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fordtrucks80up-digest Saturday, January 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 024



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In this issue:

Toys [John Cassis ]
Re: Toys [Chad Royse ]
Toys [John Cassis ]
Re: Diesel [William Martin ]
RE: Toys [Michael Wray ]
re: Diesel [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Toys [John Cassis ]
Rough running F-150 [Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com]
Re: Rough running F-150 [Chad Royse ]
Re: Toys [Gardner ]
Re: Diesel [Gardner ]
Re: ADMIN: Java chat is alive! [Robert ]
Re: Suspension [Macormick ]
Suspension [John Cassis ]
Warner T-18 ["Casey Vandor" ]
Re: 1999 transmission ratios and axle info [Tyler Abbott
Speedometer recalibration - 95 F150 [Steve ]
Headers for a 1996 351 v8 ["David Mortensen" ]
Paint problems [CurtAinSB ]
ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts [Ken Payne
Congratulations!!!!! [Randy ]

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:07:23 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Toys

Josh,

I have compared the new trucks. I went truck shopping with my budy last =
month. We looked at Fords, Toys, Nissans, & Chevys. He ended up with a =
new Ranger with the 2.3. It was'nt the quickest truck but the one he =
liked most (honest I played devils advocate here I realy did'nt =
influence him......liar liar) Anyway it was his first new car. The =
little nissans were pretty quick, but paper thin and the shift light on =
the chevys just kill me. I'd be going nuts with that =
shift,shift,shift,shift BS every time I streched out a gear. The toys =
were way too expensive and for the money the Ranger is the ticket, you =
got a lot for your buck. What you pay for a stripped nissan or =
toy(rubber interior, steel wheels) you get a Ranger with a/c, aluminum =
wheels, and nice cloth interior. Anyway I was glad I steered the kid in =
the right direction. But to answer your question I have looked at the =
competition, and you know I just did'nt like them as much as the fords. =
Anyway you agreed earlier.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:28:34 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Toys

Did you notice on the toy stripped model's that the bench seat is literal=
ly only a couple inches thick? I guess people over seas don't need any s=
upport or hate comfort. Something I would really expect on a high-end go=
- -cart.

Lovin' Fords is just too easy. (HEY! A new Country song!!)

John Cassis wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I have compared the new trucks. I went truck shopping with my budy last=
month. We looked at Fords, Toys, Nissans, & Chevys. He ended up with a n=
ew Ranger with the 2.3. It was'nt the quickest truck but the one he liked=
most (honest I played devils advocate here I realy did'nt influence him.=
=2E....liar liar) Anyway it was his first new car. The little nissans wer=
e pretty quick, but paper thin and the shift light on the chevys just kil=
l me. I'd be going nuts with that shift,shift,shift,shift BS every time I=
streched out a gear. The toys were way too expensive and for the money t=
he Ranger is the ticket, you got a lot for your buck. What you pay for a =
stripped nissan or toy(rubber interior, steel wheels) you get a Ranger w=
ith a/c, aluminum wheels, and nice cloth interior. Anyway I was glad I st=
eered the kid in the right direction. But to answer your question I have =
looked at the competition, and you know I just did'nt like them as much a=
s the fords. Anyway you agreed earlier.
>
> John Cassis
> The Danger Ranger
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:29:38 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Toys

Chad,

The funny thing is driving those toys and nissans is like driving a go-cart. Same feel.
I could go cw if that was a new song....hehehehehhe.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:55:10 -0800
From: William Martin
Subject: Re: Diesel

Ryan Penner wrote:
>
> Why is it that a Ch*vy can have their Diesel engine in the 1500? But in
> order to get one from Ford you have to have a 250 HD? Is it because ch*vy
> puts heavier duty springs up front or what?
>


Maybe their diesel is made out of cardboard? Much lighter, I bet!

Bill

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:58:23 -0800
From: Michael Wray
Subject: RE: Toys

I have both.... ;}

I have an '86 F250 SuperCab 4x4 with 33x12.50x 16.5 tires and the wife
has a '92 Toy 4x4 with 30x10.50 tires. My truck is great for me, and
her truck is great for her. She likes to drive trucks.... just
(much) smaller ones! :) but it fits her great since she can get
thru' the snow just fine and people don't cut her off much anymore
(compared to when she had her car). It is true tho' when I drive it
I feel like I am driving a go cart... Must be the turning radius.
hahahaha

Michael (Honk Honk..... beep beep)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:55:38, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Diesel

Chebby's diesel is a piece of junk. It doesn't have the power of the
7.3L, so you can stick it in the wimpy little 1/2 ton chassis that
the chevy has. The power stroke has way too much power even for the
rough and tough F-150 1/2 chassis.

Josh

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:00:44 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Toys

Ok I agree to enough with the Toy stuff but I base alot of my opinions =
from this. In 87' I bought an 81' Toy 4x4 from a relative. The truck was =
very well maintained and in perfect running condition. It had 80k miles =
on it. I drove till' it had 160k miles on it. Three months befor I =
bought it the manual trany had been completely rebuilt. In the time I =
owned the truck I put 3 clutches, pressure plates, and throw-out =
bearings in it. Two flywhels, one center chunck from the rear end, and =
two trany rebuilds. Give me a break the truck was a piece of sh$%! Not =
only that parts like transmissions from junkyards were three times the =
cost as for amarican trucks. The center chunk for the rear end, from a =
junk yard was $300. After the rear end ordeal and a week later the trany =
(the syncronizer btween 4th and 5th went and trashed 5th gear again) I =
sold the truck as soon as I fixed it. I bought an 80' Ford Courier (with =
a ford 4 banger not the mazda motor). It was my first Ford. I remember =
brake drums for the toy were upwards of 80 bucks, I bought brand new =
ones for the Ford for 20 bucks. I snapped the ceneter chunck in the =
Courier....it was only $50 from a salvage yard. Thats when I said I =
would never buy another import. I drove the Courier till it saw 150k =
miles and sold it (with the original clutch still in it. I still see =
that truck every now and then, still alive and running. I'm real hard on =
what I drive but new clutches every 20k miles was rediculous. I never =
even did any towing. With my 93' Ranger with 85k miles I probly have =
about 30 to 35k miles towing my boat in those miles on it. When the =
slave cylinder to the clutch went bad I replaced the clutch at the same =
time. Still had some left and I had 75k miles on it. Not only that the =
clutch, pressure plate, throw-out bearing, and new slave cylinder cost =
about $240 from the dealer. Just the clutch, pressure plate, and =
throw-out bearing for the toy were over $300. I mean like what the fu# ? =
Did they build the toy parts on the space shuttle or what? Now I know =
lots of people who swear by their toys, but when the toy breaks they pay =
much more to fix it than we do as Ford owners. Sory so long winded but =
that is why I will never own another one of those toy cars.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Rough running F-150

Please let me know where I can get information in how to correct a
rich running engine. The 5.0L has run rich since I purchased it new
in '92. It idles rough and balks when I accelerate after being
stopped at a light for a while. The amber Check Engine light often
illuminates but turns itself off after a few minutes, or after
restarting the engine. I have not found anyone who can read out the
diagnostic codes from the computer to tell me why the Check Engine
light is illuminating.

When taken back to a dealer for repair they say they found a loose
wire to fix the Check Engine light but couldn't tell me which one when
asked (and there was no fix). They never fixed the rich running or
rough idle. I have replaced all the ignition parts twice since new
(now it has 102000 miles) but neither time did they look overly worn
when replaced.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:20:18 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Rough running F-150

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Sounds to me like a bad O2 sensor. Any black smoke?

Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com wrote:

> Please let me know where I can get information in how to correct a
> rich running engine. The 5.0L has run rich since I purchased it new
> in '92. It idles rough and balks when I accelerate after being
> stopped at a light for a while. The amber Check Engine light often
> illuminates but turns itself off after a few minutes, or after
> restarting the engine. I have not found anyone who can read out the
> diagnostic codes from the computer to tell me why the Check Engine
> light is illuminating.
>
> When taken back to a dealer for repair they say they found a loose
> wire to fix the Check Engine light but couldn't tell me which one when
> asked (and there was no fix). They never fixed the rich running or
> rough idle. I have replaced all the ignition parts twice since new
> (now it has 102000 miles) but neither time did they look overly worn
> when replaced.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Sounds to me like a bad O2 sensor.  Any black smoke?

Michael_Skerrett ccmail.orl.lmco.com wrote:
     Please let me know where
I can get information in how to correct a
     rich running engine.  The 5.0L has run
rich since I purchased it new
     in '92.  It idles rough and balks when
I accelerate after being
     stopped at a light for a while.  The
amber Check Engine light often
     illuminates but turns itself off after a few
minutes, or after
     restarting the engine. I have not found anyone
who can read out the
     diagnostic codes from the computer to tell
me why the Check Engine
     light is illuminating.

     When taken back to a dealer for repair they
say they found a loose
     wire to fix the Check Engine light but couldn't
tell me which one when
     asked (and there was no fix).  They never
fixed the rich running or
     rough idle.  I have replaced all the
ignition parts twice since new
     (now it has 102000 miles) but neither time
did they look overly worn
     when replaced.

     Any help would be appreciated.
+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:20:50 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Toys

Chad Royse wrote:
>
> Did you notice on the toy stripped model's that the bench seat is literally only a couple inches thick? I guess people over seas don't
need any support or hat
>
> Lovin' Fords is just too easy. (HEY! A new Country song!!)
>
> John Cassis wrote:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > I have compared the new trucks. I went truck shopping with my budy last month. We looked at Fords, Toys, Nissans, & Chevys. He ended up
with a new Ranger wit
> >
> > John Cassis
> > The Danger Ranger
> > 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
> > +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> > | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> > | List removal instructions on the website. |
> > +----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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No a country song requires something and then losing it!

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:22:57 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Diesel

William Martin wrote:
>
> Ryan Penner wrote:
> >
> > Why is it that a Ch*vy can have their Diesel engine in the 1500? But in
> > order to get one from Ford you have to have a 250 HD? Is it because ch*vy
> > puts heavier duty springs up front or what?
> >
>
> Maybe their diesel is made out of cardboard? Much lighter, I bet!
>
> Bill
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Maybe they figured that people who mistakingly bought a che*y for work
would buy a diesel which is much more dependable than their gas
engines(not really) and would lower warranty costs!

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:51:29 -0800
From: Robert
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Java chat is alive!

You can go to the netscape web-site and download communicator 4.03 for
Windows 3.1. I've been using it on my 486 for around 6-8 weeks now and it
works great. It has both Java and Javascript.

Robert

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Randy wrote:

> Ken Payne wrote:
> >
> > Java chat on the web site is now alive. The old slow and
> > flickery CGI is history.
> >
> > One known problem with it: it doesn't redraw the screen
> > in Netscape until after a user types a message if you
> > switch Netscape to the background and back to the foreground.
> >
> Ok, I already hate the new chat Java format. I don't have Java
> capabilities apparently. I though Netscape 3.01 had it, but maybe only
> w/Win95 and not 3.11. Oh man, and I was looking forward to it too.
> Bummin' in Ohio,
> Randy
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:34:10 EST
From: Macormick
Subject: Re: Suspension

I put these coil spring expanders in my ranger and when I did that the front
tires toed out. I wanted to level out the front with the back. It only put
about1.5" lift on it maybe more. Would an alignment fix the problem?

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:27:51 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Suspension

To get your 1 1/2" lift and alignment right you need new coil springs, =
camber bushings, and shocks. I did this to my 93' Ranger. But it was =
more like 2 to 2 1/2" to level it out. Look in some 4x4 mags they have =
lots of parts for 4x4's and 2x4's. It cost me about $500 to do the hole =
thing and have it installed. It was $250 parts and $250 labor. Hope this =
helps.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:03:10 -0900
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: Warner T-18

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>BTW: I think Ford discontinued the Warner T18 in its trucks in the mid
>'70s. The 4-speed manual you have is probably a New Process 435. It =
can
>be identified by the metal tag held under two bolts on the inspection =
plate
on the right side of the transmission. The number 435 by itself appears
somewhere on that tag. Another identifier would be the cast aluminum =
top
cover/shift tower with the New Process logo (the letters NP inside a =
gear).

Good luck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)=20

I had heard the same type of thing you did about the tranny, but when I =
finally got a build sheet from Ford (some 6 1/2 months later!) it was =
listed as a T-18, so I guess I look for the tag to find out for sure. I =
don't remember seeing the tag on the plate, so is a number in the VIN =
for the tranny? (that little plate is still there...)
Casey



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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:02:41 -0800
From: Tyler Abbott
Subject: Re: 1999 transmission ratios and axle info










I know a Ford 9" if I see one but is there any distinguishing things about
the 10.25? When did FORD change from the 9" to the 8.8"?
If Dana 135 stands for 13.5" ring gear, does the 44, 60, 70 etc. stand for
anything? What is the decidiing factor between an 80 or a 135? What ratios
are between 3.73 and 5.38?
I've asked Josh before, but what is the shift pattern of the new six speed?
Thanks
- -Tyler-

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:08:22 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: Speedometer recalibration - 95 F150

Is it possible to relcalibrate the speedometer after changing tire sizes
from
235/75 r15 to a 31x10.5 r15. I know the change isn't huge (about 7%
error)
but if it can be done easily, I'd like to calibrate it correctly. This
has the digital odometer, so there aren't any gears to change to
recalibrate it.

Vital stats:
'95 F150 s/c 4x4 351 E4OD

Thanks,
Steve
anthem hnet.net

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:11:37 PST
From: "David Mortensen"
Subject: Headers for a 1996 351 v8

I would like to buy headers for a 96 F250 with the 351. The 96 351 has a
smog hookup at the rear of each exhaust manifold, i've talked to Hedman,
Hooker, Edelbrock, Doug Thorley and JBA, none of these companies make
headers for the 96+ exhaust hookup, but they do make them for the
previous years. Does anyone know anyone who makes them, or has anyone
converted a pre-96 set for post-96 service? The 97 Ford Motorsport SVO
catalog doesn't list them either, but is it possible that the 98 catalog
will have them?

Also does anyone know how much the stock exhaust manifolds would go for,
JBA once told me if i send them the manifolds they might be able to make
a set of headers for it.

Thanks,
Dave

______________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:32:36 EST
From: CurtAinSB
Subject: Paint problems

I bought my '91 Ranger used in January '94. It is metallic grey and the paint
looked perfect at the time. Within about a year, the paint started to get
white spots on it, like the clearcoat was going bad. By now huge areas on the
roof and hood have flaked off completely and the truck looks like crap.

I understand that Ford had an ongoing problem with paint in the late 80's and
early 90's, and repainted some peoples' vehicles _even out of warranty_. If
you are one of those people, or have any information that would help me get
Ford to repaint my truck, please email me privately, and post it to the list
if you wish. My apologies if this is a recurrent thread, I am new to the
list.

Thanks,
Curt
curtainsb aol.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:59:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Anniversary...
2nd week in January will be Ford Truck Enthusiast's 1st year
anniversary. I would like to invite everyone to join Peggy
and I on the chat page of the web site on Sunday, January 18th
from 8pm Eastern time to 10pm Eastern time to chat with each
other as a "net party" to celebrate. Bring your memories,
especially the members who were here early on (remember the
great Slick 50 flame war?).

Sorry about the last post saying it was Saturday. I got my
dates mixed up.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:26:43 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Congratulations!!!!!

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Just writing to say:
CONGRATULATIONS FORD!!! FOR 50 YRS OF BUILDING THE BEST TRUCKS EVER
MADE!!!!
For those that didn't know, today is the 50th anniversary of the Ford
F-series truck!!!!
Btw, under the no small feat category, I would also like to congratulate
Ken & Peggy for One Full Year of Ford-Trucks.com. On behalf of all the
list members, thank you for such a fine page and the all hard work you
put into it.
Ken, I will personally throw a HUGE party when this page gets to be 50
yrs old!!!! Of course, I'll be nearing 80 then, so I don't know how....

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