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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 030



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In this issue:

98' Ranger [John Cassis ]
F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke ["F. R. \"Rusty\" Ames" ]
Looking for Security System [David Chapman ]
1999 F Super Duty Prices MSRP & Invoice [JDavis1277 ]
Re: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Black box q's [John Cassis ]
4x4 Hubs: Manuals & Autos [Jim Lujan ]
Re: 84' Bronco II Conversion [ACMERCG ]
Re: More Ford electrical problems (starting system problems) [ACMERCG
Black Box Question - Reply [Midwest96 ]
Dimmer Switch Questions - Reply [Midwest96 ]
toyota truck list?? [keb HQ.ileaf.com (Kristin Brown)]
Re: F150 popping/creaking revisited ... I fixed mine! ["David J. Baldwin"]
Re: Looking for Security System [William Smith ]
RE: Looking for Security System ["Chapman, David P"
re: 98' Ranger [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 84' Bronco II Conversion [Gardner ]
Re Looking for security ["Jeff Wey" ]
Re: toyota truck list?? [Randy ]
Who cares about toys? [John Cassis ]
Re: underhood light [wildcajun ]
Re: More Ford electrical problems (starting system problems) [Thomas Fric]
Re: Looking for Security System [Thomas Fric ]
Re: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke [Thomas Fric ]
Toyota list. [Ken Payne ]
radio buzzing ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: F350 front suspension sag? [Lt 4x4 ]
Re: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke [Lt 4x4 ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #29 ["Randy Kindler" ]
Re: Looking for Security System [Midwest96 ]
Re: radio buzzing [Midwest96 ]

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:17:38 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: 98' Ranger

I like them, sounds like yours must fly Josh. Whats the base color on the truck?

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:49:24 -0600
From: "F. R. \"Rusty\" Ames"
Subject: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke

Is there a recommendation on oil type for 7.3L Pwr Stroke. I have
usually used Quaker State in other vehicles, but dont know if this is
what I should use in my new F-250HD. Thanks

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:37:14 -0500
From: David Chapman
Subject: Looking for Security System

I want to install an aftermarket alarm/remote keyless entry system on my

95 Bronco. Has anyone installed one or have information on which ones
work well or don't work well. I've gathered lots of info from the Web,
but it's the usual marketing stuff.

Dave C.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:05:30 EST
From: JDavis1277
Subject: 1999 F Super Duty Prices MSRP & Invoice

OK boys and girls. The prices are now finally on the net. Go to Auto By Tel
(www.autobytel.com) and click on new car & truck prices. Look for the PACE
logo on the bottom right side of the prices page. Click on the NEW link below
the PACE logo. Then go to FORD, to F-SERIES, and then to 1999. This list
seems to have everything. Hope you enjoy, I sure have. Meanwhile we all owe
many thanks to Mr. Josh Tenny. Adios, Butch Davis-

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:26:36 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke

> Is there a recommendation on oil type for 7.3L Pwr Stroke. I have
> usually used Quaker State in other vehicles, but dont know if this is
> what I should use in my new F-250HD. Thanks

Some good oils for the PS engine include Chevrom Delo and Shell
Rotella. I buy Chevron Delo from my local International dealer
and that's what they use, so I figure it's a good choice. A
five gallon bucket runs about $28.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:49:51 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Black box q's

I'm guessing your friends ranger is 4x4. I think the box behind the seat =
is the computer or processor....something like that, for the 4x4 system. =
It hooks up betwwen the switch in the dash and the unit bolted onto the =
transfer case. At least thats the way I was told it worked on my 93'. =
Somebody else might be able to give you a little bit better explanation =
than I did, but that is how I think it works. Anyway hope this helps.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:32:43 -0700
From: Jim Lujan
Subject: 4x4 Hubs: Manuals & Autos

When I bought my '97 F-350 4x4, it had everything I wanted *except* for
the auto-locking hubs. I really would like manuals. From everything
that I have seen on the net and heard from other PSD owners, the autos
just don't hold up to the torque the PowerStroke puts out.

So, I want to switch them out for manuals. Unfortunately, I have heard
that doing so WILL VOID the warranty.

What's the scoop? Will it really void the warranty on the drivetrain?

-Jim-

'97 F350 PS 4x4 CCab LB

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:36:41 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: 84' Bronco II Conversion

Its got IFS and I believe a Dana 35. I would stick to the 302 for ease of
installation. I was wondering if anyone knew of any conversions in kit form?

thanks,

Joe
acmercg aol.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:12:21 EST
From: ACMERCG
Subject: Re: More Ford electrical problems (starting system problems)

Pete wants to make sure you have a proper ground when you changed the
relay. All your connections are tight as well right? Battery fully charged?
What sounds does it make?


joe

acmercg aol.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:21:02 EST
From: Midwest96
Subject: Black Box Question - Reply

If the black box is not the transfer case (which was located behind the
driver's seat to my knowledge), all "black boxes" I have seen behind passanger
seats in Ford Rangers are the amplifiers for the premium sound package.

Craig

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:22:26 EST
From: Midwest96
Subject: Dimmer Switch Questions - Reply

The dimmer switch wiring is just that. When you dim your lights, stock radio
displays dim with the cabin lights. Most (high end) aftermarkets don't, mine
doesn't, so installing this is just a creature comfort, not a necessity.
Later,

Criag

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 13:30:43 EST
From: keb HQ.ileaf.com (Kristin Brown)
Subject: toyota truck list??

hi all,
sorry for the non-Ford content but i dont know where else to ask..
does anyone know of a toyota truck list anywhere? A friend of mine ended
up with a power rear window for a std cab toyota pickup and i said i would
try to find a place to post it for sale.
Thanks for any help!!
keb

'95 Bronco XLT

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:08:21 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: F150 popping/creaking revisited ... I fixed mine!

Grady Byram wrote:
>
> Some time back some of us were talking about a popping/creaking noise
> coming from under our F150s during low speed parking lot type
> manuevers. .....
> Hope this helps someone!
>
> Grady
> Austin, TX

Grady,

Well, it has! I didn't have the time to remove the bolts and really
clean it up good, so all I did was squirt a little motor oil on the
junction between the crossmember and the frame. After 3 days, the oil
has penetrated, and the creaking is a thing of the past.

The popping doesn't happen very often, and I can live with it. I
couldn't handle the creaky-creaky thing: sounded like the truck was
falling apart.

Thanks for the input. You really helped.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX 75243
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:40:12 -0500 (EST)
From: William Smith
Subject: Re: Looking for Security System

I have never personnally installed one but alot of my friends have Viper
alarms on their vehicles. They are clearly superior to the other makes I
have seen installed. One of my friends had one put on a Navajo and it has
about a 100 yard range if you are out in the open. It cost about 300
dollars. Just thought you might value an opinion.


Will Smith
willdogg email.unc.edu

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, David Chapman wrote:

> I want to install an aftermarket alarm/remote keyless entry system on my
>
> 95 Bronco. Has anyone installed one or have information on which ones
> work well or don't work well. I've gathered lots of info from the Web,
> but it's the usual marketing stuff.
>
> Dave C.
>
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>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:54:35 -0500
From: "Chapman, David P"
Subject: RE: Looking for Security System

Every opinion helps. I appreciate the input Will.

> ----------
> From: William Smith[SMTP:willdogg email.unc.edu]
> Reply To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 2:40 PM
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: Re: Looking for Security System
>
> I have never personnally installed one but alot of my friends have
> Viper
> alarms on their vehicles. They are clearly superior to the other
> makes I
> have seen installed. One of my friends had one put on a Navajo and it
> has
> about a 100 yard range if you are out in the open. It cost about 300
> dollars. Just thought you might value an opinion.
>
>
> Will Smith
> willdogg email.unc.edu
>
> On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, David Chapman wrote:
>
> > I want to install an aftermarket alarm/remote keyless entry system
> on my
> >
> > 95 Bronco. Has anyone installed one or have information on which
> ones
> > work well or don't work well. I've gathered lots of info from the
> Web,
> > but it's the usual marketing stuff.
> >
> > Dave C.
> >
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> >
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:02:06, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 98' Ranger

John,

My '98 is black, and it really does fly. I am adding some performance
parts to it as we speak. I will let the group know of the results.
Josh

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:14:17 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: 84' Bronco II Conversion

ACMERCG wrote:
>
> Its got IFS and I believe a Dana 35. I would stick to the 302 for ease of
> installation. I was wondering if anyone knew of any conversions in kit form?
>
> thanks,
>
> Joe
> acmercg aol.com
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Look up advanced adapters...they have a free catalog, I don't have thier
number handy but look it up in the interents yellow pages. They are
located in Ohio(I think)

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:04:06 -0500
From: "Jeff Wey"
Subject: Re Looking for security

I've had numerous security systems and the following seem to me to be the
best ALPINE,CLIFFORD,and VIPER. Try shopping and see what features you like
best.I would also highly suggest having this professionally installed.The
wiring is very hard if you don't have schematics. Also the pro's can help
"customize" your alarm system to do what you want. Just my opinion. Jeff

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:48:38 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: toyota truck list??

KB, I don't know of any Toy lists, but you can try Classifieds2000 to place
that ad. I think that's the URL too.
Later,
Randy


Kristin Brown wrote:

> hi all,
> sorry for the non-Ford content but i dont know where else to ask..
> does anyone know of a toyota truck list anywhere? A friend of mine ended
> up with a power rear window for a std cab toyota pickup and i said i would
> try to find a place to post it for sale.
> Thanks for any help!!
> keb
>
> '95 Bronco XLT
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:36:05 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Who cares about toys?

What the FU%$ is this guys problem. First off you jerk Toys dont even =
have 1/16" of metal. Second it is an insult to metal to call what they =
put on those cheap pieces od sh%* metal. It more the consistancy of an =
aluminum soda can than metal. And third check your consumer reports and =
you will note that Chevy has the worst rating of all. So please take you =
and your toy crap and get a life. This is, after all a Ford list. =
BOZO!!! Little boys play with toys so grow up or buy a Ford or go to the =
toy list since your so pumped up on em'.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:15:34 -0500
From: wildcajun
Subject: Re: underhood light

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> You sent this to the wrong address:
> owner-fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net
>
> Send it instead to:
> fordtrucks80up ListService.net
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
> At 07:55 PM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >i have a 97 F-350 1ton dually . XLT. W/thepowerstroke diesel. with the
> >XLT package i was tolled that had the light conveance package, but no
> >under the hood light. the dealer tolled me that they didn't come with it
> >in the powerstroke. but if i whated he could order one and install it.
> >all so the service maniger said that "FORD has not sent me any service
> >bullenton or information regareding the anding of ADC4 it the power
> >stroke engine" as far as he is conscerned it is dot nessarey to add it.
> >But go to a International dealer and they will tell u that it's almost
> >as inportant as changeing oil. so dus any body have the REAL scoop from
> >ford as is what is required with the ADC4. also the service maniger said
> >that ford will honer there wantiy if it is not added and the engine
> >die's. thx for the info in advance, randy the wildcajun
> >
> >

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:48:57 -0600
From: Thomas Fric
Subject: Re: More Ford electrical problems (starting system problems)

You also need to make sure that the battery terminals are clean, including the
cables going to the terminals. Take the battery to an auto parts store and have
them check the battery. Make sure the terminals going to the soloind are snug. Do
the lights and all of the accessories on the truck work?


ACMERCG wrote:

> Pete wants to make sure you have a proper ground when you changed the
> relay. All your connections are tight as well right? Battery fully charged?
> What sounds does it make?
>
> joe
>
> acmercg aol.com
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:53:12 -0600
From: Thomas Fric
Subject: Re: Looking for Security System

Try the Alpine and Clifford alarms both work well. I have an Alpine alarm on
my truck with a radar sensor that detects movement in the cab and it also
has a pager to page me when the alarm goes off.

David Chapman wrote:

> I want to install an aftermarket alarm/remote keyless entry system on my
>
> 95 Bronco. Has anyone installed one or have information on which ones
> work well or don't work well. I've gathered lots of info from the Web,
> but it's the usual marketing stuff.
>
> Dave C.
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:58:07 -0600
From: Thomas Fric
Subject: Re: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke

Look for the new Vavoline/Cummings oil, for the Cummings turbo diesel. this
oil is made specifically for turbo diesels and should work very well.

F. R. "Rusty" Ames wrote:

> Is there a recommendation on oil type for 7.3L Pwr Stroke. I have
> usually used Quaker State in other vehicles, but dont know if this is
> what I should use in my new F-250HD. Thanks
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
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> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:02:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Toyota list.

Forwarded for:
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Jason Schechner wrote:

There's a toyota trucks list at off -road. com . Send mail to
majordomo lists.off -road. com with
s*bscribe toy4x4
or
s*bscribe toy4x4-digest
in the body of the message. Similarly, and the reason I'm posting
this to the list, is that there's a late model, full-sized Bronco (78-96)
list there too. To s*bscribe substitute "bigbroncos" where you see
"toy4x4" above. Any questions? Feel free to ask!
BTW: You'll need to actually spell out the words "s*bscribe"
above. I had to edit them to get them through the posting software.

- -Jason

- -----
Jason K. Schechner - check out www.cauce.org and help ban spam-mail.
=The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has bounds=

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:13:26 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: radio buzzing

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on, I have a lot of interference, the speakers really buzz, which REALLY =
SUCKS! I put a heavy duty engine noise filter from Radio Shack in, but =
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they handle 75 Watts a piece and I am only putting 25 into them, the =
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1/2 inch cutouts in the doors. Any suggestions? A different filter? =
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:10:38 EST
From: Lt 4x4
Subject: Re: F350 front suspension sag?

In a message dated 98-01-22 06:44:29 EST, you write:


crooked. I had little time so I checked the tires and measured
from the driveway to the bumper trim, I am sure there is a better
way to measure. These measurements showed about an inch delta.
That seems extreme to me. The driveway is flatter than that.

The truck is new. It has 2K miles on it. Any suggestions before I call
Ford?

Thanks in advance,

Shawn

- -----
I have a new 97 F-350, CC, 4x4, PSD too and I noticed something similar. Upon
further investigation, I noticed the front axle is wider than the rear. Stand
behind your truck and you should see the front tire stick out further than the
rear tire on each side. Everthing I see says this is normal. As for the TSB,
I thought that was for a sagging front-end on a F-250, 4x4, with the PSD.
I've considered adding a leaf to the front in order to level my truck out. I
know a guy who did this, but he said he noticed a much stiffer ride.

Hope this helps a little.
Jeff

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:14:06 EST
From: Lt 4x4
Subject: Re: F-250HD 7.3L Pwr Stroke

You can't go wrong with either Motorcraft 15W-40 or Shell Rotella T 15W-40.
The Shell is cheaper and easier to get. Wal-Mart has it in both quart and
gallon sizes. Sam's Club sells it for $29 for a case of 6 gallons.

Good Luck.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:32:16 -0700
From: "Randy Kindler"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #29

Is there a difference in the automatics? I know the Mazda built 5spd was too
wimpy for the 351, but I Thought the autos were the same. Why wasn't the HD
5spd ever available with 351 in F150s? I believe it was available in F250s.
Do the '97s still use the same transmissions?

BTW, I had a '91 F150 4x4 with 302, 5spd and 4.10s. I got 15 mpg. Now, I
have a '95 with 351 and 3.55s. I get about 14mpg. I'd agree that the 351 is
a better choice.

>So I ended up with the 302 which doesn't have the torque for this
>vehicle, and the light-duty AODE trans to go with it! Bummer. If I had
>known about the transmission thing, I would've got the bigger engine....


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