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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, January 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 020



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In this issue:

Bronco/302 questions [oraring tcmail.frco.com (otis Raring)]
Re: K&N Replacement Air Filters [James Federline
Starting Problems [quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)]
Re: Bronco/302 questions [Randy ]
Door Detector [Damian Velez ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #19 [Rob782 ]
Headers [TCPFL ]
1999 Skid Plates [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #19 ["Fast Ford" ]
Re: Bronco/302 questions ["Fast Ford" ]
351 windsor [Macormick ]
Re: 351 windsor [Randy ]
Re: Bronco/302 questions [Randy ]
question [Troy Reifsnider ]
Re: question [Randy ]
Re: Dave's Comments ["Laura Dale" ]
Re: question [ILuvTruks ]
Re: question [bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)]
Re: holley [dchez juno.com (David T Sanchez)]
4.0l ranger ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: Rough Ride complaint outcome. ["jlohse" ]

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:10:26 -0600
From: oraring tcmail.frco.com (otis Raring)
Subject: Bronco/302 questions

Howdy! I am new to this list as well as a first time owner of a Ford
truck, a 1989 Ford Bronco (full size). The truck has the 302 engine
and a three speed auto transmission. I have a few questions, if anyone
could help me out with some info I would appreciate it. One problem
with the truck is that when I start her up, the RPM shoots to
2100-2400 and then comes down to only 1600 or so after maybe 20-30
seconds, its revving too high. Possible causes? Vacuum line? Another
is that the gas mileage is only about 9-10 MPG. The truck has
31x10.5's, but I dont know how much that would affect MPG. I never
expected great mileage from it, but maybe 11-13. Is this what other
owners of this vehicle have experienced? The truck only has 54,000
miles on it (confirmed). Also, when slowing down from around 60 MPH,
when I get to about 40-45, with the foot off the gas, their is a
"clunk" in the drivetrain, and if I step back on the gas a few seconds
after that there is another clunk as I accelerate. Nothing really bad,
but bad enough to cause me to worry. As long as it is the drivetrain
and not the tranny I would feel okay.

Also, anyone know of some catalogs that are good for Bronco
accessories? I dont plan on buying any until the truck proves itself
reliable for a few thousand miles but I love looking through catalogs
and dreaming about what i COULD buy.

Thanks.

Otis Raring
'89 Bronco

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:18:36 -0600 (CST)
From: James Federline
Subject: Re: K&N Replacement Air Filters

>From: Jim Orson
>
>The advantage of not having to replace paper elements is clear, however,
>how about the performance issue? Does the K&N filter improve
>performance? Is it noticeable or just theoretical?

Despite what some may say, when I put one in my 2.3L Ranger *and* switched
to 90 octane gas, there was a noticable increase in pickup. But when
you're talking about the 2.3L, most *any* difference is noticable.

>Also, how about cost? The truck store wants $45 for the Ranger filter
>and another $10 for the cleaning kit and oil. Is that the going rate?

My local parts store where I purchased mine sold it for $36 and recently
had it on sale for $29. I've never seen the kit on sale, and it was priced
where you saw it priced.

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Principal Consultant "Actual Solutions To Real Problems"
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:07:33 -0800
From: quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)
Subject: Starting Problems

I am once again having starting problems
Vehicle : 1994 F150 Ford 300 6Cyl.
Conditions: Turn Key to "Start"
Hear "Click" of Starter Relay
Engine does not turn over
Occurrence: Sometimes not often
Otherwise perfoms perfectly
Hardware: New Battery
Replaced Starter/Soleniod
Wiring looks good
Connections look clean
Vehicle extremely clean in/side & out

Any suggestion to solve this problems ?????
Tim

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:06:20 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Bronco/302 questions

otis Raring wrote:
>
Also, when slowing down from around 60 MPH,
> when I get to about 40-45, with the foot off the gas, their is a
> "clunk" in the drivetrain, and if I step back on the gas a few seconds
> after that there is another clunk as I accelerate. Nothing really bad,
> but bad enough to cause me to worry. As long as it is the drivetrain
> and not the tranny I would feel okay.
>
Have you checked the U-joints? 54k miles is low for U-joint failure,
but you don't know what kind of driving the previous owner did during
the past 8 yrs. Climb under (should be plenty of room) and see if
there's any play in the driveshaft by twisting it. Make sure the
drivetrain is NOT under load (i.e. in park on an incline). The movement
can be very slight and you won't hear the clunk either. You can also
look up into the U-joint itself and see if you find shiny metal, this
would indicate that the needle bearings have worn, fallen out or
disintegrated (sp?). I tried that on mine and didn't have any shiny
metal, but now needle bearings were found in the cap when I removed it.
Guessing I waited too long and the shiny metal had time to rust.

> Also, anyone know of some catalogs that are good for Bronco
> accessories? I dont plan on buying any until the truck proves itself
> reliable for a few thousand miles but I love looking through catalogs
> and dreaming about what i COULD buy.
>
Otis, another catalog browser like myself. One thing any four wheeler
cannot live w/o is the 4wheel Parts Wholesalers catalog for $5
(refundable) at 1-800-421-1050. Another catalog I found on the 'net is
The Automobile Parts & Accessories Catalog by Custom Truck Outfitters at
1-800-909-TRUK also $5 refundable. Performance Parts Catalog (Ford
trucks and SUVs) and Ford Pickup Truck Accessories catalogs are two Ford
specific ones that I have. Call them at 1-800-752-6111 and
440-946-2178, respectively. The latter # is the local shop here in NE
Ohio, but they can probably tell you how to get the catalog. Try also
JC Whitney at 312-431-6102 for general accessories along w/Summit Racing
1-800-230-3030 and Jeg's at 1-800-345-4545. Both are here in Ohio and
are nationally recognized mail-order companies dealing mostly w/auto
racing engine parts, but there's alot to be found in those cats for
trucks. The last three catalogs mentioned were free for sure and I
think the two prior to that were too.
Here are some hotlinks to some of the above pages:

Summit Racing: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.summitracing.com
Jeg's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jeg.com
4wheel Parts Wholesalers http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4wheelparts.com/
Performance Products (Ford) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://performanceproducts.com/ford.html
ProTruk Outfitters http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.protruckoutfitters.com/
Accessories Plus Truck Centers http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.accplus.com/ (not
mentioned 'cuz I haven't ordered this one yet, but it's a 200 pg cat for
$5.

Have fun browsing the cats!
Later,
Randy

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:34:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Damian Velez
Subject: Door Detector

Stupid Question,

Does anyone know where the door sensor is on a '95 Ford Ranger
located at. Mine seems to be malfunctioning and I would really like to fix
it rather then take it to the dealership. I would really appreciate any
help that any of you could give me. Thanks.

Damian S. Velez
Technology Assistant
NSU MicroLab (Parker 1st floor)
(954) 262-4956
Proud Brother of Theta Delta Chi, Eta Triton charge


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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:27:59 EST
From: Rob782
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #19

I have a 1990 Bronco II(4wd) and I was wondering about some basic facts about
it, like tranny and rearend. It has the 2.9 V-6...i hear this is a speed-
density equipped engine and i want to get more power out of....is it worth
while (or possible) to convert it to Mass Air? or should i just swap in a 4.0
or a 5.0 ? Also I would like to lower it about 2-3 inches. What would be the
best way to go about this? Coils and leafs ? If anyone has done this I owuld
be grateful if they could share their knowledge.

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:56:41 EST
From: TCPFL
Subject: Headers

I'm looking for a set of stainless steel headers (ceramic coated) for an
F-150, 4.2 liter V-6. Does anyone know if Ford or any aftermarket company
manufactures these headers?
Thanks...
Tom

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:29:45, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: 1999 Skid Plates

Hi,

A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a question reguarding skid
plates. I finally heard back from Ford. They told me what I already
knew! Skid plates are offered only with the Off-Road package. They
don't come standard with the diesel. Either they thought I was
stupid, or Ford didn't understand the question. Oh well.

Josh

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:44:26 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #19

I know on my Lightning it was $1200 just to convert to Mass Air. I would
pull out the ol' v6 and transplant a FMS 302 or 351, which would cost around
$3200 new or you could find you a wrecked mustang and pull the 302 and have
it punched and get you some 351 heads.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rob782
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V2 #19


>I have a 1990 Bronco II(4wd) and I was wondering about some basic facts
about
>it, like tranny and rearend. It has the 2.9 V-6...i hear this is a speed-
>density equipped engine and i want to get more power out of....is it worth
>while (or possible) to convert it to Mass Air? or should i just swap in a
4.0
>or a 5.0 ? Also I would like to lower it about 2-3 inches. What would be
the
>best way to go about this? Coils and leafs ? If anyone has done this I
owuld
>be grateful if they could share their knowledge.
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:48:10 -0600
From: "Fast Ford"
Subject: Re: Bronco/302 questions

That clunk could be the mounts on the transmission. I had the same noise in
another truck and found out the rubber bushings on the transmission mounts
were wore out causing the tranny to shift under stopping and going.
- -----Original Message-----
From: otis Raring
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 8:33 AM
Subject: Bronco/302 questions


> Howdy! I am new to this list as well as a first time owner of a Ford
> truck, a 1989 Ford Bronco (full size). The truck has the 302 engine
> and a three speed auto transmission. I have a few questions, if anyone
> could help me out with some info I would appreciate it. One problem
> with the truck is that when I start her up, the RPM shoots to
> 2100-2400 and then comes down to only 1600 or so after maybe 20-30
> seconds, its revving too high. Possible causes? Vacuum line? Another
> is that the gas mileage is only about 9-10 MPG. The truck has
> 31x10.5's, but I dont know how much that would affect MPG. I never
> expected great mileage from it, but maybe 11-13. Is this what other
> owners of this vehicle have experienced? The truck only has 54,000
> miles on it (confirmed). Also, when slowing down from around 60 MPH,
> when I get to about 40-45, with the foot off the gas, their is a
> "clunk" in the drivetrain, and if I step back on the gas a few seconds
> after that there is another clunk as I accelerate. Nothing really bad,
> but bad enough to cause me to worry. As long as it is the drivetrain
> and not the tranny I would feel okay.
>
> Also, anyone know of some catalogs that are good for Bronco
> accessories? I dont plan on buying any until the truck proves itself
> reliable for a few thousand miles but I love looking through catalogs
> and dreaming about what i COULD buy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Otis Raring
> '89 Bronco
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>| List removal instructions on the website. |
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>

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:45:12 EST
From: Macormick
Subject: 351 windsor

Anyone know of a web site that has specs on a 351 windsor?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:18:23 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: 351 windsor

Macormick wrote:
>
> Anyone know of a web site that has specs on a 351 windsor?

What kind of specs were you looking for? E-mail me directly I have some
specs, may have what you're looking for.
Randy

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:09 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Bronco/302 questions

Fast Ford wrote:
>
> That clunk could be the mounts on the transmission. I had the same noise in
> another truck and found out the rubber bushings on the transmission mounts
> were wore out causing the tranny to shift under stopping and going.

If you do determine it to be a worn/broken or deteriorated tranny mount
I would suggest getting ahold of Energy Suspension and purchasing a
polyurethane tranny mount. I think they carry them for most popular
trucks. It won't break down over time due to oil and fuel like the OE
rubber ones will.
Randy

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:00:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Troy Reifsnider
Subject: question

What are the 'things' on the side of the truck that say the model.
example: F150
I want to call them hood ornaments, but that obviously isn't right -
logo's perhaps?






_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:13:32 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: question

Troy Reifsnider wrote:
>
> What are the 'things' on the side of the truck that say the model.
> example: F150
> I want to call them hood ornaments, but that obviously isn't right -
> logo's perhaps?
>
>
Name plate emblems?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:15:54 -0800
From: "Laura Dale"
Subject: Re: Dave's Comments

Dave wrote
> My wife was a teacher--but finally gave it up. After the last year,
> when a Charles Manson look-alike ran through the halls chasing screaming
> children while waving a handgun looking for the "little scumbag that
> hurt my kid", I think that was the last straw.
>
> I've heard the stories, like five stolen purses, a turd found on the
> floor (yeah, no kidding), bullet holes in the windows, screaming kids,
> screaming parents of screaming kids (whoses children are little angels,
> of course), screaming teachers and screaming principals. Then the local
> drug runner is calling the house about his kid (hey, at least he CARED).
>
> It's too much. The endless paper-grading, record keeping, lesson
> planning. Unless you are a teacher (or know one very well), I don't
> think that you can really appreciate the work involved. Not to mention
> the pay, either! I don't know if you could pay me enough to endure the
> abuse that you teachers do. I bet you've heard the one about how "you
> ONLY work 9 months of the year, though". I don't know about you, but my
> wife put out a year and a half worth of work in that 9 months--and spent
> her own money on supplies, too!
>
Since this board is supposed to be about Fords and lest I be criticized for
talking about other things except Ford, and lest I be criticized for
carrying
on the salesperson issue...

Just so you know, I have been teaching elementary school now for six years,
and
I have actually had enough. Even though I went down to the first grade, I
can't stand the whole administrative crap. Besides all the things that you
mentioned - like PAYING FOR EVERY THING I DO, and working 24 months
in a 12 month year (oh, and don't let them think this year-round cr*p is so
great
because it basically doesn't give you a chance to do anything meaningful
in those four weeks I get off), and the total lack of respect from certain
people
who send their children to school without food, clothes, shoes, baths,
deodorant,
good manners, etc. I don't mean to complain in front of all of my fellow
Ford
lovers (I do drive my FORD to school and love driving my FORD to school)
there - I mentioned the Ford thing again...
I wanted so badly to teach children. Man, if only the superminions who
rule
us would allow it. Did I happen to mention to you that my first year in a
gang
school, I was subjected to my teacher "buddy," the biggest bully on the
planet
who actually went in and told my kids I was a lousy teacher because I
didn't do
things the old way? Hey, that year, I had to deal with an eleven -year-old
girl's
suicide attempt, the best artist in class going to juvenile hall for
stabbing a
kid in the eye with a screw driver, and yaddaddee yaddaddee yahhh.
Did any of the administrators care? I was "too involved" with my kids and
was creating a cult (so sayeth the menopausal...) oops....
My second year, I was the "Rover." That's not a baseball thing - that's a
homeless
teacher who moves the entire class not once, but NINE times each year -
once
a month - every four weeks. Gee, I wish I was the teacher like Helen on
Andy
Griffith - who had a desk and each child had some books. Now we must
entertain
and put on a show every day to keep my beloved little ones' attention
focused.
So, I would pack up all of my stuff and we would all move. Then I got to
be the
merry maid. I didn't have a FORD then, but my beloved had a FORD F-250
7.3Liter
diesel with a serious paint problem (previously mentioned on this site).
(had to mention it to be allowed to go on...) Plus, the jealous hormonal
women with
whom I "worked" just couldn't handle a person with a purpose, so I
transferred.
WHERE, I discovered that because everyone else in 5th grade had already
ROVED, I would get to be the lucky ROVER again.
I always wondered what our superintendent (who doesn't drive a FORD) would
do if we just moved his office every four weeks or so...
Anyway, I am now looking at doing something else. I thought I would only
last
five years. IT is so very heartbreaking to realize that trying to help
children learn
and be good to each other, and just grow up right isn't really what goes on
in
any school. So, Dave, I know how your wife felt. I feel very overwhelmed.
Don't think unions help. They just help themselves to your cash and work
out great
retirement plans for the elder teachers.
I actually enjoy driving my FORD EXPEDITION 1998 black and beautiful around
town envisioning myself doing something else, like reading exciting things
on the
FORD bulletin board.
So, perhaps I will just quit and work full time for my beloved who
manufactures
custom weight and fitness equipment (no plug intended, but hey... Ken don't
blast me now...), and drive his FORD F-250 all over town.

> Personally, I think that Josh has taken too much abuse. I've seen him
> provide many members with information on trucks. Certainly he can't be
> expecting to benefit financially from his involvement--people aren't
> going to drive cross-country to beat his door down for a new truck--he
> clearly likes trucks and enjoys dealing with people. I'd say he's been
> an asset to the group. Hope we haven't run him off.

And, yes, Josh has taken a lot of abuse. JOSH - stop being abused.
Accept the fact that no one really likes car salesmen - its' a historical
thing
that will follow you all through your career. I have tried to be a
superior
teacher with ethics - it is difficult. I will not succumb to the
stereotype, so
don't you! Accept that Ken is right! Go on and sell some more trucks!
When you get blue, go see a Quentin Tarantino film and wonder why you drove
there in
your FORD truck...

Hey, does anyone think I'm as funny as I think I am?
P.S. I actually do read all the tech stuff and attempt to decode it for my
own vile little purposes. I just like to write a lot...
Regards to all,
Laura Schnur
1998 FORD Expedition XLT
1989 FORD F-250 HD 7.3 L Diesel


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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:28:45 EST
From: ILuvTruks
Subject: Re: question

I've also heard them called "tags" "stickers" "Trim piece" "name plates"
"model emblems" , and two or three others, but If you want the technical name,
you got me. Just figured I'd throw some out at you.
:-)
In a message dated 98-01-12 22:16:20 EST, you write:

> Troy Reifsnider wrote:
> >
> > What are the 'things' on the side of the truck that say the model.
> > example: F150
> > I want to call them hood ornaments, but that obviously isn't right -
> > logo's perhaps?
> >
> >
> Name plate emblems?

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:28:05 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Re: question

>> Troy Reifsnider wrote:
>> >
>> > What are the 'things' on the side of the truck that say the
>model.
>> > example: F150
>> > I want to call them hood ornaments, but that obviously isn't
>right -
>> > logo's perhaps?
>> >
>> >
>> Name plate emblems?
>+--------------
fender badge

B Rickman bmrickman juno.com
91 Explorer 4X4 EB AOD
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:25:22 EST
From: dchez juno.com (David T Sanchez)
Subject: Re: holley


>I had to wade in on this holley issue, numerous times I have had
>driveability problems like you describe Mike. May I suggest getting
>the small edelbrock carb, although slightly more complex than the
>holley they cold start better and there is no gas below a gasket this
>stops all leaks. Plus with one of these you can’t over carborate
>since everything functions on vacuum, I am very pleased after using
>two of these on different vehicles.
>Adam
>In colorado springs sends

I have been considering replacing the factory Holley 4180 on my '86 351HO
Bronco, but was concerned whether all the factory emissions equipment
along with the transmission kickdown and cruise control will all work
properly. I have been experiencing a lot of driveability problems with
the Holley and from what I've heard from many people, the Edelbrock carbs
work great. However, most of these people had 60's or 70's vehicles with
little or no emissions controls. Besides the maze of vacuum lines, I
have been unable to locate any electronic controls on the Holley even
though I was under the impression that all vehicles built after 1980 were
computer controlled, so I'm unsure what will be involved with the
conversion. So, Adam or anyone else out there, who my have switched over
to the Edelbrock, please let me know if you encountered any difficulties
with the conversion or have any pointers to pass along. TIA.

Dave Sanchez
dchez juno.com

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:42:49 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: 4.0l ranger

When did Ford start putting the 4.0l in the ranger?

thanks
ryan

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:26:19 -0800
From: "jlohse"
Subject: Re: Rough Ride complaint outcome.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Rees
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:06 PM
Subject: Rough Ride complaint outcome.


>Well, to all that followed my rough ride complaints. Only had truck for
>about three weeks and never really had time to do any maintenance. Had
>time last night to check everything, tire pressures....holy cow were
>they high. Dealer or factory had set them to LF/72 R/F67 L/R88 R/R78.
>I checked this a couple of times each in disbelief, with a digital
>gauge. Also found a shipping block still installed in R/R leaf spring
>(which basically made it a non-spring). Other one must have fell out as
>no dealer prep was ever done on this vehicle. I was almost ready to....

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