fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, February 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 046



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In this issue:

Re: No start 302 EFI ["jccooper" ]
Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps [ACMERCG aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #41 [PSLDAVE aol.com]
3.0 Milage [John Cassis ]
Re: 3.0 Milage [David McDonald ]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [JBien45204 aol.com]
Re: No start 302 EFI [ACMERCG aol.com]
Re: FlagBaggin intake bolts and stuff [David McDonald
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [JBien45204 aol.com]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [Chad Royse ]
Re: No start 302 EFI ["jccooper" ]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [David McDonald ]
Re: 302 power [Randall Wer ]
we give good tow [John Yee ]
re: Ranger Prices [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [FastRngXLT aol.com]
'91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill. [FPonzani aol.com]
Re: 3.0 Gas Milage [Chad Royse ]
RE: brake cylinder [Mike Marcum ]

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:07:27 -0600
From: "jccooper"
Subject: Re: No start 302 EFI

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> From: ACMERCG aol.com
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: No start 302 EFI
> Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 2:38 PM
>
> There should be a schrader valve somewhere on the fuel rail. Hook up a
fuel
> pressure gauge to it to see if you have pressure to the injectors. The
> pressure should be steady.
>
> Joe

Joe,
Thanks for the response. I can not find the DLC or the STI in order to
keep the fuel pump going long enough. Would just cranking on the starter be
enough to build the required pressure?

Thanks again,

JC

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:01:51 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps

Chris Foye wrote:

> Hey Ford List people,
>
> This is not exactly pertinent but, I think I can offer some suggestions
> based on personal experience from swapping motors. About 10 years ago, I
> took a 79 Mustang and swapped in an 85 SVO motor/drivetrain and rear end.
> It took me about 3 months. I ran into more problems than I care to
> remember. First thing I did was to get the wiring manuals from Ford
> directly, they are quite detailed, I was able to interface the SVO
> computer into the 79 wiring. It takes a bit of work to decipher the
> diagrams but, it can be done. I ordered the service manuals along with the
> wiring diagrams, It ran me about $100 at the time.
> I suggest, you try and get the wiring harness off something similar or a
> junk vehicle, junk yard personal are pretty good at interexchange hardware
> references. The more hardware you have from the original vehicle the
> easier it's going to be.
>
> Chris

Chris,

I think this is VERY pertainent. You point out from experience the point that I
was trying to make. The Lightning/E4OD is quite likely to have very different
sensors, accesories, and wiring harness than is a 4X4 Bronco...from a different
year, no less. One might end up making wiring mods, software mods, or BOTH. I
would fully expect to spend at least 3 months figuring it out--quite possibly
longer.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:40:25 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: 92' Bronco Engine Swaps

Would it be diffrent if the 351 was going into another pickup, like a NITE?

Joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:45:07 EST
From: PSLDAVE aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #41

DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW WHERE I CAN SOURCE A GRAPHICS (DECAL ) PACKAGE FOR
MY F350 DUALLY CREWCAB. 1988 MODEL
ANY HELP MUCH APPRECIATED.

THANKS, DAVE

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:49:08 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: 3.0 Milage

Chad,

I'm with you here bud. All I asked was what was this product. Did not =
relize I was about to get the sales pitch/e-mail from hell. Gosh 21% =
increase in fuel economy - get real. And to think I've been wasting all =
of my money at the gas pumps when I could have purchased this new =
miracle product and saved all this time. I should have seen it coming.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:15:28 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: 3.0 Milage

John,

Should have seen it coming for sure :) 'specially since you know if
someone actually could invent something that increases mileage by 21%
it'd cost the equivalent of a 25% increase in gas prices :)

Dave McDonald
Opening the airways of his '90 F250HD 4x4 351 5sp to get better
mileage
(not to mention better sound wooohoooo!)

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:25:08 EST
From: JBien45204 aol.com
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

Chad, For the record, it is pitiful that
you are so selfish and lazy that you wouldn't take action of your own and
be responsible enough to do your part to reduce air pollution. Yet you
would be first in line to go and get the latest "beanie babies" for your
children. You also must have a problem with math since it costs you more
NOT to do your part, than to do it. Saving about $2 for every dollar
spent. Change is difficult for people who won't allow themselves to be
rocked out of their rut of comfortable numbness and routine. You stopped
painting your house with leaded paint right? You stopped burning leaded
regular gasoline right? Did you do it because you were forced or because
you felt the urgent need with your family before being forced? I guess you
would rather accept change by being forced to do it in a few years? Or you
are disappointed that a little guy like myself is telling you about this
instead of your Sunday paper? God Bless. You need it!

Jeff

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:30:54 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: No start 302 EFI

In a message dated 98-02-03 16:33:21 EST, you write:

>


what is DIC / STI ?

joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:06:18 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: FlagBaggin intake bolts and stuff

Steve Brown wrote:

>
>
> I will assume you have already removed the vacuum tree & throttle body.



I took a look at the vacuum tree (that's those annoying black metal
tubes that shoot over the intake manifold from one side to the other,
right?). I noticed that it's held together by what looks to be zip ties on
steroids, prolly some Ford factory quickie fastner to make assmebly
cheaper. Can I just snip a couple of those to remove the tree, and replace
em with hose clamps on re-assembly?

Throttle body no problem, I had it off before.... exploratory surgury :)

Dave McDonald
Shootin to get 20mpg outta a '90 F250HD 4x4 351 5 spd.
(without usin snake oil :)

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:25:19 EST
From: JBien45204 aol.com
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

David I will take your phone call or I will call you if you would like.
281-852-2650

Thanks Jeff

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:11:38 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

I must have gotten to you! :) "For the record", I made my point by displaying
your shortcomings and unrealistic claims. You, apparently use to lying,
attacked me by making wild claims (sound familiar?) about my personal life, of
which you have no knowledge. So please take your propaganda filled product and
your 21.8 MPG Chevy out of here. As a matter of fact you probably don't even
drive a Ford truck. Other wise you would've had the common sense to use it as
an example, rather than you piece of #$% Chevy. So IF you don't have a Ford
Truck, then you are exploiting the list for your personal gain and you have no
business on it. If you do have one, post the VIN.

Have a nice day,
Chad

JBien45204 aol.com wrote:

> Chad, For the record, it is pitiful that
> you are so selfish and lazy that you wouldn't take action of your own and
> be responsible enough to do your part to reduce air pollution. Yet you
> would be first in line to go and get the latest "beanie babies" for your
> children. You also must have a problem with math since it costs you more
> NOT to do your part, than to do it. Saving about $2 for every dollar
> spent. Change is difficult for people who won't allow themselves to be
> rocked out of their rut of comfortable numbness and routine. You stopped
> painting your house with leaded paint right? You stopped burning leaded
> regular gasoline right? Did you do it because you were forced or because
> you felt the urgent need with your family before being forced? I guess you
> would rather accept change by being forced to do it in a few years? Or you
> are disappointed that a little guy like myself is telling you about this
> instead of your Sunday paper? God Bless. You need it!
>
> Jeff
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
> +----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:30 -0600
From: "jccooper"
Subject: Re: No start 302 EFI

- ----------
> From: Floyd J Hagen
> To: fordtruck80up
> Subject: Re: No start 302 EFI
> Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 2:26 PM
>
> Can you pull the injectors off and hold them over
> some kind of receptacle?

I don't think so, not without a whole lot of trouble at least.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it!!!

JC down in Gnat Flats, Texas

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:49:36 -0800
From: David McDonald
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

Chad Royse wrote:


> your 21.8 MPG Chevy out of here. As a matter of fact you probably don't even
> drive a Ford truck. Other wise you would've had the common sense to use it as
> an example, rather than you piece of #$% Chevy. So IF you don't have a Ford
> Truck, then you are exploiting the list for your personal gain and you have no
> business on it. If you do have one, post the VIN.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Chad
>



Chad,

I was curious about this stuff, so I checked out the web sites (usin Infoseek).

He drives a GMC Sierra SLE 1500, and is one of the ecoclean MLM distributors.
I found no scientific data, only testimonials (many from distributors) and a bunch
of 'as high as' percentages. If this stuff becomes proven technology, I'll bite,
but
not yet :)

Dave McDonald

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:30:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Randall Wer
Subject: Re: 302 power

I own a 1990 F250 4x4 with a 302, 5-speed, and 3.55 rear end. It seems
powerful enough at low speeds, but long, steep grades kill it. I was
wondering what kind of options I would have for increasing the power. The
lower the cost, the better. Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:09:56 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: we give good tow

I thought you'd get a kick out of this.
As part of the 1999 Super Duty Kickoff at the Detroit show...

"Year of the door" link
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carpoint.msn.com/AutoShow98/Coverage/Day4?m=Ford~



Attention then turned to the new Super-Duty F-Series at center stage.
The giant video screen behind it showed the truck pulling a ship
(yes, you read that right) weighing 10,000 tons and ended with the tag line,
"think about that the next time you tow your bass boat."

- -john

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:08:10, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Ranger Prices

John,

My truck is a 4x2 regular cab shortbox with the 4.0L and 5 speed
manual. The XLT package is the "luxury" one with PW, PL, PM,
Cruise/tilt, and AC. I also ordered the premium AM/FM "dual media"
which gave me a CD player and tape deck. Neat little stereo. I
ordered a block heater, the 60/40 bench, 3.55 limited slip, and fog
lights, too. The only downgraded item was the wheels. I downgraded
to steel wheels because I have custom wheels to toss on there. Saved
a couple hundred bucks, too. One last hurrah was ordering 4 wheel
ABS, which was spendy. The sticker price was $17,300, but I got it
for cheaper cause I'm a Ford employee. I really LOVE this truck. It
is really fast and it handles great. I wish I could have gotten the
splash suspension with the styleside box but that wasn't available.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:10:23 EST
From: FastRngXLT aol.com
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

In a message dated 2/3/98 4:27:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
chadlyr ix.netcom.com writes:


we act
now?

Is anybody else with me that Jeff should not use the Ford Truck mailing list
to
promote his 'cure all' unrealistic products (AKA Spam)? >>

A free "revolutionary" no-spill cup holder!

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:25:10 EST
From: FPonzani aol.com
Subject: '91 Big Bronco - Takes forever to fill.

When putting gas in my '91 Bronco (351 motor) I have to fill the tank VERY
slowly or else the pump handle clicks off. This happens no matter what
filling station or pump I use, so I know its the truck. I can sometimes lock
the filler handle at it's lowest setting and get to 3/4 full, but then it is
stop and go. It's a really annoying problem that I'd like to fix. Especially
since it can take 15-20 minutes to fill the 34gallon fuel tank and it gets
really cold here in Cleveland! I'd appreciate any suggestions. (And BTW, I've
tried holding the handle in every position imaginable!)

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:16:05 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: 3.0 Gas Milage

I must have gotten to you! :) "For the record", I made my point by displaying
your shortcomings and unrealistic claims. You, apparently use to lying,
attacked me by making wild claims (sound familiar?) about my personal life, of
which you have no knowledge. So please take your propaganda filled product and

your 21.8 MPG Chevy out of here. As a matter of fact you probably don't even
drive a Ford truck. Other wise you would've had the common sense to use it as
an example, rather than you piece of #$% Chevy. So IF you don't have a Ford
Truck, then you are exploiting the list for your personal gain and you have no
business on it. If you do have one, post the VIN.

Have a nice day,
Chad

JBien45204 aol.com wrote:

> Chad, For the record, it is pitiful that
> you are so selfish and lazy that you wouldn't take action of your own and
> be responsible enough to do your part to reduce air pollution. Yet you
> would be first in line to go and get the latest "beanie babies" for your
> children. You also must have a problem with math since it costs you more
> NOT to do your part, than to do it. Saving about $2 for every dollar
> spent. Change is difficult for people who won't allow themselves to be
> rocked out of their rut of comfortable numbness and routine. You stopped
> painting your house with leaded paint right? You stopped burning leaded
> regular gasoline right? Did you do it because you were forced or because
> you felt the urgent need with your family before being forced? I guess you
> would rather accept change by being forced to do it in a few years? Or you
> are disappointed that a little guy like myself is telling you about this
> instead of your Sunday paper? God Bless. You need it!
>
> Jeff
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
> +----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:19:41 -0800
From: Mike Marcum
Subject: RE: brake cylinder

Chris/Randy,

My '86 F-250 HD 4x4 10.25" rear end did not have any C-clips, so
removing the axle shaft was very straight forward (just the 8 bolts on
the outside of the hub, and slide it out....there is a little tension
due to an O-ring seal, but that's it). I was amazed at how easy it was
to remove the axle shaft.....I really like these full-floating axles.
Once the axle shaft is out, the brake drum should come off with little
trouble (especially since it is all lubed up due to the leak :)

- - Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy [SMTP:runawaykid ncweb.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:19 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: brake cylinder
>
> chris, first 1 of my keys is broke so I'll replace it with * for *ow
> if that truck is a heavy duty model you will have to pull out the
> axleshafts to be able to remove the drum. You will k*ow because the
> axle will stick way out o* the outside of the wheel, this is the
> 'full-floati*g' rear e*d. You will have to remove the 8(?) bolts from
> the e*d of the axleshafts a*d pull them out, although I ca*'t remember
> if it has 'C'-clips or *ot (somebody here will), cuz if so you will
> have to remove the diff cover to get to the clips. I had the seals
> leak o* mi*e so it sou*ds like a commo* problem.
> later (this sucks typi*g w/o the * key)
> Ra*dy
>
>
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > I have an 85 F250 4x4. It has recently started leaking brake fluid
> from
> > somewhere in the rear drivers side. You can see where it has been
> leaking
> > out from inside the drum. Call me stupid but i have never had a
> break
> > cylinder apart. Any suggestions on where the fluid is leaking from.
> Just
> > thought i would check before tearing into it. Also lately when i
> apply
> > the brakes the rearend hops up and down a little. Is theis caused
> by the
> > break fluid on the drum and shoes. Any comments would be greatly
> > appreciated. Thanks.
> > Chris Smith
> > West Lafayette, IN
> >
> > +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer
> --------------+
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