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fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, November 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 209



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In this issue:

Re: Lemon-ing a Ford? [Bill Funk ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #208 [Bill Funk ]
F250-HD 460 oil leaks [dean etgn14.webo.dg.com (Baruffi)]
[none] [greg.medert gsa.gov]
RE: F250-HD 460 oil leaks [David Hertzberg ]
RE: In tank fuel pump prices? ["Beaman, James" ]
Re: Ranger Oil Pump Advice?? [Don Vanco ]
99 Big-uns [Claude King ]
[none] [JACK CHAPPELL ]
Re: F250-HD 460 oil leaks ["Chad Royse (Netcom)" ]
Re: What do you think of the window stickers? ["Chad Royse (Netcom)"
tire size Bronco II [Pengy67 aol.com]
Re: SuperPac? ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #208 [Thom Cheney ]
RE: In tank fuel pump prices? [Steven McCullough
Turn signal malfunction ["Beaman, James" ]
5 speed tranny [Bakend ]
Re: Turn signal malfunction [Don Vanco ]
Re: Turn signal malfunction [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Turn signal malfunction [Dave Haugen ]
Re: 5 speed tranny [James Federline ]
Rocking [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: Turn signal malfunction [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: Turn signal malfunction [Don Vanco ]
GREASING front bearings on a 250 4x4? ["Patrick Vanderlind"
Re: Turn signal malfunction [William Martin (Temp) ]

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 04:50:04 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Lemon-ing a Ford?

> From: "Chad Royse (Netcom)"
> Subject: Lemon-ing a Ford?
>
> Hello All,
> I have 1997 F250HD SuperCab 4x4 with a 460. I love it to death
> (don't tell my wife!). However, it has been very
> problamatic. It had a rear-main seal leak that took four times to
> fix.
> In order to FINALLY fix the rear main, they had remove
> the engine and tranny and replace the crank. Needless to say that
> didn't make me too happy. It has also been plagued with
> numerous popping noises from the front crossmember (covered under a
> service bulliton), that they 'mostly' fixed, rattling and
> groaning noises from somewhere on the nose of the engine that only
> happens when it's cold (it's in the shop as I speak, for
> that), and numerous petty things. I really never expected a $31,000
> (MSRP) truck to be burdened with so many problems and
> noises. My 94 Ranger 4x2 with a 4.0 never gave me ANY problems.

Man, prices have gone up! My '91 F-250 XLT/LARIAT Supercab w/460 was
just a little over $20K new (and we thought that was high!).Anyway, the
truck has been a reliable vehicle for the most part; a rear axle seal
went first, which was sleeved under warranty. Last year, the AC
compressor hand-grenaded a bearing, necessitating the replacement of
various parts (we used new Ford parts [read: expensive] because we
intend to keep the truck; this raised the cost of the repair).
It has about 85K miles on it, and is used for local driving and for our
vacations (I'm not a great fan of flying, for two reasons: I don't fit
in the seats well, and, when you want to stop and see something, getting
back on the plane is a bitch). We've replaced the front split bench seat
with an aftermarket seat with two sort-of captain's chairs and a third
mini-seat in the middle; this was the best mod done for creature
comfort. That stock seat was a torture device compared to the new seat!

>
>
> Has any one else expereinced this much dismay with there 250 460?
> Also,
> I would like to know if any one has any experience
> with Ford when comes to Lemoning out a vehicle through there CAC. Are
>
> they resonable? What should I expect? FYI: I
> know I already qualify for more than one Ohio Lemon Law violations.
> Any oppionions on wther I should exercise that right?
>
> Thanx,
> Chad

Haven't had a thought of lemoning ours.Bill Funk

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 05:04:05 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #208

> From: Midwest96 aol.com
> Subject: Re: SuperPac?
>
> In a message dated 97-11-06 02:02:20 EST, you write:
>
>
> A few years from now when you buy your new gas-powered truck, and the
>
> pre-heater light goes on when you try to start it--now you know that
> it
> isn't for the glow plugs! :^)
>
>
> It could happen.
> Best Regards,
>
> Dave Baldwin >>
>
> Ok, I don't understand this: what are "glow-plugs?"
>
> Craig

Glow Plugs are what provide the ignition for those small, two-stroke
engines used on model airplanes; they are initially heated with an
external battery, but the combustion process keeps them hot enough to
fire the new, incoming air-fuel charge.So, what's this got to do with a
Ford Truck?
The new ('99 & up) Diesels will have a new system of starting; the
alternator will be spun by one of these small engines, and the
alternator output will replace one of the two batteries now needed to
start the engine, allowing Ford to save the weight and cost of that
second battery and associated electronics for isolation and seperate
charging of the two batteries, as the small engine is much lighter than
the battery. And, the engines last longer than the batteries do, and can
be had at any hobby store for less than a battery (even a 30 will spin
the alternator just fine in all but the coldest climates).
Thus, the glow plugs.
Either that, or the glow plugs are devices that have coil heaters (just
like the glow plugs for those small engines), used to pre-warm the
combustion chambers of diesel engines to make for easier starting.
I'm not sure which.

Bill

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:24:21 -0500
From: dean etgn14.webo.dg.com (Baruffi)
Subject: F250-HD 460 oil leaks

Chad wrote:

Hello All,
I have 1997 F250HD SuperCab 4x4 with a 460. I love it to death
(don't tell my wife!). However, it has been very
problamatic. It had a rear-main seal leak that took four times to fix.
In order to FINALLY fix the rear main, they had remove
the engine and tranny and replace the crank. Needless to say that
didn't make me too happy. It has also been plagued with
numerous popping noises from the front crossmember (covered under a
service bulliton), that they 'mostly' fixed, rattling and
groaning noises from somewhere on the nose of the engine that only
happens when it's cold (it's in the shop as I speak, for
that), and numerous petty things. I really never expected a $31,000
(MSRP) truck to be burdened with so many problems and
noises. My 94 Ranger 4x2 with a 4.0 never gave me ANY problems.



Chad, I have a 1997 F250 HD with the 460 and had an oil leak right from delivery.
I thought it was the rear main, but it turn out to be the oil pan gasket (so they said).
They put the dye in the oil and they said it was leaking from the pan gasket.

Also, my tach was off about 150-200 RPM's which they replaced, but it did not change
the reading. I'm not going to worry about this as long as my Idle is correct.

I only have 1200 miles on my truck and already notice pops and grinding noises in the front end.

Why did they have to replace the crank? Was it out of round?
c
What upset me the most was to see the block NOT painted on my 1997 460.

I cannot claim the Lemmon Law in Massachusetts yet. My oil leak seems to be gone.

I still like the truck, but these things should not happen.

1997 F-250HD 4x4 Super cab, short bed, 460/5-spd :

Mods: K&N air filter, synthetic fluid (front/rear diff,
transmission, transfer case, engine), drain plug on
rear diff cover, Clutch interlock disabled,
Radio Shack CB (callsign: Cool-Aid).

Dean Baruffi mailto: dean etgn14.webo.dg.com
Holland, MA. Work: 508-898-7369



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Date: 07 Nov 97 08:30:00 (-0500)
From: greg.medert gsa.gov
Subject: [none]

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I will have to disagree with your first statement that all 4.0 have the Mitsu.
tranny. I have a 91 4.0 with the Mazda. I have had it out several times. Look at
he tranny itself to know for definite. The Chilton/Haynes book are very generic
and they list both. Maybe its where there built?? My $0.02.

greg.medert gsa.gov
Atlanta, Ga


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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:59:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #204

I gaurantee you that you have a Mitsubishi if you have a 4.0, I know for a
fact that the '92 had a Mitsu, I have the Ford shop manual. The 2.3 uses a
Mazda, or Toyo Kyogo or something, same difference. My '92 2.3 has a Mazda
R1, it is nice, has synchro reverse, (the mitsu does not, grind grind) never
had a problem and have 65,000 abusive miles on it. The mitsu uses gear oil
and the Mazda uses ATF which is amusing. Only '84 and '85 4x4's with the 2.8
had the T-5 to my knowledge. Had a friend with one, it was a four speed
though, he dropped fourth gear off roading, he he! For the guy with the 4.0
changing plugs, if you have air try changing number 3 through the wheel well
:-) it is much easier, but still a major pain. Some 4.0's came with
platinum plugs by the way, pull a plug and check the part number to find out
if you have them. Hard to believe they are making '98's now, seems like
yesterday I took delivery of my '92, but it has been more than 6 years now
;-(

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 09:12:49 PST
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: RE: F250-HD 460 oil leaks

Dean: what did it cost/how long did it take to get the drain plug cut on the rear
differential cover?? david
>
>1997 F-250HD 4x4 Super cab, short bed, 460/5-spd :
>
>Mods: K&N air filter, synthetic fluid (front/rear diff,
> transmission, transfer case, engine), drain plug on
> rear diff cover, Clutch interlock disabled,
> Radio Shack CB (callsign: Cool-Aid).
>
>Dean Baruffi mailto: dean etgn14.webo.dg.com
>Holland, MA. Work: 508-898-7369
>
>
>
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David and Leila Hertzberg
Greystoke Farm
Gaithersburg, Maryland
301-482-0016
ACdhertz us-state.osis.gov


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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:30:12 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: In tank fuel pump prices?

Thundercraft wrote:

> Beaman, James wrote:
>
> > The fuel pump in the front tank of my 1992 F250 is on its last legs
> > and
> > needs to be replaced. The dealer quoted me a price of about $280
> for
> > a
> > new one.
>
> Since it is going into a pickup, a cheaper jobber pump should be ok.
> Had a bad experience with jobbers in a Taurus (tank is under back
> seat)
> had the shop do the job 3 times - 2 with jobbers and then 1 with a
> Ford
> pump because the jobbers were NOISY. In this case the real part was
> worth the extra cost.
>
This sounds like something I might want to pursue. What is a good
source of a pump of this type for an EFI engine? At what pressure would
the pump need to be set for my '92 F250, 351W? I looked in J.C. Whitney
but none of their pumps were for fuel injection engines.

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:34:06 -0500
From: Don Vanco
Subject: Re: Ranger Oil Pump Advice??

At 06:22 PM 11/6/97, M. Monninger wrote:
>I recently acquired an 89 Ranger XLT with the 2.3L engine/5-sp manual. I
>got a great deal on it because it has zero oil pressure. I assume there's a
>problem with the oil pump (is that a brilliant diagnosis or what?).
Not so fast kimosabe! These motors had definite issues with the
"intermediate shaft" and the "balance shaft" (or something like that) -
basically, there were a lot of failures of the little shaft that runs
between the distributor & the balance shaft that drives it. It's been a
long time since I've looked at the guts of one of these - but get any book
with an exploded view & you'll see what I mean. If I were you I'd pull the
distributor & that little shaft & see if it's been rounded off - even get a
bit of bar stock to spin the pump with a drill to see if you get pressure..

The rest sounds pretty logical........

YMMV
Don

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:36:33 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: 99 Big-uns

Got into the ford press page and looked at the photo's. They are terrible
mostly mood photo's shot from long distance. The background takes up most
of the shots, construction site and horse farm. Really can't tell you
anything about the truck or the interior. Also the info sheet gives no info
except the power steering, tranny, engines, and suspension has changed.

If anyone get any real info on what they changed and how I like to hear it.
My dealer just said they he has order literature doesn't know when it will
arrive.

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:02:34 -0500
From: JACK CHAPPELL
Subject: [none]

Hi All
I'm having some trouble with my '91 F-150 4WD (5.7 liter, 357 cid)
was hoping to get some help. Here's the deal:
The truck chugs and lurches at lower RPM's under a load - e.g.:
going up a hill before the transmission downshifts. I replaced the
cap & rotor, spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter to no avail. I put it in
the shop, where diagnostics were run. They replaced an oxygen
sensor, a vacuum canister, and a couple of other things. Then
called me and told me they were done with it and that they
couldn't figure out the problem. Maybe in the transmission they
said. Can't help ya. $280 later it still does the same thing.
HELP!
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Jack

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:04:18 -0800
From: "Chad Royse (Netcom)"
Subject: Re: F250-HD 460 oil leaks

Baruffi,
Thanks for the reply. I honestly thought that buying a 97 F250HD was going to be a real safe
bet, being as they have been building them with no major changes for several years now. I learned
on that one. You can see the responses below.

Baruffi wrote:

> Chad wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I have 1997 F250HD SuperCab 4x4 with a 460. I love it to death
> (don't tell my wife!). However, it has been very
> problamatic. It had a rear-main seal leak that took four times to fix.
> In order to FINALLY fix the rear main, they had remove
> the engine and tranny and replace the crank. Needless to say that
> didn't make me too happy. It has also been plagued with
> numerous popping noises from the front crossmember (covered under a
> service bulliton), that they 'mostly' fixed, rattling and
> groaning noises from somewhere on the nose of the engine that only
> happens when it's cold (it's in the shop as I speak, for
> that), and numerous petty things. I really never expected a $31,000
> (MSRP) truck to be burdened with so many problems and
> noises. My 94 Ranger 4x2 with a 4.0 never gave me ANY problems.
>
> Chad, I have a 1997 F250 HD with the 460 and had an oil leak right from delivery.
> I thought it was the rear main, but it turn out to be the oil pan gasket (so they said).
> They put the dye in the oil and they said it was leaking from the pan gasket.

Sounds like the same thing they kept doing to me. Dye test - new oil pan gasket. 300 miles later,
dye test - new rear main seal. 300 miles later...

>
>
> Also, my tach was off about 150-200 RPM's which they replaced, but it did not change
> the reading. I'm not going to worry about this as long as my Idle is correct.
>
> I only have 1200 miles on my truck and already notice pops and grinding noises in the front end.

The popping noise they "mostly" fixed on mine by drilling out a rivet on each side of the front
cross member and replacing it with a special bolt It held the cross member tighter to the frame
which kept it from moving and popping.

>
>
> Why did they have to replace the crank? Was it out of round?

It had a decent sized nick in it where the seal road. I went in and looked at it, and sure
enough...

> c
> What upset me the most was to see the block NOT painted on my 1997 460.

Amen to that! I though about asking them if they minded if I painted while the motor was out. :^)
I was thinking a nice gray.

>
>
> I cannot claim the Lemmon Law in Massachusetts yet. My oil leak seems to be gone.
>
> I still like the truck, but these things should not happen.
>
> 1997 F-250HD 4x4 Super cab, short bed, 460/5-spd :
>
> Mods: K&N air filter, synthetic fluid (front/rear diff,
> transmission, transfer case, engine), drain plug on
> rear diff cover, Clutch interlock disabled,
> Radio Shack CB (callsign: Cool-Aid).
>
> Dean Baruffi mailto: dean etgn14.webo.dg.com
> Holland, MA. Work: 508-898-7369
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:09:16 -0800
From: "Chad Royse (Netcom)"
Subject: Re: What do you think of the window stickers?

Do-it!

Ken Payne wrote:

> Already asked on the 61-79 list and the response has been
> favorable. So.... what do you think of the static cling
> window stickers?
>
> Ken
> Admin
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:12:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Pengy67 aol.com
Subject: tire size Bronco II

OK, since a tire size came up...how big a tire will fit an 85 Bronco II, no
suspension mods? Any suggestions on size / tire make? The vehicle is driven
primarily on-road, upstate NY so it does see snow. TIA!

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:30:12 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: SuperPac?

Midwest96 aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-11-06 02:02:20 EST, you write:
>
>
> A few years from now when you buy your new gas-powered truck, and the
> pre-heater light goes on when you try to start it--now you know that it
> isn't for the glow plugs! :^)
>
>
> Ok, I don't understand this: what are "glow-plugs?"

If you've ever driven a diesel, you know that when you turn on the
ignition, a big red light comes on on the dash that tells you to wait
before actually engaging the starter.

This is for the pre-heater that warms the combustion chamber for
starting, and the thing that does this is a plug with a heating element
that "glows"
when it heats--hence the term "glow plug".

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:09:06 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #208

Bill Funk wrote:
> The new ('99 & up) Diesels will have a new system of starting; the
> alternator will be spun by one of these small engines, and the
> alternator output will replace one of the two batteries now needed to
> start the engine, allowing Ford to save the weight and cost of that
> second battery and associated electronics for isolation and seperate
> charging of the two batteries, as the small engine is much lighter than
> the battery.

As I understand it, Ford has been having trouble getting this system
to work. Since these small drive motors are 2 stroke, meeting
emission standards with them has been tough. Even though the motor is
small, the catalytic converter needed to weed out the harmful gasses
is quite large. also there is the added expense of running a second
tank for the nitro-methane that powers these engines.

I think it must be the second explanation ;)

- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:42:10 -0600
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: RE: In tank fuel pump prices?

Well, I replaced both of my in-tank pumps on a 90 F150 302 - each pump was
about ~$130 from Autozone w/lifetime warranty. They are a bit of a pain to
replace unless you have an easy way of lifiting off the bed...but just my
two cents



At 08:30 AM 11/7/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Thundercraft wrote:
>
>> Beaman, James wrote:
>>
>> > The fuel pump in the front tank of my 1992 F250 is on its last legs
>> > and
>> > needs to be replaced. The dealer quoted me a price of about $280
>> for
>> > a
>> > new one.
>>
>> Since it is going into a pickup, a cheaper jobber pump should be ok.
>> Had a bad experience with jobbers in a Taurus (tank is under back
>> seat)
>> had the shop do the job 3 times - 2 with jobbers and then 1 with a
>> Ford
>> pump because the jobbers were NOISY. In this case the real part was
>> worth the extra cost.
>>
>This sounds like something I might want to pursue. What is a good
>source of a pump of this type for an EFI engine? At what pressure would
>the pump need to be set for my '92 F250, 351W? I looked in J.C. Whitney
>but none of their pumps were for fuel injection engines.
>
>James Beaman
>james.beaman lmco.com
>Houston, Texas
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:01:04 -0600
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: Turn signal malfunction

Boy, this mailing list really makes me lazy. Normally, I would go track
down this problem myself but it is too easy while sitting at this
terminal to fire off a question and rely on the expertise of the group
to tell me what's wrong.

Yesterday, when I turned on my turn signal, nothing happened. No
indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing. Makes
no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come on
and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:07:34 EST
From: Bakend
Subject: 5 speed tranny

Hi
Ihave read a lot here about the Mazda transmission being a source of trouble.
I have a 1987 Ranger with the 3.0 and 5spd and 4X4. The tranny seems to be
noisy even in neutral with the clutch engaged. Afriend has almost the same
truck and it is much quieter. Do these trucks all have the Mazda tranny? What
are the symptoms of the tranny going out? Does it just give out all at once or
do you get warnings?
Any comment appreciated
Dennis

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:11:34 -0500
From: Don Vanco
Subject: Re: Turn signal malfunction

At 11:01 AM 11/7/97 -0600, Beaman, James wrote:
>Yesterday, when I turned on my turn signal, nothing happened. No
>indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing. Makes
>no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
>the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come on
>and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?

Did you check the flasher module? I have seen them go either way - you get
the "manual flash" or no flash at all....

Don

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:14:32 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Turn signal malfunction

Beaman, James wrote:
>
> Yesterday, when I turned on my turn signal, nothing happened. No
> indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing. Makes
> no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
> the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come on
> and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?

I think you've got a nuked flasher.
- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 9:31:08 PST
From: Dave Haugen
Subject: Re: Turn signal malfunction

The first thing that I would check is the wiper fuse. It may have blown.



>
> Beaman, James wrote:
> >
> > Yesterday, when I turned on my turn signal, nothing happened. No
> > indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing. Makes
> > no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
> > the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come on
> > and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?
>
> I think you've got a nuked flasher.
> --
> Thom Cheney
> Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:43:22 -0600 (CST)
From: James Federline
Subject: Re: 5 speed tranny

On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Bakend wrote:
> Ihave read a lot here about the Mazda transmission being a source of trouble.
> I have a 1987 Ranger with the 3.0 and 5spd and 4X4. The tranny seems to be
> noisy even in neutral with the clutch engaged. Afriend has almost the same
> truck and it is much quieter.

My 96' Ranger (2.3L 5-spd) has the same (I think) knock in the tranny in
neutral with clutch engaged. I also remember test driving a '94 with the
manual before test driving the '96 - both had it as well.

And I can also say that it is probably an inherent noise to this tranny -
Ford replaced mine at 21,000 miles, and the second one (brand new unit)
also made the knock, with the exact same characteristics.

> Do these trucks all have the Mazda tranny? What
> are the symptoms of the tranny going out? Does it just give out all at once or
> do you get warnings?

When mine went out, it went out very gradually over 5 or 6 thousand miles.
Likely culprit was a complete powertrain misalignment - the tranny, center
bearing and differential all needed work. The tranny was replaced, along
with the center bearing and the bearing in the diff was replaced. So it
seemed that even the best transmission would have failed in my pickup...

While I'm still happy with the truck, I don't think I'll repeat a purchase
that includes a Mazda tranny. But it will be Ford.

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:28:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Rocking

I have a '96F150 Shortbox, no performance mods (yet), but do have tonneau
cover.
When I'm driving between MM170 - 178 on 96 in Detroit, the truck starts
rocking up and down like I was going over mini hills. It gets bad enough
that I often start getting car sick (which I never have before anywhere). It
doesn't matter what speed or direction (East or West) I drive, I have this
problem. No one else around me seems to have this problem either. Any
guesses?

Thanks,

Craig

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:30:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Turn signal malfunction

In a message dated 97-11-07 12:13:40 EST, you write:


>indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing. Makes
>no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
>the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come on
>and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?

Did you check the flasher module? I have seen them go either way - you get
the "manual flash" or no flash at all....

Don >>

Don't know if this is applicable but...

A friend and I were fooling around with the flasher modules and noticed that
if there is no draw on the end of the circuit, they wouldn't work. We wnet
out and pulled the interior indicaters lights, and sure enough, the turn
signals didn't work. I'm not sure if that could be the case, but here's
another question:

Why won't the signals work without draw on the end of the ciruit?

Craig

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:51:44 -0500
From: Don Vanco
Subject: Re: Turn signal malfunction

At 02:30 PM 11/7/97 -0500, Midwest96 aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-07 12:13:40 EST, you write:
>
>
> >indicator light on the dash lit up, no blinking sound, nothing. Makes
> >no difference if I use left or right blinker. I thought if a bulb or
> >the blinker itself were out, the indicator light would at least come on
> >and you could manually flash it myself. Any idea what is happening?
>
> Did you check the flasher module? I have seen them go either way - you get
> the "manual flash" or no flash at all....
>
> Don >>
>
>Don't know if this is applicable but...
>
>A friend and I were fooling around with the flasher modules and noticed that
>if there is no draw on the end of the circuit, they wouldn't work. We wnet
>out and pulled the interior indicaters lights, and sure enough, the turn
>signals didn't work. I'm not sure if that could be the case, but here's
>another question:
>
>Why won't the signals work without draw on the end of the ciruit?

Not sure - but if I were to guess it would be that this is a "feature" -
you can't pull current without a load. Lot's of PC power supplies are like
this - perhaps FoMoCo has designed something similar into the fuse box.
Perhaps this has something to do with voltage regulation (the need for a
load, that is).. Any EE's out there???

YMMV
Don

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:06:36 -6000
From: "Patrick Vanderlind"
Subject: GREASING front bearings on a 250 4x4?

How difficult is it to pull apart the front wheel bearings to grease
on a 250 4x4 with automatic lockouts? Anyone have any experience with
it? Special tools needed. I had a 78 ch*vy 4x4 and it required a
special tool that was more expensive than having someone do the job
for me! Thanks in advance!



Patrick Vanderlind....

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