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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #2 [Bill Funk ]
Re: Differential Gearing [Bill Funk ]
Re: Differential Gearing [Sheldon Belinkoff ]
Re: 1999 F250 invoice questions ["Jim Bielecki"
Re: 1999 f250 invoice question [rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)]
sales people [yhtlines surfari.net]
[Fwd: Re: Differential Gearing] [Randy ]
RE: 1999 f250 invoice question [Randy Rees ]
RE: 1999 f250 invoice question [Randy Rees ]
Its Fixed!! ["The Lublin Family" ]
F-150 Popping tips ["Jram" ]
RE Invoices/New Truck Buying ["Gary Snook" ]
Colorado Legislative Alert ["Mark J. Salvetti" ]

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:31:25 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #2

> From: Chad Royse
> Subject: Re: 1999 f250 invoice questions
>
> Sorry you got so offended, but your bend over and pay what we ask
> attitude
> stunk. Many of the Salesman I've worked with had absolutely no
> hang-ups
> about working with invoice prices. The other ones sold one less
> truck.
> And if you depend on your commission just to feed your kids
> McDonald's,
> then PLEASE get a new job for your families sake! Otherwise, quit
> taking
> advantage of your family and using them to make your customers feel
> guilty. Oh, and I was the one who made the $10,000/Expedition claim.
> I
> read it out of a TrailerLife several months ago. I was kinda shocked
> when
> I saw it.

I've been reading Trailer Life for years.
I respect their opinions on trailers, and on the tow vehicles they
evaluate.
However, I know better than to use the economic figures they toss around
as gospel, or as anything other than what they actually mean.
A figure of $10000 per Expedition can not mean net profit. There's
simply no way that can happen. Not even gross profit could be that high.
That figure is, in all likelyhood, invoice minus parts costs, as it
can't also cover the costs of the labor, and certainly not the
'headshop' costs of research and design, normal plant costs, and other
overhead. While I have no doubt that there's more profit in Expedition
sales than in, say, Contour sales, there's no way it approaches $10,000
per Expedition. If it did, I'd own a lot of Ford stock, and shut up, sit
back and rake in the money!

What's also been missing in this thread is the fact that most
dealerships make their real money from the back end - parts and labor
out of the shop.

Bill Funk

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 08:01:18 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Differential Gearing

I have a question for the group...
We have a '91 F-250 XLT Lariat, 460, E4OD, 4.10:1, 8800# GVW (big Dana
rear axle), bought originally because we planned to buy a 5th wheel
trailer. Well, that never happened, but the truck soldiers on. Mileage
on the road is presently about 13.5 MPG. I'm thinking about replacing
the differential gearing with something to get better mileage.
I'm looking for opinions about what to replace the gearing with, and
about what this should cost.
Anyone?

Bill Funk

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:13:54 -0800
From: Sheldon Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Differential Gearing

Well, Bill, you don't have the "big Dana axle" unless your truck is an
anomoly. What you have is the Ford Corporate 10.25" axle.

If you're looking for mileage, you might be well-served with a set of
3.55 gears, which, if I recall, was the higher ration for your truck.
Cost depends a lot on where you go and the labor rastes in your area. A
set of gears might set you back about $150.00 - $200.00 and labor about
the same, perhaps on the high end.

I would not go to a dealer, but rather to a good axle or 4X4 shop that
does this sort of work on a regular basis. They are enerally more
experienced and often quite a bit less expensive than the dealership.

Bill Funk wrote:
>
> We have a '91 F-250 XLT Lariat, 460, E4OD, 4.10:1, 8800# GVW (big Dana
> rear axle)... I'm thinking about replacing the differential gearing > with something to get better mileage.
> I'm looking for opinions about what to replace the gearing with, and
> about what this should cost.

- --
SCB
belinkoff earthlink.net

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:59:15 -0500
From: "Jim Bielecki"
Subject: Re: 1999 F250 invoice questions

> Whoever thinks Ford makes $10,000 per Expedition is very wrong. Also,
> whoever thinks the sales reps can whine to Ford to make more money
> is also very wrong. Lastly, whoever thinks Ford gives a whole bunch
> of kickbacks and incentives for selling is also very wrong. Ford
> does't give too many incentives or rebates until the end of the model
> year, and then the rebates are a couple hundred bucks, but a smart
> consumer would see that and try to reduce thier own cost by that
> couple hunderd bucks.

Ummm. Where do you get your information from? The oft-qouted $10,000
Expedition profit figure is right from the Wall Street Journal, Automotive
News, Ward's AutoWorld and other industry trade publications. That's one
reason Ford will make a few zillion dollars profit this year in North
America.

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:04:19 -0800
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: Re: 1999 f250 invoice question

Spoken like a true car calesman,Josh.In my own experience,there is a
difference in making a living and screwing somebody. About a year
ago,shortly after the intro of the Expedition,I went to my friendly
neighborhood Ford dealership to drive one and took my 94 Bronco
EB(potential trade- 24,000mi,super clean) with me.After the test
drive,Offered them $34,000 for their Black XLT,4X4-the sticker was
$38,400. They declined and said they would only accept an offer of
$38,000.Then they further insulted me with an offer of $18,000 on my
trade,which was clearly low by 2-3,000 bucks.Since then I've seen
similar vehicles selling for a little less than I had offered that
dealer.I left that dealership and went directly to the GMC dealer,still
stunned and disbelieving of the experience I'd had.He infoemed me that
for the same money or a little less,he'd gladly sell me a 4x4 Suburban
with a big block,simalarly equipped.You tell me where the problem
lies.When you buy a non "big ticket item"you don't have to be concerned
with the additional cost difference with interest ammortised over the
loan duration.Not so with auto purchases.The intent of this post is not
to flame you personally,but dealerships in general.You've heard the
horror stories yourself.Oh yeah,lest anybody accuse me of traitorous
behavior,we are still driving(and very much enjoying) our 94 Bronco.The
fact that Ford chooses not to produce them anymore,is their loss IMHO.
Randy

















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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:33:11
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: sales people

Josh wrote:

>As a sales person myself, I personally feel flamed to the term
>"salesweasel" when referring to sales people. Most know a lot more
>than you do, and many "sales weasels" are extremely annoyed by your
>type that think they "know everything".

Josh, and any other Ford sales people on here: don't know your
circumstances re experience in auto sales, but ... I think flameing you
guys is perhaps inappropriate, and shame on whoever did that. BUT....

I've bought a few vehicles over the years--high performance, trucks and
otherwise. IN 30 years of buying vehicles, I have yet to meet a salesman
who knew anything about his company's vehicles--seriously. Or even kept up
with what was on the lot. (And this is the short version). Like I said, I
don't know you, but the auto companies could go a long way to educating you
guys--maybe weekly testing? It's pitiful out there.

The consumer is best served by doing all his own research and protecting
himself by not having a trade-in.

ONe of our local Ford dealers had the owners two sons arrested for dope and
numbers running (while he was living in Vegas-any connection, you think?).
Two years later the FBI shut it down for laundering illegal cars out of the
shop at night. Ford was reluctantly involved. We had some corporate
vehicles caught up in the lock down.

The other Ford dealer just paid an $80,000 fine for duping customers on un
needed repairs. Employees torched the records office one night--my truck
was locked up in that one....

In both cases, the newpapers failed to report what happened due to the
badgering they received from dealerships on loss of advertising revenues.
The newspaper owner (circulation 10,000) owns five airplanes.

Mean while the dealer ship owners live in million dollar homes. I suspect
they got there by making 5o bucks per car. ...give me a break.
Dave Lampert

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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:59:36 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Differential Gearing]

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Doh!! screwed up the send, so I had to forward this to the group.

Randy wrote:
>
> Bill Funk wrote:
> >
> > I have a question for the group...
> > We have a '91 F-250 XLT Lariat, 460, E4OD, 4.10:1, 8800# GVW (big Dana
> > rear axle), bought originally because we planned to buy a 5th wheel
> > trailer. Well, that never happened, but the truck soldiers on. Mileage
> > on the road is presently about 13.5 MPG. I'm thinking about replacing
> > the differential gearing with something to get better mileage.
> > I'm looking for opinions about what to replace the gearing with, and
> > about what this should cost.
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Bill Funk
> >
>
> Bill, the 8800# gvw tells me you have the F-250HD. Those DID come
> w/Dana 60 rears (at least my '87 did), but I'd check to be sure. Unless
> you're a machinest I would have the new gear and pinion installed by a
> 4x4 shop as mentioned earlier. There are things like gear backlash and
> stuff that must be calibrated on installation, so unless you have the
> tools and gages....
> I don't know what tires size you have, maybe 245/75/16's? If so, that's
> about a 30" overall diameter (rounded). Do you have the auto OD
> tranny? Do you have a tach? 4wheel parts wholesalers has a chart in
> their catalog (based on 65 mpg 1:1 gear ratio on a manual 4sp - so if
> you have the auto OD, you're RPM's would be 15-30% lower than those
> listed here). It lists a 4.10 gear ratio for fuel economy (listed at
> 2992 RPM), but the next gear up is for towing, so I'd say they gave you
> a medium; ok mileage, but decent towing power. Switching to a set of
> 3.55's (2501 RPM's, don't forget the 15-30% reduction in both of these
> RPM's w/the 4sp OD) would put you right in the middle of the three gear
> ratios they list for best gas mileage, w/3.42 being the best. I saw a
> set of 4.10's listed in my Jeg's catalog for $340, but that sounds kind
> of high. Call 4wpw at 1-800-421-1050, they list a set of 3.55's and
> 3.73's (others too) for your app. Starting here at $225 for the kit,
> gear and pinion only sets start at $182. Hope this helps,
> Randy

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Bill Funk wrote:
>
> I have a question for the group...
> We have a '91 F-250 XLT Lariat, 460, E4OD, 4.10:1, 8800# GVW (big Dana
> rear axle), bought originally because we planned to buy a 5th wheel
> trailer. Well, that never happened, but the truck soldiers on. Mileage
> on the road is presently about 13.5 MPG. I'm thinking about replacing
> the differential gearing with something to get better mileage.
> I'm looking for opinions about what to replace the gearing with, and
> about what this should cost.
> Anyone?
>
> Bill Funk
>

Bill, the 8800# gvw tells me you have the F-250HD. Those DID come
w/Dana 60 rears (at least my '87 did), but I'd check to be sure. Unless
you're a machinest I would have the new gear and pinion installed by a
4x4 shop as mentioned earlier. There are things like gear backlash and
stuff that must be calibrated on installation, so unless you have the
tools and gages....
I don't know what tires size you have, maybe 245/75/16's? If so, that's
about a 30" overall diameter (rounded). Do you have the auto OD
tranny? Do you have a tach? 4wheel parts wholesalers has a chart in
their catalog (based on 65 mpg 1:1 gear ratio on a manual 4sp - so if
you have the auto OD, you're RPM's would be 15-30% lower than those
listed here). It lists a 4.10 gear ratio for fuel economy (listed at
2992 RPM), but the next gear up is for towing, so I'd say they gave you
a medium; ok mileage, but decent towing power. Switching to a set of
3.55's (2501 RPM's, don't forget the 15-30% reduction in both of these
RPM's w/the 4sp OD) would put you right in the middle of the three gear
ratios they list for best gas mileage, w/3.42 being the best. I saw a
set of 4.10's listed in my Jeg's catalog for $340, but that sounds kind
of high. Call 4wpw at 1-800-421-1050, they list a set of 3.55's and
3.73's (others too) for your app. Starting here at $225 for the kit,
gear and pinion only sets start at $182. Hope this helps,
Randy


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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:05:34 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: 1999 f250 invoice question

I just bought a 1997 F250HD Powerstroke 4x4 and bought it for $1500
under invoice. I also got a $1700 rebate on top of that. the dealer made
about $500 as the holdback for that particular truck is $2000 (holdbacks
change almost daily, and are only in effect at the time the dealer
orders the truck). I actually saw the invoice and compared that to what
dealer cost should have been according to MS carpoint and Edmunds, wich
was within a few hundred dollars. And BTW it will be a while before you
see end of tyhe year incentives on the 1997 HD and F350's since new ones
won't be around until 1999.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockinghorse webtv.net [SMTP:rockinghorse webtv.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 1998 8:04 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: 1999 f250 invoice question
>
> Spoken like a true car calesman,Josh.In my own experience,there is a
> difference in making a living and screwing somebody. About a year
> ago,shortly after the intro of the Expedition,I went to my friendly
> neighborhood Ford dealership to drive one and took my 94 Bronco
> EB(potential trade- 24,000mi,super clean) with me.After the test
> drive,Offered them $34,000 for their Black XLT,4X4-the sticker was
> $38,400. They declined and said they would only accept an offer of
> $38,000.Then they further insulted me with an offer of $18,000 on my
> trade,which was clearly low by 2-3,000 bucks.Since then I've seen
> similar vehicles selling for a little less than I had offered that
> dealer.I left that dealership and went directly to the GMC
> dealer,still
> stunned and disbelieving of the experience I'd had.He infoemed me that
> for the same money or a little less,he'd gladly sell me a 4x4 Suburban
> with a big block,simalarly equipped.You tell me where the problem
> lies.When you buy a non "big ticket item"you don't have to be
> concerned
> with the additional cost difference with interest ammortised over the
> loan duration.Not so with auto purchases.The intent of this post is
> not
> to flame you personally,but dealerships in general.You've heard the
> horror stories yourself.Oh yeah,lest anybody accuse me of traitorous
> behavior,we are still driving(and very much enjoying) our 94
> Bronco.The
> fact that Ford chooses not to produce them anymore,is their loss IMHO.
> Randy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:09:39 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: 1999 f250 invoice question

As a Postscript to all this it did take two days and about 13 hours of
negotiating to get that deal, so both myself and salesman worked for
thier money.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Rees [SMTP:Randyr icat.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 1998 1:06 PM
> To: 'fordtrucks80up listservice.net'
> Subject: RE: 1999 f250 invoice question
>
> I just bought a 1997 F250HD Powerstroke 4x4 and bought it for $1500
> under invoice. I also got a $1700 rebate on top of that. the dealer
> made
> about $500 as the holdback for that particular truck is $2000
> (holdbacks
> change almost daily, and are only in effect at the time the dealer
> orders the truck). I actually saw the invoice and compared that to
> what
> dealer cost should have been according to MS carpoint and Edmunds,
> wich
> was within a few hundred dollars. And BTW it will be a while before
> you
> see end of tyhe year incentives on the 1997 HD and F350's since new
> ones
> won't be around until 1999.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rockinghorse webtv.net [SMTP:rockinghorse webtv.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 1998 8:04 AM
> > To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > Subject: Re: 1999 f250 invoice question
> >
> > Spoken like a true car calesman,Josh.In my own experience,there is a
> > difference in making a living and screwing somebody. About a year
> > ago,shortly after the intro of the Expedition,I went to my friendly
> > neighborhood Ford dealership to drive one and took my 94 Bronco
> > EB(potential trade- 24,000mi,super clean) with me.After the test
> > drive,Offered them $34,000 for their Black XLT,4X4-the sticker was
> > $38,400. They declined and said they would only accept an offer of
> > $38,000.Then they further insulted me with an offer of $18,000 on my
> > trade,which was clearly low by 2-3,000 bucks.Since then I've seen
> > similar vehicles selling for a little less than I had offered that
> > dealer.I left that dealership and went directly to the GMC
> > dealer,still
> > stunned and disbelieving of the experience I'd had.He infoemed me
> that
> > for the same money or a little less,he'd gladly sell me a 4x4
> Suburban
> > with a big block,simalarly equipped.You tell me where the problem
> > lies.When you buy a non "big ticket item"you don't have to be
> > concerned
> > with the additional cost difference with interest ammortised over
> the
> > loan duration.Not so with auto purchases.The intent of this post is
> > not
> > to flame you personally,but dealerships in general.You've heard the
> > horror stories yourself.Oh yeah,lest anybody accuse me of traitorous
> > behavior,we are still driving(and very much enjoying) our 94
> > Bronco.The
> > fact that Ford chooses not to produce them anymore,is their loss
> IMHO.
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:43:14 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Its Fixed!!

Hi all:

Well after nearly a month, I got the little electrical problem on my truck fixed. HOORAY!!! It works better than when I bought
the truck. The problem was that the previous owner installed a trailer light wiring harness and the wire that went from the
taillights to the harness was shorting out against the box. Well since I dont use that truck for trailer towing, and for safety
reasons, I just cut that trailer wiring crap off there. Thanks to all of you for your imput. Later dudes!

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:17:45 -0600
From: "Jram"
Subject: F-150 Popping tips

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I read an entry about F-150 popping noises which included transmission =
crossmember and Huck rivets. The transmission crossmember is the most =
common and does sound like it is coming from the front end. It is a =
real grinding twisting metal kind of noise. The hock rivet noise is the =
popping noise and always seems to come from the one on the left frame =
rail. The huck rivets are very hard to replace. you have to remove =
them and install a grade 8 nut and bolt. Ford wants the rivet removed =
cold (air hammer or drill) because the heat of a torch will reduce frame =
integrity. The best way to do the transmission crossmember is to only =
loosen the crossmember bolts and pry up the crossmember with a prybar. =
Then insert a piece of antifreeze jug that is as long and as wide with =
slots to fit around the bolts. Tighten up the bolts and the noise is =
gone. We do this constantly at my dealership and I have even done it to =
my 94 2x4 and my 81 4x4 and neither have ever made a peep from the =
crossmember since. This is much easier than removing the crossmember =
completely. Hope this makes it to the list and is helpful.

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:22:32 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: RE Invoices/New Truck Buying

There USED to be a Ma & Pa (read small town) dealer in a small town north of
here that ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER to sell new SPECIAL ORDERED Ford Trucks AT
DEALER INVOICE. There were 2 conditions, 1 It was a cash deal, and 2 no
trades. There wasn't any bickering about the price either. I never used
the Dealer due to the cash part. For the 100$ to 200$ over invoice that I
paid, my dealer aranged much better financing than I could get thru the
bank. This dealer had done this for many years. He is no longer in
business. Seems he was filing for rebates on vehicles he never sold. Or
you might say - screwing the company instead of the customer -------

Gary

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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:59:00 -0500
From: "Mark J. Salvetti"
Subject: Colorado Legislative Alert

I picked this up off another mailing list that I'm on, and thought I'd =
just forward to you guys. Sorry, I'm just the messenger, so if you have =
questions, please try to get in touch with the contact listed at the =
end. Or maybe the SEMA web site.

Mark


> LEGISLATIVE NOTICE
>=20
> BILL TO PROHIBIT ALTERED SUSPENSIONS
> APPROVED BY COLORADO REVIEW COMMITTEE
>=20
> The Colorado Legislature's Transportation Legislation Review Committee
> has
> given preliminary approval to a draft bill that would prohibit any
> person
> from operating a motor vehicle on a public highway if the =
configuration
> of
> the vehicle has been altered from the original manufacturer's
> specifications. This measure is specifically designed to ban vehicles
> with
> altered suspensions, but also pertains to tire or wheel size, body
> height,
> chassis configuration and steering system. Violators could face fines =
of
> up
> to $1,000.
> SEMA supports reasonable and relevant safety laws regulations at both
> the
> state and federal level and supports the model raised vehicle =
regulation
> recommended by the American Association of Motor Vehicle =
Administrators.
> Like some other states, however, Colorado appears poised to impose....


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