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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, October 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 162



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In this issue:

Ouch [Ernie Bonsell ]
Tailgate Weight ratings? [Andrew T Vincitore ]
RE: rusted out v8 oil pan [Sean Winters ]
RE: electical questions / supercharger stuff.... ["Stephen M. Brown"
Re: The 99 F-250,350,450 and 550 [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Re: The 99 F-250,350,450 and 550 [John Yee ]
fordtrucks80up-digest [DantzlerRC aol.com]
ADMIN: Our history is now on line [Ken Payne ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest [Tuobay aol.com]
Oils for PowerStroke [cfoye BayNetworks.COM (Chris Foye)]
Manuals [rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood)]
Re: 99 F-250,350,450 and 550? answers [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TE]
Re: Tailgate Weight ratings? [john.doe erols.com]
4 Cyl Ranger [Gary Snook ]
Re: suspension lift? [Jason Lester ]
Late 4 speed Man. [abbott ]
Explorer gear ratios [Todd Metzger ]
Re: electrical problem? ["Keith L. Jones" ]
Re:electical questions / supercharger stuff.... ["warren"
Re: Anti sway bars [Carl Warren Levin ]

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:18:52 -0400
From: Ernie Bonsell
Subject: Ouch

In reading various news groups over the past few months, I've seen the
complaint that Ford's 5.4L is underpowered more than once. (I own a Ford
Expedition with the 5.4L and 3.73 LSD and have plenty of power, but I
only get 11 MPG mileage). I assume that Ford has smart engineers and
marketing people, so there must be a good reasons for them going with
the 5.4L instead of upping Chevy's 5.7L to 5.8L or more. Does anyone
out there have some insight into Ford's design decision?

Thanks,
Ernie

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:01:07 -0400
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: Tailgate Weight ratings?

On my 92 f-250 I am concerned about the capacity of the tailgate when ope=
n
and suspended on the cables. I can't find any referance as to the safe
capacity of it. I load and unload pianos using a ramp and the combined
weight of piano,equipment and manpower can get high. Does anybody know
where I can find this out ?

Thanks,

Andrew

(Glad we didn't go with Truck Suck?.... ) =

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:36:14 -0500
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: rusted out v8 oil pan

Just did this same thing this weekend on a 4.9 six so I don't know how
much of it you can apply.

1. Loosen motor and transmission mounts
2. Remove (a lot of) oil pan bolts and set oil pan on cross member
3. Remove pick-up tube bolts from oil pump
4. Remove oil pan and (disconnected) pick up tube at the same time
5. You know what to do from there

Sean Winters
swinters pritchettnet.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:PhilDyson aol.com [SMTP:PhilDyson aol.com]
> Sent:Monday, October 13, 1997 1:17 PM
> To:fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject:Re: rusted out v8 oil pan
>
>
>
> tuscola mail.tds.net (TUSCOLA) wrote:
>
> > I have a 88, 150 4wd with a 302 engine that has an oil pan that has
> rusted
> >out. While checking on a leak I removed a piece of rust and a hole
> the size
> > of a pencil opened up on the pan. I epoxyed it and fixed it put
> found out
> > that the hole drivers side of the pan is got a bunch of pin holes
> and not
> > emoug good metal to get the epoxy to hold on to.
> >
> > Does any body know if I can change the pan with out pulling the
> engine? I'm
> >hoping that I could drop the cross over pipe, raise the engine engine
> abit
> >and get enough clearance to get the pan out. Anyone done this?
>
> I've done it on an 82 5.8 and again on 86 F150 5.8. I had to lift
> the
> engine several inches to get enough clearance to slide the pan between
> the
> frame-saddle and the oil pump. Also the limited space available made
> it hard
> to scrape away all the old gasket material to get a good seal on the
> new pan
> but not impossible.
> Now would be a good time to check the condition of main bearings
> and
> replace the rear crank seal (if needed). I've never heard of oil pans
> rusting out, they usually coat themselves with oil. Could be caused
> by road
> salt I guess.
> Good luck,
> Phil
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:14:35 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: RE: electical questions / supercharger stuff....

> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:47:05 -0400
> From: Geoffrey Hoffman
> Subject: electical questions / supercharger stuff....
> well, i have been putting in the super charger over break, but i have
some
> scattered questions for anyone, or prefereably anyone who has put in a
> vortech. anyway, this is a 93 explorer, same thing as a ranger as far as
> installation...
> anyway, i need to put an additional fule pump thing in line with the
> filter, and i need to know what to hook it up to. for the real fuel
pump,
> is it powered any time the ignition is on, or only when the engine is
> running? anyone know how i could tie into that line, or another line
that
> behaves the same? i hooked it up when the car was on, but not running
and
> it made all kinds of noise, and i would prefer to not have that...

in-line fuel pumps are known for being very noisy. I don't think there is
much you can do about it. You basically have to wire it so it gets juice
with the IGNITION ON (sounds like the way you had it was right).

>
> anyway, anyone know about this, or what did people do to hook this up?

Luckily, I didn't need one for my s/c (Kenne Bell 6.5psi on my Bronco).

>
> some more general questions? what is this fule pump needed for, and
there
> is some "fule managment unit" that is hooked in line with the fule return
> line to the tank, and what does that do?

The in-line unit just boosts fuel pressure so you deliver more fuel under
boost (boost gives more air, and you need more fuel to match). Again,
in-lines are notoriously NOISY!

That little FMU dude is a valve which closes off the fuel return line under
supercharger boost. That way, if you're in boost, the fuel pressure raises
(mine goes up to about 80-85 psi under full 6.5 psi boost). Normally fuel
is pumped to the engine & some is returned to the tank constantly. IF the
FMU closes off, it can't get back to the tank & pressure builds
immediately. It's a must for any aftermarket supercharged car that doesn't
have a custom computer burned and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
The FMU (fuel management unit) is kinda a quick fix, but it works well.

Regarding your in-line pump: my suggestion (after listening to the guys at
the local speed shop) is to dump the in-line unit and replace the in-tank
unit with a bigger in tank pump. (More work, more $$$). Other option:
call Kenne Bell at 909-641-0985 and tell them your situation & ask about
their BOOST-A-PUMP. It might save you some cash & labor. It boosts the
voltage to your stock fuel pump (overdrives it, but nothing drastic --- and
yes, they do claim that it will in no way limit the life of your fuel
pump...at least no more than the short life fuel pumps have anyway) to get
more fuel out under boost.

My $.02
steve

>
> thanks for your time.
>
> - --
> Geoffrey Hoffman gch2 cornell.edu
> Cornell University http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:37:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: The 99 F-250,350,450 and 550

450? 550? whered these come from? are they 1 1/2 ton & 2 ton trucks? same
body?
im clueless.
matt

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:59:12 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: The 99 F-250,350,450 and 550

At 06:37 PM 10/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>450? 550? whered these come from? are they 1 1/2 ton & 2 ton trucks? same
>body?
>im clueless.

Here some discussion back from awhile ago.

The F450/550 looks like it's Fords response to the heavier
5th wheel trailers that are available, that exceed the capacity of
the F350. If it's anything like like the Super Duty Class A
Motor Home chassis' that have the same GVW, then I'm guessing the GCWR
is in the 25,000+ lb ballpark.

It looks like there's money to be made between the F350 and
the Western Flyer type tow vehicle :-).

- -john


From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:02:54, -0500
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Subject: 1999 F-250 HD+ specs
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Anyone interested in 1999 truck options, I GOT THEM Write me if you
want some additional info. NO, I don't have any prices, but I do
have ordering options. These are all called 1999 Super Duty F-Series.


F-250 and F-350 Engine choices:
5.4L V8, 5 speed manual OD (standard)
5.4L V8, electronic Auto
6.8L V10, 5 speed manual
6.8L V10, Auto
7.3L Diesel, 6 speed manual OD, yes 6 Speed
7.3L Diesel, Auto


5.4L and 7.3L gear ratios are 3.73 or 4.10
6.8L gear ratios are 3.73 or 4.30
limited slip is available

Snow Plow Package is available:
HD front springs
HD battery
HD Alternator
XL, XLT, or Lariat packages offerd
PTO (power take off) opening optional with auto tranny

F-450 is 15000# GVWR:
Cab Chassis
6.8L V10, 5 speed manual OD (standard)
6.8L V10, Auto
7.3L, 6 speed Manual OD
7.3L, Auto
4x2 or 4x4
reg cab or crew cab

F-550 is 17500# GVWR
reg cab or crew cab
4x2 or 4x4
6.8L, Auto (standard)
7.3L, 6 speed Manual OD
7.3L, Auto
or 19000# GVWR-4x2 only


Any more questions, please e-mail me at KNBD87D prodigy.com

Josh

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:07:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: DantzlerRC aol.com
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest

I can't read digest #161. What's up?

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:18:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Our history is now on line

I've kept a file of our history since nearly the beginning.
I just put it up on the web site. Some of you might find
it interesting.

Ken

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:07:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tuobay aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest

Hello James,

You will need to talk to my partner, Ira Cavallo. His telephone number is
770-399-8455.

This material is from Amoco. It is light weight, 0.5 to 1.5 oz/yd2.

Some sales restrictions apply. Ira will elaborate.

Thanks,

Bob Carothers

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:29:05 -0700
From: cfoye BayNetworks.COM (Chris Foye)
Subject: Oils for PowerStroke

Hello fellow listers,

Don't quite have enough miles to do the first oil change but, I am starting
to do some homework.
I went to the Ford PowerStroke Diesel web page and there is some mention
about synthetic oil. Is synthetic worth the extra cost? Is there any
significant fuel improvement or performance? It seems kind of costly given
that oil changes are done every 3,000 miles.
Also, how are you purchasing your oil and how many gallons at a time?
Local distributor, gas station? Local distributor sells in 1gal, 5gal and
then 55 gallon. I can't really store the 55 gallon so, that's out of the
question.


Thanks,

Chris

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:28:38 -0500
From: rsmall isgroup.net (Robert Smallwood)
Subject: Manuals

1-Is there a aftermarket source for a concise manual for the PowerStroke
(Navistar has theirs...doesn't cover the Ford part, Ford has theirs...
cost a lot)?

2-My 1995 Powerstroke just did something weird, while coasting to a stop
to a red light, it just cut off, no odometer reading, no nothing.
Immediately restarted after shifting to neutral. Anybody having any
similar problems?

Thanks,

Robert

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:37:14, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: 99 F-250,350,450 and 550? answers

F250 is rated at 8600 # GVW
F350 is rated at 9700-11000 # GVW
F450 is rated at 15000# GVW
F550 is rated at 17500-19000# GVW

4X4 IS available with everthing but 19,000# GVW

Josh

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:44:48 -0400
From: john.doe erols.com
Subject: Re: Tailgate Weight ratings?

>On my 92 f-250 I am concerned about the capacity of the tailgate when open
>and suspended on the cables. I can't find any referance as to the safe
>capacity of it. I load and unload pianos using a ramp and the combined
>weight of piano,equipment and manpower can get high. Does anybody know
>where I can find this out ?

Check your owner's manual. For some reason I am under the impression that I
read my Ranger tailgate would handle a specific amount (that I forgot) but
I do recall reading it... is that vague enough?



- ---
john (the original doe)

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:58:04 -0500
From: Gary Snook
Subject: 4 Cyl Ranger

Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Adrian A. Polliack"
Subject: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

I am requesting some input from 1997 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD 4 Cyl Supercab
trucks owners or folks who know something about them.

I have never purchased a truck before. I am planning to purchase a new 2WD
compact truck in the next week or so and would appreciate your assistance.
My basic needs for a truck are for trips to the mountain (mountain biking,
skiing, camping) say 20-30 times per year, where I can store the bikes at
the back and trailing a catamaran with trailer (
the
time would be for city and freeway driving.

What do you see as the pros/cons of the XLT 2WD Supercab? Does anyone have
experience with other pick-ups e.g. the Toyota Tacoma, Chevy S10 or GMC
Sonoma? Any comments would be helpfull. I have done some research on the
internet and the Ford Ranger surely rates well but I would like to hear it
from some owners.

With many thanks in advance.

Adrian Polliack

Adrian;
As a multi Ranger owner, let me suggest that you go for the SUPER CAB
and the 4.0 Liter V6. I don't know how I ever fit in that regular cab of
my 87. The 3.0 Liter is OK, but the 4.0 Liter is AWSOME. Don't pinch
pennies on your new Truck. Gary

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:50:33 -0400
From: Jason Lester
Subject: Re: suspension lift?

Suspension kits are generally added when you actually plan on using the
truck off-road a lot. You usually get more suspension travel for tackling
off-road obstacles and the suspension will flex better. Body lifts are for
adding bigger tires only. The problem is that if you add too big tires,
the suspension will get overloaded since it's made to handle stock wheels
and tires. If it were my truck, I'd spring for a suspension lift from one
of the major companies.

Jason

You wrote:
>On my 1991 f-150 4x2 aod 180,000 mi. I am trying to get some info on a
>lift kit. I hear about both body lift and susp. lift. Obviously the
>susp. would be more expensive. But I am only looking for about 4 in.
>What are my best bets . The susp. kits are about 3x the price of the
>body kits and it seems like Summit has about the best prices. I can do
>the work myself, so thats not a problem. I guess I'm just trying to
>find out if the suspension kit is worth the extra money and labor time.

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:37:36 -0700
From: abbott
Subject: Late 4 speed Man.

After 1980 FORD still used a four speed manual until about 93. I think that
is a T-18/NP435 for the early ones and a T-19 for the later rigs. Am I
right? What can be said about the T-19, is it like the Np435 (no first syncro)?

This mailing list has been great. A big thanks goes out to everyone.
- -Tyler-

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:06:17 +0000
From: Todd Metzger
Subject: Explorer gear ratios

To whoever can help,
I was wondering if anyone could help me with a question that I was asked.
Someone asked if I knew what the gear ratios where in the 5-speed manual
transmissions for the 91-94 Ford Explorers. I know what they are in the autos
but I have no ideas what they are in the manuals. If someone could shed some
light on the subject I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Todd Metzger
tmetz umr.edu

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:06:56 -0500
From: "Keith L. Jones"
Subject: Re: electrical problem?

Eric,

The gages in the dash of the 89's are air core insturments. They plug into
a printed circuit board(PCB) that is mounted on the plastic dash. The
contacts that these gages plug into get dirty and lose their contact with
the pins on the gages. Take the dash out and clean the contacts on the PCB
and the pins on the gages with a contact cleaner from your local
electronics shop. When you go to put them back in check for a tight fit.
If not bend the contacts closed a little bit( a little goes a long way).

Keith Jones

At 07:40 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I have 89 f-150 4x4 with a 4.9L L6, the voltmeter in the dash will drop
>from normal range(12.5 to 14.0v) down to approx 10v. What's confusing
>me is that when i tap on the gauge it will jump back up to normal.
>However when running the heater, it will drop off again. Also the
>battery light will come on from time to time. I know that it is not the
>battery(two different brand new batts)that is causing the problem. Any
>insight into what might be the problem would be appreciated.
>
>
>Eric Sneed
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Keith L. Jones
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Apt. K55
El Paso, TX 79912
915-587-8086

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:28:50 -0500
From: "warren"
Subject: Re:electical questions / supercharger stuff....

> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:47:05 -0400
> From: Geoffrey Hoffman
> Subject: electical questions / supercharger stuff....
>
> well, i have been putting in the super charger

> fuel pump,
> is it powered any time the ignition is on, or only when the engine is
> running? anyone know how i could tie into that line, or another line
that
> behaves the same?

Look for any Red with a Green tracer, this has 12v when key is on.

>what is this fule pump needed for

The stock pump is not capable of supplying enough fuel under full boost
conditions, the additional pump saves you from a big meltdown. The
extra noise you mentioned should go away when the pump has fuel running
through it.

> some "fule managment unit" that is hooked in line with the fule
return
> line to the tank, and what does that do?

The FMU is a *boost sensative* device that controls the amount of fuel
returned to the tank, these units are calibrated for the amount of
boost you supercharger is trimmed for.

- -----------
Warren Kurtz
wkurtz sky.net
Ford Ranger Fans On-Line
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sky.net/~wkurtz

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carl Warren Levin
Subject: Re: Anti sway bars

I got mine from Whitney. They were cheaper than I could have gotten
locally. 120 each. One front one rear. I would recommend checking the
dealer out. They might have them to fit more precisely. I went with....

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