back
system a flowmaster muffler and a 3" tailpipe for 130 bucks at my local
muffler shop. alot of the muffler shops carry performance mufflers and will do
the work cheaper that buying the advertised catbacks. i bought a k&n filter
(just installed today) for 38 bucks at autozone. i dont know how much you paid
for that msd but i hope it wasnt 4 or 500 bucks. anyway dont feel bad about
the investment you made to your truck, its a work truck and it will pay itself
off. i haul a trailer(i do swimming pool resurfacing) and i do hauling with
mine, and that truck can have anything it wants, why? because IT MAKES MONEY
FOR ME .

i have not found out how much my mpg improved but when i know i will post
it.hey try changing your 02 sensor, i know someone in the club that did that
and he
improved his mpg by 4 mpg. my total package with the catback, the 02 sensor,
and the k&n filter cost me about 210 bucks. but i dumped so much more into
that truck. to me its worth it. well good luck bud. and keep on truckin.

joe

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:14:40 +0000
From: Jonathan Everly
Subject: F250HD

Hello,

I have a 1987 F250hd with a 351w. I am looking to get as much torque
out of it as I can. The guy that had the truck befor me towed a race
car with it. He instaled a shift improver kit a high rpm carb and a
mild carb. The truck has all the horespower I could want but it is in a
high rpm range. The low end torque is a little laking. I was told that
the mild cam moved the torque up in the rpm range. I would like to get
some more torque to turn the 38 in tires i am putting on it with out
losing the horsepower that i already have. a gear reduction to match
the tires is also in the plans. Any thoughts on this would be greatly
apresiated.

Thanks

Jake

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 14:18:37 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Mileage improvment report...

David McDonald wrote in part:

> I recently added a Gibson cat back, MSD6a and a K&N filter
> charger to my '90 F250 4x4 351 5spd.
>
> Anyway, I got a 3 MPG (best case) improvment by spending $800, so
> I figure It'll take 2400 highway miles to recoup the cost .
>
I calculate the break even mileage to be about 37,319 miles using a price of
$1.10 per gallon. The formula I used is X/11 + $800/price of gas in dollars
= X/14 where X is the number of miles to break even. X will actually be a
negative number.

> If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't spend the $.
>
I just have to wonder how much improvement you would have seen if you had
just installed a new stock distributor and new stock plug wires. I am
assuming the 11 mpg you were getting before the MSD was with old, worn out
wires, etc. I am considering upgrading to an MSD distributor and wires and
would like to know what difference it would make over new stock components
but don't want to spend the time and money to buy, install and try out the
stock just to surplus them later. Since others on the net who have made the
upgrades are probably in the same boat I am, I don't think alot of the
comparison numbers posted are realistic since they compare new aftermarket
to old stock hardware. Unless of course they upgraded a new stock ignition
system which was installed shortly before they bought the vehicle. Has
anyone done this?

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:40:48 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Venting at Ford

I have a serious problem... I cannot neglect my truck. When something needs
to be fixed I fix it. When something is worn I replace it. I treat my
vehicles too good. My girlfriend says that I treat them better than her.
Shes probally right.
Latest is a leaking rear tank in the F-150. I removed it and brought it
to a repair guy to have it fixed. He calls me up today and tells me that it
will have to be replaced because the tank is filled with pinholes where the
straps are. Apparently the sealant that Ford used deteriates over time and
departs from the truck. What replaces it is water and eventually rots out the
bottom of the tank. So the new tank is gonna cost me $125. I'm pretty fed up
with this truck. It has given me nothing but problems since I got it. One of
the only good things that I can say is that it looks WAY better than any of my
friends trucks, including my buddy with the new Tahoe. This truck is my first
venture into Fords and probally be my last. The ad might look like this:
Just venting, no flames please.....

Joe
acmercg aol.com
92' F-150 XLT 4X4 NITE 5.0 AUTO
P/S P/B P/W P/L Cruise, Lumbar
Dynomax Cat Back, K&N Filtercharger
Tek Style bed cover, Lund Grille Screens
Hella 550's, Alarm, 63K, IMMAC

Any takers?

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:35:54 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Gas

Cant remember who gave the suggestion on disconnecting the battery then =
switching to regular unleaded, but thanks for the advice but I'd rather =
just run premium. No offence intended and dont flame me here, I just =
think its better gas.

John Cassis
93' Ranger STX 4x4
3.0 - stock
2 1/2" Lift (front end only)
8" Wheels & 31's
Raven Truck Top

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:08:16 EST
From: JSCF250
Subject: Re: Venting at Ford

HEY JOE DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I PUT IN TO MY 89 F-250, I OWNED IT ABOUT 6
MONTHS here we go: air pump, fan belt, clutch fan, water pump, hoses, heavy
duty thermostat, new radiator,distributor shaft sator, new cap, rotor, plugs,
wires, fuel & air filters, oil pan gasket, valve cover gaskets, & overhead
gasket, air by-pass valves, exhaust system, map sensor, 02 sensor, intake
manifold gaskets,
new coil, 4 shocks, tad solenoid, tab solenoid, and a few others that i cant
think of right now, thank god the c-6 was just rebuilt when i bought it also
the ac was retrofitted, and new front calipers , rotors and brakes. and that
is just mechanical, not to mention all the other dress up items i put in it.
but when i drive it i have peace of mind, i know what i have invested in that
truck, and how dependable it will be. sometimes you have to spend a little,
but if you say you have the baddest truck around,( and i had alot of vehicles
like that) than i think its worth the investment.
good luck buddy.

joe jscf250

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 14:51:00 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: Mileage improvment report...

JSCF250 wrote:
>
> hey dave, you spent too much money on everything, i bet you ordered that
> package that they advertise.

No, I don't think it was a package deal....
Gibson $269 (Mandrell bent 3", not as loud as Flowmaster)
K&N filter charger $163 (Not the drop in filter, it's the cone)
MSD 6a $249 (came with new Spark Plug wires)

$714 delivered, plus new plugs, dist. cap and rotor = about $800.
I called around Denver, and couldn't find any prices to beat those.

> it.hey try changing your 02 sensor, i know someone in the club that did that
> and he
> improved his mpg by 4 mpg.
Yep, gonna do that soon... hope it helps.

>
> joe


Dave McDonald

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:14:28 -0700
From: Nathan Sipes
Subject: RE: Venting at Ford

I have a 89 ford F-250 with a 460 and it has been the most trouble free
truck that I have had. The only real problem I ever had was that under
dealership warranty they rotated the tires and ran them down with an
impact gun so when I got a flat I had a bitch of a time getting them
off.
Nathan Sipes

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JSCF250 [SMTP:JSCF250 aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 2:08 PM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Venting at Ford
>
> HEY JOE DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I PUT IN TO MY 89 F-250, I OWNED IT
> ABOUT 6
> MONTHS here we go: air pump, fan belt, clutch fan, water pump, hoses,
> heavy
> duty thermostat, new radiator,distributor shaft sator, new cap, rotor,
> plugs,
> wires, fuel & air filters, oil pan gasket, valve cover gaskets, &
> overhead
> gasket, air by-pass valves, exhaust system, map sensor, 02 sensor,
> intake
> manifold gaskets,
> new coil, 4 shocks, tad solenoid, tab solenoid, and a few others that
> i cant
> think of right now, thank god the c-6 was just rebuilt when i bought
> it also
> the ac was retrofitted, and new front calipers , rotors and brakes.
> and that
> is just mechanical, not to mention all the other dress up items i put
> in it.
> but when i drive it i have peace of mind, i know what i have invested
> in that
> truck, and how dependable it will be. sometimes you have to spend a
> little,
> but if you say you have the baddest truck around,( and i had alot of
> vehicles
> like that) than i think its worth the investment.
> good luck buddy.
>
> joe jscf250
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:18:59 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: Venting at Ford

I don't know where you live but I have an OEM rear tank from a '94 F-250HD
sitting in my garage, unused. You can have it for free if you come and
pick it up. I live in San Jose, CA.

Quit your griping - at least you have a girlfriend! :)

Joe

>I have a serious problem... I cannot neglect my truck. When something needs
>to be fixed I fix it. When something is worn I replace it. I treat my
>vehicles too good. My girlfriend says that I treat them better than her.
>Shes probally right.
> Latest is a leaking rear tank in the F-150. I removed it and brought it
>to a repair guy to have it fixed. He calls me up today and tells me that it
>will have to be replaced because the tank is filled with pinholes where the
>straps are. Apparently the sealant that Ford used deteriates over time and
>departs from the truck. What replaces it is water and eventually rots out the
>bottom of the tank. So the new tank is gonna cost me $125. I'm pretty fed up

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:05:00 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: Mileage improvment report...

Beaman, James wrote:

> I calculate the break even mileage to be about 37,319 miles using a price of
> $1.10 per gallon. The formula I used is X/11 + $800/price of gas in dollars
> = X/14 where X is the number of miles to break even. X will actually be a
> negative number.
>

I'm gonna have to take another look at my calcs, I think yer right...
which is even worse news :(

> I just have to wonder how much improvement you would have seen if you had
> just installed a new stock distributor and new stock plug wires. I am
> assuming the 11 mpg you were getting before the MSD was with old, worn out
> wires, etc.
> James Beaman
> james.beaman lmco.com
> Houston, Texas
>

The 11 mpg was just after a tuneup of new plugs dist. cap and rotor, air
filter (stock) and fuel filter. I didn't replace the wires at that point
(although I prolly should have). The truck was at about 65K miles then,
75K now.

I suppose I should have made one mod at a time to see the difference on
each one individually, but I had the parts, I had the time, so they all
went on at once :)

Dave McDonald

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:52:27 EST
From: Macormick
Subject: wiring question?

I've got a 94 Ranger that I just put a moonvisor on and I need to find the
wire for the parking lights. I really don't want to take my dash apart to get
to a wire I'm not much of a mechanic. There are so many wires running around
in that thing it makes me sick trying to figure them out. Is there any place
on the net that has diagrams for it. I have it hooked into the instrument
panel fuse now but I don't like it because the visor can dim with the panel.

Matt

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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:01:18 -0600
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: Venting at Ford

Here here. I couldn't agree more. I paid $800 for my truck (82 stepside)
and have probably spent another $1200 getting it "like I want it". It
was barely roadworthy when I purchased it, but had a new motor. With
that as a foundation, I was able over the last year to have a fun hobby,
learn a great deal about things that interest me, and save the $17K that
I was ready to spend on a new truck (never mind the recurring insurance
costs associated with full coverage on a new vehicle). And it is merely
a paint job away from being complete!

Do I have a truck equal to the new one? Not even close. Does it do what
I need it to do and did I have a great time making that way? You betcha.
Can I get in it and not worry about breaking down? You bet. Do I have
more pride in my truck than a lot of people who own a newer truck?
MmmHmm.
Lets see. Back to that equal to a new one question...

Just my $.02

Sean Winters

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JSCF250 [SMTP:JSCF250 aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 3:08 PM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Venting at Ford
>
> HEY JOE DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I PUT IN TO MY 89 F-250, I OWNED IT
> ABOUT 6
> MONTHS here we go: air pump, fan belt, clutch fan, water pump, hoses,
> heavy
> duty thermostat, new radiator,distributor shaft sator, new cap, rotor,
> plugs,
> wires, fuel & air filters, oil pan gasket, valve cover gaskets, &
> overhead
> gasket, air by-pass valves, exhaust system, map sensor, 02 sensor,
> intake
> manifold gaskets,
> new coil, 4 shocks, tad solenoid, tab solenoid, and a few others that
> i cant
> think of right now, thank god the c-6 was just rebuilt when i bought
> it also
> the ac was retrofitted, and new front calipers , rotors and brakes.
> and that
> is just mechanical, not to mention all the other dress up items i put
> in it.
> but when i drive it i have peace of mind, i know what i have invested
> in that
> truck, and how dependable it will be. sometimes you have to spend a
> little,
> but if you say you have the baddest truck around,( and i had alot of
> vehicles
> like that) than i think its worth the investment.
> good luck buddy.
>
> joe jscf250
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:21:54 -0600
From: "Rio, Tony"
Subject: RE: Venting at Ford

Hey guys...

Let me just say every truck is different

I have an '94 F150 6cyl. with 83,000. So far i've put in a new u-joint
and a starter solenoid. That's the only stuff I've replaced with the
exception of 1 set of tires and other "consumables"

I have to say I've been very happy with all my Fords, trucks or
passenger vehicles. I've never owned anything else, and just went and
bought a new another since I was so happy with the past ones....

'80 Fairmont Futura Sedan (36k, replaced Radiator)
'94 F150 (83k, replaced u-joint & starter solenoid)
85 Crown Victoria (79k when sold in '94, replaced radiator and water
pump)
82 Crown Victoria (110k when sold in '90, replaced radiator, starter)
'89 Probe (55k when sold last week, replaced computer and elec. dash)
'95 Explorer Eddie Bauer (31k, rack-pinion replaced under warrenty)

Tony Rio
Allstate Enterprise Help Center
PRC Analyst \ Integration Owner
Trio1 Allstate.com
(W) 847.402.9386


> -----Original Message-----
> From: JSCF250 [SMTP:fordtrucks80up ListService.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 3:08 PM
> To: JSCF250 aol.com; fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Venting at Ford
>
> HEY JOE DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT I PUT IN TO MY 89 F-250, I OWNED IT
> ABOUT 6
> MONTHS here we go: air pump, fan belt, clutch fan, water pump, hoses,
> heavy
> duty thermostat, new radiator,distributor shaft sator, new cap, rotor,
> plugs,
> wires, fuel & air filters, oil pan gasket, valve cover gaskets, &
> overhead
> gasket, air by-pass valves, exhaust system, map sensor, 02 sensor,
> intake
> manifold gaskets,
> new coil, 4 shocks, tad solenoid, tab solenoid, and a few others that
> i cant
> think of right now, thank god the c-6 was just rebuilt when i bought
> it also
> the ac was retrofitted, and new front calipers , rotors and brakes.
> and that
> is just mechanical, not to mention all the other dress up items i put
> in it.
> but when i drive it i have peace of mind, i know what i have invested
> in that
....


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