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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, November 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 220



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In this issue:

87 F150 Dash Lights -help. ["Arseneau, Jim"
XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218) [James Federli]
Re: no horn [Brian Opp x1811 ]
RE: Bedliners ["Randy L. Hatcher" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218 [Jason Pare ]
Re: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218) ["Chad Roy]
Re: F-150 Fuel Filter [Bob Fiddes ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218 [Bob Fiddes ]
Re: 87 F150 Dash Lights -help. [Bob Fiddes ]
Re: no horn [Bob Fiddes ]
Re: Electric Supercharger [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
ground effects kits? [Luke Wells ]
Dealer Service Center ["Robert Stinnett TSO8]
Re: level or not? [Thom Cheney ]
re: Dealer Service Center [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Gears [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Re: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218) ["Mark E. ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219 [Iguannna aol.com]
XL? XLT? what is it? [Iguannna aol.com]
Re: suspension heights/rakes [Iguannna aol.com]
Re: 87 F150 Dash Lights -help. [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: diesel battery cables [JMiller74 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219 [Ken Payne ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218 ["Lare/Eric" ]

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:19:45 -0500
From: "Arseneau, Jim"
Subject: 87 F150 Dash Lights -help.

I have an 1987 F150 and the dash lights have failed. I have opened up
the dash, checked some bulbs, checked the fuse box and checked the
continuity of the light switch. I would like to remove the instrument
cluster to check the circuitry behind it, but am unsure how to
disconnect the speedometer cable. In the older vehicles, you could just
unscrew it, but I guess that was
before odometer rollbacks became common. My questions are:

1. Has anyone else had a similar problem? and how did you solve it.
2. Is there any tests I am missing other than tracing wires for shorts?
3. Can I disconnect the speedometer? If not how do you debug the
cluster?

Thanks in advance.
Jim A.

1992 Ford Explorer - Eddie Bauer 4X4
1987 Ford F150 4X4
1986 Ford Bronco II 4X4
1966 Ford Mustang GT convertable
1950 Ford 8N

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:53:54 -0600 (CST)
From: James Federline
Subject: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218)

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Scott M Rosenthal wrote:
> I just purchased a 1988 Ranger 4x4 xtra cab XL. This truck seems to be an
> oddball. The left front fender has an XLT emblem on it and the right
> fender just reads Ranger. It also has the built in cup holders in the
> back which are only available on the XLT. I wonder what they drank for
> lunch that day. Have you ever heard of anything like this?

Suspect that this truck was in an accident involving the right front quad
or quite possibly the whole front end.

Have the frame, suspension, engine mounts, etc checked out, esp since it's
a 4x4. Look for other signs of accident repair like paint spray-over
inside the fender or engine compartment, and on suspension and engine
parts. Also look for welds that are not factory grade or in non-factory
spots (use others of the same vintage for comparison).

Research the truck's past if at all possible. It may have just been
super-rusty and body parts were replaced. Or maybe it was a flood victim
(XLT interior in an XL). I however, suspect it was in a front end
collision.

- --
James B. Federline MinnSoft Corporation
Principal Consultant "Actual Solutions To Real Problems"
----------M_____i_____n_____n_____S_____o_____f_____t---(sm)---
Tivoli / Lawson / UNIX Administration / Database Administration

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:23:04 -0500
From: Brian Opp x1811
Subject: Re: no horn

Nathan,

Actually, I don't have any manuals. I tried to local auto parts store as well.
Like I mentioned earlier, the yellow fuse was blown and so I replaced it, but
the horn still doesn't work. Could it be another fuse? or could it be
something with the horn mechanism or wiring? help!

- -Brian


X-Sender: neh2 pop.cwru.edu
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:30:17 -0500
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net, fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> From: Nathan Heid
> Subject: Re: no horn
>
> >I'm the proud owner of a '94 Ford Ranger XLT 5spd 4cyl. Just recently, I
> >noticed that my horn doesn't work. Now in most cities, that's okay, but in
> >Boston, a horn is a drivers best weapon :-) Anyway, I don't have any of the
> >books or manuals for this model and I'd like to know how to fix this.
> >If it's a fuse, I need to know which one. I went to a local parts store and
> >the guy didn't know for sure.
>
> Look in your owner's manual. It should have a fuse panel diagram.
>
> He thought it was the yellow fuse labeled '20'.
> >So I pulled of the fuse cover and sure enough, one of the '20' fuses was
> blown,
> >but my horn still doesn't work after replacing it.
>
> Is the new fuse blown now? This would indicate a short.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:26:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Randy L. Hatcher"
Subject: RE: Bedliners

i found one for my ranger--in good shape....for $50!!

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997,
Beaman, James wrote:

> Gary Gadwa wrote:
>
> > Bedliners
> > If you are serious about taking care of your Pickup Bed go with ARMA
> > Lining or RHINO lining. The slide in Bed Liners are "bad news"! They
> > are
> > slipperyer than you can imagine and they trap unwanted moisture under
> > the liner.
> >
> The slide in bed liners do have some advantages, IMHO, among them the
> ability to absorb impacts better. Just this weekend, I tossed a sledge
> hammer on my Duraliner and it just bounced off. Although spray-in
> liners do provide some cushioning, I fear this type of impact would have
> resulted in a dented bed. Just another data point for those trying to
> decide between the two. My decision was made easier because I found a
> barely used one for my '92 F250 for $100.
>
> James Beaman
> james.beaman lmco.com
> Houston, Texas
>
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Randy Hatcher

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those that have minds don't use them,those that do can't think straight.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:34:11 -0500
From: Jason Pare
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218

Ok, do the Rangers that come from the factory w/ 215/75s have the same
rear end gears as Rangers w/ 265/75s? Anyone know? That seems like a big
jump to me.

I think the V6 could probably handle it, but I don't want to go out of
factory spec if I can help it.

I remember hearing some formula about how much bigger you can go over
stock before you need gears and speedo recalibration. Could someone
refresh my memory? Was it 10 percent?

>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:34:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: Splash689 aol.com
> Subject: Re: Ranger tires (was Re: After Market Ranger Stuff)
>
> The tallest tires you can get without a lift is 31x10.5 or 265/75R
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:05:11 +0000
> From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> Subject: Re: Ranger tires (was Re: After Market Ranger Stuff)
>
> I here this same thing over and over , but if you have the Ranger
> that came from Ford with the 265/75 tires then you can fit 32's.
> Firestone ATX 32x11.50 will fit with a little front valance triming
> with a copping saw . The only thing that you will experience is that
> with the 7" rim the tires will hit the radius arms on fully extened
> turns . This can be cured by a 8" rim . The Firestone ATX'S are some
> good sand tires for you sand fanatics 8) .
>
> From: Splash689 aol.com
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Reply-to: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: Re: Ranger tires (was Re: After Market Ranger Stuff)
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 17:34:15 +0000
>
> The tallest tires you can get without a lift is 31x10.5 or 265/75R
>
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==================================
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:55:09 -0800
From: "Chad Royse (Netcom)"
Subject: Re: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218)

I say it was a mistake at FMOCO. I'd get another emblem for the otherside and
let people think you have an XLT! Be honest if you ever sell it, besides it's
on the title and VIN.

James Federline wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Scott M Rosenthal wrote:
> > I just purchased a 1988 Ranger 4x4 xtra cab XL. This truck seems to be an
> > oddball. The left front fender has an XLT emblem on it and the right
> > fender just reads Ranger. It also has the built in cup holders in the
> > back which are only available on the XLT. I wonder what they drank for
> > lunch that day. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
>
> Suspect that this truck was in an accident involving the right front quad
> or quite possibly the whole front end.
>
> Have the frame, suspension, engine mounts, etc checked out, esp since it's
> a 4x4. Look for other signs of accident repair like paint spray-over
> inside the fender or engine compartment, and on suspension and engine
> parts. Also look for welds that are not factory grade or in non-factory
> spots (use others of the same vintage for comparison).
>
> Research the truck's past if at all possible. It may have just been
> super-rusty and body parts were replaced. Or maybe it was a flood victim
> (XLT interior in an XL). I however, suspect it was in a front end
> collision.
>
> --
> James B. Federline MinnSoft Corporation
> Principal Consultant "Actual Solutions To Real Problems"
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>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:08:29 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes
Subject: Re: F-150 Fuel Filter

John,

Go to your local NAPA dealer and buy the little plastic clamps/inserts that
clamp over the fuel filter pipe and slide into the hose assembly. These
release the locks that hold it in place. Then the fuel line can be slid
off the filter. The clamps/inserts/tools come in 2 or 3 different sizes
but they only cost about a buck a piece.

Hope this helps.

Bob

At 12:27 AM 11/14/97 EST, you wrote:
>I want to change the fuel filter on my 97 F-150. do I get the fuel
>lines off the filter? There are two clamp type things on the fuel line
>at both ends of the filter, but I don't know they should be used. Also,
>much fuel can I expect to run out of the lines when I remove
>them from the filter? Any and all help will be much appreciated.
>
>John
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:17 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218

Scott,

Maybe this truck has had the fender changed due to an accident?

Also, I once had a 77 250 that had custom emblems on the fenders and ranger
emblems on the glove box. I bought this one new off the lot and therefore
it was probably just a screw up on Ford's assy line.

Bob

At 12:31 AM 11/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I just purchased a 1988 Ranger 4x4 xtra cab XL. This truck seems to be an
>oddball. The left front fender has an XLT emblem on it and the right
>fender just reads Ranger. It also has the built in cup holders in the
>back which are only available on the XLT. I wonder what they drank for
>lunch that day. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
>
>
>Scott Rosenthal
>Parts Manager
>Fay Myers Motorcycle World
>hondascooter juno.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:13:22 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes
Subject: Re: 87 F150 Dash Lights -help.

Jim,

To remove the speedo cable, you find a high spot on it and squeeze it.
That releases a lock and allows you to slide the cable off the speedo.

Problem may be in your light switch.

Bob

At 08:19 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have an 1987 F150 and the dash lights have failed. I have opened up
>the dash, checked some bulbs, checked the fuse box and checked the
>continuity of the light switch. I would like to remove the instrument
>cluster to check the circuitry behind it, but am unsure how to
>disconnect the speedometer cable. In the older vehicles, you could just
>unscrew it, but I guess that was
>before odometer rollbacks became common. My questions are:
>
>1. Has anyone else had a similar problem? and how did you solve it.
>2. Is there any tests I am missing other than tracing wires for shorts?
>3. Can I disconnect the speedometer? If not how do you debug the
>cluster?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Jim A.
>
>1992 Ford Explorer - Eddie Bauer 4X4
>1987 Ford F150 4X4
>1986 Ford Bronco II 4X4
>1966 Ford Mustang GT convertable
>1950 Ford 8N
>
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:14:57 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes
Subject: Re: no horn

Test you horn by jumping 12 volts to it from the battery. If it blows, you
got wiring or steering column problems. If it doesn't, just replace the horn.

Bob

At 09:23 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Nathan,
>
>Actually, I don't have any manuals. I tried to local auto parts store as
well.
>Like I mentioned earlier, the yellow fuse was blown and so I replaced it, but
>the horn still doesn't work. Could it be another fuse? or could it be
>something with the horn mechanism or wiring? help!
>
>-Brian
>
>
>X-Sender: neh2 pop.cwru.edu
>> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:30:17 -0500
>> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net, fordtrucks80up listservice.net
>> From: Nathan Heid
>> Subject: Re: no horn
>>
>> >I'm the proud owner of a '94 Ford Ranger XLT 5spd 4cyl. Just recently, I
>> >noticed that my horn doesn't work. Now in most cities, that's okay,
but in
>> >Boston, a horn is a drivers best weapon :-) Anyway, I don't have any
of the
>> >books or manuals for this model and I'd like to know how to fix this.
>> >If it's a fuse, I need to know which one. I went to a local parts
store and
>> >the guy didn't know for sure.
>>
>> Look in your owner's manual. It should have a fuse panel diagram.
>>
>> He thought it was the yellow fuse labeled '20'.
>> >So I pulled of the fuse cover and sure enough, one of the '20' fuses was
>> blown,
>> >but my horn still doesn't work after replacing it.
>>
>> Is the new fuse blown now? This would indicate a short.
>>
>>
>>
>> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
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>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:53:14 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Electric Supercharger

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:22 -0500 "Mike Jones"
writes:
>
>Somebody posted an e-mail address for an electric supercharger.
>Superpac,
>I think it's called. Laugh if you want, but this might be a
>lower-cost


Don't you need a separate alternator for it to work?

Bob

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:30:45 -0500
From: Luke Wells
Subject: ground effects kits?

I want to look for a ground effects kit for my 96 splash but only found
a few pages does anyone
know of any besides these Godmothers.com, stillen.com, eiboni.com Thanx

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:22:09 EST
From: "Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOMENODE"
Subject: Dealer Service Center

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Yesterday I took my '97 Ranger into the Dealer for the 3000 maintenance.
They changed the oil, filter, fluids and filled any that needed filling.
The total charge -- $6.50!

Now even Jiffy Lube charges $19.95 for the basic oil/filter. I was amazed
at how cheap this was. Is this something new that Ford has started (I noticed
they charged only for labor, not parts) for new vehicles?

I also took the opportunity to test-drive a PowerStroke Diesel F250. What
a nice machine. I think I've found my next truck.

RLS

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:52:25 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: level or not?

yhtlines surfari.net wrote:

> around here now. YOu don't like the lifted rear? How about the lifted
> fronts on these? The local parts house called it the for-runner or
> pre-runner look.

true... in Toyota circles, the older 4runners were famous for their
dragass appearance. More money was spent jacking up 4runner rears
than any other aftermarket add-on.

- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:59:50, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Dealer Service Center

The Ford dealership may have decided to give you your first oil
change free of parts charge. Maybe they screwed up the billing! I
work at a Ford Heavy Truck dealership and we give the first oil
change free (among other things) to customers that buy new trucks
from us.

Josh

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 12:45
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Gears

Anybody know where I can get 2 4:10 Ranger ceneter chunks? For a deal?
Will trade for 3:73's??

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:04:00 -0700 (MST)
From: "Mark E. Monninger"
Subject: Re: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218)

It does happen...when I bought my 93 Ranger (new, in Feb 93) it had XLT on
one fender (driver's side) and XL on the other. I didn't notice it for
several weeks. The dealer took care of it, no problem. It's really an
XLT...honest...

Mark

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Chad Royse (Netcom) wrote:

> I say it was a mistake at FMOCO. I'd get another emblem for the otherside and
> let people think you have an XLT! Be honest if you ever sell it, besides it's
> on the title and VIN.
>
> James Federline wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Scott M Rosenthal wrote:
> > > I just purchased a 1988 Ranger 4x4 xtra cab XL. This truck seems to be an
> > > oddball. The left front fender has an XLT emblem on it and the right
> > > fender just reads Ranger. It also has the built in cup holders in the
> > > back which are only available on the XLT. I wonder what they drank for
> > > lunch that day. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
> >
> > Suspect that this truck was in an accident involving the right front quad
> > or quite possibly the whole front end.
> > ...

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:32:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219

In a message dated 97-11-14 15:28:10 EST, you write:


Subject: level or not?

The arguement about (and by) manufacturers having the rear higher than the
front or not, has been going on for a long time. Its a marketing thing. Go
look at some older models and you will see that some actually have the rear
higher than the front, but hve then leveled the bed. >>


Here's a concept for you, if you put stuff in your truck the back end goes
down with the weight. Maybe the Ford and ch #y trucks have a rake so you can
actually do work with them, and not have your headlights pointing into the
sky. Since you can't haul much with a four banger there is no need for the
rear to have much load carrying capacity, therefore it has little rake to it.
As far as who sells more what, I will let the figures speak, Ford is #1! My
$.02

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:33:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: XL? XLT? what is it?

In a message dated 97-11-14 15:28:10 EST, you write:


Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218

I just purchased a 1988 Ranger 4x4 xtra cab XL. This truck seems to be an
oddball. The left front fender has an XLT emblem on it and the right
fender just reads Ranger. It also has the built in cup holders in the
back which are only available on the XLT. I wonder what they drank for
lunch that day. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
>>


Maybe the previous owner modified it, I sure have modified mine!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:36:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: suspension heights/rakes

Subj:Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219
Date:97-11-14 16:33:27 EST
From:Iguannna
To:fordtrucks80up listservice.net

In a message dated 97-11-14 15:28:10 EST, you write:


Subject: level or not?

The arguement about (and by) manufacturers having the rear higher than the
front or not, has been going on for a long time. Its a marketing thing. Go
look at some older models and you will see that some actually have the rear
higher than the front, but hve then leveled the bed. ...................
Ford and
Chevy have not figured out that if you have a good product and sell to a
young person, you have them for life. Toyota has not done too well with the
T100, they must have dropped the marketing there somehow. Cause, usually
young guys go from a cheap Toyota to a newer/bigger Chevy. No V8 in the
T100? And bypass Fords. Maybe the new F150 bodystyle will win a few over.>>


Here's a concept for you, if you put stuff in your truck the back end goes
down with the weight. Maybe the Ford and ch #y trucks have a rake so you can
actually do work with them, and not have your headlights pointing into the
sky. Since you can't haul much with a four banger there is no need for the
rear to have much load carrying capacity, therefore it has little rake to it.
Win a few over?!?!? As far as who sells more what, I will let the figures
speak, Ford is #1! My $.02

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:15:07 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: 87 F150 Dash Lights -help.

One thing to check is the variable resistor part of the light
switch that changes the intensity of the panel lights. These
have always been known to cause the panel lights to fail. Paul
in Portland OR

Arseneau, Jim wrote:
>
> I have an 1987 F150 and the dash lights have failed. I have opened up
> the dash, checked some bulbs, checked the fuse box and checked the
> continuity of the light switch. I would like to remove the instrument
> cluster to check the circuitry behind it, but am unsure how to
> disconnect the speedometer cable. In the older vehicles, you could just
> unscrew it, but I guess that was
> before odometer rollbacks became common. My questions are:
>
> 1. Has anyone else had a similar problem? and how did you solve it.
> 2. Is there any tests I am missing other than tracing wires for shorts?
> 3. Can I disconnect the speedometer? If not how do you debug the
> cluster?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jim A.
>
> 1992 Ford Explorer - Eddie Bauer 4X4
> 1987 Ford F150 4X4
> 1986 Ford Bronco II 4X4
> 1966 Ford Mustang GT convertable
> 1950 Ford 8N
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:22:04 -0500 (EST)
From: JMiller74 aol.com
Subject: Re: diesel battery cables

I have a 90 that I made my own cables for. I used 4/0 welding cable because I
had a lot of it around. It is actually too heavy, 2/0 would be better. I got
some ends that were made of copper and had them crimped on. If any is
interested in the source of the cable ends e-mail me. The end that takes 2
large cables is readily available for not much money, around $4-6. Total cost
of my cables including ends wire and crimping was around $20 and my truck
starts better than ever. Hope this helps.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:47:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219

At 04:32 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-14 15:28:10 EST, you write:
>
>
> Subject: level or not?
>
> The arguement about (and by) manufacturers having the rear higher than the
> front or not, has been going on for a long time. Its a marketing thing. Go
> look at some older models and you will see that some actually have the rear
> higher than the front, but hve then leveled the bed. >>
>
>
>Here's a concept for you, if you put stuff in your truck the back end goes
>down with the weight. Maybe the Ford and ch #y trucks have a rake so you can
>actually do work with them, and not have your headlights pointing into the
>sky. Since you can't haul much with a four banger there is no need for the
>rear to have much load carrying capacity, therefore it has little rake to it.
> As far as who sells more what, I will let the figures speak, Ford is #1! My
>$.02

Sometimes I have to wonder about Ford's #1 claim. Yes, the F150
outsold the Ch*vy and GMC trucks for 15 years running. But it has
not outsold Ch*vy and GMC trucks combined. And they are basically
the same truck.

Ahhhh, marketing....

Ken

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:57:58 -0500
From: "Lare/Eric"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218

No, they don't have the same gears. I don't know what the exact
combinations are, but I can give you my own personal experience. All of
the Rangers w/ 265/75R15's that I've seen have been automatic w/ 3.73
gears.

'94 Splash Ext. Cab 4x4, 4.0L, 5 spd manual:

- - bought w/ 235/75R15's and 3.27:1 gears

- - '95 => put 31x10.5's on w/ factory rims and gears - no problems, but
gearing felt a bit steep (gas mileage, off-road creeping, towing,
accelerating - all barely noticeably degraded)

- - 4/97 => 4" Trailmaster lift (shimmed t-case, dropped sway bar, new
brackets for exhaust, dropped pitman arm, etc. - the whole kit & kaboodle),
Trailmaster SSV Shocks; w/ sway bar in its new position, 31X10.5's on
stock rims began to barely rub; everything else came out great =>
alignment came in perfectly, no shimmy from driveshaft; note the truck now
sits level - rear add-a-leafs w/ 2" block - had about 550 lb. of furniture
in it the other day and barely sagged a half an inch; the ride and road
handling is much better than it ever was stock (stock's much too soft &
bouncy) - off-roading is now an absolute blast!!!!!

- - 6/97 => 32x11.5's on 8"x15" AR rims (3-3/4" backspacing, as compared with
stock approx. 5" - hey, no more rub - imagine that), 4.10 gears (Reider
Racing), Bushwacker Street Flares & inner Fender well mud flaps to cover
the 1-1/2" to 2" of tire sticking out from under the truck (have to satisfy
these jag-off inspection stations in PA); the 4:10's made all the
difference in the world!!!! I had my reservations about revving too high
at highway speeds, but, with gearing at about 2300 rpm/63 mph, the truck is
getting better gas mileage than it ever has before (about 19-21 combined
10% city/90% hiway) and I don't have to downshift for every hill around
here; I also had my reservations about the 32's floating around in the
snow, but with 6 - 8 inches on the road during my 30 mile trek to work
today, I had absolutely no probs - as a matter of fact, if felt more
sure-footed than it ever has before - only used 4x4 once - starting out on
steep icy/snowy hill - the leveled weight distribution in this truck makes
4x4 almost obsolete (at least on-road).

I've rambled way too much here, bought when I read your message, I
remembered the butterflies in my stomach when I was forking out all this
cash and wondering if the truck would actually end up to my liking (it's
not like you can test drive a built truck); the advice I did manage to get
when a long way - I hope I've helped in some way.

Eric S. - '94 Splash Ext. Cab - ljs mail.csonline.net


- ----------
> From: Jason Pare
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Cc: fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net
> Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218
> Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 9:34 AM
>
> Ok, do the Rangers that come from the factory w/ 215/75s have the same
> rear end gears as Rangers w/ 265/75s? Anyone know? That seems like a big
> jump to me.
>
> I think the V6 could probably handle it, but I don't want to go out of
> factory spec if I can help it.
>
> I remember hearing some formula about how much bigger you can go over
> stock before you need gears and speedo recalibration. Could someone
> refresh my memory? Was it 10 percent?
>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:34:15 -0500 (EST)
> > From: Splash689 aol.com
> > Subject: Re: Ranger tires (was Re: After Market Ranger Stuff)
> >
> > The tallest tires you can get without a lift is 31x10.5 or 265/75R
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:05:11 +0000
> > From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
> > Subject: Re: Ranger tires (was Re: After Market Ranger Stuff)
> >
> > I here this same thing over and over , but if you have the Ranger
> > that came from Ford with the 265/75 tires then you can fit 32's.
> > Firestone ATX 32x11.50 will fit with a little front valance triming
> > with a copping saw . The only thing that you will experience is that
> > with the 7" rim the tires will hit the radius arms on fully extened
> > turns . This can be cured by a 8" rim . The Firestone ATX'S are some
> > good sand tires for you sand fanatics 8) .
> >
> > From: Splash689 aol.com
> > To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> > Reply-to: fordtrucks80up ....


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