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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, November 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 228



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In this issue:

4 Door Ranger ["Jim Bielecki" ]
Re: tailgate removal [Iguannna aol.com]
Re: tailgate removal [Primusdrmr aol.com]
Re: gas mileage [Primusdrmr aol.com]
RE: tailgate removal ["Beaman, James" ]
re:explorer radius arm bushings [Claude King
Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal [William Martin (Temp) ]
Powerstroke comments [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Re: gas mileage [Nathan Heid ]
Re: tailgate removal [Thom Cheney ]
Re: tailgate removal ["C. E. White" ]
Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal ["David J. Baldwin" ]
re: gas mileage [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: gas mileage [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
re: Powerstroke comments [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal [Keith Srb ]
re: Powerstroke comments [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Chevy Humor [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Re: FW: Internet Virus ALERT! -=(*)=-HOAX-=(*)=- [silent.bob juno.com (Si]
Tailgate Removal [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal [Keith Srb ]
Re: Need Info [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Complaint (fwd) [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Complaint (fwd) [John Yee ]
Please help [Brian Opp x1811 ]
RE: Powerstroke comments ["Beaman, James" ]
Aero Mirror Removal (How?) [Jay Chlebowski ]

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:30:36 -0500
From: "Jim Bielecki"
Subject: 4 Door Ranger

> And, although Ford is talking about production plans in South America and
> Asia, they haven't yet said much about when the 4-door Ranger will be
> available to us here in North America.

Ford announced last week at the SEMA show that a 4 door Ranger would be
available to those in North America sometime in 1998. As Jac Nasser put
it, "Buy stock in door hinge-makers."

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:56:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: tailgate removal

In a message dated 97-11-19 06:04:33 EST, you write:


engine, as well as a few other things that DO increase mileage, like:

- -Install either a tonneau cover or remove the tailgate, i have calculated
a
gain of 1 to mpg over a period of 3 years doing just this. >>

Don't remove your gate! Unless you want your bed to flop apart. Lets see a
box has four sides, and now we remove one side....... Unless you did
scientific testing on this I bet your mpg gain came from somewhere else. The
best way to get good gas mileage is to baby the throttle. I have a 6 year
old Ranger 4 banger that I beat the crap out of, it is burning a quart every
500 miles and it still gets 20 mpg in the city with fat tires and a 300 pound
subwoofer in the bed.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:48:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Primusdrmr aol.com
Subject: Re: tailgate removal

In a message dated 97-11-19 09:03:38 EST, you write:


Date:97-11-19 09:03:38 EST
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In a message dated 97-11-19 06:04:33 EST, you write:


the
engine, as well as a few other things that DO increase mileage, like:

- -Install either a tonneau cover or remove the tailgate, i have calculated
a
gain of 1 to mpg over a period of 3 years doing just this. >>

Don't remove your gate! Unless you want your bed to flop apart. Lets see a
box has four sides, and now we remove one side....... Unless you did
scientific testing on this I bet your mpg gain came from somewhere else.
The
best way to get good gas mileage is to baby the throttle. I have a 6 year
old Ranger 4 banger that I beat the crap out of, it is burning a quart every
500 miles and it still gets 20 mpg in the city with fat tires and a 300
pound
subwoofer in the bed. >>

I dont see your reasoning behind the box thing... if the tailgate it off, the
air will flow right through, and not have the tailgate to go over... Removing
the tailgate will not have any bad effects on the bed....

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:51:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Primusdrmr aol.com
Subject: Re: gas mileage

In a message dated 97-11-19 02:03:56 EST, you write:


At 09:45 PM 11/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I've had my "97 Ranger for about 6 weeks now. Compared to my Toyota
pickup,
>(87), the Ranger gets lousy gas mileage. Is this normal?

I own a '94 2.3L 4cyl. Ranger and I'm also disappointed in the gas mileage.
About 17 mpg city and 23 mpg highway. Every now and then I'll put in some
fuel injector cleaner and it improves by about 2 mpg.

Eventually I may buy a K&N air filter and performance headers which
improves gas milage and hp (but not by much).

>>
As hard as this may be to believe, I have an '87 Ranger 2.3l 2WD and i can
get up to 32 mpg on highway. it only has 70,000 on it...

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:07:10 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: tailgate removal

> Primusdrmr aol.com
>
> I dont see your reasoning behind the box thing... if the tailgate it
> off, the
> air will flow right through, and not have the tailgate to go over...
> Removing
> the tailgate will not have any bad effects on the bed....
>
It was discussed not long ago how having the tailgate up creates a
"bubble" of air in the bedwhich actually makes the truck more
streamlined than with the tailgate down. I think this depends on truck
geometry. I think this principle holds true for my long bed F250
supercab. Checking the highway mileage both ways has shown better
mileage with the tailgate up, all other things being equal. However,
with my short bed F150 supercab, keeping the gate up hurt the mileage.
Checking your own truck is left as an exercise to each owner. I don't
think leaving the gate down will compromise the structure of the box as
someone else hinted.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:47:27 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: re:explorer radius arm bushings

You mentioned a bushing with a sleeve, could you by any chance find a model
year or part nos for us. I getting tired of changing them myself. Ford has
revved the bushings at least three times to make them stand up. I figure a
new set with every set of tires.

//ck

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:29:07 -0800 (PST)
From: William Martin (Temp)
Subject: Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal

>
> To get the oil pan off you must lift the engine up to allow for
> clearance of the oil pump pickup. This is not as hard as it sounds.
> First remove all engine mount bolts (1 mount under tranny, 1 mount under
> each side of engine). Take a look at the top of the engine back by the
> firewall and see if there is anything that would hit when you raise the
> engine up. I don't think there is on the inline six. You only need to
> raise it about 4 inches. Next place a floor jack under the harmonic
> balancer and raise the engine up about 3 or 4 inches.

Yikes! Call me chicken if you like, but I sure wouldn't ever jack up an
engine that way. I doubt that the balancer will be very straight after
putting that much force on it sideways.

Bill

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:37:08 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Powerstroke comments

Hi all.

I was at the local International dealer yesterday picking up
some oil and a filter for my '90 F350 and decided to pump the
parts guy for any information he might have on the '99 version
of the Powerstroke. First he told me that I could not put a
Powerstroke in my truck without spending tons of money, because
the engine is so different from the older 7.3. Then he went on
to say that people with Powerstrokes who want more power can get
it quite simply. He says that the engine, as supplied by Navistar,
is spec'ed at 565 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels - Ford turns
down the injector pump because of limitations in the drive train.
Apparently, if you're willing to live with a shortened lifetime on
your drivetrain, you can have the pump turned up some and get some
respectable power out of that baby, not that it's anemic in it's
Ford configuration!

We then talked about the new Super Duty line from Ford, and again
I was pleasantly surprised. He steered me over to the brochure
rack and pulled out a brochure on their medium duty 4000 line: low
profile trucks, wheelbases from 140" up to 254", cabs from standard
3-seaters to nice dual cabs that can seat 8, either the T444E engine
in configurations from 160 hp up to 230 hp or an impressive DT466E
six cylinder (7.6 L!) available with 190 hp and 520 lb-ft of torque
up to 250 hp and 660 lb-ft of torque (Take that, Dodge/Cummins owners!).

Automatic transmission by Allison and all the creature comforts. And
the price tag starts around $35K and goes up to about %50K depending
on configuration.

Sure muddies up my decision...do I go with an F550, or do go with an
International?

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:06:51 -0500
From: Nathan Heid
Subject: Re: gas mileage

> I won't go into detail in the "synthetic / conventional" war, but i have
>used it in 2 brand new, and 3 used cars and trucks (and a 90 ninja 600
>motorcycle), and have seen a mileage gain in ALL of them, ranging from 1.2
>mpg in my 97 civic, to 3 mpg in an 83 K-5 blazer with 107,000 mi.

I'm a firm beliver in synthetic lubricants and I use Mobil 1 in my engine,
transmission, and rear end. However I'm curious about your numbers. A 1.2
mpg improvement in a Civic is believable as it's about a 3% improvement,
but 3 mpg in the blazer has got to be a least a 25% change! This is too
much to atribute to oil alone. Are you sure you didn't do something else
to it at the same time? Tune-up?, Timing?, Tailwind???

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:16:02 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: tailgate removal

Iguannna aol.com wrote:
>
> Don't remove your gate! Unless you want your bed to flop apart. Lets see a
> box has four sides, and now we remove one side..

ummm.... my truck must be special, the bed walls don't "flop" with the
tailgate removed.

> Unless you did
> scientific testing on this I bet your mpg gain came from somewhere else.

Recent topic of discussion on this very list. Keep the tailgate up,
get a tonneau cover for better mileage.

> The
> best way to get good gas mileage is to baby the throttle.

probably true.
- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:19 -0500
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: tailgate removal

Beaman, James wrote:
>................................................... I don't think
> leaving the gate down will compromise the structure of the box as
> someone else hinted.
>
> James Beaman

Well for 30 years the first thing my Father did when he got a new
pick-up was to take the tailgate off and store it in the barn. He never
had a "bed" failure as a result...although the trucks always looked
weird when he sold them. The tailgate looked like new, the rest of the
truck looked like cr*p. My Father never washed his trucks.

Ed

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:54:16 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal

William Martin (Temp) wrote:
>
> >
> > To get the oil pan off you must lift the engine up to allow for
> > clearance of the oil pump pickup. This is not as hard as it sounds.
> > First remove all engine mount bolts (1 mount under tranny, 1 mount under
> > each side of engine). Take a look at the top of the engine back by the
> > firewall and see if there is anything that would hit when you raise the
> > engine up. I don't think there is on the inline six. You only need to
> > raise it about 4 inches. Next place a floor jack under the harmonic
> > balancer and raise the engine up about 3 or 4 inches.
>
> Yikes! Call me chicken if you like, but I sure wouldn't ever jack up an
> engine that way. I doubt that the balancer will be very straight after
> putting that much force on it sideways.
>
> Bill

Ooooh! I second that motion! The crank was not intended to support the
weight of the engine on its snout. Those I6 engines are heavy, and if
it falls and strikes the damper you'll likely be getting a new crank.

Get a hoist and pull it up from the top. Alot safer that way, and
better for the engine, too.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:58:36, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: gas mileage

What engine do ya have?
What engine did ya have?

Also, the engine needs to break in....after that, mileage will
increase a bit.

Josh

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:07:22, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: gas mileage

I also had a 2.3L in a '95 Ranger. It got 25 mpg city (avg) and up
to 37 mpg on the highway! Yes 37 mpg!

Josh

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:16:34, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Powerstroke comments

I would go with the F550. Everything but the engine is Ford. The
International may have a powerful motor, but have you sat in one yet?
They are real cheap and cheesy compared to the new F-Series or even
medium duty F-Series (F700 and F800). You can get a F800 with a 5.9L
Cummins up to 230 hp and 605 ft-lbs....that ain't too bad. You can
also get a 8.3L with more power. Ford is going to put heavier trucks
on the F-Series line in 1999. Besides F-550 (up to 19,000 gvw) Ford
will have heavier models up to 33,000 gvw, but we haven't been told
about those too much.

What are you going to use the truck for? That will determine how
heavy of a truck you need.

Josh
Lakeland Truck Center
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:24:18 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal

At 11:54 AM 11/19/97 -0600, you wrote:
>William Martin (Temp) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > To get the oil pan off you must lift the engine up to allow for
>> > clearance of the oil pump pickup. This is not as hard as it sounds.
>> > First remove all engine mount bolts (1 mount under tranny, 1 mount under
>> > each side of engine). Take a look at the top of the engine back by the
>> > firewall and see if there is anything that would hit when you raise the
>> > engine up. I don't think there is on the inline six. You only need to
>> > raise it about 4 inches. Next place a floor jack under the harmonic
>> > balancer and raise the engine up about 3 or 4 inches.
>>
>> Yikes! Call me chicken if you like, but I sure wouldn't ever jack up an
>> engine that way. I doubt that the balancer will be very straight after
>> putting that much force on it sideways.
>>
>> Bill
>
>Ooooh! I second that motion! The crank was not intended to support the
>weight of the engine on its snout. Those I6 engines are heavy, and if
>it falls and strikes the damper you'll likely be getting a new crank.
>
>Get a hoist and pull it up from the top. Alot safer that way, and
>better for the engine, too.

I used the jack under the Harmonic Balancer trick to raise the 240 in my
66. One key point was left out. Once I had the engine up in the air, I
took four blocks of wood, placed one block on each side of the motor mount
bolt on one side of the engine, then the other side. Then I lowered he
engine down onto these blocks and removed the jack. This way the engine is
still resting on the engine mounts. Took about 5 minuets to put the blocks
in place and about 1 minute to take the blocks out and left the engine back
down to its original position. I did this two years ago, and the engine is
still running great, except for the dead spot off idle (but that is another
story). I don't have an engine host on wheels, or a place strong enough to
attach a chain hoist to.

Just my $.02 worth.

Later

Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:29:47 -0800
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: re: Powerstroke comments

> I would go with the F550. Everything but the engine is Ford. The
> International may have a powerful motor, but have you sat in one yet?
> They are real cheap and cheesy compared to the new F-Series or even
> medium duty F-Series (F700 and F800). You can get a F800 with a 5.9L
> Cummins up to 230 hp and 605 ft-lbs....that ain't too bad. You can
> also get a 8.3L with more power. Ford is going to put heavier trucks
> on the F-Series line in 1999. Besides F-550 (up to 19,000 gvw) Ford
> will have heavier models up to 33,000 gvw, but we haven't been told
> about those too much.

> What are you going to use the truck for? That will determine how
> heavy of a truck you need.

I'm still in the preliminary stages of looking, so I haven't sat in
any trucks yet. But the brochure shows an interior that doesn't look
too bad at all. But then beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Personally, I don't like how Ford implements their oil pressure gauge;
I'd rather have a real reading there instead of a false, non-moving,
reading. Also, does Ford offer air suspension in the seats? How about
an Allison transmission? I've never been happy with the E4OD, and it'll
take some strong arguments to convince me that it's been improved
enough to handle the power that the new Powerstroke is supposed to
deliver. And Ford's fuel system is less than ideal, with restrictive
inlets, and limited capacity.

But I'm still going to look at the new trucks. I've got to compare
purchase price, registration, insurance, driveability, resale value,
and a bunch of other intangibles.

Right now my fifth wheel weighs about 11K lb, but who knows how much
the next one (if there is one) will weigh. I'd rather buy too much truck
and never need the full capability than skimp and have to upgrade, or
pass up a good trailer sometime down the road.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:43
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Chevy Humor

I've got a great chevy story for you guys. This kid I work with has been
looking for a used truck. I realy tried to persuade him into a
Ford.....but you know these young kids today. Anyway so dip-shi* goes and
buys a 92 Chevy full size with a vorshi* v-6. Bought it from another kid
(wich I realy found stupid, I would never buy a used car that looked like
a kid owned it). Anyway the kid gets rear-ended on his way to work last
week. Some guy doing about 45mph never hit the breaks just slammed into
him at a light. No one was hurt but the kids truck was totaly fu%&ed up.
I mean big times. So were all telling him its a bummer his truck is
totaled. The bed is totaly smashed up to the rear fender wells, the drive
shaft was inserted into the back of the trany an extra few inches, the
motor shifted, I mean this truck is wasted. So he comes in the other day
telling us that his truck is being fixed. Now I've heard of this befor
but if it was my truck there is no way I would allow it, but they are
going to saw off the back half of his frame and weld in new frame. This
guy thinks it will be as good as or better than new. I mean come on give
me a break, I do'nt care how good of a body shop you go to that truck
will never be the same. I guess it will give a whole new meaning to the
term "chevy flex". Anyway just had to share this funny tid bit with
yall'. When he gets it back I'll tell you how bad it dog-tracks down the
road. I know I'm rambling but the kid realy believes it will be good as
new.....hehehehehehehe.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:39 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: FW: Internet Virus ALERT! -=(*)=-HOAX-=(*)=-

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:13:20 -0800 Brian Pynn writes:
>Info at bottom...

>> WARNING!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT
>> open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this
>> letter out to as many people you can....this is a new virus and
>not
>> many people know about it! This message was received this morning
>> from IBM, and the Army National Guard, please share it with anyone
>> that might access the Internet.


- -=(*)=-Once again, this is a hoax.-=(*)=-

*Bob*

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 12:49
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Tailgate Removal

I do not want to get into the particulars on the gas milage deal here. I
have listend to both sides on this and both sides have a good point.
Personaly I never run with mine off, the truck just looks better when I'm
not showing off all the scratches inside the bed. Anyway what I did want
to comment on was the structural side of it. Down the road you realy can
tell when a truck has been run without the gate. There seems to be flex
in the back of the bed on older trucks that have been run without it,
plus when one is in a wreck you cant tell me the truck will hold up
better on side impact without it. I guess thats why they make those L -
shaped bars that bolt to the back corners of the beds (it's for the
off-roaders I think). Anyway my 2 cents worth.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:09 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: 300 I6 oil pan removal

At 11:54 AM 11/19/97 -0600, you wrote:
>William Martin (Temp) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > To get the oil pan off you must lift the engine up to allow for
>> > clearance of the oil pump pickup. This is not as hard as it sounds.
>> > First remove all engine mount bolts (1 mount under tranny, 1 mount under
>> > each side of engine). Take a look at the top of the engine back by the
>> > firewall and see if there is anything that would hit when you raise the
>> > engine up. I don't think there is on the inline six. You only need to
>> > raise it about 4 inches. Next place a floor jack under the harmonic
>> > balancer and raise the engine up about 3 or 4 inches.
>>
>> Yikes! Call me chicken if you like, but I sure wouldn't ever jack up an
>> engine that way. I doubt that the balancer will be very straight after
>> putting that much force on it sideways.
>>
>> Bill
>
>Ooooh! I second that motion! The crank was not intended to support the
>weight of the engine on its snout. Those I6 engines are heavy, and if
>it falls and strikes the damper you'll likely be getting a new crank.
>
>Get a hoist and pull it up from the top. Alot safer that way, and
>better for the engine, too.

I used the jack under the Harmonic Balancer trick to raise the 240 in my
66. One key point was left out. Once I had the engine up in the air, I
took four blocks of wood, placed one block on each side of the motor mount
bolt on one side of the engine, then the other side. Then I lowered he
engine down onto these blocks and removed the jack. This way the engine is
still resting on the engine mounts. Took about 5 minuets to put the blocks
in place and about 1 minute to take the blocks out and left the engine back
down to its original position. I did this two years ago, and the engine is
still running great, except for the dead spot off idle (but that is another
story). I don't have an engine host on wheels, or a place strong enough to
attach a chain hoist to.

Just my $.02 worth.

Later

Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:39 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Need Info

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:47:35 +0100 "Bryan Jordan"
writes:
>Okay Guys,
>
> I
>need an engine that can maintain 100 mph at no more than 4,000 - 4500
>rpm
>for 6 hrs (the time it takes from Heidelberg to Berlin). Monthly trips
>to
>see my 10 yr old daughter.
>
>Will the 2.3 L do it? Also, why is the 3.0 L V6 mentioned on the


Although I am a fan of the 2.3L, ill be the first to tell you that a bone
stock
2.3L will not maintain 100 at 4k rpm, let alone for 6 hrs. Get a V6.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:39 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Complaint (fwd)

Can anyone help this woman? Please reply to her address.

Thanks.

- --------- Begin forwarded message ----------


Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:12:03 +0500
From: Karyn
Subject: Complaint

What can I do about my Lemon? The dealership has had my Ranger "97"
since October 1. It's now Nove. 18. and they told me they have no idea
what is wrong with it. They have put on 3 fuel pumps, new pressure
lines, a fuel pump regulator, a new brain box and still don't know what
is wrong. I have filed 6 complaints with the 800 ford # and they too
have done nothing. It still sits in the dealerships garage. I have had
to make my monthly payments each month and still don't have the truck to
drive. They gave me an Escort that doesn't compare. We just got 6 inches
of snow and I couldn't leave the house because where I live on a farm
the roads drift closed and I was stuck in the house on my day off work.
The next step is that the dealership said an engineer from the
Pittsburgh office is suppose to contact them to come down and see the
truck in the mean time they are closed all next week and I still
probably won't have my truck back until sometime in December when
another payment will be due. What should I do. Ready to go postal.

Please reply ASAP.
Karyn


kcummin wvu.edu


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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:48 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: Complaint (fwd)

At 09:59 AM 11/19/97 EST, you wrote:

Technically, I'm not sure, but Lemon law research starts to come
to mind... Check out.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mindspring.com/~wf1/

Better busines bureau, and local consumer groups may be of assistance.
Since they are sending out an engineer, there moving in the right direction,
if at least slowly.

Good luck.

- -john

>Can anyone help this woman? Please reply to her address.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>
>
>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:12:03 +0500
>From: Karyn
>Subject: Complaint
>
>What can I do about my Lemon? The dealership has had my Ranger "97"
>since October 1. It's now Nove. 18. and they told me they have no idea
>what is wrong with it. They have put on 3 fuel pumps, new pressure
>lines, a fuel pump regulator, a new brain box and still don't know what
>is wrong. I have filed 6 complaints with the 800 ford # and they too
>have done nothing. It still sits in the dealerships garage. I have had
>to make my monthly payments each month and still don't have the truck to
>drive. They gave me an Escort that doesn't compare. We just got 6 inches
>of snow and I couldn't leave the house because where I live on a farm
>the roads drift closed and I was stuck in the house on my day off work.
>The next step is that the dealership said an engineer from the
>Pittsburgh office is suppose to contact them to come down and see the
>truck in the mean time they are closed all next week and I still
>probably won't have my truck back until sometime in December when
>another payment will be due. What should I do. Ready to go postal.
>
>Please reply ASAP.
>Karyn
>
>
>kcummin wvu.edu
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:46:01 -0500
From: Brian Opp x1811
Subject: Please help

Here's a scary one:

I just put my '94 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD in the shop to get the horn fixed this
morning. Then, I called back to check up on the truck and they claim that they
can't find the horn. As in, they don't know where to find it.(YIKES!)
They even called a Ford dealer and THEY don't have any diagrams as to where the
horn lays under the hood either. Does anyone know? Is it under the battery?

Now I don't want to start assuming things about these mechanics, because they
seem very compitent, but I'm getting a little scared.

One wary Ford owner,

Brian Opp,
Boston, Mass

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:10:59 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: Powerstroke comments

Josh wrote:

> I would go with the F550. Everything but the engine is Ford.
>
Thanks for all the good information on the new trucks you have been
giving us, Josh. Have you seen any numbers on tow ratings or GCWR yet?
Or is this something for which you have to wait and look in the owner's
manual when the trucks come in?

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 17:18:52 -0000
From: Jay Chlebowski
Subject: Aero Mirror Removal (How?)....

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