fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, February 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 065



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In this issue:

Turbo before 95?? ["Smeins, Larry" ]
Cruise Control flooring it [Michael Wray ]
Re: 302 hp? [ACMERCG aol.com]
Re : JAcobs ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)" ]
RE: AllDAta ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)" ]
RE: 4.10 gears [Mike Marcum ]
ADMIN: Trim posts and use a topic [Ken Payne ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #64 [Ditzy aol.com]
87 351HO [Jonathan Everly ]
Re: Cruise Control flooring it ["curtis miller" ]
FW: TPS ["Posluszny, Walt (posl)" ]
88 4x4 lift ["curtis miller" ]
Re: 302 hp? [Lehmandp aol.com]
Re: 88 4x4 lift [JSC721 aol.com]
Parts / Car Wax [Peter Teipe ]

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:20:27 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: Turbo before 95??

The Powerstroke was introduced in 94 with manual transmission only. A
turboed 7.3 was used on automatics in 94. The turboed 7.3 was first
used in 93.

Larry

>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:46:24 -0800
>From: Tyler Abbott
>Subject: Turbo before 95??

>The Power Stroke was first introduced in 95, right? Ok was there a
turbo
>Diesel before that?
>Thanks
>- -Tyler-

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:46:01 -0800
From: Michael Wray
Subject: Cruise Control flooring it

I have an 86 F250HD with the 351. When I set the cruise control, it
floors it! now if I lived in Montana and was cruising down the
highway it would be great!, but when I have to keep it under 70, then
this does not seem to work out to well. :)

Any ideas what the cause is and how to fix it??

All help is appreciated. :)

Michael (hang on we are going to warp soon as I push this button) W.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:08:29 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: 302 hp?

In a message dated 98-02-19 01:19:43 EST, you write:


>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe

Hi Joe,

According to original 1992 Ford truck brochure:

'92 5.0L available in F-150, F-250, and Bronco:
185hp 3,800 rpm
270 lbs./ft. 2,400 rpm

From memory, the '92 Mustang 5.0L H.O. engine pulled 225hp and 300 lbs./ft.

The H.O. engines used Mass-Air (vs. Speed-Density), stainless headers (vs.
cast iron), sequential port injection (vs. bank-to-bank), and 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
firing order (vs. 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8).

-David :-)
>>
Thanks Dave,
let me pick your brain one more time guys....
Are the truck motors are also roller cam motors like the H.O.?
Are the power diffrences only in the exhaust, intake and ignition?
If I swap in the mustang intake,ignition, and headers will I at least Equal
the Stang's numbers? Or will I have to swap in the whole motor?
Will a Stang motor botl up to my AOD?
I would also imagine that the compression ratios are also diffrent, right?

Thanks again,

Joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:22:14 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: Re : JAcobs

My wires came pre-cut in 1986. Two wires went bad about 5 years ago or so
(engine ran fine but whenever I got a hand near one of those two I lite up
like a lightning bolt-not to mention the pain and numbness). Jacobs replaced
the whole set for free (again it was a custom fit set-no cutting) 6 years
after I bought them. Didn't even need the receipt, just had to send them the
old wires.

Some aftermarket places like 4WPW do sell them and they discount quite a
bit, but Jacobs is negotiable also I have found.

When I bought mine (1986) they weren't garanteeing a certain amount of
mileage increases such as your 2.4. They were just saying it WOULD increase
the mileage which it did but certainly not by 2.4 which would have been
almost 15-20 percent. Maybe their new electronics are better than the 1986
stuff that I have.(i hope so).

Walt


Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:56:31 -0800
From: Randy

Subject: Re: new installed jacobs ign

John,
Please do let me know. I am looking to put one in my '87 F-250
this spring. I know they guarantee 2.4 mpg increase for my 351W,
probably same for yours. Also, I called Jacobs directly and got a
price something like $329? This is going back a few months now so I
don't remember for sure. When I told them I saw it advertised by 4WPW
at $225, he said I could get it for that price and they would even
send the plug wires pre-cut. I guess normally you have to cut them to
length, but I understand they send you the device to do it.
Thanks in advance
Randy

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:32:45 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: RE: AllDAta

The CD Rom is certainly not as good as the official manuals, but it is a lot
cheaper. Some of the info is a scanned in image so the quality is not letter
perfect but it is not horrible either. Don't expect perfection for the
price but it is nice to be able to search for things, however I found it to
be a little slow moving around. It definitely was not designed with
efficient use of time in mind so you need to be patient, especially when
viewing TSB's. My truck had a lot of them..... Quality was definitely not
JOB 1 when they built my truck.

Walt

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:15:26 -0800
From: William Martin
Subject: Re: AllData CR Rom

How does the CD Rom compare to the "official" printed service manual? Is
it as complete, etc?

thanks,
Bill Martin

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:39:45 -0800
From: Mike Marcum
Subject: RE: 4.10 gears

Jake,

I haven't driven it on any long trips, so with just town driving, it is
around 7 or so. I just rebuilt the carb. so I'm hoping that will
improve it some. I know it can also benefit from a good tuneup.
However, my engine has a bottom-end knock in it, so I'm kinda hesitant
on dumping money in it for a tuneup, when it is on its last legs anyway.
I'm kinda leaning toward running it 'til it dies, then dealing with it.

With the 4:10's I seem to have good torque. However, without an
overdrive, it seems to rev pretty high on the freeway (I don't have a
tach, so I'm not exactly sure).

I am currently running 265x75x16 BFG Mud TAs.

- - Mike


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Everly [SMTP:jeverly mailbox.syr.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 11:09 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: 4.10 gears
>
> mike
> I have a 87 250hd with a 351HO and 4bbl. I have the 3.55 gears
> and feel
> like it needs a litle more nut. so i was thinking o fputting 4.10s.
> in.
> What is your milage? mine is about 8 with the 3.55. thanks.
> Jake Everly
>
> Mike Marcum wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > I had a 1990 F-250 with FI 302, and it exhibited similar
> characteristics
> > due to a partly clogged in-line fuel filter (located on the frame,
> near
> > the fuel tanks). It acted like a rev-limiter under load. For
> example,
> > driving down the road, in any gear, it would run fine up to 2500
> rpm,
> > then it would not rev any higher. Sitting idle, it would rev up
> just
> > fine past 2500rpm. I thought it was electrical, but low and behold,
> it
> > was a $5.00 filter causing the problem.
> >
> > I now have an '86 F-250 with a 351W 4bbl., and have not run into
> fuel
> > filter problems (yet :). Unfortunately, I have not climbed under
> the
> > rig to notice if it has a large in-line filter, similar to my '90.
> If
> > yours has one, it would be a good idea to replace it.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > ps. what is the gear ratio in your truck? How do you like the
> > performance of those gears? I have 4:10's and it responds well, but
> my
> > fuel mileage is terrible, I was thinking about changine to 3:55.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christopher Smith [SMTP:csmith60 expert.cc.purdue.edu]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:24 PM
> > > To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > > Cc: fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net
> > > Subject: Gas Starvation
> > >
> > > Hey yall. If you could help me out on this one it would be much
> > > appreciated. I have a 85 F250 4x4 with a 351 4bbl. This past
> week it
> > > started missing at high engine speeds, like when going 60 on the
> > > highway
> > > and when you give it the gas and open up the secondaries. I have
> > > checked
> > > all I know to and cannot find any reason it wont get fuel except
> the
> > > carb.
> > > I am almost positive it is missing from lack of gas cause it
> doesn't
> > > miss
> > > on just certain cylinders. It just falls flat on its face when it
> > > doesn't
> > > get gas. I checked the fuel filter going into the float bowl on
> the
> > > carburator, and even went so far as to put a knew fuel pump on
> it.
> > > Has
> > > anyone else experienced this and if you have any suggestions
> thanks in
> > > advance.
> > > Chris Smith
> > > Purdue University, IN
> > >
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:22:35 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Trim posts and use a topic

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:04:36 EST
From: Ditzy aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #64

I have a question to ask, I hope sombody can answer it for me. I seen the
different prices in Kellys Book for the 99 350. How come there is such a
breakdown of the diferent trucks, like x30 xlt then x31 ,x32 and so on instead
of doing it like years before starting with the basic model and adding the
different packages to it, then going to the lariet package? One more question
does anybody know where I can find information on the Centrioun
package?(different color schemes paint on the trucks to match the trailier
your pulling. ex fifth wheel.)

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:46:29 +0000
From: Jonathan Everly
Subject: 87 351HO

I am not sure if someone has already answered this question or not I
lost alot of messages for a while when my server was down. Dose anyone
know the HP ratings for a 87 351w high output in a F250HD? Thanks in
advance.

Jake Everly

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:01:11 -0600
From: "curtis miller"
Subject: Re: Cruise Control flooring it

Michael Wray wrote:

> I have an 86 F250HD with the 351. When I set the cruise control, it
> floors it! now if I lived in Montana and was cruising down the
> highway it would be great!, but when I have to keep it under 70, then
> this does not seem to work out to well. :)
>
> Any ideas what the cause is and how to fix it??
>
> All help is appreciated. :)
>
> Michael (hang on we are going to warp soon as I push this button) W.
>
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mike, cruse works on vacume so you might want to trace your lines. I have
a 88 ithas efi and had problems with it accerating out of control, and that
was the problem.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:21:35 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (posl)"
Subject: FW: TPS

Joe,

Thanks for the tip.

Walt

> >
> >hey walt,
> >it says in my book that there is 2 versions of the tps an ajustable and
> a
> >non-adjustable, the adjustable one has elongated mounting holes and the
> non-
> >adjustable has round mounting holes. the adjustment is to allow the
> rotary
> >sensor to turned slightly to adjust the output voltage.hey if its the
> >adjustable one see if you can mark the position on the throttle body to
> use
> >it
> >as a guide for the new one, use a crayon or
> >whiteout.it says to rotate it clockwise into position or you might get
> high
> >idle speeds with 5.0 or 5.8. you can do it man. good luck. if you dont
> have
> >a
> >book about the vehicle go to the library and borrow one.
> >
> >
> >joe
> >

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:11:50 -0600
From: "curtis miller"
Subject: 88 4x4 lift

I have a 88 f150 4x4 and I want to lift it about four inchs for cheap.
Anyone have any ideas what I need?

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:09:21 EST
From: Lehmandp aol.com
Subject: Re: 302 hp?

In a message dated 98-02-19 11:12:41 EST, you write:

> Thanks Dave,
> let me pick your brain one more time guys....
> Are the truck motors are also roller cam motors like the H.O.?
> Are the power diffrences only in the exhaust, intake and ignition?
> If I swap in the mustang intake,ignition, and headers will I at least Equal
> the Stang's numbers? Or will I have to swap in the whole motor?
> Will a Stang motor botl up to my AOD?
> I would also imagine that the compression ratios are also diffrent, right?
>

Yes, both motors (truck and H.O. 5.0L for '92) are roller cam. Yes, I believe
you're correct; differences are from exhaust, intake, ignition, and engine
control (Mass Air vs. Speed Density).

Six months ago, I bolted on Ford Motorsports GT-40 (Mustang Cobra) parts.
Aluminum heads, roller rockers, upper/lower intake manifolds, 65 mm throttle
body, 1 5/8" headers, and high-flow cat-back exhaust system. From my research
on this engine, lots of daring folks are building it up to about 500hp before
giving the bottom end much attention. I estimate I'm getting about 300hp with
this current setup. The truck now has acceptable performance. If I should
become dissatisfied (spoiled), there's always a pulley driven supercharger.
The new high flow intake and exhaust should make the supercharger right at
home.

After doing all this engine work, my E4OD started slipping and ended up
requiring an extensive rebuild. Your AOD can handle more power, but if it's
got some miles on it, be prepared for an over-haul.

Good luck!
- -David :-)

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:28:55 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: 88 4x4 lift

if you want to go cheap, then you better go with a jt body lift, i think its
about 3" but they may make a 4" lift, its about 70.00 for the kit. its alot
of work . if you do it yourself like i did, you better have a buddy or 2 to
help you, all you are doing is lifting the body off the chassis. which means
making the fuel tank neck longer, repositioning the radiator, taking out the
steering colum and repositioning it and the steering knuckle and repositioning
your front and maybe rear bumper, and any wiring that may be too short, i did
it in my 89 s-10 blazer (before i bought my ford) it was a new truck when i
did it, it was alot of work, but it came out nice. thats the cheapest way to
go. they give you alot of how to directions with the kit. the shop wanted to
charge me 500.00 to install it so i saved the money and did it myself. if you
have any questions give me a shout at jsc721 aol.com. good luck

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:15:55 -0800
From: Peter Teipe
Subject: Parts / Car Wax

Hello everyone...

Just wondering if anyone has a good source for aftermarket
sport truck parts for a 1991 Ranger XLT Super Cab.
Specifically, I'm looking for a good set of mirrors - anyone with
a 90-91 ranger knows those plastic things really suck, you barely
bump them, and they're all over the place. One other thing
I have noticed - if it gets windy, they're all over the place.....


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