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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, November 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 227



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In this issue:

85' 460 vacuum [crunch1 isoc.net]
Re: Ranger Floormats [SNOOP22222 aol.com]
Re: F-150 Fuel Filter [Lehmandp aol.com]
Re: 1994 turbo diesel E4OD shift problems [Lehmandp aol.com]
Re: gas mileage ["Bob Leifer" ]
Re: Mass air conversion... [Lehmandp aol.com]
RE:300 I6 oil pan removal [Christopher Smith
Re: gas mileage [Jake Morvant ]
Re: gas mileage [HELOJMPR aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:16:27 -0500
From: crunch1 isoc.net
Subject: 85' 460 vacuum

I broke a small red vacuum line going to the override valve on the
driver's side of the air cleaner. Hate to be dumb, but I cannot find
where the line starts out from. Looked thru my shop manuals, and it
shows where it goes, but not where it starts. How about a little help
from some big block truck guys?

thanks for any or all help,
crunch1 isoc.net [Bob]

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:56:06 -0500 (EST)
From: SNOOP22222 aol.com
Subject: Re: Ranger Floormats

To get a tight fight...I just used a staple gun and stapled a sectoin in the
back...I found staples work fine...just make sure you put them in a concealed
place. (In your case i would probably remove the front kick panel and punch
a few staples in it to remove the buble near your clutch...it seams cheezy
but works for me.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:02:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Lehmandp aol.com
Subject: Re: F-150 Fuel Filter

In a message dated 97-11-15 07:57:34 EST, you write:

> John,
>
> Go to your local NAPA dealer and buy the little plastic clamps/inserts
that
> clamp over the fuel filter pipe and slide into the hose assembly. These
> release the locks that hold it in place. Then the fuel line can be slid
> off the filter. The clamps/inserts/tools come in 2 or 3 different sizes
> but they only cost about a buck a piece.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bob
>
> At 12:27 AM 11/14/97 EST, you wrote:
> >I want to change the fuel filter on my 97 F-150. do I get the fuel
> >lines off the filter? There are two clamp type things on the fuel line
> >at both ends of the filter, but I don't know they should be used. Also,
> >much fuel can I expect to run out of the lines when I remove
> >them from the filter? Any and all help will be much appreciated.
> >
> >John
>

Good advice!

Here's another; make sure the replacement filter is compatible with the
Motorcraft FG-872 or even the Fram-G3850. These have the inlet and outlet
tubes that are about 2" long.

My first experience was to use the FG-800 as listed in my owner's manual.
WRONG! The tubes were only about 1 1/2" long. I didn't realize my mistake
until after pushing the connectors back on. Now, there was no room for the
removal tool. I won't bore you with the details on how I removed this
"short" filter, just a warning on making sure you've got the right filter the
first time!

Thanks
- -David :-)

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:02:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Lehmandp aol.com
Subject: Re: 1994 turbo diesel E4OD shift problems

In a message dated 97-11-11 23:31:31 EST, you write:

> I have a 1994 F-350 crew cab 7.3L turbo diesel (not a powerstroke) with an
> E4OD tranny and since I have owned it ford has had to put 8 different
> transmitions in it and they finaly got it straightened out to the point
> where
> its semi reliable but it still suffers from sluggish shifts from 2nd to
3rd
> and 3rd to 4th when the gear hits it jeks prety hard and I was wondering
is
> there any thing I can do to improve the shifts. I've taken it to two
> dealerships (the first being a HD ford dealer that only dose trucks) and
> thay
> couldent sem to cure it but my little city dealership could.
>
> any help would be greatly appriciated
>

Wow! Eight transmissions from Ford!

I've got about 70k miles on mine (a '92 F150 5.0L 4x4), just had some major
engine upgrades (almost doubled the H.P.!).

The E4OD trans has blown a few shifts since the mods. I've heard that this
trans is notorious for short life, so I figured I'd get it checked before it
lets me down. So, I took it in a couple days ago, I should be getting it
back tomorrow.

Evidently, Ford internally configures this trans to the basic engine output
and put fewer clutch packs in the version I ended up with. The transmission
rebuilder putting this back together gave me the full story on all the
incremental upgrades that have occurred over the years. They are adding
every trick currently known to beef it up including additional clutch packs,
center bearing support (introduced by an after-market source and then put
into production by Ford by 1995), better torque converter, better servos and
hydraulics, trans cooler, etc. Expensive! It'll be just over $2k!

Now, it will be capable of the extra power, be able to confidently tow, and
have firmer shifts.

Hey, it's cheaper than a new truck!

- - David :-)

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:23:28 -0500
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: gas mileage

I got my '97 Ranger 4X2 3.0 liter regular cab short bed end of June. I have
about 2,000 miles on it, and it still averages about 15 MPG in the streets.
Not too good either, but otherwise, I really like the truck. What setup is
yours?

Bob
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From: Psnowball aol.com
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 9:46 PM
Subject: gas mileage


>I've had my "97 Ranger for about 6 weeks now. Compared to my Toyota
pickup,
>(87), the Ranger gets lousy gas mileage. Is this normal?
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:28:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Lehmandp aol.com
Subject: Re: Mass air conversion...

Ford upgraded their fuel injection/engine control systems with "adaptive
control" in 1987. "These adaptive systems are able to accumulate data during
operation. They adjust the center of their operating range according to the
needs of the individual car, to this individual driver, even to the fuel of
this fill-up." (as found in "Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine
Control", by Charles O. Probst, SAE).

- -David :-)

In a message dated 97-11-10 14:13:59 EST, you write:

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:19:10 -0600
> From: "Lopez, Raoul"
> Subject: One More Try, I Need Help Converting a 1985 F-150 4X4 5.0
EFI
> to M ass Air Metering
>
> Does anyone have any technical expertise in this area? I have a 1985

> F-150 4X4 with a 5.0 EFI. I spoke with someone on the Ford
Motorsport
> SVO Tech Line about converting my '85 to mass air. Their reply was
> Ford makes a conversion kit for '87 and newer 5.0's but 85's and 86's

> were excluded for some reason and they couldn't help me. If I can
> convert I believe it makes the addition of cams, headers,
> superchargers, etc. easier. Does anyone have any info on converting
> an '85 from speed density engine management to mass air metering?
> Thanks,
> Raoul Lopez
> Rlopez sscpan.ssc.nasa.gov
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Raoul,
> It is my understanding that the '85 is not a true fuel injected 5.0
> but rather a throttle body injected 5.0. The mass air conversion kits

> are only available for the fuel injected 5.0 (has 8 fuel injectors in

> intake). I think the '86 was a fuel injected 5.0 so I don't
understand
> SVO saying 87 and newer. Take a look to find out for certain which
you
> have. If you truely have the fuel injected 5.0 then the 87 and newer
> conversion can be made to work. Contact Ford Performance Specialists
> at 770-577-3005 Douglasville, GA. They can sell you the parts or
> install it for you. Hope this helps.
>
> greg.medert gsa.gov
> Atlanta, Ga
>

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:43:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Smith
Subject: RE:300 I6 oil pan removal

To get the oil pan off you must lift the engine up to allow for
clearance of the oil pump pickup. This is not as hard as it sounds.
First remove all engine mount bolts (1 mount under tranny, 1 mount under
each side of engine). Take a look at the top of the engine back by the
firewall and see if there is anything that would hit when you raise the
engine up. I don't think there is on the inline six. You only need to
raise it about 4 inches. Next place a floor jack under the harmonic
balancer and raise the engine up about 3 or 4 inches. Place blocks of
wood in between the front 2 engine mounts and the engine as a safety
precation to keep the engine from slipping down on your fingers(Ouch).
You should now be able to remove the pan. Why did your pan rust out. I
have never even heard of an older pan rusting out. Instalation is the
opposite of removal. Be sure to use a new gasket instead of using the
old gasket. You should invest in a Haynes manual for your truck. These
tell the steps you should take for things like this.
Chris Smith
Purdue University

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:34:48 -0600
From: Jake Morvant
Subject: Re: gas mileage

At 09:45 PM 11/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I've had my "97 Ranger for about 6 weeks now. Compared to my Toyota pickup,
>(87), the Ranger gets lousy gas mileage. Is this normal?

I own a '94 2.3L 4cyl. Ranger and I'm also disappointed in the gas mileage.
About 17 mpg city and 23 mpg highway. Every now and then I'll put in some
fuel injector cleaner and it improves by about 2 mpg.

Eventually I may buy a K&N air filter and performance headers which
improves gas milage and hp (but not by much).


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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:12:27 -0500 (EST)
From: HELOJMPR aol.com
Subject: Re: gas mileage

Bob,
I purchased my 97 Ranger Supercab 4x2, 3.0, 5-sp. in September. I could
only manage 18mpg at first, but with 4000 miles on it now, i get just under
21 mpg. Mostly hiway mileage, with occasional A/C useage.

This seems to be the average for this type of truck/engine/drivetrain. I
just sold my 85 Ranger shortbed 2.8, 5-sp. (137,000 original miles) and was
getting 21 mpg.

I expect slightly better mileage with a few more miles to "loosen up" the
engine, as well as a few other things that DO increase mileage, like:

- -Install either a tonneau cover or remove the tailgate, i have calculated a
gain of 1 to mpg over a period of 3 years doing just this.

- -After, and ONLY after yours first 2 or more oil changes (around 6,000-10,000
miles), switch to a good all-synthetic oil of the lightest weight that the
owners manual allows based on your average temp. range for your region. That
will net you another 1 to 2 mpg.
I won't go into detail in the "synthetic / conventional" war, but i have
used it in 2 brand new, and 3 used cars and trucks (and a 90 ninja 600
motorcycle), and have seen a mileage gain in ALL of them, ranging from 1.2
mpg in my 97 civic, to 3 mpg in an 83 K-5 blazer with 107,000 mi. Can't wait....

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