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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, October 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 195



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In this issue:

Re: Transfer Case problem [PhilDyson aol.com]
Fan clutch, one more time [David Hertzberg ]
RE:throttle body [greg.medert gsa.gov]
(Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End ["Leo O'Neill"
Re: Transfer Case problem [Pete Wilhite ]
Electric Winch Electrical Setup [quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)]
Exhaust Smoke [quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)]
Possible Power Steering Pump Problems [quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)]
FW: Ranger driveshaft ["Patrick Ward" ]
Re: (Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End [Pete Wilhite
Re: Winter Tires ? -> tire sizing info[A] [petere mitre.org (Peter D. Eng]
Spam? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Stainless Steel [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: 97 vs 98 Rangers [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Switching Between Dual Tanks [Thom Cheney ]
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [Jim Perkins
Re: throttle body [JOUZA1 aol.com]
Diesel oil pressure ["jayvanv teleport.com" ]
Re: Switching Between Dual Tanks [Joe Maleski ]
tire size question. ["jayvanv teleport.com" ]
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [Calvin Ford
Automatic hubs and an embarrassing incident. [Larry Smeins
Re: Winter Tires ? -> tire sizing info[A] [Geoffrey Hoffman
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [Thom Cheney
Re: Winter Tires ? -> tire sizing info[A] [Thom Cheney

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:15:52 -0500 (EST)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Transfer Case problem

In a message dated 97-10-27 21:41:19 EST, John Millerwrote

Got one for anyone having knowledge of the late model transfer cases which I
am not to appraised of myself. One of my Marines has a 86 fullsize Bronco,
302 auto, with the manually operated transfer case, manual hubs. He first
told me of his problem while he was in the midst of changing transmission
fluid and filter. He had high hopes that this would cure his trucks woes. He
told me the truck would not pull.. (move) unless he put the transfer case
into Low Range. I of course examined the old fluid and filter, it looked
fine
so I told him to let me see this thing once he had it back together. Here is
the deal.... yes it does operate in low range... very normaly, but if you
put
the transfer case into either two wheel high or four wheel high there is a
nasty grinding sound coming from the case, just like when don't quite have a
case in gear all the way. Along with the noise..very bad to say the least,
the truck does not have any power applied to either front or rear diffs in
the high ranges, hence the no movement. Any suggestions as to what may have
happened inside this case or as to whether or not it is worth going inside
to
try and fix it would be greatly appreciated. Anyone having one of these
cases
which they would like to sell to a needy Marine Lance Corporal let me know
and I will be glad to make his day. Hey this is this poor kids first truck..
he just got it not too long ago.... I sure hope he doesn't get discouraged
with Fords before he gets this fixed... I am going to do what I can ...

John L. Miller

96 F-350 4x4
68 F-250 4x4
92 Mustang >>

John,
It is def worth fixing and not all that hard. I'm not sure which x-fer
case he has but I'm pretty sure it is the New Process 208.
I had the same trouble when a snap retainer ring poped and allowed the
high gear to slide out. My shift-fork was also damaged and could not force
the gear back in. While I had the case open I replaced the front drive
chain. This is pretty expensive.
Many wrecking yards carry old cases, and some will sell rebuilt units for
$200-$300. I know where there are 2 truck loads of them (Abilene TX), but
they are too heavy to ship cheap. Have to go surface freight.
Good Luck,
Phil

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 06:36:04 PST
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: Fan clutch, one more time

Thanks Bill for the insights. Just to clarify: are you saying that whether the
engine is hot or cold, i should be able to *move* the fan (irrespective of whether
it is hard or easy to move), period? Using all the force I can muster, I am unable
to move it *at all* either first thing in the morning or just after shutting down
the engine after a long drive, i.e., there is no slippage at all at any time. At
the same time, the cap is fine, there are no leaks, hoses are all new, water pump
works fine, and I never even get close to overheating, either on the highway, heavy
throttle, or at idle. Could this be a matter of leave well enough alone?? I'm a
little concerned that if the clutch is bad, and the fan is always turning at engine
speed, the engine will never quite make it to proper operating temp. This cannot
be good. Again, I'd apprecite your feedback. Thanks again. David

Bill wrote:
>
>A viscous-coupling fan clutch will always make the fan turn; that's the
>way it's built. The coupling allows the fan to turn slower than the pump
>if the engine is cool, and the coupling stiffens as it gets warmer,
>allowing less fan slip, forcing more air through the radiator. The
>slippage amount you feel is a matter of experience; there will always be
>*some* slippage, less as the engine is hot. How much is appropriate is a
>*feel* thing you get over time. If there's no drag on the fan, the
>clutch is bad. Likeways, if there's no slippage, the clutch is shot.
>Inbetween these extremes, it's very difficult to describe how the fan
>should "feel". Often, even an experienced mechanic will miss the feel of
>a particular fan.Rule of thumb (a complicated thumb, in this situation):
>if the cap is good, there have been no changes made under the hood, the
>coolant isn't leaking, the hoses are good, and the radiator is clean,
>and the water pump is functioning correctly, it's a fairly safe bet that
>the fan clutch is going bad if there is an overheating situation, even
>if the fan has the right 'feel', *if* the overheating occurs during idle
>or heavy throttle use, but not under normal highway driving. (See what I
>mean by a complicated thumb?)

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Date: 28 Oct 97 08:18:00 (-0500)
From: greg.medert gsa.gov
Subject: RE:throttle body

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:44:11 -0500 (EST)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: Throttle Body

In a message dated 97-10-28 01:42:54 EST, you write:


ranger.
And
where it is that i could purcase a bigger one. And also how much hp
would
it
give me and how easy is it to install.
>>

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I am not sure of the exact size on the 93 but you can purchase a
bigger one from several sources:

Vanir Technologies 303-761-3558 63mm $115 with $150 core charge

4.0 Liter Performance 805-925-8848 62mm? $??? with $??? core charge

BBK/ Brothers Performance 909-735-2400/909-735-8880 65mm $180 new unit

It should be noted that all units except for the BBK are bored out
units with new throttle valve/ butterfly. None of the units have the
TPS.

I have a 91 4.0, I opted for the BBK since I like hanging on to the
factory parts. With all the mods I've done it added around 8-10 HP by
the seat of the pants. Still very pleased. Throttle response is
excellent. It took all of about 15 minutes to install. One thing to
look at is the upper intake size, make sure the opening is the same or
larger than the new throttle body. Mine was fine. Some times like on
mustangs, you have to grind with a bur the front lip of the intake.
It is also a good idea to have some one with a TPS module to check the
voltages after reinstalling the unit to make sure you are getting the
proper voltage at idle and WOT. Hope this helps.

You can see my mods on www.sky.net/~wkurtz/ranger.html - Greg's 91

Hope this helps.

greg.medert gsa.gov
Atlanta, Ga

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:31:10 -0500
From: "Leo O'Neill"
Subject: (Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End

I recently purchased a 1994 F-150 at an auction and have
noticed that there is a clunking noise that seems to be coming from
the front end at low speeds and turns. Anyone have any thoughts on
this.

Also, I've found that there is a service bulletin #962315 that
describes such a problem and would like to know how I can get a look
at it. Any ideas?

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:40:46 -0800
From: Pete Wilhite
Subject: Re: Transfer Case problem

John,

Your problem is most likely related to either the shift fork itself or a
snap ring on the highgear assembly. Alot of the newer tranfer cases have a
planetary low-range that also doubles as the 1:1 high. If the fork is bent,
it may shift all the way into low but just barely(or not at all)into high.
I have seen situations where the case will come out of gear enough to grind
when you take your foot off the gas on the highway and reengage when power
is applied. The length of time this has been going on of course determines
the cost. I have fixed problems like this for as little as $15 for a new
shift fork and bushings...just to give you some positive feedback. Good
Luck!!!



At 08:21 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello fellow listers....
>Got one for anyone having knowledge of the late model transfer cases which I
>am not to appraised of myself. One of my Marines has a 86 fullsize Bronco,
>302 auto, with the manually operated transfer case, manual hubs. He first
>told me of his problem while he was in the midst of changing transmission
>fluid and filter. He had high hopes that this would cure his trucks woes. He
>told me the truck would not pull.. (move) unless he put the transfer case
>into Low Range. I of course examined the old fluid and filter, it looked fine
>so I told him to let me see this thing once he had it back together. Here is
>the deal.... yes it does operate in low range... very normaly, but if you put
>the transfer case into either two wheel high or four wheel high there is a
>nasty grinding sound coming from the case, just like when don't quite have a
>case in gear all the way. Along with the noise..very bad to say the least,
>the truck does not have any power applied to either front or rear diffs in
>the high ranges, hence the no movement. Any suggestions as to what may have
>happened inside this case or as to whether or not it is worth going inside to
>try and fix it would be greatly appreciated. Anyone having one of these cases
>which they would like to sell to a needy Marine Lance Corporal let me know
>and I will be glad to make his day. Hey this is this poor kids first truck..
>he just got it not too long ago.... I sure hope he doesn't get discouraged
>with Fords before he gets this fixed... I am going to do what I can ...
>
>John L. Miller
>
>96 F-350 4x4
>68 F-250 4x4
>92 Mustang
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>
Pete Wilhite
QUALCOMM Inc.
Phone: (619)651-0546
Pager: (619) 636-8398
Office: W170G2


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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:50:50 -0800
From: quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)
Subject: Electric Winch Electrical Setup

I am considering to install an electric winch. What kind of battery setup
should be done ? Should a high output alternator be installed ?

Any info ?

Thanks,

Tim

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:54:08 -0800
From: quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)
Subject: Exhaust Smoke

A friend has a 1984 Ford Ranger w/ 2.8L Engine w/ 179,000 km. At 168,000 km
took it to an automotive shop for repair, since it was emitting Blue Smoke.
They told him that they would have to replace the rings, grind the valves
and replace new end valve seals, but that the valve guides were O.K. The
repairs were completed. Now, Blue Smoke has returned. This time it is a
little different, when you start and stop forward or reverse at slow speeds
, the problem occurs. a fair amount is visible. Also, a liter of oil will be
burnt every two days if you do that all day. However, if you drive at
continous speed all day very little smoke is observed and little oil is
lost, but more than normal.

Also, They said that if he goes down hill using the engine as a brake and no
smoke is seen , it is not the rings. Is this trus ?

Please comment and help solve the mystery, I have my own ideas, but want to
hear from others,

Thanks,

Tim

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:47:38 -0800
From: quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)
Subject: Possible Power Steering Pump Problems

I recently purchased a 1994 Ford F150 4X4 and one thing I question is the
Power Steering pump. It whines when you load it (make a turn)and a very low
sound when driving normal. Need comments.
Is this typical or should I expect a problem ?

Thanks,

Tim

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Date: 28 Oct 1997 08:15:54 -0700
From: "Patrick Ward"
Subject: FW: Ranger driveshaft

__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
From: Patrick Ward on Mon, Oct 27, 1997 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: Ranger driveshaft

I don't know if you have to lube it every 5000 mi. But my 93 4X4 S-CAB =
with
36,000 on it was making a "THUD" when i would stop or start. After =
several
trips to the Ford garage and a transmission rebuild $$$$. They finaly =
figured
out it was the splined yoke where the driveshaft connects to the trans. =
It's
designed to slide back and forth when you start and stop. After all the =
B.S
i went through with Ford they slapped some teflon grease on it and =
charged
me 90.00 more dollars. It's real smooth now.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:27:27 -0800
From: Pete Wilhite
Subject: Re: (Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End

Improper amounts of grease in the hubs (auto locking) can cause them to
engage/disengage on their own.

At 09:31 AM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> I recently purchased a 1994 F-150 at an auction and have
>noticed that there is a clunking noise that seems to be coming from
>the front end at low speeds and turns. Anyone have any thoughts on
>this.
>
>Also, I've found that there is a service bulletin #962315 that
>describes such a problem and would like to know how I can get a look
>at it. Any ideas?
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>| Send Unsubscribe requests to fordtrucks80up-request listservice.net |
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>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:47:50 -0400
From: petere mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Winter Tires ? -> tire sizing info[A]

>In a message dated 97-10-24 08:37:38 EDT, you write:
>
>
> which is something like 31x10.5R15 so, R = radial, 15 is the rim, 31 is
> the total height, and 10.5 is the width, all in inches. >>
>
>
>What else can you have beside a radial?

If we're talking about winter tires here, why would you want anything other
than a radial?

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:51:15 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Spam?

>Hello Fellow Ford Enthusiast!
>Please check out Discover the Working Mat! www.workingmat.com
>You may find this new product of interest to you as the Working Mat
>Let me know what you think about it. Thanks!
>Ken Justice
>Discover the Working Mat!
>www.workingmat.com

Did I just get spammed?

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:51:15 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:56:26 -0600 "Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)"
writes:
>Another question on additions to my new F150. I desperately need step
>bars (I am only 5'6). I was looking at the Westin chrome which are
>warranted for 5 years. However, someone else has a new stainless steel
>version with a lifetime warranty. I also saw a stainless aerodynamic
>bug deflector. Looks like chrome. I like the looks of both. Anyone
>have any opinions on using stainless products to dress up their truck
>and how well they really last, especially with harsh Minnesota
>winters?

Stainless steel will start to look dull after a while, but you cant
notice
it from a distance. And chrome just plane looks great, but then again,
you
run the risk of it chipping. I would go with stainless if you going to
step
on it. Nothing looks better then chrome, but stainless wont let you
down.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:51:15 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: 97 vs 98 Rangers

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:39:42 -0600 "Grady Byram"
writes:
>Given the factory deals being offered to close out 97 Rangers (2.9%
>and
>$1500 cash back). I'm considering trading in my 95 F150 - mainly
>because I
>want something with 4WD (and better mileage would be welcomed as well
>- my
>F150 gets about 13mpg). I've noticed a lot of the the people on this
>list
>are really excited about the 98s. Just wondering if there is anything
>wrong with the 97s that makes people this way. Seems most of the
>excitement stems around the front suspension - but I'm just guessing
>and I
>haven't been keeping up with posts lately.


You are correct. The 98 models new suspension, rack and pinion steering
is
big improvement over the 97s in that they ride better and drive better
and
the added cab space is a plus as well. I am thinking about the newer
Rangers myself, but I think Id rather hold out and see if the 99 Rangers
have the crew cab type doors.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:39:26 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Switching Between Dual Tanks

Joe Maleski wrote:
>
> No, I thought we were talking about how hot fuel gets, and I just wanted to
> illustrate how in this one case, it can get pretty darn hot!

That's right. You flamed on Ford & said you were going to buy a Dodge
because your fuel "boiled" all the time and left you stranded. I
suggested it sounded like vapor lock and didn't believe that Ford
would sell a truck that would boil gas in its tank. A post or two
later you dropped the little "by-the-way...it's not a stock tank."
- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:00:38 -0800
From: Jim Perkins
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:47:02 -0500
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers
>
> At 06:48 PM 10/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Dave ,
> >Wow dude you sure got a problem ! Where are these road that are
> >public that you can go 100+ ? You sound like one of these guys that
> >live off the land and are anti-government .
> >
> >
>
> Montana for one, during day light hours most highways have this
> on the sign:
>
> Trucks over X wheels: xx MPH
> Cars: Reasonable and Prudent (or something to that effect,
> its up to the cop to decide if you were being safe and if your
> vehicle could handle it)

Don't believe everything you read in the press about the "Montana
autobahn." I don't live in Montana, but I do live nearby and travel
there at least once a year. Ken has accurately described the daytime
speed limit on most Montana highways, i.e. "reasonable and prudent."
However, let me assure you that no law enforcement officer in Montana
who sees a car with out of state plates travelling at 100 mph (no matter
how good the conditions) will consider that a reasonable and prudent
speed. You will get a ticket at this speed if you get caught. The fact
that you are driving a car designed to safely travel at much faster
speeds (and a Ranger does not qualify here), that it is a clear dry day,
and that there is no one else on the road will get you nowhere.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:40:12 -0500 (EST)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: Re: throttle body

greg went to the site. Awesome truck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


I installed a hypertech chip also. I was wondering if i instlled it
correctly. When you installed it did you notice a huge diffrence? Because i
did not notice a huge one so did i do somthing wrong or is that what happens?
The only other mod i made was a k&N. So will i see more results with other
mods? Also what did the 73 mm mass air sensor do? What is that for and what
is the hp gain? Is it worth the money? One more quick question. Iam planing
on going and getting flomaster dual. I know a place near to me that puts it
on. Can i get true duals with two flowmaster mufflers or do i have to go
with the one in two out type muffler. With true duals do you use two cats or
one? What diameter pipe do you use, I want 3 inch is that possible? Ok so
that is more hat one more question sorry. Thanks f;or taking the time to
answere my question. Yours truly JOSH 93 4.0

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:16:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "jayvanv teleport.com"
Subject: Diesel oil pressure

I just bought an 88 F250 XLT Supercab 4x4 with the 7.3 diesel and have a
question about oil pressure. The previous owner put a mechanical oil
pressure guage in and the oil pressure is anywhere from 40 lbs driving
speeds to 10lbs at idle. My question is that occasionally at idle the
engine light comes on once the pressure drops below 15 to 10 lbs.
Obviously this bugs my and a slight step on the pedal makes the light go
off. Is this normal? if not what can I do to remedy the problem?=20

Anotehr question, someone mentioned a preoiler system for diesels that (I
assume) puts oil pressure to the motor before it is started. What do these
cost? Any brands reccomended or to be avoided? Are they easy to install?
Are they worth the $$$?=20

I should note the truck has 125K miles with about 50K miles on a factory
new engine.=20

Thanks!

=2E.Jay=20

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:27:10 -0800
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: Switching Between Dual Tanks

I flamed?

Re-read the original post, Thom.

As a point of fact, I do have issues with my truck that are not entirely
ford's fault, however *nowhere* in my original comment did I say that I
would buy a Dodge simply because my fuel "boils" all the time and leaves me
stranded. That's nonsense! Maybe if you re-read the entire thread you
will actually see that I -gasp- agreed with you on the vapor lock issue.

Lighten up, geez...

Joe (nomex mode: ON)

>> No, I thought we were talking about how hot fuel gets, and I just wanted to
>> illustrate how in this one case, it can get pretty darn hot!
>
>That's right. You flamed on Ford & said you were going to buy a Dodge
>because your fuel "boiled" all the time and left you stranded. I
>suggested it sounded like vapor lock and didn't believe that Ford
>would sell a truck that would boil gas in its tank. A post or two
>later you dropped the little "by-the-way...it's not a stock tank."
>--
>Thom Cheney

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab 4X4, 460/5-spd

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:26:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "jayvanv teleport.com"
Subject: tire size question.

Does anyone have any chart or information regarding what modifications are
needed to put taller tires on an 88 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab? it has the
trailer/camper package and 8800 GVW with 3.54 rear end and has the stock
235/85-16 tires. I am considering going to 285/75-16 which according to
the tire shop are 3" taller (34" total). I'm not sure if this would help
or hurt my fuel mileage but I know it would drop the RPM a bit on my 7.3
diesel at freeway speeds.=20

I also know that the taller tires only come in an 8ply rating so I need to
make sure that the weight of my camper and bike trailer will be within
specs for the weight capacity of the tire. I was hoping the tires cam in a
10ply rating in the taller sizes but the tire shop said no..=20

any insight/answers/advice/comments most appreciated!

=2E.Jay =20

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:04:50 -0800
From: Calvin Ford
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

>From: Jim Perkins
>The fact
>that you are driving a car designed to safely travel at much faster
>speeds (and a Ranger does not qualify here), that it is a clear dry day,
>and that there is no one else on the road will get you nowhere.

It has gone to court before and the driver has won. Not that it will always
work that way.

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Calvin Ford | Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if
cford bmi.net | you don't take it out and use it
IZCC#588 '78 280Z | it's going to rust!
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:11:03 -0700
From: Larry Smeins
Subject: Automatic hubs and an embarrassing incident.

I have a '95' F-250 Powerstroke that I really like but I am having a
bone of contention with Ford over a recent problem. I bought the truck
off a dealer's lot and it had automatic hubs which I didn't want but
felt I could replace them with manuals when they failed. Well they
failed on an elk hunt in the Colorado mountains during the "snow of 97".
After an adventurous weekend trying to get out I went to a Ford dealer
that has given me good service and told them I'd like to have my truck
fixed under warranty but I wanted manual hubs instead of automatics. I
even said I'd pay for replacement of the hub that hadn't failed. Ford's
response was that they would not replace the hub with anything other
than the hubs it came from the factory with. They also sell a
conversion kit for the hubs and have a TSB on making the conversion,
but, if the kit or any other hub kit is installed before the drivetrain
warranty expires the warranty is voided. This means I'm stuck with
automatics that aren't strong enough to hold up to the trucks power for
another 6 months unless I'm willing to forego my warranty, which I'm
not. The remaining warranty falls during the winter when I really need
4 wheel drive and I don't want to risk getting stranded in the mountains
in winter due to another hub failure. The dealer is still on my
approved list. They went to Ford directly to try to get manuals for me
but Ford said "no way".

Now for the embarrassing part. I was five miles back in and chained on
the rear with a set of converted semi-truck chains, after the hub
failure, with two elk in the rear for ballast. I made it about 3/4 mile
before getting stuck. God, two wheel drive is helpless. My son was
with me in my '83' S-10 pickup and I was ready to leave the Ford and go
out for new hubs and come back in and replace them. He suggested
hooking the S-10 to the Ford and towing me out. I decided what's to
loose but an old S-10. We hooked up and He started pulling while I
applied power to the Ford. Between the the two of them we got out with
snow on some hills, going up, as much as thigh deep. In the deep snow
he would unhook and break trail then come back and hook up and we'd plow
through. I had to eat crow when I got towed out by that old S-10.

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:25:07 -0500
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: Re: Winter Tires ? -> tire sizing info[A]

>>What else can you have beside a radial?

i beleive the other main type id B for belted. these are fading, though,
as radials are superior in many ways. mainly, radials are designed to mush
a little, so that they get better grab with the road, and give a better
ride. radials (from what i remember) are harder, and they do no change as
much, so they can easily lose grip.

anyway, if someone has a more professional description, i would appreciate it.

- --
Geoffrey Hoffman gch2 cornell.edu
Cornell University http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:53:51 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

Calvin Ford wrote:
>
> >From: Jim Perkins
> >The fact
> >that you are driving a car designed to safely travel at much faster
> >speeds (and a Ranger does not qualify here), that it is a clear dry day,
> >and that there is no one else on the road will get you nowhere.
>
> It has gone to court before and the driver has won. Not that it will always
> work that way.
>
A recent article (Car & Driver, I think) talked about Montana & its
speed limiting practises. Having a Montana plate will buy you another
5-10 mph on the interstates, but not much more. Also... get your
speed kicks soon, Montana may be changing speed laws.

I seriously believe that 90% of the drivers out there know what the
safe limit is for their vehicle. I also think that it is a slim
segment of the population that has a death wish. MOST of the time we
are capable of driving at a safe limit, no matter what the road sign
says (don't get me started about revenue generation tactics of local
law enforcement).

The kink in the system is when we encounter someone who is somehow
impaired in their judgement. My Porsche (like I really have one) may
be capable of 180 mph, but not when that clapped out Lumina with the
over-tired, balding (okay, I threw that one in), salesman with the cel
phone glued to the side of his head swerves into my lane when he drops....


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