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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, November 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 238



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In this issue:

Pealing paint on 1990 [Milo Mirabelli ]
Wandering F150 [Kevin Lindstedt ]
Re: Stereo removal on Rangers [Eric W Sneed ]
Filtercharger [JOUZA1 aol.com]
re: Super Duty Axle Ratio [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
re: Super Duty Axle Ratio [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
axle code question [STHIBODE spf.nsc.com]
Re: Question about '84 f-150 ["Dave Resch"]
Coldair induction [JOUZA1 aol.com]
Re: Liter sizes [jwshouse juno.com (James W Shouse)]
New Address [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Radios on Rangers [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Re: Radios on Rangers ["Bryce T. Beyler" ]
302 and 351 external differences [Mobleaudio aol.com]
Re: Wandering F150 [PhilDyson aol.com]
Re: axle code question [PhilDyson aol.com]
Mobleaudio aol.com: 302 and 351 external differences [bmrickman juno.com ]
4.0L engine dress-up parts ["freitag" ]
RE: Radios on Rangers [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: New Address [jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net]
www.ford ranger. com [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: RE: Stereo removal on Rangers [Psnowball aol.com]
Question on F150 Brakes [peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)]
Re: www.ford ranger. com [cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)]
Re: 4.0L engine dress-up parts [cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)]
Re: www.ford ranger. com [silent.bob juno.com]
Re: 2.9 valve covers [ILuvTruks aol.com]
Re: Pealing paint on 1990 ["Roy Preston" ]
Re: Question on F150 Brakes [Dc9315 aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:13:11 -0800
From: Milo Mirabelli
Subject: Pealing paint on 1990

Are there any 90 truck owners out there that are having problems with
the dark gray paint falling off their rigs? Mine is a F250 Diesel 4x4
and my neighbor has the same problem with his 90 F150 4x2. I was told
by Ford that there was a recall several years ago and that I'am to late
to have anything done about mine.

Milo

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:57:28 -0600
From: Kevin Lindstedt
Subject: Wandering F150

Hi all, I'm new to the '80 and up list - I've been on the 1961-1979 list
for awhile. I just purchased a 1986 F150 XLT Lariat with 300ci I6, auto
trans and only 56,000 miles. However, driving my new pride and joy home
last night, I found that it wanders on the highway. Question is - what are
the causes and cures for wandering? Thanks in advance for any help.

Kevin Lindstedt
1986 F150 XLT Lariat 300ci/auto
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:16:34 -0800
From: Eric W Sneed
Subject: Re: Stereo removal on Rangers

You can also purchase this tool at PeP boys.




Bob Fiddes wrote:
>
> They make a special tool that is "U" shaped that fit into the two holes on
> each side of the unit. When inserted, it move some retaining clips back
> and allow the unit to easily slide out. Crutchfield has the tools for
> removal and they are about $10.00. I have often times used small allen
> wrenches but they don't work nearly as well as the tools I got when I
> purchased a new stereo from Crutchfield. If you contact them, I am sure
> you can purchase them.
>
> Bob
>
> At 09:15 AM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >I had a six disc changer in my 92 Ranger, and I pulled it out and now I
> >want to put it in my 96 Ranger. My problem is I barely got the wires
> >unplugged off my 92, because I couldnt remove the deck. I managed to
> >get my hand behind it and unplug it, but it was not easy and I seriously
> >doubt I can plug them in my 96 without pulling the deck out first. I'm
> >sure a lot more of you have more experience with stereos than I do. How
> >can I go about removing the stock deck? Putting the cd player in is
> >relatively easy as long as I can get through this barrier.
> >
> >see ya,
> >Brett
> >brettg obrien.com
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:52 -0500 (EST)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: Filtercharger

In The January issue of Sport Truck i saw a Filtercahrger injection
performance kit to fit 95 explorers with 4.0 V6. I was wondering if this
would also fit a 93 4.0 in a ranger. And if not would it adapt easily to it.


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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:15:41, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Super Duty Axle Ratio

The only axle ratio available with the 7.3L in a 1999 F250 is 3.73.
It should have the same towing capacity because the 7.3L will have
MORE power!

Josh

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:20:48, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Super Duty Axle Ratio

One more thing....

On the 1999 F350, the available axles are 3.73 or 4.10 limited slip.
The 4.10s are only offered with the F350, not the F250.
With an F450 or F550 cab chassis, you can get a 4.88 ratio with a 7.
3L.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:04:10 -0500 (EST)
From: STHIBODE spf.nsc.com
Subject: axle code question

Howdy,

Looking for the details on what "C3" axle code represents. This is on
a 1985 F250 4x4. I have the listing for the 86 trucks but they don't
list "C3". Any input would be appreciated...

thanks,
Steve Thibodeau
86 F150 XLT 4x2
85 F250 4x4
80 Bronco

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:31:10 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Question about '84 f-150

>From: "Voodoo Chile"
>Subject: Question about '84 f-150
>
>Are there any after market or currently available parts to mount
>a 351m/400 in an '84 f-150? The truck had a 302 originally and
>the motor mounts are identical, the problem I am having is that
>the oil pan won't clear the crossmember.

Yo VC:

What was the source of the M-block engine you are installing in your
pickup? Does it have the late model front sump oil pan? If it was
originally from an '80-83 pickup, it should fit w/ no problems (if the
engine mounts are, indeed, identical).

I don't know about 302 engine mounts, but perhaps the mounts need to be
taller for the M-block engine to allow the oil pan to clear the
crossmember. You could try to find a '80-83 truck in a junk yard that was
originally equipped with the M-block engine and scavenge the engine mounts
from it. Also, engine mounts may be different for 4x4 and 4x2 trucks.
Engine mounts in the '80-83 4x4 trucks were integral with (i.e., riveted
to) the crossmember.

M-block engines from earlier pickups ('79-back) and cars might use a
different oil pan that will not fit in your truck.

BTW: The 351M/400 was discontinued after the 1983 model year, so swapping
in an older engine in your pickup may not be emissions legal, depending on
your local laws.

Good luck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:53:25 -0500 (EST)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: Coldair induction

I was wondering if Cold Air induction and Ram Air is basically the same
thing. if it is wich is better and were can i order one for a 93 4.0 in a
ranger. If they are the same again were can i buy one for the same truck?

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:51:53 -0600
From: jwshouse juno.com (James W Shouse)
Subject: Re: Liter sizes

For persons who are having trouble visualizing liter displacement sizes,
the following may help.
Obtain four one-liter size plastic soda bottles.
Cut the top off each one where the bottle begins to narrow toward the
cap.
Set them on the counter in a line..
Visualize each as one cylinder in a 4.0 liter engine.
The diameter of the bottle will approximate the piston diameter in the
engine.
Visualize the piston of that size moving from the bottom to the top of
each cylinder.
For a 2.0 liter 4 engine, cut each bottle in two at the midpoint.
Now you have 4 1/2-liter cylinders.
Visualize as above.
To make a 4.0 liter V-8, cut all four bottles in half and arrange in a
V-8 formation.
For those of you who have never seen the interior of an engine, I'll bet
the pistons are a lot smaller than you thought.

Jim in San Antonio












Jim in San Antonio
jwshouse Juno.com jwshouse wans.net
The RV Club #R-CHAR-00092 Newmar Owners' Club #5777
1995 Dodge Ram 2500HD Club cab V10
1995 Newmar Kountry Aire 5th-wheel triple-slide

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 13:10
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: New Address

I have a new e-mail address do I just post it in an e-mail here? My old
one will forward to my new for a couple of weeks, so what do I do????
HELP!!!
I asked yesteday and got no reply.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 12:42
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Radios on Rangers

Now don't flame me on this but on my 93' I used 4 nails to get mine out.
You just have to be carefull and (I love this term) use the gentle force
method. Pulled mine out without a scratch, honest.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:20:50 -0500
From: "Bryce T. Beyler"
Subject: Re: Radios on Rangers

I've used two peices of coat hanger wire bent in a U shape, too...It worked
in py '97 Ranger and in our '95 Contour.

Bryce
'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab

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> From: Cassis, John
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: Radios on Rangers
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:00 AM
>
>
> Now don't flame me on this but on my 93' I used 4 nails to get mine out.

> You just have to be carefull and (I love this term) use the gentle force

> method. Pulled mine out without a scratch, honest.
>
> John Cassis
> The Danger Ranger
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:44:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Mobleaudio aol.com
Subject: 302 and 351 external differences

How can you tell the difference between a 302 f.i and a 351w f.i without
pulling the motors apart and checking the stroke. The plenum doesn't say 5.8
on it. I'm wondering if the engine sitting in my garage is a 302 or a 351.
If anyone has part numbers for the exhaust manifolds for a 351w out of a
1990 f/s Bronco, if they are different from a 302, that would help too.
TIA,

Mobleaudio aol.com
Leslie Zettler
88 f/s Bronco xlt 302 f.i auto 4"rancho with 33's (soon to be 350 hp 351w
f.i[i think] with 6" skyjacker and 36's)
86 f/s Bronco 300 auto stock
86 Trans Am mild custom
78 Caprice (parts car)
77 Impala (street sleeper project)
69 Camaro (in boxes)

So many projects, so little money

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:50:02 -0500 (EST)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Wandering F150

In a message dated 97-11-25 10:01:07 EST, you write:


Hi all, I'm new to the '80 and up list - I've been on the 1961-1979 list
for awhile. I just purchased a 1986 F150 XLT Lariat with 300ci I6, auto
trans and only 56,000 miles. However, driving my new pride and joy home
last night, I found that it wanders on the highway. Question is - what are
the causes and cures for wandering? Thanks in advance for any help.

Kevin Lindstedt
1986 F150 XLT Lariat 300ci/auto
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6 >>

Kevin,
Front end alignment. You didn't say if you had a lot of slack in the
steering wheel or not, but if you do it is probably the drag link. I have an
86 150 4x4 I bought new, has 160,000 miles, and I just replaced my draglink
for the 3rd time. the ball joint loosens up at the pitman arm and will cause
wandering and excessive steering slack.
Good luck,
Phil

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:56:56 -0500 (EST)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: axle code question

In a message dated 97-11-25 14:11:49 EST, you write:


Howdy,

Looking for the details on what "C3" axle code represents. This is on
a 1985 F250 4x4. I have the listing for the 86 trucks but they don't
list "C3". Any input would be appreciated...

thanks,
Steve Thibodeau
86 F150 XLT 4x2
85 F250 4x4
80 Bronco >>

Steve,
Not sure of the axle ratio but I believe it is a 5300lb rating Limited
slip Dana, most likley 4:10 ratio.
Phil

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:52:26 -0600
From: bmrickman juno.com (brian k rickman)
Subject: Mobleaudio aol.com: 302 and 351 external differences

How can you tell the difference between a 302 f.i and a 351w f.i without
pulling the motors apart and checking the stroke. The plenum doesn't say
5.8
on it. I'm wondering if the engine sitting in my garage is a 302 or a
351.
If anyone has part numbers for the exhaust manifolds for a 351w out of a
1990 f/s Bronco, if they are different from a 302, that would help too.
TIA,

Mobleaudio aol.com
Leslie Zettler

- ----------------------------

The easiest way I have found is to look in the distributer area. On the
302, the intake manifold mating surface is even with the opening for the
distributer, on the 351w the intake surface is approx 1in taller. The
major external differences are from the heads up, the deck is an inch
taller so the intake manifold is wider, see? I used the same exhaust
manifolds on my swap but had to notch the frame a half inch on one side
for clearance. The exhaust "Y" pipe must be modified. Be sure to get the
accessory brackets from the 351, they are different.

Brian Rickmanbmrickman juno.com
91 Exp 4X4 EB
81 F100 2wd 351w AOD

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:05:27 +0100
From: "freitag"
Subject: 4.0L engine dress-up parts

Hi folks,

I want to dress up my '93 Ranger 4.0L with some chromed engine dress-up
parts like valve covers, battery cover etc..Does anybody has an idea? Ford
Motorsport has only something for V-8 engines. Downs Ford and Vanir got
only performance parts.

Michael
Germany

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:02:49, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: Radios on Rangers

Isn't the term "gentle force" an oxymoron?

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:58:45 +0000
From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: New Address

Do the logical and resubscribe .



From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Reply-to: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Subject: New Address
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 13:10:00 +0000


I have a new e-mail address do I just post it in an e-mail here? My old
one will forward to my new for a couple of weeks, so what do I do????
HELP!!!
I asked yesteday and got no reply.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed



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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:06:17, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: www.ford ranger. com

Has anyone tried to get into the Ford Ranger Website (www.fordranger.
com)? Everytime I try to go in, the page is blank, except for the
blue stripe down the side. This has been bugging me for about a
month. Is it just me, or is everyone else having the problem?
Josh

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:35:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Psnowball aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Stereo removal on Rangers

I have a 97 Ranger. I really wanted a CD player but all I got was a cassette
player. Can it be removed and a new stereo installed? It looks so
big--unlike the sizes I'm used to seeing the stores.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:18:22 EST
From: peakbzsrvc juno.com (Mike Mueller)
Subject: Question on F150 Brakes

I was hoping the latest thread regarding the brake wear would answer a
question I had, but it did not.
I have an '89 F150 XLT Supercab 4WD Longbed. I seem to go thru pads very
quickly on both sides. I replaced the calipers a year ago (steel
pistons), don't do much towing and no major hills. Pads may last 6-8
months before they're down to metal.
Any ideas?
Thanks!

Mike Mueller - Account Manager
Peak Business Services
Equipment Leasing and Funding Programs
Office (510) 274-1720 Fax (510) 944-0782
What can we do for you today?

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:31:21 -0500
From: cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)
Subject: Re: www.ford ranger. com

I have no problem getting on this page...maybe its your server
On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:06:17, -0500 KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J
TENNEY) writes:
>Has anyone tried to get into the Ford Ranger Website (www.fordranger.
>com)? Everytime I try to go in, the page is blank, except for the
>blue stripe down the side. This has been bugging me for about a
>month. Is it just me, or is everyone else having the problem?
>Josh
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:30:26 -0500
From: cdkelly juno.com (Christopher D Kelly)
Subject: Re: 4.0L engine dress-up parts

Summit Racing has a Chrome battery box... I would go ahead and get a
battery relocation kit and but it in the bed! Just my preference I don't
haul nothing!
On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:05:27 +0100 "freitag"
writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>I want to dress up my '93 Ranger 4.0L with some chromed engine
>dress-up
>parts like valve covers, battery cover etc..Does anybody has an idea?
>Ford
>Motorsport has only something for V-8 engines. Downs Ford and Vanir
>got
>only performance parts.
>
> Michael
> Germany
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:59:32 -0600
From: silent.bob juno.com
Subject: Re: www.ford ranger. com

On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:06:17, -0500 KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J
TENNEY) writes:
>Has anyone tried to get into the Ford Ranger Website (www.fordranger.
>com)? Everytime I try to go in, the page is blank, except for the
>blue stripe down the side. This has been bugging me for about a
>month. Is it just me, or is everyone else having the problem?
>Josh


Hmmm... Im glad you brought it up or I would have never known. It might
be that
Java Fade script that I added. I have noticed that once to hit the site
then reload
it takes a few seconds to come back up.

Ill take the Java off on the next update and see what it does. I do know
for a fact
that the server that it runs off of just got upgraded to a newer version
of Apache,
that could be it too.

Im working on having the site moved to another machine where I can do
updates "real time" and not have to go through a third party for updates.

.---. .-----------
/ \ __ / ------
/ / \(..)/ ----- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Shop)
////// ' \/ ` --- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
//// / // : : ---
// / / /` '--
// //..\
=======UU====UU===[95 Ranger SOHC 2.3L]=[silent.bob juno.com]==
'//||\`
''``

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:12:05 -0500 (EST)
From: ILuvTruks aol.com
Subject: Re: 2.9 valve covers

Hey, Y'all,
My buddie's as well as my Bronco II 2.9's both leaked at the valve cover
gaskets too. Not to mention my brother's 87 2.9 needed new valve cover
gaskets. Otherwise fine engine, though. I was thinking when I put the
engine back going with the extra wide valve cover washers (sorry, can't think
of the name for some reason) and I already have the rubber Fel-Pro gaskets.
Not the cheappie cork or compound. Anybody every used the wide butterfly
washers instead of the short stock?

Clay



In a message dated 97-11-23 09:04:42 EST, you write:

>
> My Father has a 3.0L in a Ranger. The previous 2 Rangers had 2.9L. I
> don't see any difference except that the 3.0 has never leaked any oil.
> Both of the 2.9L V-6s had problems with leaking valve covers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed
>
>
> I too had leaking valve cover gaskets on my 2.9. Also new of at least 2
> other 2.9 owners with the same recuring problem.
>
> Gary
>

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:47:21 -0500
From: "Roy Preston"
Subject: Re: Pealing paint on 1990

I understand that if you complain long enough and loud enough, Ford will
eventually compensate you for a new paint job. However, you must be the
original owner and you will have to probably complain directly to Ford's
customer service division.
I have a brother-in-law that owns an "87" F-150, it took him nearly a year
to get anything out of Ford.
As far as recalls having allowable time periods, that sounds like a line of
bull!!!!!

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> From: Milo Mirabelli
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Pealing paint on 1990
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 8:13 AM
>
> Are there any 90 truck owners out there that are having problems with
> the dark gray paint falling off their rigs? Mine is a F250 Diesel 4x4
> and my neighbor has the same problem with his 90 F150 4x2. I was told
> by Ford that there was a recall several years ago and that I'am to late
> to have anything done about mine.
>
> Milo
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