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In this issue:

Re: Steve Ford Man-Powerstroke and Body style [rockinghorse webtv.net (Ra]
Re: Explor rear Seat [Tuobay ]
F250 KingPin [abernatw amsec.com (Wade Abernathy)]
If it fits you must.... not aquit??? ["Smeins, Larry" ]
Re: Invoices [Chad Royse ]
Salesman [John Cassis ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Jim Lujan ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepb]
Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? [Randy Rees
One More On Sales People ["Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)" ]
Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Chad Royse
Re: F250 KingPin [onnie lynn winebarger ]
$3500 more for Diesel than v10 [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
RE: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? [Randy Rees
RE: $3500 more for Diesel than v10 [Randy Rees ]
Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepb]
Re:If it fits you must.... not aquit??? [Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)]
RE: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ? [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (]
Re: Re: Rough ride [Keith Srb ]
MSRP prices [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
re: Powerful Powerstrokes in Future? [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENN]
Re: Powerful Powerstrokes in Future? [INGENERATE ]
"Hot" in demand [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:58:37 -0800
From: rockinghorse webtv.net (Randall Goolsby)
Subject: Re: Steve Ford Man-Powerstroke and Body style

Steve,as per the post a couple weeks ago,the powerstroke HP is up to
235.The torque is up for 1999(or is it 98?) to over 500 ft lbs;both are
a result of an intercooler apparenty added to the turbo.As for the body
style,I LIKE IT!It's much better than the hack job Ford did on the 97
F-150s IMHO.Actually I liked the 92-96 style just fine,and I'm still
lamenting the loss of the Bronco.Why can't the pointy-heads Ford leave
"The Best" alone?Modular engines?phooey.The small-block Windsor engines
have 25+ years of success behind them.Guess you know who's doing the
testing on the new generation of gas powerplants.......
Randy 94 Bronco EB 351W 85 F-250 4X4 460

















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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:21:32 EST
From: Tuobay
Subject: Re: Explor rear Seat

Have you ever seen jump seats for a 1996 Full size Bronco? I would like to
install them if available.

Thanks,

Dave Carothers

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:34:54 -0500
From: abernatw amsec.com (Wade Abernathy)
Subject: F250 KingPin

1981 F250 2WD Heavy Duty - workhorse front wheels "pop" into place
when turning steering wheel from left to right and back. It also kind of
decides
which direction it would rather go independent of driver's will :)

Front tire patterns are wearing as though they were mounted very "\ /"
like.

I replaced the wheel bearings and got a lot of control back but I want to
replace the kingpins
and the bearings there also. Problem is, when I remove the tapered holding
bolt and the top
and bottom caps, the pin will not come out no matter how hard I strike it.

My Chilton doesn't have any info on this and I've searched the archives -
no match
for kingpin etc. that I can find. Library is next but first ...

Is this typical ? Or am I missing something here. Will I really get more
control of
Blu's direction intentions by replacing these things ? Will I be
disappointed ? Are they warped
so bad that an act of god is the only thing that gets them out ?

Any help is welcomed.

Wade Abernathy
abernatw amsec.com



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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:42:33 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

I built a wood rectangle out of 4x4s that when placed against the wall
just contact the front tires at the proper stopping position. I also
hung a ball from the ceiling to warn me when I was about to contact the
4x4s. The combination makes parking in the garage fool proof enough
that my wife can put the truck into place. I even have storage cabinets
on the back wall that clear just above the hood so the nose of the
truck goes under them.

If you intend to use your truck for hauling and work instead of as a
people mover get the long box. The proper engine for your truck is the
Power Stroke.

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.

>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:55:04 -0500
>From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
>Subject: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

>My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor
seal.
>Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It
seems
>like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still
man
>operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a
fit? I
>could get a short box 6 3/4' that would be about 16" more room(in the
garage,
>not the truck). Still not room enough to do anything, and I would
probably end
>up pulling it ahead further that necessary most of the time anyways...
Looking
>for some feedback to help me make my decision.

>Thanks,

>Daryl in Omaha

>FYI the gross weight of a 99 crew cab long box is 8800lbs, this makes
it almost
>inevitable to get the v10 engine instead of the v8. You could tow a
big
>trailer, but you would not be able to load the truck up much. At least
with
>that model.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:55:19 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Invoices

Being 'hot'(demand) is not enough alone. Supply and Demand are
inseparable. You can't have one without the other. If there is no supply,
there is effectively no demand. At least no financial opportunities. You
can't sell what doesn't exist (legally). If there is no demand, then your
supply is worthless.

In the case of the 320's, low supply, moderate to high demand and that
leaves BMW with quite a bit of control. However the F-series is better
described as the low demand and high supply. Now before you get your
flaming engines roared up, keep in mind that supply and demand are
relative. For instance, I just heard a commercial where McDonald's claims
it sells some 3 million fries a day. That's quite a bit of demand. But
relative to supply, it's nothing. Therefore they are a bargain. The
F-series is not to this extreme, but there is definitely no shortage. They
ARE a hot item. I believe they have been THE best selling vehicle for some
time now. But, there is plenty of them to go around. So with lots of
trucks and lots of buyers, it creates a great buying environment because
dealership's become very competitive. Therefore there is no reason one
should be able to spend a minimal amount of time getting their F-series at
invoice or VERY close. As Ken Payne mentioned, if you can't work out a
price in 15-20min. then leave. After that long they don't want to deal,
they want to haggle.

Good luck to all the buyers out there!
Chad

Michael Kisielewski wrote:

> Randy,
>
> Josh is right. When something is a hot item they don't need to make any
> deals unless the salesperson wants to and can. I didn't get the best
> deal on my '97 F-150 but I didn't pay MSRP either. Now my wife and I are
> looking at replacing a leased Chrysler Town and Country with a Mercedes
> ML-320. The 320's are such hot sellers there is a sixth month wait down
> here in Florida a year if you're in Pennsylvania.

>

> It's a lesson on how supply and
> demand drive the market.
>
> Michael

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:57:46 -0600
From: John Cassis
Subject: Salesman

Ken,
Thanks for the support. You realy coverd all the bases, even the one on =
Josh. He is a great asset to this list. As I said before I was'nt trying =
to bust his chops or any other sales people out there. I just had to get =
my point accross, but you did a lot better job than I did. One more =
thing yesterday I said "mom always said I should become a lawyer" just =
to clear things up I am not a lawyer (I have morals). Never did do what =
mom said to. Anyway like I said before thanks for the input.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 08:20:35 -0700
From: Jim Lujan
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

Daryl,

Things to consider...

That F250HD is probably one of the tallest trucks (anywhere from 6' to 6'2").
Most garage door openings are around 6'6". If you have any sort of incline on
the concrete pad approaching the door, it will affect the angle of entry and
decrease that 4-6" buffer on top.

As for making sure you're in the right spot once in, I've tried several
things, but the two that work best are a stop pad on the floor
(make sure you either secure it to the floor or mark it's position with
tape, they tend to move with people traffic), and the ever popular
ball on string suspended from the ceiling. A tennis ball, ping-pong ball,
wiffle ball, whatever suits your fancy...

Also, if you have a topper on the bed, you might want to check the radius
where the door opens and closes. If you only have inches to spare at the
back of the truck and you have a camper shell on, the distance from the
front of the garage to the inner arc where the garage closes is shorter
than the front of the garage to the rubbber seal on the floor.

As for short-bed vs long-bed, it all boils down to what do you want to
put in it? If you are looking for manuverability, go with a short.
If you want to pull a fifth-wheel you would probably be better with a
long bed, but can do with a short. If you haul 4x8 sheets of anything,
a long bed will be easier overall. Are you gonna put a camper on it?
Look at the campers you are interested in before you decided on which bed length.
If your number one priority is space in the garage, get a short-bed.
For some it is almost a religious issue. Oh, don't forget any aftermarket
equipment you might add to the front/rear of the truck, bullbars, winch,
snow-plow, etc.

Best of luck!

-Jim-

'97 F350 PS CCab LB (which doesn't fit in my garage :-( )


>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:55:04 -0500
>From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
>Subject: If it fits you must.... not aquit???
>
>My garage is exactly 267" from drywall to rubber on garage door floor seal.
>Truck is 257.5 + 5"for bumper = 262.5". That leaves at most 4.5". It seems
>like if it will fit why not do it? But then again this thing is still man
>operated I could take out a wall! Anyone else have this tight of a fit? I
>could get a short box 6 3/4' that would be about 16" more room(in the garage,
>not the truck). Still not room enough to do anything, and I would probably end
>up pulling it ahead further that necessary most of the time anyways... Looking
>for some feedback to help me make my decision.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Daryl in Omaha
>

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:34:10 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

> ...(you have to give it ~1-1.5" for the parking brake tooth in the tranny -
> ie the car will move back or forward a few inches when you put it in park
> and release the brake... might want to use the parking brake -that's what
> we do.

The parking pawl in a tranny is not a brake, and was not designed as
one. That's what the parking brake was designed for, and what it
should be used for. To properly park a vehicle with an automatic
tansmission, you come to a stop, place the shifter in neutral and apply
the parking brake. Then you release the service brakes. Then you
place the shifter in Park. This way the rear brakes are holding
the vehicle, and the drive train is unloaded.

Relying on the transmission to hold the vehicle is asking for trouble.
You won't be able to notice any driveline slop caused by bad U-joints
if the drive shaft is loaded; you stand the chance of putting enough
pressure on the pawl to lock up the transmission, or break the pawl,
both of which make it hard, or impossible to shift the transmission.
These are just two reasons that come to mind.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:52:25 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

No I bought a 250HD because you can't get a Powerstroke in a medium
duty. Sure, find me a light-medium duty truck that will get the gas
mileage of the Powerstroke during my daily commute and be able to pull a
fifth wheel for my family on weekends? (not everybody can afford a
leisure truck and a commuting car) What in the hell is so wrong about
wanting a heavy duty truck that at least rides civilized. The over the
road guys would never stand for a harsh ride in their big rigs, read a
Peterbuilt advertisement someday and you'll find the words, "smooth
comfortable ride" in there as a selling point. Shouldn't it be the
American dream to have your cake and eat it too? Besides why are there
cupholders in my 40-20-40 seat if I wasn't meant to use them. Currently
anything I put in there eventually jumps out. Get real people...I'm not
looking for a truck de' ville, or a Mercedes like ride, just something
that at least doesn't have me wincing in bone jarring anticipation of
every expansion joint.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Macormick [SMTP:Macormick aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:44 PM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Re: Rough ride
>
> I mean come on you bought a 250HD, they are made for work. They need
> that
> suspension for the work most people use them for. If you want a soft
> ride get
> a car or a light duty truck.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:50:23 -0600
From: "Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)"
Subject: One More On Sales People

Just got back off vacation and wanted to give my 2 cents worth.
Remember, as much as we hate to admit it, we are all part of the human
race. There are many creepy sales people (selling cars and other
items), but there are many crummy police officers, lawyers,
firefighters, computer hackers, school teachers, managers, union people
... on and on and on. Every profession has its share of jerks. All of
us get screwed by somebody at something. It doesn't matter if you are a
blond, blue-eyed white male, a black person, a female (try being a
female buying a new truck without a male present) We all drive
vehicles, so we ALL come in contact with vehicle sales people. It would
be terrific if they would just post one price. But, a lot of people
like to dicker and - face it, we all like to brag about how good a deal
we got on our new vehicle. For many, one sticker price would take the -
challenge - out of it. Like several have said, the best defense is to
educate yourself and stick to your guns, and I would like to add - go in
with a positive attitude. I believe every one is a human being first
and deserves the benefit of the doubt, the first time I make contact.
If you have done your homework you will feel much more confident. You
can look on the internet, go to the library, etc. to arm yourself with
prices. Talk to friends and friends of friends to find out which
dealership is decent and see who they recommend as a sales person. If
you have done your homework, you will know right off if they are trying
to screw you. If they are trying to screw you or are down right rude,
walk out. Go to another dealership. If no other dealership, go back
another time and ask for a different sales person. If you don't like to
negotiate or buckle under a strong sales person, take a good negotiator
with you. I can be very direct, but am a nice person. If I know I have
no choice but to deal with a real turkey, I take a friend who can be
just as rude as the next person. It is too bad we come in contact with
so many rude sales people, but I have come in contact with many people
in other professions who I would put right up there with the rudest
sales person. Every profession has its good people and rotten people.
And, for those of you wondering, even a nice person can get a good deal.
I ordered and got my 98 F150 Super Cab for exactly $50 over invoice, all
by myself with no strong tactics or surprises on either side. My Ford
sales person was a pleasure to work with.

Judy

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:15:41 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

> ...The over the road guys would never stand for a harsh ride in
> their big rigs, read a Peterbuilt advertisement someday and you'll
> find the words, "smooth comfortable ride" in there as a selling point.

Look further in their specs and you'll find that the cab has an air
suspension system built into it, and the driver's seat is air suspended
as well. The truck rides like a Peterbilt, but the driver is in
air suspended comfort. Put an air seat in your F250HD and your ride
will smooth out a lot.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:14:09 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

I think you missed the point of the thread. And being as you brought it up, a
near level garage is not going to shear any parking pins. If it does, sell your
Chevy and buy a Ford! (I couldn't resist!!)

Chad

The Hepburn wrote:

> > ...(you have to give it ~1-1.5" for the parking brake tooth in the tranny -
> > ie the car will move back or forward a few inches when you put it in park
> > and release the brake... might want to use the parking brake -that's what
> > we do.
>
> The parking pawl in a tranny is not a brake, and was not designed as
> one. That's what the parking brake was designed for, and what it
> should be used for. To properly park a vehicle with an automatic
> tansmission, you come to a stop, place the shifter in neutral and apply
> the parking brake. Then you release the service brakes. Then you
> place the shifter in Park. This way the rear brakes are holding
> the vehicle, and the drive train is unloaded.
>
> Relying on the transmission to hold the vehicle is asking for trouble.
> You won't be able to notice any driveline slop caused by bad U-joints
> if the drive shaft is loaded; you stand the chance of putting enough
> pressure on the pawl to lock up the transmission, or break the pawl,
> both of which make it hard, or impossible to shift the transmission.
> These are just two reasons that come to mind.
>
> ---
>
> Alan Hepburn | |
> National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
> Santa Clara, Ca | |
> alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:25:01 -0500 (EST)
From: onnie lynn winebarger
Subject: Re: F250 KingPin

On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Wade Abernathy wrote:

> I replaced the wheel bearings and got a lot of control back but I want to
> replace the kingpins
> and the bearings there also. Problem is, when I remove the tapered holding
> bolt and the top
> and bottom caps, the pin will not come out no matter how hard I strike it.
>
> disappointed ? Are they warped
> so bad that an act of god is the only thing that gets them out ?

I had a mechanic replace the kingpins in my '83 E-150. He said he
had do a lot of heating to get 'em out.

Lynn

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:42:48 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: $3500 more for Diesel than v10

I think I have decided to get the V10. But I am opening it up for one last
debate. The diesel is $3500 more than the V10. My reasons not to....

1.) Initial Cash
2.) V10 will pull camper just fine
3.) Cannot find Diesel Gas Conveniently. (Pass 4 stations on the way to work,
none of which have diesel).
4.) Improved Gas mileage(over 460) as noted by ford for the v10.
5.) If I at work for 16 hours in -30 temperature with the wind blowing, will it
start?
6.) Easier to find mechanic. Possibly less expensive parts.

Reasons for
Besides opposites of above
1.) More power
2.) Best Mileage
3.) Better Resale(prob not $3000 more though)

Thanks,

Daryl

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:27:12 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

My point is that exactly, the driver rides in comfort, he does not want
to get bounce around any more that he has to. So what is wrong with
wanting a good ride in a smaller truck just the same, yes maybe it has
to be done differently, an air cab or seat would be a bit far for a
consumer truck, but with today's computer technology, and other
suspension upgrades it should be possible to get a better ride than
FACTORY. That's all I was asking about, "how do I improve the ride" and
I get all these comments about it being a TRUCK. Hog wash, then why even
have springs and shocks at all if you want that TRACTOR like feeling.
The Big Boys want comfort and so do I. I may not be able to get it in
the same way or by the same means, but the goal, is the same.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com [SMTP:alanh galaxy.nsc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:16 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?
>
> > ...The over the road guys would never stand for a harsh ride in
> > their big rigs, read a Peterbuilt advertisement someday and you'll
> > find the words, "smooth comfortable ride" in there as a selling
> point.
>
> Look further in their specs and you'll find that the cab has an air
> suspension system built into it, and the driver's seat is air
> suspended
> as well. The truck rides like a Peterbilt, but the driver is in
> air suspended comfort. Put an air seat in your F250HD and your ride
> will smooth out a lot.
>
> ---
>
> Alan Hepburn |
> |
> National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME
> |
> Santa Clara, Ca |
> |
> alanh galaxy.nsc.com |
> |
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:36:47 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: $3500 more for Diesel than v10

5.) If I at work for 16 hours in -30 temperature with the wind blowing,
will it still start?
Yes it will start. It may take a bit of waiting for the glow plugs, Ford
and Navistar say "T 444E and Power Stroke guarantee unaided cold starts
down to -20 degrees Fahrenheit" I say that if that's what they say then
there must be a fudge factor built in.

6.) Easier to find mechanic. Possibly less expensive parts.

Nearly every ford dealer can work on a Powerstroke, and with it
being a T444E there are lost of parts for it. Go to you local NAPA and
ask for a filter for that V10 right now and they won't even have part
numbers most likely.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:43:32 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: If it fits you must.... not aquit???

> I think you missed the point of the thread. And being as you brought
> it up, a near level garage is not going to shear any parking pins.
> If it does, sell your Chevy and buy a Ford! (I couldn't resist!!)

I know the point of the thread was how to park in a garage; my point was
that it's a bad idea to get used to using the transmission as a parking
brake. If you get used to it, then you'll tend to use it all the time.
Like the time I had a U-joint on the point of failure and took it to
a shop for repair. The machanic could not find any slop in the joint,
and it wasn't until I had taken the time to drive back to his shop and
show him how to check it that he found out that you don't diagnose
driveline problems with the driveline loaded.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:11:38 -0500
From: Daryl.Rue entex.com (daryl rue)
Subject: Re:If it fits you must.... not aquit???

Does anyone have a ford truck at their disposal. I want to know how many inches
a bumper sticks out. Exactly. If it is 4" or less I can have a screen door in
my garage, If it is more, I can't.

Josh,

Can you order a vehicle without having it in the computer? Do they still have
order confirmation sheets then? Or how do you know you're truck has been put in
the que at ford? All this because I was just told that pricing would not be in
the computer for about 2 weeks.

Thanks,

Daryl

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:53:44 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: RE: Who says a truck must ride like a T R U C K ?

> My point is that exactly, the driver rides in comfort, he does not want
> to get bounce around any more that he has to. So what is wrong with
> wanting a good ride in a smaller truck just the same, yes maybe it has
> to be done differently, an air cab or seat would be a bit far for a
> consumer truck, but with today's computer technology, and other
> suspension upgrades it should be possible to get a better ride than
> FACTORY. That's all I was asking about, "how do I improve the ride" and
> I get all these comments about it being a TRUCK. Hog wash, then why even
> have springs and shocks at all if you want that TRACTOR like feeling.
> The Big Boys want comfort and so do I. I may not be able to get it in
> the same way or by the same means, but the goal, is the same.

The problem is that in order to get the payload capacity you need a
stiff suspension. A stiff suspension does not lend itself to a soft
ride. That's why medium duty trucks use air suspension in the seats
and heavy duty trucks use air suspension in the cabs. In a light
duty truck, which yours is, even though it's an F250HD, the cab is
mounted to the frame with rubber bushings, and the seat is bolted to
the cab. To soften the ride you need to soften the suspension, which
means lowering the payload capacity. Alternately, there are aftermarket
options that include changing the spring mounts to effectively soften
the springs when they're unloaded, or adding air bags to the springs,
although that doesn't work as well as the former option.

What it comes down to is: you either have to modify how the frame is
connected to the axles, or you have to modify how the seats are connected
to the frame. The manufacturers could do it at the factory, but would
the average consumer be willing to pay for it?

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Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:08:26 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: Re: Rough ride

At 10:43 PM 1/5/98 EST, you wrote:

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|I mean come on you bought a 250HD, they are made for work. They need that

|suspension for the work most people use them for. If you want a soft ride get

|a car or a light duty truck.

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I love the way my 74 F250 & my 66 F100 ride. What some people consider a "Rough Ride", I consider a good Solid Ride. I feel like I have more control, and a better "feel for the road conditions", I am driving on.




Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net

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Mesa, AZ

1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi
5-Speed.

1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.

1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long
Box, Style Side.

1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner,

Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.

My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"




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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:12:21, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: MSRP prices

Like Michael said, people will have to pay more for a hot seller. I
went and ordered a new Harley Davidson Sportster. The Harley dealers
all have the same price, so no dealing on that. It made it real fast
and easy. That is what car dealers should do, too.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:19:20, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Powerful Powerstrokes in Future?

On the '99 Power Strokes, HP is increased to about 235, and torque is
increased to a massive 500 lbs.-ft.

Josh

ps. I don't know how they would be less powerful!

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:27:29 EST
From: INGENERATE
Subject: Re: Powerful Powerstrokes in Future?

Yes, the new powerstrokes are supposed to be more powerful. I found this site....


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