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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, November 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 243



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In this issue:

Re: 351M/400 Years ["Roy Preston" ]
New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4 ["Mary Kay Jacobson" ]
351C in Ford Trucks ["Gary Snook" ]
Re: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4 [YIASCA aol.com]
Re: 3.0L Headers [fwise juno.com]
Re: transmission [silent.bob juno.com]
Re: Headers [silent.bob juno.com]
Timing adjustments on EEC-IV Ignition? [Jayme Uldarico Newell
Fuel Injection [abbott ]
Re: 87 Ranger [george cummings ]
Re: New Address [Ken Payne ]
Re: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4 [george cummings ]
Ranger shift kits [BiggRanger aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #242 [Iguannna aol.com]
2.9 upkeep replies: ["S. HALL" ]
Re: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4 ["Ulysses Samilo" ]

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:43:18 -0500
From: "Roy Preston"
Subject: Re: 351M/400 Years

The 351 M was used in trucks from 1977 - 1979 and the 400 was used from
1978 - 1981.

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> From: abbott
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: 351M/400 Years
> Date: Friday, November 28, 1997 11:23 AM
>
> When did ford discontinue the 351M/400's in the F-Series, I'm guessing
81/82.
> Thanks
> -Tyler-
> Tyler
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:15:15 -0600
From: "Mary Kay Jacobson"
Subject: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4

My husband and I are about to purchase a 1998 Ford Ranger Supercab 4X4 XLT.
It has the luxury package - we're planning on adding a bed liner and the
wiring package to haul our boat. Question for all of you. Both of us have
driven manual shifts for many years, and this particular truck (which has
everything else we want on it) has 5 speed overdrive automatic. Is the
automatic more reliable than it once was, and is it worth the extra $1105?
By the way - the truck also has the 4 liter, 6 cylinder engine. The list
price after factory discounts is $22,470. We have a trade in (1996 Chevy
S-10 Extended Cab, manual, air conditioning, 4X2 with 30,000 miles on it)
which they are offering us $11,708 as trade. When we add tax (6.5%) and
the bedliner and wiring package, we would be financing about $11,800. If
we don't take the $1,000 rebate, we can take advantage of the 2.9%
financing which is cheaper in the long run than the rebate. Anybody have
any thoughts about whether or not we're getting a good deal? We live up in
northern Minnesota where there is lots of snow, plus my husband is a hunter
and a fisherman, so the 4X4 (rather than 2X4) seems worth the extra dollars
at this point.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:54:10 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: 351C in Ford Trucks

I do not know about F Series for sure, but I think some F series had 4 bolt
351C's in them. I know for sure there were 351C's in Ranchero's, and they
had unique C6's behind them. The 351C used a different bolt pattern than
the big blocks, and the C6's behind the Clevland's had to match. The FMX
and C4's that were found behind most Clevlands didn't stand up nearly as
good as the C6 did, but the C6's were very hard to find. The Clevland's in
Ranchero's were also all 4 bolt main blocks, and most also came with a 9"
Limited slip rear end.

Gary

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:54:25 -0500 (EST)
From: YIASCA aol.com
Subject: Re: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4

well yeah go get the new Ranger---but i would get a spray in BED LINER, those
bed liners you drop in suck hard! If you have lots of snow and rain get the
spray in BED LINER about $300 or so and you'll never have any rust (you
would if you have a drop in bed liner)in the bed. Also if you lay something
in the bed the item stays there and doesn't slide around. Yeah the
automatics now are the best! never worry about those cheap clutches..

dave

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:09:29 -0600
From: fwise juno.com
Subject: Re: 3.0L Headers

On Friday, 28 Nov, YIASCA aol.com wrote:

>does any one make a good set of HEADERS for a 94-98 Ford Ranger Splash
3.0L
truck? I have made numerous mods to my ranger and i'm looking for a
little
better power!

The January 98 issue of Super Ford Magazine said that "4.0 Performance"
made a set of headers for the 3.0. I called them [(805)925-8848] and
inquired. They said that they don't know where Super Ford got that info,
but they will be offering such a set sometime in January. They will be
"shorty" style non-equal length, with inch and a half primaries, and sell
for about $280.

I was sorry to hear that they will not be long tube type, but they are
the only company I have heard of that has any plans for 3.0 headers.

Let us know how they work if you get a set.

Fred Wise
94 Ranger Supercab 3.0L

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:49:47 -0600
From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: transmission

On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) JOUZA1 aol.com writes:
>Can sombody tell me exactly what a shift kit does. Is it a good thing
>to
>have and is it a available for a manual transmission.

A shift kit is a good way to screw up your trany IMHO. But in a nut
shell, you
can have your automatic shift soft, medium, or hard.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:55:45 -0600
From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: Headers

On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:13:24 -0500 (EST) JOUZA1 aol.com writes:
>I was told if you put headers on you have to change the gaskets evry 6
>months. Is this true? I was also told if your truck is an evry day
>driver
>headers will ruin your engine is this true?


Sounds like someone is feeding you a bunch of horse poop. If a Ch*vy
owner told
you this, then yes, its true because its true for chebby owners. :)

But as long as you have good gaskets and the header bolts on tight, you
wont
have any problems.

As far as headers ruining your engine... ...I don't see the connection.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:35:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Jayme Uldarico Newell
Subject: Timing adjustments on EEC-IV Ignition?


I have an '88 Ford Ranger and I just checked the timing, it appears
to be firing at 8 degrees BTDC. Chilton's
manual calls for it to fire at 10 degrees BTDC.
The Ranger has a 2.9L fuel inj. engine, so I'm assuming that it has the
EEC-IV (TFI) ignition system. According to the manual, no adjustment is
required to the ignition system due to it being computer controlled.
Well if this is the case should I worry that it is 2 degrees off from
what is called for on the factory sticker?

What is the timing supposed to look like on the pulley?
Going clockwise I think I saw a "10 - - - - - -" with the pointer
where 8 would be counting each "-" as 1. Is this right? If so the
pointer should be at the last notch then if I am correct...

Thanks alot!

Jayme U. Newell

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:41:53 -0800
From: abbott
Subject: Fuel Injection

>From a 1990 4WD magizine, I learned FORD introduced Fuel Injection to the
F-Series in different years. 302 in 85, 300 in 87 and 351 & 460 in 88. Is
this all right? Also I saw a 84 Bronco II in the paper, when did Ford
introduce Injection to the Mid size trucks?
Thanks
- -Tyler-
Tyler

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:29:56 -0600
From: george cummings
Subject: Re: 87 Ranger

Craig Atkisson wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have 87' ranger with a 2.9, I have 108,000 miles on it. I had the clutch
> replaced about a 1 1/2 yrs ago...when iam down shifting to 3rd it makes a
> kinda grinding noise, its to noticeable but annyoning, 2nd gear is by far
> the worse of the two gears, and I have the clutch all the way to the floor.
> What can I do to make my down shifting more smoothly? My next question is I
> have a nosie piston on the passanger side....and it only is noise when I
> have to foot on gas going down the street, I realize that its has 108,000
> miles on it and its gonna make some noises, but is there anyway to quite it
> down? also it dosen't burn an ounce of oil:)
>
> Thanks,
> Craig
> marvin1 sttl.uswest.net
>
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Dear Craig,

What I have found out about my Ranger with the transmission, is
the synrconizing gear in the transmission will go out in second gear.
This will cause the transmission to grind, and pop out of gear. You
might qant to have that checked out. George

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:31:42 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: New Address

At 07:20 AM 11/26/97 -0600, you wrote:
>At 01:10 PM 11/25/97, you wrote:
>>
>>I have a new e-mail address do I just post it in an e-mail here? My old
>>one will forward to my new for a couple of weeks, so what do I do????
>>HELP!!!
>>I asked yesteday and got no reply.
>>
>When I changed email addresses, I went to the web page and uns*bscr*bed the
>old one and s*bscr*bed the new one. If you don't have web access there may
>be a way to do it with list server commands ( but I don't know how..)
>
>Kevin

The FAQ on the web site has complete instructions for manual
unsubscribed.

Ken

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:40:48 -0600
From: george cummings
Subject: Re: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4

Mary Kay Jacobson wrote:
>
> My husband and I are about to purchase a 1998 Ford Ranger Supercab 4X4 XLT.
> It has the luxury package - we're planning on adding a bed liner and the
> wiring package to haul our boat. Question for all of you. Both of us have
> driven manual shifts for many years, and this particular truck (which has
> everything else we want on it) has 5 speed overdrive automatic. Is the
> automatic more reliable than it once was, and is it worth the extra $1105?
> By the way - the truck also has the 4 liter, 6 cylinder engine. The list
> price after factory discounts is $22,470. We have a trade in (1996 Chevy
> S-10 Extended Cab, manual, air conditioning, 4X2 with 30,000 miles on it)
> which they are offering us $11,708 as trade. When we add tax (6.5%) and
> the bedliner and wiring package, we would be financing about $11,800. If
> we don't take the $1,000 rebate, we can take advantage of the 2.9%
> financing which is cheaper in the long run than the rebate. Anybody have
> any thoughts about whether or not we're getting a good deal? We live up in
> northern Minnesota where there is lots of snow, plus my husband is a hunter
> and a fisherman, so the 4X4 (rather than 2X4) seems worth the extra dollars
> at this point.
>
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Well number one your going from a Chevy to a Ford, that is always a
good thing. Here in Memphis Tn the 4x4 Ford Ranger with the luxury
package and extended cab retails about $23.000. The 4.0 liter engine is
a very good engine for the Ranger, plus the Ranger has been proven to
outlast the s-10. I personally think that it is a good deal, but you
have to realize that the tax down here is 8%. I think that since you
have a strong trade, then you need to go with the 2.9% apr. I just
bought a 97 Ranger Splash for $17,500, and they retail $21,000 here. I
had a pretty good trade also, I wish they offer the 2.9% apr when I
bought mine! I hope that you have good luck, see ya, George

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:37:56 -0500 (EST)
From: BiggRanger aol.com
Subject: Ranger shift kits

I have installed a shift kit from Shift Technology products on my Ranger. I
feel it works great, I have a 2.3L turbo with the A4LD trans (converted to
4x4) moving my truck with 4.11's a Dana 60 in back and a Dana 44 in front
with 35" tires. So far I have 20,000 miles on the trans with the mods and the
fluid doesn't even look bad. If you re adding the shift kit to a 4 cyl A4LD
(yes they are different! smaller servos, less clutch packs, and different
valving) try to get servo's from a V6 trans. But this kit does firm up
shifts, and will extend the life of the trans by not allowing the trans to
slip as much (ie overdrive and reverse which are weak). I also reccomend
adding a trans cooler to the trans even if you don't plan on adding a shift
kit. The stock cooler in the rdiator doesn't do a good enough job even with a
stock 2.3L.

The address of the place is:
Shift Technology Products
Route 4, Box 389-C
Tallahassee, FL 32304
(904)575-7155

If you have any questions on the install I will try to put a special trans
section on my page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/BiggRanger or you can e-mail me at
BiggRanger aol.com

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:37:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #242

In a message dated 97-11-29 06:08:22 EST, you write:


Subject: Re: oil

You (Iguannna) wrote:
> I never change my oil, just change the filter every year or so. My 2.3
Ranger
> burns a quart every 500-1000 miles (depends on how much mercy I give it)
so I
> am always changing it. It has been this way for more than a couple years
now.

Greetings. As "silly" as that may sound... Saturn told us that our 92 SL2
burning a quart every 1000 miles was "normal for this engine"... So much for
the advantage of a 4-cycle engine over the 2-cycle engine... [sigh]

The most ironic aspect of this story is that just about every "evironmental"
major at University of Pittsburgh drives a blue-smoke-belching-oil-burning
82-86 Honda Accord... I can't help but smile every time they drive by. Duh!

Take care.
>>
My truck has a lot of hard miles on it cause it only has two throttle
positions, idle and full. I never see the smoke and it doesn't drip, I just
assume it is burning it, I think it has some blow by and it is getting burned
under heavy load, which is also normal load lol! It a lot cheaper to buy
oil then rebuild and engine. I only drive 6000 miles a year so this is no
big deal.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:59:45 -0700
From: "S. HALL"
Subject: 2.9 upkeep replies:

Again, thanks to everyone for the help and replies!
-Mark, you wanted to know where I bought the engine, etc...
It was purchased (through Checkers Auto) from a company
called Spartan. It was about $1700 minus $400 core charge
plus another $100 fo the 3year/36000 mile warranty arriving
at about $1400. (Ouch!)
I believe any Checkers Auto should be able to order the engine
for you if you should decide to take the same route... You might
want to wait till' I get it in and see how she runs beforehand tho!
(I sincerely hope "she" runs like she used to!)
-Clay, I'm glad to offer any help I can with your Bronco II
I hope it goes well for you, I have a question for you:
Does your Bronc have the quick release fuel lines? If yes
did you have the tool needed? -I don't have it and these lines
are holding up progress! I'll be checking my mail every other day
now so my replies won't take so long and I'll be on a better machine
so I won't get the stutters this mail has. Thanks again to all for the
help,

-Sam H.

(shall nmsu.edu)
(1987 Ranger XLT 4X4 Supercab)

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:56:44 -0800
From: "Ulysses Samilo"
Subject: Re: New 1998 Ford Ranger 4X4

- ----------
> From: Mary Kay Jacobson
>
> My husband and I are about to purchase a 1998 Ford Ranger Supercab 4X4
XLT.
> It has the luxury package - we're planning on adding a bed liner and the
> wiring package to haul our boat. Question for all of you. Both of us
have
> driven manual shifts for many years, and this particular truck (which has
> everything else we want on it) has 5 speed overdrive automatic. Is the
> automatic more reliable than it once was, and is it worth the extra
$1105?

I think the automatic has come a long way. Fords in particular? I don't
know but it sure seems like it. I just bought the 98 4x4 XLT with the 4.0
and all the trimmings. Lots of power for towing. As far as automatic
versus manual, it is my humble opinion that it is much easier to tow using
an automatic and easier to control the vehicle 4xing off road with a manual
tranny. I therefore got the manual since I off road more than I tow.

> The list
> price after factory discounts is $22,470. We have a trade in (1996 Chevy
> S-10 Extended Cab, manual, air conditioning, 4X2 with 30,000 miles on it)....


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