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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, October 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 161



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In this issue:

Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab ["Bob Leifer"
FL-820-S vs FL-820 [hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)]
Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab [silent.bob juno.com]
electrical problem? [Eric W Sneed ]
rusted out v8 oil pan ["TUSCOLA" ]
Re: OUCH ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: OUCH [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Re: F-350 General Questions (40' 5th wheel!?) [John Yee
Re: electrical problem? ["Evan & Teresa" ]
Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab ["Mike Wiatt"
Re: rusted out v8 oil pan [PhilDyson aol.com]
Re: rusted out v8 oil pan [PhilDyson aol.com]
Re: Anti sway bars are wonderful. ["Ryan Penner"
electical questions / supercharger stuff.... [Geoffrey Hoffman

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:14:29 -0400
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

Adrian,

I agree with Mike; I got a '97 Ranger, which I love! But prior to getting it
( with the 3.0 litre V6), I took one out with the 4 cylinder for a test
drive. It had an auto tranny in it too. I am sorry to say, that in my
opinion, of course, the 4 cylinder engine just does not have enough power to
move itself, let alone climb up mountains! Maybe a manual tranny will
improve on it, but I say don't get any LESS than the 3.0. The gas mileage on
the 6 is less than the 4 cylinder engine, but..... Mine is an XLT 2WD
standard cab Short bed Ranger, with the 3 litre, and as I said before, I
love it. Take a 4 cylinder and a 6 cylinder truck out for a test drive at
the dealer and you decide.

My Best,

Bob
- -----Original Message-----
From: Adrian A. Polliack
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 12:24 AM
Subject: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab


>I am requesting some input from 1997 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD 4 Cyl Supercab
>trucks owners or folks who know something about them.
>
>I have never purchased a truck before. I am planning to purchase a new 2WD
>compact truck in the next week or so and would appreciate your assistance.
>My basic needs for a truck are for trips to the mountain (mountain biking,
>skiing, camping) say 20-30 times per year, where I can store the bikes at
>the back and trailing a catamaran with trailer (
the
>time would be for city and freeway driving.
>
>What do you see as the pros/cons of the XLT 2WD Supercab? Does anyone have
>experience with other pick-ups e.g. the Toyota Tacoma, Chevy S10 or GMC
>Sonoma? Any comments would be helpfull. I have done some research on the
>internet and the Ford Ranger surely rates well but I would like to hear it
>from some owners.
>
>With many thanks in advance.
>
>Adrian Polliack
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:07:07 -0400
From: hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)
Subject: FL-820-S vs FL-820

I know I've seen posts about these oil filters before but don't remember
seeing a definitive answer as to the differences. I'm approaching my
first oil change and have only seen the FL-820 filter in my local Wal
Mart. This is the forth Ford truck I've owned and have used nothing but
Castrol oil (10w30 up north and 20w50 in south Florida) and Fram
filters, but am considering using Motorcraft filters on my '97. I change
my oil and filter every 3000 miles even though my driving habits don't
constitute severe driving conditions and have never had a lick of
trouble with any of my vehicles. I've seen so many posts regarding
synthetic oils, what would be the reasons for using them? I don't think
I could bring myself to let the change go beyond 5000 miles so if it's
only a matter of not having to change as often it's not worth it to me.
Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Michael

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:49:29 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:22:49 -0700 (PDT) "Adrian A. Polliack"
writes:
>I am requesting some input from 1997 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD 4 Cyl
>Supercab
>trucks owners or folks who know something about them.
>
>I have never purchased a truck before. I am planning to purchase a
>new 2WD
>compact truck in the next week or so and would appreciate your
>assistance.
>My basic needs for a truck are for trips to the mountain (mountain
>biking,
>skiing, camping) say 20-30 times per year, where I can store the bikes
>at
>the back and trailing a catamaran with trailer (
>of the
>time would be for city and freeway driving.
>
>What do you see as the pros/cons of the XLT 2WD Supercab? Does anyone
>have
>experience with other pick-ups e.g. the Toyota Tacoma, Chevy S10 or
>GMC
>Sonoma? Any comments would be helpfull. I have done some research on
>the
>internet and the Ford Ranger surely rates well but I would like to
>hear it
>from some owners.
>
>With many thanks in advance.
>
>Adrian Polliack

I like the back seat in the Tacoma but I think that the features on the
Ranger
are better then what the Tacoma has to offer. But I haven't heard
anything bad
about them, or anything good for that matter. S10... ...sux, throw a 200
lbs.
in the bed, and boom, you have a funky looking low rider. My Ranger can
hold
800+ lbs. My max load so far has been 1400 lbs. with equal load
throughout the
bed. I wouldn't go any further. Pulling with the 4 banger all depends. I
pull
a john boat w/ a 25hp Johnson and you lucky if you go faster than 60 mph
in
the hills, but if your going to the beach, you should not have any
problems.
The gas milage is pretty good too. If you do get a 4 banger, get a
standard.
If you plan on getting an auto, go with the 3.0 or 4.0



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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:40:42 -0700
From: Eric W Sneed
Subject: electrical problem?

I have 89 f-150 4x4 with a 4.9L L6, the voltmeter in the dash will drop
from normal range(12.5 to 14.0v) down to approx 10v. What's confusing
me is that when i tap on the gauge it will jump back up to normal.
However when running the heater, it will drop off again. Also the
battery light will come on from time to time. I know that it is not the
battery(two different brand new batts)that is causing the problem. Any
insight into what might be the problem would be appreciated.


Eric Sneed

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:37:04 -0400
From: "TUSCOLA"
Subject: rusted out v8 oil pan

I have a 88, 150 4wd with a 302 engine that has an oil pan that has rusted
out. While checking on a leak I removed a piece of rust and a hole the size
of a pencil opened up on the pan. I epoxyed it and fixed it put found out
that the hole drivers side of the pan is got a bunch of pin holes and not
emoug good metal to get the epoxy to hold on to.

Does any body know if I can change the pan with out pulling the engine? I'm
hoping that I could drop the cross over pipe, raise the engine engine abit
and get enough clearance to get the pan out. Anyone done this?

Or I am hoping that their may be a hidden Ford re-call or hidden fix on
this, is their? I got a paint job out of them.

Thanks tuscola mail.tds.net

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:05:11 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: OUCH

silent.bob juno.com wrote:
>
> There are other people with GM products that I could name and write about
> too, but the point is that I have seen more GM cars and trucks start to
> fail in a short amount of time than I have seen Fords fail.

A friend of mine asked when I got my F-150 two years ago, "Why'd you get
a piece-of-**** Ford"?

Part of my response my have been the influence of his experiences with
his GMC crew-cab: at 200 miles the rub strip on the door (glued on) fell
off. At 300 miles, he went to close the door and the door panel pulled
off! At 450 miles, the temp gage started climbing a block from his house
(454--known for running hot anyway). He barely made it home. Found
that the crank pulley had come off of the damper and fallen completely
off! Someone stole the damn thing (the truck, not the pulley)--which
was probably doing him a favor. Then he bought another one! Some people
never learn.

My '150 on the other hand, is at 27K mi. with only one problem to date:
the wiper switch--which was replaced free of charge under warranty.
Only thing I would've done different was get the 5.8L instead of the
5.0L. Just not enough torque for a truck. 5.0L winds up nice
though--can't say it won't rev.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:24:24 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

Adrian A. Polliack wrote:
>
> I am requesting some input from 1997 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD 4 Cyl Supercab
> trucks owners or folks who know something about them.
>
> I have never purchased a truck before. I am planning to purchase a new 2WD
> compact truck in the next week or so and would appreciate your assistance.
> My basic needs for a truck are for trips to the mountain (mountain biking,
> skiing, camping) say 20-30 times per year, where I can store the bikes at
> the back and trailing a catamaran with trailer (
> time would be for city and freeway driving.
>
> What do you see as the pros/cons of the XLT 2WD Supercab? Does anyone have
> experience with other pick-ups e.g. the Toyota Tacoma, Chevy S10 or GMC
> Sonoma? Any comments would be helpfull. I have done some research on the
> internet and the Ford Ranger surely rates well but I would like to hear it
> from some owners.

I have had a Toyota 4-Runner and a 4.0L Ranger 4X4 (both). The Toyota
was a 4 cylinder, and I can tell you that at ~300 ft. above sea level,
performance was adequate (barely) just around town. When I took it to
Colorado, it wouldn't get out of its own way! I am not kidding here: I
was at about 8000 ft, crawling at 20MPH in second gear while 4.0L Jeep
Cherokees blew my doors off at 70MPH! I had MANY fit/trim problems and
the tranny gone through at 35K miles. Also had timing chain slaping
noise that they could never do anything with.

The Ranger:
I had a friend who considered the 4-banger, but I talked into going as
high as a 3.0 six. He was satisfied with performance most of the time,
but loading it with anything left it lacking. When I bought mine, I got
the 4.0L and automatic. I wouldn't even compare this vehicle with the
Toyota. The motor had plenty of torque on the low-end where trucks need
it. I hauled truckfuls of manure out of a friend's barn (I don't know
how much it weighed, but it was heavy) and didn't even know it was
there. Never had a chance to drive it at altitude, but I doubt that it
would have a problem.

My recommendation:
With as many mountain trips as you plan, I'd get the 4.0L, auto or
manual. If you were to just take a couple of trips per year, the 3.0L
might be adequate, but the combination of mountains and towing will
probably be too much for it.

But then, I can't STAND a wheeze-box truck. If you are a very
conservative driver, the 3.0L might be OK for you. You might rent one
(if you can) and make the trip. See how it takes the altitude. Good
luck. I really enjoyed my Ranger. I think it had better performance
than the 5.0L F-150 I have now, although the F-series is really a
tougher truck.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:32:33 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: OUCH

Seems we're telling horror stories about the "other" truck guys,
so I've got to add my voice to the rabble!

I bought a 1984 Chevy C30 Crew Cab Duallie brand new (when I picked
it up, it had 27 miles on the odometer). It was equipped with the
454 cid engine, TH400 tranny, 4.1:1 axle, and Silverado trim
package. It was used as a daily commuter and to pull our 24 ft
travel trailer, which weighed 4,750 lb. The first thing to break
was the fuel tank transfer valve; it would intermittently refuse
to switch. The first time I replaced it, the dealer charged me $65
for a new valve. When that one quit, I mentioned it to a friend who
offered to check it out. He tore the valve apart and noticed that
it was made with Buna-N type o-rings, which are known to expand when
immersed in gasoline. For less than a dollar, we replaced the o-rings
with Viton type rings and the problem disappeared.

Next the cruise control switch shorted out. It was constantly sending
a "coast" signal instead of holding a set speed. Since the dealer
wanted $85 for a replacement stalk, I wired up a switch on the dash
to replace the factory switch.

Then, at 57,109 miles (that number is indelibly engraved in my memory!)
while I was driving to work one morning, I heard the unmistakable sound
of a rod bearing letting go. Just 7 months, and a little over 7,000
miles out of warranty, and I've got a major repair bill. Chevy gave us
the usual song-and-dance about the length of the warranty so we contacted
the Better Business Bureau. Arbitration resulted in Chevy picking up
1/2 of the repair bill since we only got about 1/2 of their expected
life out of the engine.

Two weeks after I reinstalled the engine, the transmission gave up. Upon
teardown, I found a lot of plastic parts in a supposedly heavy-duty
transmission. After rebuilding that, it was decided that the truck will
not reside in our driveway for very much longer.

It finally got traded in on our current rig: a 1990 F350 Crew Cab Duallie
Diesel. Anyone want to take a guess as to how many Chevy trucks we'll
own in the future?

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:34:16 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: F-350 General Questions (40' 5th wheel!?)

At 07:35 AM 10/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700
>> From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
>> Subject: Re: F350 general questions
>>
>> > I've been watching the mailing list archives for a while, but
>> decided
>> > I'd have to actually post to find answers to some of my VERY-NOVICE
>> > questions. Please gimmie a hand! I need to pull a 40' 5th, and my
>> > toyota just ain't gonna cut it. How much would you expect a trailer
>>
>> > like this to weigh?
>>
>> That's hard to say; definitely over 10,000 lb, and somewhere between
>> there
>> and 20,000 lb depending on a lot of factors.
>>
>> > I'm looking in the 1988 to 92 range, because I understand 88 is when
>> the
>> > Powerstroke 7.3 was introduced, right?
>>
>> Actually I think '88 is when the Navistar engine went from 6.9L up to
>> 7.3L. The Powerstroke didn't happen until '94 or so. Between then
>> there
>> was a "pseudo-Powerstroke" which was a non-turbo version, but it was
>> only
>> offered until the Powerstroke came up.
>>
>> > I'd prefer a crew cab, which means I'm looking at an F350 no matter
>> what
>> > (in that year range), right?
>
>Doesn't make any difference what light duty pickup is used, that 40' 5th
>wheel is too heavy for safe towing.
>Here's how to figure the towing capacity of any given truck:
>Find the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Limit (GCWL).
>Weigh the truck.
>Subtract the weight of the truck from the GCWL (don't forget to add to
>the truck weight the driver, passengers, all gear that will be in the
>truck, the dogs, etc).
>What's left is what the manufacturer says you can safely tow (and they
>oughta know).
>Are they conservative? OK, add 10%.
>Are we anywhere *near* what that 40 footer weighs?
>And remember, 4X4 and crew cabs *REDUCE* towing capacity.
>What's the solution? Find a used F-600 or F-750 (this *IS* the FORD list
>;-)) and rebuild it to suit your needs and wants.
>Expensive? You bet. So's that 40 footer. So's that lawsuit you get hit
>with when *anything* goes wrong, and you are grossly overloaded
>(Insurance? HAH!)

For an example of *expensive*, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://interoz.com/wf/wf.htm.
Here is the Western Flyer (RV-afied Freightliner). $40K - $80K. GVW of
26,000 lbs to 48,000 lbs., and in the ball park of 800-860 ft. lbs. of torque.

But on the other hand, if you are towing some 40' 5th wheel, like a Teton,
these puppies top out at 25,000 lbs GVWR. (13k - 14K lbs empty)
The Medium duty truck is the only way to safely go....

- -john

>Do people tow 40 footers with F-350 pickups? Yes, they do. And most
>never have a problem, other than the constant throwing of money at the
>drivetrain which was never meant to handle that load. Does that mean
>that anyone can do so with no problems? No, it doesn't. Why risk it?
>Bill
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:10:04 -0700
From: "Evan & Teresa"
Subject: Re: electrical problem?

my 88 f-250 has the same problem with the voltmeter i just got used to it
although it seems like i have to give the dash a bit of a wack to get it to
come to
just my .02 evan


- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric W Sneed
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 7:39 AM
Subject: electrical problem?



>I have 89 f-150 4x4 with a 4.9L L6, the voltmeter in the dash will drop
>from normal range(12.5 to 14.0v) down to approx 10v. What's confusing
>me is that when i tap on the gauge it will jump back up to normal.
>However when running the heater, it will drop off again. Also the
>battery light will come on from time to time. I know that it is not the
>battery(two different brand new batts)that is causing the problem. Any
>insight into what might be the problem would be appreciated.
>
>
>Eric Sneed
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:56:14 PDT
From: "Mike Wiatt"
Subject: Re: info required on 97 Ford Ranger XLT 2WD Ext. cab

Ford Rangers are the best mid size trucks out there. One comment
though...get a V6. Pref the 4.0. It IS worth the extra cash. I have a
few friends with the 2.3 and they all want the V6. My brother has a '91
supercab 3.0 and its a lot better than the 2.3 but my 4.0 has a lot more
torque.
Quick little story...(if you know what the Grapevine, a pretty good
climb, is in CA then it helps)I was going dirt bike riding in Gorman. I
had 30 gallons of water in the bed of my truck along with a motorcycle.
The rest of the bed was filled with firewood. I was towing a 3-bike
trailer that was full. Besides me there were 3 other adults in the car.
My truck held 65 mph all the way up the grade without even heating up
and the a/c was on. Needless to say I am glad I got the 4.0

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:16:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: rusted out v8 oil pan

tuscola mail.tds.net (TUSCOLA) wrote:

> I have a 88, 150 4wd with a 302 engine that has an oil pan that has rusted
>out. While checking on a leak I removed a piece of rust and a hole the size
> of a pencil opened up on the pan. I epoxyed it and fixed it put found out
> that the hole drivers side of the pan is got a bunch of pin holes and not
> emoug good metal to get the epoxy to hold on to.
>
> Does any body know if I can change the pan with out pulling the engine? I'm
>hoping that I could drop the cross over pipe, raise the engine engine abit
>and get enough clearance to get the pan out. Anyone done this?

I've done it on an 82 5.8 and again on 86 F150 5.8. I had to lift the
engine several inches to get enough clearance to slide the pan between the
frame-saddle and the oil pump. Also the limited space available made it hard
to scrape away all the old gasket material to get a good seal on the new pan
but not impossible.
Now would be a good time to check the condition of main bearings and
replace the rear crank seal (if needed). I've never heard of oil pans
rusting out, they usually coat themselves with oil. Could be caused by road
salt I guess.
Good luck,
Phil

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 14:17:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: rusted out v8 oil pan

tuscola mail.tds.net (TUSCOLA) wrote:

> I have a 88, 150 4wd with a 302 engine that has an oil pan that has rusted
>out. While checking on a leak I removed a piece of rust and a hole the size
> of a pencil opened up on the pan. I epoxyed it and fixed it put found out
> that the hole drivers side of the pan is got a bunch of pin holes and not
> emoug good metal to get the epoxy to hold on to.
>
> Does any body know if I can change the pan with out pulling the engine? I'm
>hoping that I could drop the cross over pipe, raise the engine engine abit
>and get enough clearance to get the pan out. Anyone done this?

I've done it on an 82 5.8 and again on 86 F150 5.8. I had to lift the
engine several inches to get enough clearance to slide the pan between the
frame-saddle and the oil pump. Also the limited space available made it hard
to scrape away all the old gasket material to get a good seal on the new pan
but not impossible.
Now would be a good time to check the condition of main bearings and
replace the rear crank seal (if needed). I've never heard of oil pans
rusting out, they usually coat themselves with oil. Could be caused by road
salt I guess.
Good luck,
Phil

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:51:21 -0600
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Anti sway bars are wonderful.

- ----------
> From: Carl Warren Levin
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Anti sway bars are wonderful.
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 4:28 PM
>
>
> I just put on Hellwig anti sway bars and the handling difference is quite
> remarkable. I highly recommend them to anyone. I have a I6, stick, 1995
> f150 short bed and the thing handles like a BMW. Well almost.......
>
> "Any culture that surrenders it's vision and it's self sustaining
> values to the narrow judgement of commerce will be neither free
> nor just" Ralph Nader
> Carl Levin carl teleport.com Portland, Oregon
>
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Where do you find these?

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:47:05 -0400
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: electical questions / supercharger stuff....

well, i have been putting in the super charger over break, but i have some
scattered questions for anyone, or prefereably anyone who has put in a
vortech. anyway, this is a 93 explorer, same thing as a ranger as far as
installation...

anyway, i need to put an additional fule pump thing in line with the
filter, and i need to know what to hook it up to. for the real fuel pump,....

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