fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, February 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 067



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In this issue:

Re: Bronco tire carrier [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: fuelpump doesnt shut-off [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: '95 F150 Exhaust System [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #65 [ILUVMYF250 aol.com]
Re: Turbo charged Ranger [BLURangr94 aol.com]
Re: 95 F-150 exhaust system [rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)]
Re. 1999 F-SD Prices [JDavis1277 aol.com]
Re: Bronco spare tire carrier [rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)]
4R70W Automatic Transmission [Jim Clementz ]
Re: noisy valves [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #66 ["Sven Setterdahl" ]
Recommend Wax [Was, Re: Parts / Car Wax] ["R. Carson"
Hand Support ["jlohse" ]
Ranger: Loose driver/passenger mirrors? [Jayme Uldarico Newell
Re: Gas Mileage [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: noisy valves [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission [JSC721 aol.com]
Ignition tester ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: Bronco spare tire carrier [Randy ]
Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission [Randy ]
exhaust and fuel reply [algrifam juno.com (Alan L Griffith)]
Re: '95 F150 Exhaust System [Randy ]
Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission [Randy ]
Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission [JSC721 aol.com]
Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission [Randy ]

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:43:18 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: Bronco tire carrier

try a local junkyard, i found one for my truck there for 65.00 good luck

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:54:22 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: fuelpump doesnt shut-off

i would try replacing the fuel pump relay which is located, in the engine
compartment
its the cheapest to start with, buy yourself a vacum gauge its only about 15
bucks and it tells you on the directions how to check your fuel pump pressure
and the condition of your engine,and alot of things.buy yourself a manual or
go to the library and borrow one. its an asset to have.i had the same thing
happen to me when i had a cadillac and it was the relay. good luck, and keep
me informed and let me know what happens.

joe

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:07:55 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: '95 F150 Exhaust System

i have an 89 f-250 351w and i want to do the same as you, these cat back
systems are so expensive, before you purchase one for 320.00 go to a muffler
shop that does this type of work(call around and get the best price ) like
dual exhaust, or a 3" single pipe catback, ask the shop alot of them know. i
think i might just go with dual exhaust, im going to find out about it today
sat. 2-21 so i will let you know what i found out, and if you find out
something give me an e-mail at jsc721 aol.com
good luck.

joe

p.s. i heard alot of guys saved money at the muffler shops vs the advertised
catback systems

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:32:29 EST
From: ILUVMYF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #65

Hello. Is there a way to receive individual postings from the list, rather
than the wntire digest? Please help me figure this out. Many thanks, David

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:38:48 EST
From: BLURangr94 aol.com
Subject: Re: Turbo charged Ranger

Thanks, Jeff. Yes it is a 2.3 liter. I'll take your word for it being easier
and concentrate on gettting one of those turbos you mentioned. Todd T.

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:43:15 -0800
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: Re: 95 F-150 exhaust system

Not long after buying my 94 Bronco I had a 3" cat-back aluminized
radiused system installed with a truck turbo muffler and stainless tip.I
didn't want a loud exhaust. The system as installed has a nice low
rumble to it,not at all obnoxious,and seemed to improve top end power on
the 351.This system was exactly what I wanted,and costed about $300 at
my friendly neighborhood overpriced 4Wd/off-road shop. Randy

















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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:45:31 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: Re. 1999 F-SD Prices

There is no reason to doubt a dealer like Jim Isbell Ford can sell at $99
below invoice and still make money. I speced out a 99 F-SD and the MSRP was
$32750. Deduct the $640 for destination charges leaves $32110. The 3%
holdback on $32110 is $963. So the dealer would get just under $1000 if he
sold the truck at dealer invoice ($28554). I always pay invoice, or no more
than $150 over invoice. Dealers can remain in business at those prices.
Furthermore, they don't need sales people to sell vehicles at invoice or less.
They just need order takers. Saves them a lot of overhead and grief for their
customers. I would suggest a visit to www.edmunds.com/ for really good advice
on how to buy a vehicle. It really works. There is no need to be a sucker
anymore to get what you want. Of course if you prearrange financing with your
credit union and sell your present vehicle yourself, you really eliminate the
chances of getting the shaft with your new vehicle purchase. Good luck.
Butch Davis-

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 06:54:56 -0800
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: Re: Bronco spare tire carrier

You might want to check with the people on the Big Bronco list for your
spare carrier.There was alot of discussion on this topic awhile back.The
problem (or main complaint) with them as I've noted is weight related.If
you are thinking of hanging some monster tire and wheel off of
them,cracks may tend to develop at the body sheet metal where the bolts
go through to the mounting plates.Alot of people are building their
own,so can do the add'l weight.Just curious: how much does a full
5gallon GI can of gas weigh? Randy 94 Bronco 85 F-250

















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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:54:43 -0500
From: Jim Clementz
Subject: 4R70W Automatic Transmission

I have been making preparations to tow a camper with my 98' F150 4.6l.
On reading the
owner's manual, I found out there are two different automatic
transmissions used in the 98
F150. In my case, I have the 4R70W but have not seen much informationn
on it - usually
just for the E40D. Is this a new transmission? Anything I need to
worry about with it? I
did put a transmission cooler on it since it doesn't have the towing
package. I will be towing
a 4,000lb trailer and maybe moving up to a 5,000lb camper next year.
Just have seen very
little information on the 4R70W.

Clem

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:55:16 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: noisy valves

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:29:25 -0500 William Woodie
writes:
>Sean Woodie wrote:
>
>i have an 87 f-150 300 I-6 4.9. under moderate aceleration you hear a
>clicking noise from under the hood.it sounds like the valves are
>causing the noise. do they need to be adjusted, replaced? the timing
gears
>have just recently been replaced. the engine has 130 thous.on it. any
ideas
>of what could be wrong, thanxs.
>+---------------
To me it sounds more like pre-ignition or "pinging" because it does this
under moderate load. Valve rattle usually occurs at startup before the
lifters get their oil supply. You might try running a tank (or half of a
tank) of premium fuel to help diagnose the pinging (or ratteling). The
fix would be A: run premium fuel, or B: retard the distributer a smidge.
The fuel injected engines are supposed to have a knock sensor that
retards the ignition when it senses pre-ignition, so this may apply to
you also. Another variable is the vacuum advance on the distributor may
be faulty or getting the wrong signal from the engine. Regardless, I
would fix it as this could cause a burned piston.

Brian Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:33:27 -0600
From: "Sven Setterdahl"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #66

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Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 5:24 AM
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #66



>Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:23:36 -0600
>From: David Anderson
>Subject: Gas Mileage
>
>My recently purchased F-150 seams to be getting about 13 MPG town and 16
>on the road. EPA lists 16/20 and in my past experience is usually
>conservative. It's an XLT 4x2, 4.9L six, E4OD, 8 ft bed, 2 tanks,
>standard cab with 90K miles in very good running condition. It does
>have 235 tires instead of 215's. I was expecting better out of the six.
>Anyone know what I should expect? - David
>
The fatter tires are probably contributing to the lower numbers. I'm not
sore if the epa estimates your quoting are for all 4.9L trucks or just auto
tranny trucks. If it includes all trucks, you will have lower than average
mileage due to the automatic. At 90k miles it probably wouldn't hurt to
replace all of the easy stuff (plugs, wires, points, rotor, etc.) This
might gain you a little in the mileage dept.

Sven
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>Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 01:15:27 -0500
>From: "Jeff Wey"
>Subject: Re turbocharged ranger...
>
>Are you trying to turbo a 2.3L ?? Go to a junkyard and get an SVO 2.3 turbo
>motor or a Mercur 2.3 or a turbo T-bird motor all are easier than adapting
>a Porsche turbo...You need to build and fabricate special exhaust manifold
>cooling and oil lines...computer?? wastegate valve???...will it effect EFI
>??? I put an SVO 2.3L from a Mustang in a 94 ranger it'll keep up with a
>strong 5.0 mustang!!!
>
Another source is the turbo coupe t-birds. They used the same set-up as the
SVO Mustangs.

Sven

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:36:09 -0500
From: "R. Carson"
Subject: Recommend Wax [Was, Re: Parts / Car Wax]

What types of cars waxes do others on the list recommend. I have a 98
Ranger, Stepside and want to keep it looking good and well protected. I am
currently using Nu-Finish which was recommend several years ago by
Consumer's Reports.

Thanks,

Ron

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:10:32 -0800
From: "jlohse"
Subject: Hand Support

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:39:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Jayme Uldarico Newell
Subject: Ranger: Loose driver/passenger mirrors?

Has anyone else with an '88 Ranger or any year for that matter had a
problem with loose rearview mirrors(passenger and driver side)? They are
the swivel type and will never stay in position...is this common on older
Rangers? Any ideas for quick fixes?

Thanks in advance!

Jayme

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:36:41 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas Mileage

hey man, i know how you feel with the gas mileage, i have an 89 f-250 with a
351w and no overdrive, i get about 8 city and 12 hwy, it sucks gas, but you
can give your truck a tune up, get yourself taller tires , not fatter the
taller the tire the further you will go with less spins, but if you go too
tall it might affect your speedometer, but you can change the sped cable gear
in the tranny ,another tip, also a dual or better exhaust will help out, and
a cheap idea is to get a flex fan, its lighter and will take alot of drag off
the engine, its about 23.00 at an auto parts store, you will need a spacer
(5.00) if you have a clutch on your fan , which is probably the case.keep your
tires inflated properly.well thats all i can think of at this time. but good
luck bud. we have to accept that we have heavy trucks and they burn the gas ,
but to me its worth it. also dont go by the factory specs of the mpg they
always boost it to make the sale more appetizing.
joe

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:43:19 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: noisy valves

hey bud, try an oil change and add a can of engine restore, this stuff is
amazing its in a sliver and blue can they sell it at walmart, they make it for
4 6 and 8 cylinder engines, i had a problem like yours and this is what fixed
it. its a cheap way to try before tearing the engine apart. it increases
compression and gives your engine back the power it had. good luck man, and
keep me advised, jsc721 aol.com

joe

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:58:47 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission

hey bud, i have not heard anything about the 4r70w , but the e4od is a piece
of crap transmission, i have a c-6 trans in my f-250 and i almost changed it
for the e4od, im glad i didnt, look up transmissions on the net or ford trans
you will see alot of pissed off fords owners with problems of the e4od. but
you might find out some info on your 4r70w trans, also it was a great idea to
add a tranny cooler you will extend the life of your transmission, i know from
experience, also they figure towing by the horsepower-to-weight ratio the
standard ratio is 35:1 , multiply your engines horsepower by 35, then subtract
the weight of the vehicle including passengers and luggage, the resulting
figure is the ideal trailer weight you can tow.also add a flex fan to your
engine, 23.00 at an auto parts store, you will need a spacer in place of the
clutch, 6.00, it will take drag off the engine and its better for towing,and
it cools the engine alot better at lower speeds, well i hope my info helped.
good luck.


joe


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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:13:33 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Ignition tester

Is there an Ignition tester for the EEC III in a 1983 351W? I have been
having problems lately and thought one of these might be worth the cost. (I
am referring to one those handheld type that you plug a contact into a
connector and one to the positive batt terminal I think). Also, what would
a ballpark figure for a new computer (stock replacement) for this engine be.
It is the microprocessor mounted under the drivers side of the bench seat.

Thanks
Casey

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:28:04 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Bronco spare tire carrier

Randall Goolsby wrote:
>
[snip]

Just curious: how much does a full
> 5gallon GI can of gas weigh? Randy 94 Bronco 85 F-250
>

hmmmm, trying to remember my ground school basics. If I remember
right, gasoline is in the 8 lbs/gallon range. Therefore 40 lbs for
the gas alone, but have no idea what the can itself weighs, but this
should give you some idea.
Randy

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:32:49 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
[snip]
flex fan to your engine, 23.00 at an auto parts store, you will need a
spacer in place of the
> clutch, 6.00, it will
[snip]
Am I seeing things or is this spacer getting more expensive.....

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 23:47:19 -0500
From: algrifam juno.com (Alan L Griffith)
Subject: exhaust and fuel reply

to; Scott re: F150 exhaust.

If it is air you want call Chip Dierbeck at Gibson 800-528-3044 he fitted
me up with a 3" MANDREL bent system sounds better than new and breathes
better than my Dyno(rustout)Max.


to; Tim with the non stop fuel pump

Check the relay, it's mounted on the firewall in the same bracket that
holds the factory test connector. It's a cheap fix, mine went at around
80,000 mi.

Alan

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:43:14 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: '95 F150 Exhaust System

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> i have an 89 f-250 351w and i want to do the same as you, these cat back
> systems are so expensive, before you purchase one for 320.00 go to a muffler
> shop that does this type of work(call around and get the best price ) like
> dual exhaust, or a 3" single pipe catback, ask the shop alot of them know. i
> think i might just go with dual exhaust, im going to find out about it today
> sat. 2-21 so i will let you know what i found out, and if you find out
> something give me an e-mail at jsc721 aol.com
> good luck.

Just a note here. I just got a quote for my '87 F-250 351W exhaust.
3" 304 stainless steel single exhuast mandrel bent from the headers
back over the axle for $450 at a semi-local shop (60 mins) ($625 for
dual 2.5 s/s). All s/s hardware too. I must say though, that since
my truck is a heavy duty it does NOT have a catalytic converter, so
anyone that has one would have to consider that when comparing
pricing. Dynomax does make high flow s/s converters for about $120.
Just thought I'd give you a gage to help out (I hope)
Randy

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:10:12 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission

what the hell is that supposed to mean? 6 bucks for the spacer, 23 bucks for
the fan,
maybe i wont give out anymore info anymore

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:23:03 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission

geez Jsc, take a joke. you simply stated 5 bucks for the spacer in
another reply and 6 bucks this time.....just making light of it,
that's all.......

JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> what the hell is that supposed to mean? 6 bucks for the spacer, 23 bucks for
> the fan,
> maybe i wont give out anymore info anymore
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:35:17 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: 4R70W Automatic Transmission

its cool man,i didnt know what you meant.i thought you were being a wise guy
like some idiots on here, well i went to one store and it was 5 bucks, a
couple of days ago, and then went to another and saw it for 6 bucks but you
just have to shop around. there is different prices in certain areas.i just
installed a flex fan on my f-250 and i can definately feel a difference, it
works great. i just have to figure out what to do with my exhaust, i dont want
to spend 600 bucks, but i dont know if they can put dual exhaust in my truck
with the twin tanks. or just go with the 3" catback system.
my buddy slams a steel pipe through his cat for better flow. oh well ill
catch you later dude.

jo....

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