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In this issue:

Difference between 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks [onnie lynn winebarger
Re: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts [TCPFL
Re: Re: Toys [Psnowball ]
Re: Toys [Psnowball ]
Re: Toys ["Randy L. Hatcher" ]
Re: Re: Toys [Psnowball ]
Transfer case upgrade. ["Bryan Snyder" ]
T-case upgrade [John Cassis ]
Ford Paint Problems ["Bryan Snyder" ]
Re: Congratulations!!!!! [Paul Laughlin ]
RE:Paint [peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)]
Re: Toys [Gardner ]
Re: Toys [FastRngXLT ]
Gas vs. Diesel [Stephen Barclay ]
Re: My error [Psnowball ]
Re: Gas vs. Diesel [WJToch ]

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:57:32 -0500 (EST)
From: onnie lynn winebarger
Subject: Difference between 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks

What exactly are the differences here? I know there are stronger
springs, shocks, bigger tires. Are the frames any different?

How much is each class of truck able to tow?

Thanks,
Lynn

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:06:27 EST
From: TCPFL
Subject: Re: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Ken...
Could you please send the address of the chat page? Hopefully I'll be able to
get off work long enough to join in the fun Sunday evening.
Thanks!
Tom

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:51:23 EST
From: Psnowball
Subject: Re: Re: Toys

I tried to find a "stripped" anything when I went shopping. Sure isn't like
it used to be. Now you are stuck with a radio/stereo and a/c whether you want
it or not.

The new Toyotas may have thin bench seats, but the 1987s were great.

One of the things I noticed on all of the new trucks I tried were the doors.
(and, having had several rentals last year while traveling, the cars are the
same way) The doors are very wide and swing WAY out. I have to be extremely
careful not to bang into the car next to me. I try to find an empty space on
the drivers side just so I can open my door all the way.

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:09:40 EST
From: Psnowball
Subject: Re: Toys

You guys can bash the Toyotas all you want, but I loved mine. (1987) I just
gave it to my daughter and hopefully she will be able to put another 140K on
it.
My hubby still has his (also 1987) and it has just over 160K. He drives it up
north and home 2 times a month and puts some major miles on it.
Why did I get a new truck if mine was so great? My daughters Ford Festiva
(1989) was falling apart and since she could not afford a new car, and we had
been thinking about a new truck anyway, we decided to just give her mine and
get a new one for me. And why a Ford over another Toyota? The 1997 Tacomas
were crap. And very uncomfortable inside for a large person. The Consumer
Reports gave the Ford Ranger a major thumbs up last year. (along with the
Nissan which they said was basically the same with a Ford engine) So what do
I like about my Ranger?
I love sitting up high and I love the power in it. (I got the V8)
Varoooooommm!!!
I like having the shorter bed--it's easier to parallel park and fits into
short spaces. I HATE the hand break under the dash. I'm told that's an
American thing. I liked the pull-break on the Toy. I miss having the little
bench in the back area.
I stored all of my "stuff" there and can't reach a darn thing on the floor
back there now. If anyone has a remedy for that, please let me know. Even if
it means not using the little spare seats--which are useless to me.

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:55:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Randy L. Hatcher"
Subject: Re: Toys

V-8>???
when did that start--I WANT ONE!!!

On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Psnowball wrote:

> You guys can bash the Toyotas all you want, but I loved mine. (1987) I just
> gave it to my daughter and hopefully she will be able to put another 140K on
> it.
> My hubby still has his (also 1987) and it has just over 160K. He drives it up
> north and home 2 times a month and puts some major miles on it.
> Why did I get a new truck if mine was so great? My daughters Ford Festiva
> (1989) was falling apart and since she could not afford a new car, and we had
> been thinking about a new truck anyway, we decided to just give her mine and
> get a new one for me. And why a Ford over another Toyota? The 1997 Tacomas
> were crap. And very uncomfortable inside for a large person. The Consumer
> Reports gave the Ford Ranger a major thumbs up last year. (along with the
> Nissan which they said was basically the same with a Ford engine) So what do
> I like about my Ranger?
> I love sitting up high and I love the power in it. (I got the V8)
> Varoooooommm!!!
> I like having the shorter bed--it's easier to parallel park and fits into
> short spaces. I HATE the hand break under the dash. I'm told that's an
> American thing. I liked the pull-break on the Toy. I miss having the little
> bench in the back area.
> I stored all of my "stuff" there and can't reach a darn thing on the floor
> back there now. If anyone has a remedy for that, please let me know. Even if
> it means not using the little spare seats--which are useless to me.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:35:22 EST
From: Psnowball
Subject: Re: Re: Toys

sorry about the V8 -- I apparently can't type too well at 5:30 in the morning.
I have a V6

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:43:32 PST
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: Transfer case upgrade.

Is anyone familiar with the Borg-Warner 13-54 with electronic
engagement? I have one in my 90 Ford Ranger STX with the 5sp. I want to
put a Borg Warner 13-56 with the electronic engagement out of an F-150
in my truck instead, (it has a lower low range). Are the mounting
flanges the same? is the front output shaft on the right side? Will the
electronic hook up just plug in and work? Is the 13-56 any stronger than
my 13-54? And finally, is the electronic engagement of the case Separate
from the main computer? The wiring diagrams I have seen do not show this
wiring. Transfer cases just aren't my cup of tea! Any help will be
greatly appreciated!

Bryan. Remember guys, Keep the shiny side up!

______________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:42:22 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: T-case upgrade

I dont have a clue if it will work just a question. Is the t-case you =
are installing heavier duty? Why the upgrade? Does it bolt right up or =
did you have to construct something to get it to bolt up? Anyway you =
just got me curious.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:25:34 PST
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: Ford Paint Problems

I have a 90 Ford Ranger STX Supercab 4x4. When I bought it at 120,000
miles it had just started to flake, not bad though. At about 135,000
miles it was getting BAD!! I could PEAL SLABS of paint off with just my
garden hose while trying to wash it! I went to my local Ford dealer (God
I hate that dealership!:( ) They said there was a service memo for the
paint on the mid and full size trucks of late 80's and early 90's. They
also said that I was 2 years to late to get in on the fix for my truck
(This was a year ago.)! I filed a grievance with my regional service rep
and never heard from them again. I have found that Ford makes Great
stuff, BUT when it comes to customer service and dealer prices for
ANYTHING, THEY SUCK! They could learn from Saturn when it comes to
customer service! They are great! ANYWAY, I went to several paint shops,
all with excellent reputations (One was owned by the local
GMC/Caddy/Pontiac,etc, etc, dealership and was the biggest and best
equipped). All said that the problem was due to lamination (the
separation of the paint from the primer.), and was due to either bad
paint or bad primer. Regardless of which it was, the vehicle would have
to be stripped bare and repainted. In my area, all of the quotes I
received from a 60 mile radius were around $2200 to $2500 for a basic
repaint! AAAHHH!!!! I finally went to a friend of the family who had a
paint shop and got a quote, delivered my truck and picked it up two
weeks later. He completely primed, repainted the truck, sandblasted and
painted the bumpers, installed my Bushwacker fender-flares, and prepped
and painted my lund moonvisor all for $750!!! This included all my
paint supplies which I had bought earlier (Dupont ChromaBase, 1992
Plymouth Bright Metallic Blue, It looks BEAUTIFUL!!)! I have since added
Westin step bars and have reinstalled my factory original grill and
brush guard, repainted of course. The only down side is that he could
not bake the finish as he doesn't have an oven. Oh well, for that price
I won't complain! It now has 145,000 on it with the original 2.9 and
5sp., and it still runs like a Swiss watch!

Bryan Hey guys keep the shiny side up!

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:29:50 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: Congratulations!!!!!

Randy wrote:

> Just writing to say:
> CONGRATULATIONS FORD!!! FOR 50 YRS OF BUILDING THE BEST TRUCKS EVER
> MADE!!!!
> For those that didn't know, today is the 50th anniversary of the Ford
> F-series truck!!!!

Yeah Randy,
There is an article on the anniversary in the current issue of Popular
Mechanics Mag.
Paul in Portland OR

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:42:14 EST
From: peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)
Subject: RE:Paint

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:32:36 EST
From: CurtAinSB
Subject: Paint problems

I bought my '91 Ranger used in January '94. It is metallic grey and the
paint
looked perfect at the time. Within about a year, the paint started to
get
white spots on it, like the clearcoat was going bad. By now huge areas
on the
roof and hood have flaked off completely and the truck looks like crap.
Very simply, I called the 800 customer service Hotline.
I told them I was the 3rd owner, and use the vehicle to tow a Porsche
Racecar to all the races. I mentioned that although my racecar looks
great and the trailer looks great the truck with it's peeling paint
probably doesn't show as well as it could. After a couple of calls they
said they would cover the paint! All I had to do was bring it to my
local Ford dealer and have him look at it. I made an appointment and
brought the vehicle in. The paint manager after looking at the truck
gave me an estimate of $1,200! He explained that this was to bring the
body back to showroom condition - (bare metal).
I said, "I don't really care if it goes back to bare metal, just paint
the thing and fill the parts you need to".
His response was that, "Ford would not cover the paint unless the body
was perfect".
I said, "I'll get the body done somewhere else and bring a "perfect" body
to him for painting".
"No way, we can't tell what kind of work was done under the primer, so we
won't paint it. It's either my way or the Highway"
The perfect Catch-22.
I was talking to a friend of mine who is a Ford Regional Service Manager.
(he would be this guys liaison between the Factory and the dealership if
he was in his district)
He said it is totally up to the individual dealer on how to handle it.
He said the dealers love things like this as Ford pays them a standard
amount and they can get the paint done for far less than what they are
being paid. Great profit margin! He said the dealer is just trying to
squeeze the most he can out of the deal, but there is nothing he could do
about it.
So that's where I sit. My truck doesn't have major dents, no rust
(California), just some dings here and there. It's a work truck for me.
It gets washed maybe once a month. Gets me to and from the mountains,
tows when i need it, and hauls groceries. It doesn't have to be pretty.
I can have a body shop paint do the whole thing for about the same
amount, if not less. I just didn't want to pay that much for a repaint.
And that's my story...

Mike Mueller - Account Manager
Peak Business Services
Equipment Leasing and Funding Programs
Office (510) 274-1720 Fax (510) 944-0782
What can we do for you today?


Curt Commented:
I understand that Ford had an ongoing problem with paint in the late 80's
and
early 90's, and repainted some peoples' vehicles _even out of warranty_.
If
you are one of those people, or have any information that would help me
get
Ford to repaint my truck, please email me privately, and post it to the
list
if you wish. My apologies if this is a recurrent thread, I am new to the
list.

Thanks,
Curt
curtainsb aol.com
Mike Mueller - Account Manager
Peak Business Services
Equipment Leasing and Funding Programs
Office (510) 274-1720 Fax (510) 944-0782
What can we do for you today?

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:29:41 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Toys

Psnowball wrote:
>
> You guys can bash the Toyotas all you want, but I loved mine. (1987) I just
> gave it to my daughter and hopefully she will be able to put another 140K on
> it.
> My hubby still has his (also 1987) and it has just over 160K. He drives it up
> north and home 2 times a month and puts some major miles on it.
> Why did I get a new truck if mine was so great? My daughters Ford Festiva
> (1989) was falling apart and since she could not afford a new car, and we had
> been thinking about a new truck anyway, we decided to just give her mine and
> get a new one for me. And why a Ford over another Toyota? The 1997 Tacomas
> were crap. And very uncomfortable inside for a large person. The Consumer
> Reports gave the Ford Ranger a major thumbs up last year. (along with the
> Nissan which they said was basically the same with a Ford engine) So what do
> I like about my Ranger?
> I love sitting up high and I love the power in it. (I got the V8)
> Varoooooommm!!!
> I like having the shorter bed--it's easier to parallel park and fits into
> short spaces. I HATE the hand break under the dash. I'm told that's an
> American thing. I liked the pull-break on the Toy. I miss having the little
> bench in the back area.
> I stored all of my "stuff" there and can't reach a darn thing on the floor
> back there now. If anyone has a remedy for that, please let me know. Even if
> it means not using the little spare seats--which are useless to me.
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
> +----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+

V-8.....THAT IS REALLY FUNNY

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:45:46 EST
From: FastRngXLT
Subject: Re: Toys

In a message dated 1/17/98 9:13:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, Psnowball aol.com
writes:


gave it to my daughter and hopefully she will be able to put another 140K on
it.
My hubby still has his (also 1987) and it has just over 160K. He drives it
up
north and home 2 times a month and puts some major miles on it.
Why did I get a new truck if mine was so great? My daughters Ford Festiva
(1989) was falling apart and since she could not afford a new car, and we had
been thinking about a new truck anyway, we decided to just give her mine and
get a new one for me. And why a Ford over another Toyota? The 1997 Tacomas
were crap. And very uncomfortable inside for a large person. The Consumer
Reports gave the Ford Ranger a major thumbs up last year. (along with the
Nissan which they said was basically the same with a Ford engine) So what
do
I like about my Ranger?
I love sitting up high and I love the power in it. (I got the V8)
Varoooooommm!!!
I like having the shorter bed--it's easier to parallel park and fits into
short spaces. I HATE the hand break under the dash. I'm told that's an
American thing. I liked the pull-break on the Toy. I miss having the little
bench in the back area.
I stored all of my "stuff" there and can't reach a darn thing on the floor
back there now. If anyone has a remedy for that, please let me know. Even if
>>

I didnt know the Ranger came with a V8 unless sepcialy ordered from the SVO
team. And I think you have Nissan confused with Mazda.

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:38:56 -0000
From: Stephen Barclay
Subject: Gas vs. Diesel

I purchased a 1997 F250HD RegCab 4x4 with the 5.8L V8 for use as a plow
truck. I have just over 1,400 miles on the truck now and I am beginning to
wonder if I should have purchased the diesel instead. Reason, gas mileage!
So far the truck is averaging 8.5 miles per gallon over all. With a best of
11 without carrying the plow around and 8 to 8.5 while plowing, which in
Michigan this year has been quite disappointing.

My question is are there any others out there that have a diesel plow
truck? What type of gas mileage are you getting? What are the pro's or
con's where the diesel is concerned?

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:25:11 EST
From: Psnowball
Subject: Re: My error

Again--I repeat. I made a typo this morning. It was very early--I do NOT have
a V8. It's a 6. I've given myself 100 lashes with a wet noodle.....


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