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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, September 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 097



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In this issue:

Gearing [Jonathan.Burbank bull.com]
Use of Silicon brake fluid in ABS systems. [Tom and Amanda Lang
Gear Ratio of 3.07 for a 7.3L TD [Tom and Amanda Lang
Gear Ratio of 3.07 for a 7.3L TD [Tom and Amanda Lang
Re: Undercoating [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: Help regarding gear ratios? [PhilDyson aol.com]
Re: '96 F-150 Tranny [Jeff Fairbairn ]
Re: Use of Silicon brake fluid in ABS systems. ["Andy Bell"
Re: Ranger Emblems [Max Dooley ]
Bug shield cleaning [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: Bug shield cleaning [Jeff Fairbairn ]
Re: ADMIN: Voting form on-line [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Re: Ranger Emblems ["Mark J. Salvetti" ]
Re: ADMIN: Voting form on-line [ERI302 aol.com]
Re: Bug shield cleaning [ERI302 aol.com]
Re: Undercoating [Richard J Wilson ]
Re: Bug shield cleaning [ERI302 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #96 ["Lou Guerriero" ]

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 21:31:48 -0400
From: Jonathan.Burbank bull.com
Subject: Gearing

ON >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:10:33 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Ducks4jim aol.com
>Subject: Re: Help regarding gear ratios?
>
>Hello Group:
>
>Can any member(s) clarify the performance of the 3.55 vs. the 4.10
for larger trucks?

>My info. from informed sources is that the 4.10 is better for powerstrokes
>(assuming some heavy-duty use and some unloaded use), while the 3.55 is
probably >a better choice for a 460 or 350 gas motor.

>This is probably a relevant question that may help us all.

Here's my $.02 worth. I have the 4.1 and the automatic because i
occasionally tow a 10K trailer. The dealer correctly identified that as the
correct ratio (the difference is 8600 vs 10000 in the two tow ratings). In
retrospect I'm unhappy since I only occasionally tow the trialer and I have
no doubt that over the flat terrain where I tow the 3.55's would be fine.
The penalty for the 4.1's is very high rev's at normal highway speeds even
with the overdrive i.e 2400 75mph and 2-3mpg penalty at those speeds.
There is sure to be some penalty in engine life (10%???) Accelation with
the 4.1's is very brisk and quite acceptable.

Hope that helps.
JB
So my advise is unless you absolutely need the 4.1's don't get them.

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:48:41 -0400
From: Tom and Amanda Lang
Subject: Use of Silicon brake fluid in ABS systems.

I seem to have seen something regarding DOT 5--silicon brake fluid. It
should *not* be used in ABS systems--why not?? I personally love silicon
brake fluid--have used it in some classic vehicles. It does not absorb
moisture, hence no rusting of the brake system, and will not harm paint if
spilled on it. It is purple in color.

^^^^^^
(C o()o ?)
----

'To look into the eyes of an orangutan is to look into the soul of
humankind,' Dr Birut=E9 Galdikas.

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:55:29 -0400
From: Tom and Amanda Lang
Subject: Gear Ratio of 3.07 for a 7.3L TD

Wouldn't a gear ratio of 3.07 be "perfect" for a 7.3l TD with a manual
trans and 4wd? Reasoning--in fourth gear the RPM's would be about the same
as in fifth gear with a 4.10--therefore, for *really* heavy loads, keep it
in forth. Unloaded, use fifth. Start from 1st gear from stoplights, not
second gear. If hauling out a boat, shift into 4 low or *even* shift into
4 low (without loacking front hubs) to get rolling if have a really heavy
load. Comments???

^^^^^^
(C o()o ?)
----

'To look into the eyes of an orangutan is to look into the soul of
humankind,' Dr Birut=E9 Galdikas.

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:55:51 -0400
From: Tom and Amanda Lang
Subject: Gear Ratio of 3.07 for a 7.3L TD

Wouldn't a gear ratio of 3.07 be "perfect" for a 7.3L TD with a manual
trans and 4wd? Reasoning--in fourth gear the RPM's would be about the same
as in fifth gear with a 4.10--therefore, for *really* heavy loads, keep it
in forth. Unloaded, use fifth. Start from 1st gear from stoplights, not
second gear. If hauling out a boat, shift into 4 low or *even* shift into
4 low (without loacking front hubs) to get rolling if have a really heavy
load. Comments???

^^^^^^
(C o()o ?)
----

'To look into the eyes of an orangutan is to look into the soul of
humankind,' Dr Birut=E9 Galdikas.

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:57:24 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: Undercoating

Ziebart. . . . I took my '84 Ranger 4x4 there a year ago August. 6 months later, I
started examining the underside real closely, and discovered rust. What? that
shouldn't be there! I took it back mid-July, and they "examined it and sprayed what
needed resprayed," after first "pre-cleaning" it, which cost me an additional $25. I
got it home ( i live 25 miles from Ziebart), I and my father looked underneath, and
they only cleaned and reapplied where you could SEE it, that being the wheel wells.
Well, I took it back the same day and showed them, and the guy i was talking to agreed
it should've been cleaned better than that. I'm going to take it back this Sat. BUT,
when the guy was looking at it, I showed him some rust on the underside, and he asked
if I had paid for the Rust Eliminator. Yes, I did. He asked to see the warranty
papers, he nodded in approval, then got real quiet. I have a VERY STRONG feeling that
they did not do their job. Needless to say, they're going to get all heck when I go
over there this Sat.

That on top of a poor paint job. . . i just don't know if all I've put into my truck
will be any good. Oh well, just my experience. I would recommend Ziebart, but only
if they do what they are supposed to do. They are high priced too, but where else are
you going to get it?

Jerad Heffner
'84 Ranger 4x4, Std cab, long bed, nothing special (yet!)



Lou Guerriero wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Winter is around the corner, and I was wondering if you could help me with
> this:
>
> What is the best/cheapest undercoating? I have some kind of Bedliner
> stuff on the body, but I am concerened about the light surface rust
> starting to form on the fram rails, etc.
>
> Is oil the best bet for this? Or perhaps something like Rust Check or
> Ziebart?
>
> I just moved east from the west coast, and it's not as big of a concern
> out there.
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Lou.
>
> ][=====================================][
> ][ 1988 Bronco II ][
> ][=====================================][
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Help regarding gear ratios?

In a message dated 97-09-06 23:30:12 EDT, you write:


for 4x4 off road stuff as well as towing/hauling ?

Regards,
Hummer >>

I don't know if its better, but I've been doing it for 10 years now. I
tow my 28' 5th Wheel camper with my 18' Cajun bass boat hooked to the trailer
bumper. My truck is a 1986 F-150 long bed, 351W HO (last year for carb /
holley 4-bbl) Only the steepest grades really slow me down, and I haven't
run into one that I couldn't pull in second gear (C6 Auto). Of course I
haven't pulled this rig through Wolf Creek Pass..... yet.
I wore the motor out at 160,000 mi. and I'm rebuilding it for another
160,000. I don't get great gas milage (4x4's don't) but I get between 6-9
MPG towing the above rig. 11-12MPG unloaded.
My 2 cents,
Phil

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:51:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Fairbairn
Subject: Re: '96 F-150 Tranny

At 09:10 AM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>HELP - Occasionally I get a pretty good thunk/grab when the automatic
>transmission shifts into 2nd gear from a dead stop. Cannot pinpoint
>when it is going to happen. Every other shift is fine - on time and
>all. Like I said, it happens intermittantly. Question: Is this a
>potential problem or a problem now. I hate to spend the cash to have it
>looked at if I don't need too. I bought truck new & it has 38,000 miles
>on it. Haven't changed to trans oil yet but propably need to. Thanks
>for any help - guesses will be appreciated too.
>
>Jerry


Hi,

I had the same problem on my ,96 F-150 4x4. I had the shop replace the U
joint next to the rear diff.

Good luck,
Jeff
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:27:22 -0400
From: "Andy Bell"
Subject: Re: Use of Silicon brake fluid in ABS systems.

silicon brake fluid tends to swell the rubber parts in car and light truck
brake systems--------not a good idea

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> From: Tom and Amanda Lang
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Use of Silicon brake fluid in ABS systems.
> Date: Sunday, September 07, 1997 9:48 AM
>
> I seem to have seen something regarding DOT 5--silicon brake fluid. It
> should *not* be used in ABS systems--why not?? I personally love silicon
> brake fluid--have used it in some classic vehicles. It does not absorb
> moisture, hence no rusting of the brake system, and will not harm paint
if
> spilled on it. It is purple in color.
>
> ^^^^^^
> (C o()o ?)
> ----
>
> 'To look into the eyes of an orangutan is to look into the soul of
> humankind,' Dr Birut Galdikas.
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:06:08 -0400
From: Max Dooley
Subject: Re: Ranger Emblems

fwise juno.com wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is it just my imagination, or are the Ranger, XLT and Ford emblems held
> onto my '94 Ranger with something like foam rubber/neoprene? Regardless,
> does anyone have a simple (ha!), non-marring way to remove them?
>
> Also, does anyone have any recommendations on a muffler or cat-back
> system for my truck (3.0L, 5 speed, Supercab)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred Wise
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You can heat them with a hair dryer and they should peel right up.
However you might want to check for holes in the sheetmetal that
removeing the emblems will uncover.

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:11:11 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Bug shield cleaning

Does anyone know of a way to bring back that "like-new" appearance of
bug- and wind-deflector shields? Ours has that weathered, used look,
plus a big scratch from the garage door, but that's too embarrassing to
talk about, and we want to restore that initial shiny look.

any help would be appreciated.
Thanx
Jerad Heffner
'84 Ranger 4x4

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Fairbairn
Subject: Re: Bug shield cleaning

At 06:11 PM 9/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a way to bring back that "like-new" appearance of
>bug- and wind-deflector shields? Ours has that weathered, used look,
>plus a big scratch from the garage door, but that's too embarrassing to
>talk about, and we want to restore that initial shiny look.
>
>any help would be appreciated.
>Thanx
>Jerad Heffner
>'84 Ranger 4x4
>


Jerand

When that happened to mine I painted it to match the truck. Just pull it off
and hit with some spray paint.

Regards,
Jeff
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:54:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Voting form on-line

i think we should split into 3 list

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:15:36 -0400
From: "Mark J. Salvetti"
Subject: Re: Ranger Emblems

Fred Wise wrote:

>Is it just my imagination, or are the Ranger, XLT and Ford emblems held =
onto my '94 Ranger with something like foam >rubber/neoprene? =
Regardless, does anyone have a simple (ha!), non-marring way to remove =
them?
One way to remove stuck-on emblems is to use a piece of dental floss and =
work it under the adhesive. Then you can use something like 3M Adhesive =
Remover to clean up any remaining glue on the body.

Hope this helps!

Mark
1986 F-150

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: ERI302 aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Voting form on-line

yeah i think we should

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:02:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: ERI302 aol.com
Subject: Re: Bug shield cleaning

just try to find another one or buy another one

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:28:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Richard J Wilson
Subject: Re: Undercoating

Hi,

Don't have any suggestions, but am very interested. Living in Minnesota,
I see many vehicles rusted out. When vehicles are bought new, they are
supposed to be undercoated with some type of rust inhibiter. Zeiberts is
one place that does this.

I wish I knew what to do to prevent rust. If it's something that should
be done every couple years as a preventative measure thats fine, but I
have never heard that this should be done. I used to wash it regularly in
the winter to get the "salt" off, but this didn't seem to help much.

If I had a vehicle now with only a little bit of surface rust, I would
probably try and sand it off and at least put some primer on it. A truck
with primer spots doesn't look as bad as a truck with rust holes.

Have a nice day,

Richard

On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Lou Guerriero wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Winter is around the corner, and I was wondering if you could help me with
> this:
>
> What is the best/cheapest undercoating? I have some kind of Bedliner
> stuff on the body, but I am concerened about the light surface rust
> starting to form on the fram rails, etc.
>
> Is oil the best bet for this? Or perhaps something like Rust Check or
> Ziebart?
>
> I just moved east from the west coast, and it's not as big of a concern
> out there.
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> Lou.
>
> ][=====================================][
> ][ 1988 Bronco II ][
> ][=====================================][
>
> WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.easyinternet.net/louisg/
> E-mail: loug easyinternet.net
> ICQ UIN: 1235438
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>

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: ERI302 aol.com
Subject: Re: Bug shield cleaning

yeah just find another one or buy a new one
and im sure it would give u that new look

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:20:03 -0400
From: "Lou Guerriero"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #96

Hi,

Help me on this one! My steering lost it yesterday! I turned a corner,
and I noticed a little pull. The next corner I took, it didn't want to
come back.

It's pulling to the left like crazy! I'm taking to the shop today, but
want to know what it could be! The steering is way loose. It is very
scary to drive. The pwr str fluid was at the full cold level when hot, and
the hoses etc under the hosing were oily. The fluid itself smelled burnt.

I don't like this one! And I just had it in the shop for a tune....


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