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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, December 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 252



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In this issue:

351W to 429 Wedge Engine Swap [vpgreen ra.rockwell.com]
Weird starting problem. [Ken Payne ]
Weird starting problem. [Ken Payne ]
Re: Weird starting problem. ["Bob Leifer" ]
Re: Weird starting problem. [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #251 [Randy ]
Brakes [Midwest96 ]
Re: Chip [YIASCA ]
new subscriber-- 92 F150 Supercab [Derek Whiteside
Shortening the length of my manual transmissio shift shaft? ["R. Carson" ]
RE: Weird starting problem. ["Beaman, James" ]
Re: Brakes ["John D. Bowne" ]
Re: Shortening the length of my manual transmissio shift sha [bthomas Kol]
Re: Aerodynamics, the sequel [Chad Royse ]
Re: lowering shackles Q's [cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)]
RE: Weird starting problem. [Ken Payne ]
Re: Tire Chains [Dave Armbruster ]
Block heater ?s [Gamer2000 ]
Vacuum Booster ["Gary Snook" ]
Re:Lowering shackles Q's ["Jeff Wey" ]
Re: Weird starting problem. [Bakend ]

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:33:58 -0600
From: vpgreen ra.rockwell.com
Subject: 351W to 429 Wedge Engine Swap

Hi all,

I have just inherited a 1984 F-150 4x4 form a very close cousin who is now
deceased. This truck is in really nice shape with custom paint, a 6"
Rancho suspension lift, 3" body lift, 35"x12.50" Dunlop Radial Rovers, and
American Racing Wheels. Anyway my question is this - I have an opportunity
to purchase, from a good friend of mine (at a really good price) a 429
"Wedge" engine that has been rebuilt with new pistons, a RV cam (not sure
of cam manufacturer at this time) a Edelbrock "Torquer" intake manifold,
and a Holley 600cfm double pumper carb. Also If I go with this engine I am
getting a C6 transmision included with the deal. The tranny is stock, but
has no problems. I was thinking of having a shift kit and a stall converter
installed , after I have someone go through it for me (low RPM stall, and
fairly tame shift).

The truck currently has a 351W in it now. There are now problems with the
351W, in fact it is a damn strong engine for a small block. It is a stock
motor with headers being the only modification done to the motor. I was
wondering how difficult of a engine swap this would be? Also how do you
think a 429 would perform with the above modifications in this truck? Any
recomendations for C6 tranny shift kit and stall would be appericiated
also.

I am fairly new to Fords, but I am begining to become a loyal Ford "man".
I have a 1990 Ford Ranger 2wd that has been a very reliable truck. My plan
is to take this 84 F-150 and turn it into a show truck. This will take some
time and alot of money, but I really would like to see this truck done they
way my cousin would have liked it, since he never had the chance to finish
it out before he died. He really loved this truck, and I can see why - it
is a nice looking machine. I have plans to totally diamond plate the bed
and customize the interior. I hope that within the next couple of years
you'll see this truck in a 4x4 enthusiast magazine. I plan on attending 4x4
truck shows this summer just to get ideas on what is being done, and what I
might do. Any suggestions would be appericiated. I what to do this truck
up right, but I still want to be able to drive it. I don't want to have to
trailer it to shows. My plan is to try to start off in "street modified"
class and go from there. I think that my cousin would like for me to drive
and enjoy this truck just not make it so "showie" that I would be affraid
of getting the chrome dirty on it. Sorry for such a long message but I
really am quite excited about having this truck an fullfilling my cousin's
dream of having one damn nice truck he could be proud of!

Thanks,

Vic

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 10:33:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Weird starting problem.

Here's the deal:

This is not a constant problem...
When I start the truck, the truck starts cranking and suddenly
stop cranking. If I continue to hold the key in the start position
it will suddenly start cranking after a few seconds. Battery
has been checked, starter is less than a year old.

Any ideas? This driving me up the wall!

Ken

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:00:21 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Weird starting problem.

Here's the deal:

This is not a constant problem...
When I start the truck, the truck starts cranking and suddenly
stop cranking. If I continue to hold the key in the start position
it will suddenly start cranking after a few seconds. Battery
has been checked, starter is less than a year old.

Any ideas? This driving me up the wall!

Ken

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:50:19 -0500
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: Weird starting problem.

Ken,

Does the starter solenoid stay energized, or does it drop out and pull back
in again when the cranking restarts? If it stays in, did you measure the
voltage coming out of the solenoid? Maybe the cable from the solenoid has a
bad connection on one end or the other (if the solenoid contacts put out
good voltage).

Take Care,

Bob
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 4:02 PM
Subject: Weird starting problem.


>Here's the deal:
>
>This is not a constant problem...
>When I start the truck, the truck starts cranking and suddenly
>stop cranking. If I continue to hold the key in the start position
>it will suddenly start cranking after a few seconds. Battery
>has been checked, starter is less than a year old.
>
>Any ideas? This driving me up the wall!
>
>Ken
>
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:57:53 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: Weird starting problem.

Ken Payne wrote:
> When I start the truck, the truck starts cranking and suddenly
> stop cranking. If I continue to hold the key in the start position
> it will suddenly start cranking after a few seconds. Battery
> has been checked, starter is less than a year old.

Ken, I would check the cables very thoroughly. I have had
similar problems with a cable being corroded back inside the
insulation from the terminal end. Check both positive and
ground. Really sound like some kind of bad connection that makes
and breaks (break could be high resistance) Paul in Portland OR

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:01:08 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #251

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- ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:31:26 -0700
> From: Mark Ponsford
> Subject: [none]
>
> I've noticed that a number of requests going to the 80&up Ford mailing list
> are people searching for codes and info on gear ratios, drive train
> specifications and such. I was thinking that it would be handy if this
> commonly sought after info was available on the web somewhere. Alot of the
> info people are searching for is in the User Guides that come with your
> truck. Whats not there is usually found in the sales brochures.
>
> So, what I'm proposing to do is to collect as much of this info as I can
> and make it available from my web site.
>
> I'm not sure what would be the best way to collect this info, but I think
> the easiest way for me would be to have everyone use my '88 info as a
> template and have you modify it for what ever year Ford truck ('80 and
> later) you happen to have (or if you only have published info). Return the
> modified .html document via email to the address below with subject as
> "ford truck info". I'll post the results to
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://uviclib.uvic.ca/staff/mponsford/ford_trucks_info/default.html.
>
Mark, 4 wheel part wholesalers has a chart in the back of their catalog
charting gearing ratios with tire diameter. This may be a great place
to start.

- -Randy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:32:04 -0800
> From: Kjetil Grytnes
> Subject: Transmission Temperature
>
> From: Kjetil Grytnes, Norway
> I am driving an 91 E350 with 7.3L Diesel Engine, and is interested to
> monitor the transmission temperatur while driving. There is already
> a tempereture sensor in the transmission, sending a signal to the
> transmission computer. Does anyone have any idea how to use this signal
> for monitoring transmission temperatur, or is there any other good
> solution to this problem? It should be possible to measure the voltage
> signal, but it is not linear, as far as I know.
> As far as I know, the temperature in the transmission is critical, and
> I am often pulling a trailer.
> Thanks for any help.
>
Kjetil, I have some help for you (little as it may be, it is still
some). While I personally don't know of anyway to 'tap' off the sensors
wires (and if there's not a 'kit' to do so, it probably wouldn't be a
good idea), I do know of sources where you can by transmission
temperature gauges. Tranny temp is critical and long hauls in hilly
areas pulling/hauling heavy weight can increase it quickly. And along
with burning the fluid, you begin to 'burn' other things like bands, and
that's not a good thing. If you can call Summit (Ohio, usa) they can
set you up. 1-800-230-3030 (toll-free, which may be u.s. calls only) or
1-330-630-3030. Hope this helps 'a little'.

- -Randy

> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:22:30 -0700
> From: Dave Armbruster
> Subject: Re: Ranger Supercab Noise Problem
>
> I had a noise from my rear window about 3 or so months after buying the
> truck. Turned out that the seals that run up and down the vertical frame
> members of the sliding window had begun to deteriorate, allowing the
> sliding piece of glass to rattle around in it's frame. My dealer replaced
> the whole rear window, because there are little or no individual parts
> available for the window assembly. The only thing that we could really
> determine is that *maybe* the glass cleaner had caused it, it was replaced
> under warranty just the same.
>
> Dave
> '97 Ranger S/C 4x4

Dave, while I can neither confirm nor deny that the glass cleaner 'may'
have began the deterioration of your window seal, I find it highly
unlikely (although, I do admit, I don't have any other explanation at
this time). Any chemical that you put on a vehicle that can 'eat'
rubber is not one I'd want to be spraying around! :O

Randy

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:23:38 EST
From: Midwest96
Subject: Brakes

I have a question about anti-lock (reaer only):

On mine ('96F150 Short) and my friend's (''94 Ranger) we have rear anti
lock. We both have our brakes "lock up" intermittenly in damp weather. I
took mine back in and complained about this, and the fact that they squeal
(quite loudly) when it's hot and/or humid. The dealer told me there was
nothing that could be done, becasue they were semi-metallic. The squeal I can
live with, the lock-up I don't want to. When they are wet, I can apply the
brakes and at first they slip. Then they will grab, and grab hard enough to
lock up the wheels. Any ideas? Thanks in advance

Craig (Midwest96 aol.com)

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:38:32 EST
From: YIASCA
Subject: Re: Chip

Jet chips suck ass! Get the best at www.superchips.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:59:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Derek Whiteside
Subject: new subscriber-- 92 F150 Supercab

Hey.

my name is Derek Whiteside, and I live in Corvallis, OR. I just bought
a 92 F150 XLT 2wd Supercab w/ 45000 miles. It has the 5speed, mated to
the 300-I6.

So far, I like the truck a lot, but, of course, I have a few questions.

1)What kind of transmission is the 5 speed? Is it a good one? What is
typical clutch life?

2)Has anyone else noticed that the Climate control temp knob is
difficult to turn, sorta feels spongy/inconsistent?

3)I had a dealership check the vehicle out today, they told me that it
needs a number of things, including a new O2 sensor and a Fuel
Injector cleaning.

I told them to hold off on the O2 sensor, since they wanted 90 bucks
for the part, and 56.00 labor. until I get a TSM, can someone tell me
how difficult it is to change the O2 sensor? Where is it? Near where
the exhaust manifold meets the exhaust pipe?

Regarding the FI cleaning, does this sound like something that should
need to be done at 45000 miles? Anyone have any homebrew suggestions?

Thanks, and I look forward to the receiving some of the wealth of
information that is collectively stored here.

Cheers,

Derek Whiteside
derekw rocketmail.com
Corvallis, OR






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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:08:41 -0500
From: "R. Carson"
Subject: Shortening the length of my manual transmissio shift shaft?

I have a 98 Ranger Ext Cab 2.5L with a manual tranny. Ford made a serious
design flaw which leaves the shift knob directly in front of the
temperature control buttons, especially when in 5th gear.

I want to shorten the length of the shift shaft by 2 inches. Is this
easily done and if so now?

Thanks,

Ron

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:51:34 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Weird starting problem.

Ken wrote:

> Here's the deal:
>
> This is not a constant problem...
> When I start the truck, the truck starts cranking and suddenly
> stop cranking. If I continue to hold the key in the start position
> it will suddenly start cranking after a few seconds. Battery
> has been checked, starter is less than a year old.
>
> Any ideas? This driving me up the wall!
>
I assume that other than that, the truck is running fine so this may not
apply to you. Last month, my '92 F-250, 5.8 EFI, 80k miles, started
missing and finally would not start. But occasionally, it would turn
over and suddenly stop cranking. It turned out the fuel pressure
regulator had failed and was flooding the cylinders with so much fuel
that it was creating a hydraulic lock. After a second, the fuel would
drain out (probably into the crankcase) and I could crank again until it
locked again. So you might think about a small hydraulic lock from some
area (not necessarily the fuel) that holds the engine up for just a
short time. After replacing this regulator, the plugs, and changing the
oil, my hwy mileage at 65 mph went from a best of 18 up to 21 mpg.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas.

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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:36:37 -0800
From: "John D. Bowne"
Subject: Re: Brakes

Just an idea about the lockup in your rear brakes.

I had a leak in the rear seal(s) in my '90 F250 and it had a very similar
reaction. When the truck was cold on low traction surfaces (gravel in my
case), a light touch of the brakes would cause them to lock up.

The local dealer called it a driveline failure and replaced both rear seals
and all of the rear brake shoes for the $100 deductible. Solved the problem
completely.

Good Luck,

johnbo

At 06:23 PM 12/4/97 EST, you wrote:
>I have a question about anti-lock (reaer only):
>
> On mine ('96F150 Short) and my friend's (''94 Ranger) we have rear anti
>lock. We both have our brakes "lock up" intermittenly in damp weather. I
>took mine back in and complained about this, and the fact that they squeal
>(quite loudly) when it's hot and/or humid. The dealer told me there was
>nothing that could be done, becasue they were semi-metallic. The squeal I
can
>live with, the lock-up I don't want to. When they are wet, I can apply the
>brakes and at first they slip. Then they will grab, and grab hard enough to
>lock up the wheels. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
>
>Craig (Midwest96 aol.com)
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>

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:06:49 -0500
From: bthomas Kollsman.com
Subject: Re: Shortening the length of my manual transmissio shift sha

Fire up the "red wrench" and apply to the appropriate section of the
shaft.Re-bend to the position you want.
Every floor shift vehicle I've owned has had this "adjustment" done to it.


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Subject: Shortening the length of my manual transmissio shift shaf...
Author: "R. Carson" at KOLLSMAN
Date: 12/5/97 12:08 AM




I have a 98 Ranger Ext Cab 2.5L with a manual tranny. Ford
made a serious
design flaw which leaves the shift knob directly in front of
the
temperature control buttons, especially when in 5th gear.
I want to shorten the length of the shift shaft by 2 inches.
Is this
easily done and if so now?
Thanks,
Ron
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:39:32 -0800
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: Aerodynamics, the sequel

My 97 F250 Upercab Longbed doesn't.

Beaman, James wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
> > I did some comparisons with my truck when i first bought the ranger
> > and it
> > got better MPG with the tailgate down then with the gate up and was
> > quicker
> > in the 0-60mph
> >
> As I posted before, I think this varies with factors such as cab length
> and height, bed length, etc. My '92 F-250 supercab longbed gets better
> mileage with the tailgate up.
>
> > its proven fact if you want better than that buy a bed cover!
> >
> Yes, I agree that a bed cover (w/tailgate up) should improve the mileage
> of either configuration.
>
> James Beaman
> james.beaman lmco.com
> Houston, Texas
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 06:44:30 -0500
From: cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)
Subject: Re: lowering shackles Q's

Where did you get your lowering shackles I would like to get some for my
94 Splash?
Changing them should not be hard. Hope not!
On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:46:55 -0500 Luke Wells writes:
>How hard is it to put on 2" lowering shackles on a 96 for Ranger
>Splash
>thanks
>
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:28:19 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: Weird starting problem.

At 03:51 PM 12/4/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Ken wrote:
>
>> Here's the deal:
>>
>> This is not a constant problem...
>> When I start the truck, the truck starts cranking and suddenly
>> stop cranking. If I continue to hold the key in the start position
>> it will suddenly start cranking after a few seconds. Battery
>> has been checked, starter is less than a year old.
>>
>> Any ideas? This driving me up the wall!
>>
>I assume that other than that, the truck is running fine so this may not
>apply to you. Last month, my '92 F-250, 5.8 EFI, 80k miles, started
>missing and finally would not start. But occasionally, it would turn
>over and suddenly stop cranking. It turned out the fuel pressure
>regulator had failed and was flooding the cylinders with so much fuel
>that it was creating a hydraulic lock. After a second, the fuel would
>drain out (probably into the crankcase) and I could crank again until it
>locked again. So you might think about a small hydraulic lock from some
>area (not necessarily the fuel) that holds the engine up for just a
>short time. After replacing this regulator, the plugs, and changing the
>oil, my hwy mileage at 65 mph went from a best of 18 up to 21 mpg.
>
>James Beaman
>james.beaman lmco.com
>Houston, Texas.

Actually, its a co-worker's truck. He typed the message.
I've checked it seems he even put my name on the message!
Well, anyways, he did tell me that it runs fine other than
the starting problem. I'll forward the responses and see
if I can dig up more info. Its an early 90s F series, but
I'm not sure which year.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:43:11 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: Tire Chains

This is only my personal opinion, but if my tire chains come loose, I am
less worried about it tearing up my fender, and more worried it might catch
something more vital (not that any possibility is desirable). I have am
not sure what the Ford dealer is worried about, but I wonder if it isn't
more safety rather than the cosmetic.

my $.02,
Dave
Denver, CO - where you, too, can use your chains in October

>I'm only speculating on this but I bet they are concerned that if the chain
>comes loose and whips around, it will tear through the fiberglass fender.
>
>
>Dave

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:10:05 EST
From: Gamer2000
Subject: Block heater ?s

Does anyone know the way your supposed to install a tank circulation ( the
kind thats a little tank that mounts externally from the engine and connects
to the engine drain plug for imput and then connects to one of the heatercore
hoses) type block heater? My specific question is what heater hose should the
output of the heater goto; the water pump of the connection by the top of the
engine?
The directions were unclear and Im confused.
Its on a 87 ford Ranger with a 2.9L v-6
Thankyou.
Mike
Gamer2000 aol.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:47:37 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: Vacuum Booster

I had 2 boosters go out (Older vehicles) because the transmission vacuum
modulator went bad, and leaked hydraulic fluid into the brake booster. The
modulator line tee'd into the booster's inlet fitting.

Gary

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:38:20 -0500
From: "Jeff Wey"
Subject: Re:Lowering shackles Q's

Christopher,Pick up either a Truckin or Minitruckin Magazine there are
probably at least 5 different places to get shackles for a ranger. I would
suggest a flip kit though.2" shackles really dont lower the ranger a lot
you will still have a large tire gap.to get my splash to sit level I used a
flip kit from AIM industry check out their web site www.aimind.com .If you
have any other Q's feel free to E-mail me direct Jeff jwey valkyrie.net

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 05:25:21 EST
From: Bakend
Subject: Re: Weird starting problem.

In a message dated 97-12-05 05:17:04 EST, you write:


Date:97-12-05 05:17:04 EST
From:james.beaman lmco.com (Beaman, James)....


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