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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, October 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 152



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In this issue:

Re: Mile Marker winch concerns [Rendell9 aol.com]
Re: '95 Ranger Shift Noise [Bradley and Debbie Miller
re: Dealer Decals [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
re: 98 F150 toy questions [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
RE: 4.0L Underdrives [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Fuel Pressure (Manual Anyone?) [Joe Maleski ]
re: Dealer Decals [John Yee ]
Re: Mile Marker winch concerns [Joe Maleski ]
Re: Dealer Decals ["Bob Leifer" ]
Re: 98 F150 toy questions ["Bob Leifer" ]
re:decals [hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)]
Mile Marker Full Time 4WD "conversion" [john.doe erols.com]
Its coming, ohh, ohh, I can't wait... ["John D. Bowne"
Bug Shield restore: update [Jerad Heffner ]
BG Products [bigguy ]
Re: Dealer Decals [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Dealer Decals [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Dealer Decals [John Yee ]
Re: BG Products [cfoye BayNetworks.COM (Chris Foye)]
Re: Dealer Decals ["Ryan Penner" ]
RE: A Tale Of Two Trucks [fwise juno.com]

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rendell9 aol.com
Subject: Re: Mile Marker winch concerns

Mile Markers response to the Ford concerns re hydraulic pump were
exactly as I would have expected - there had never been a reported
case of hydraulic pump failure determined to be caused directly or
indirectly by one of their winches - and there is absolutely no reason
to doubt this. Its the hassle with Ford that I am afraid of.

STILL - and from a purely marketing point of view - something in writing
like that provided by Gale Banks Engineering, which states simply that
in the event of ANY hassle with Ford, Banks will directly and corporately
support the customer, would have been the clincher as far as I am
concerned. Too bad.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:41:30 -0500
From: Bradley and Debbie Miller
Subject: Re: '95 Ranger Shift Noise

The noise that I'm getting is when I'm preparing to downshift into 1st gear
from 2nd. I have the clutch flat on the floor, and put my hand on the
lever while slowing down (about 20 mph or slower) and then I get that funky
buzz. It's almost like -- and keep in mind I have a little knowledge here
. . . very little . . . it seems like to me that the shifter may be trying
to work against the syncronizers. That's the only thing close that I've
thought of -- since the truck is totally disconnected from the motor, the
only thing left turning would be the output gears and the
driveshaft/rearend and that. I've tried to get it to do the problem while
just driving down the road -- but no luck on replicating it. I wonder if I
tap the brakes while trying to get it to do it? I know I'm not crazy --
my father-in-law experienced the same thing and he's had many more years
behind any speed manuals than I have even been alive.

Any hints?

BTW: This is on a '95 Ranger Splash with the 4.0 and a 5 spd.

Thanks!!!!!


Bradley Miller
ByStar Partners - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bystar.com
Midwest Shelby Dodge Club - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.shelbydodge.org
Mini Beeper Project - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lake-ozark.mo.us/OurNeon
'83 Dodge Shelby Charger (2.2L - 5spd - 40mm Webers)
'97 Dodge Neon Sport (2.0L - 5spd - 150hp) -- Deep amethyst
'95 Ford Ranger Splash (4.0L - 5spd - 150hp) -- Needs more ponies!

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:39:57, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Dealer Decals

You can use a flat razor blade on the windows, and then shoot it with
glass cleaner. It may help to leave the window facing the sun before
you start (to soften the adhesive). I don't know about the stupid
dealer decals. Try to face those to the sun, too, and see if they
are easy to peel. If not, some body shops have cleaners that take
those stickers right off.

Josh
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:48:14, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 98 F150 toy questions

Do you live in Maple Grove? My grandparents live in Maple Grove and
my grandpa owns Treemendous, Inc....Ya know, a tree farm. Anyway, I
live in Inver Grove Heights, and I work a Ford dealership in So St.
Paul. We had a 97 F150 supercab, 4x4 flareside with the Off-Road
package here. We installed a set of chrome step bars made by Westin.
They looked great, but I didn't talk to the mechanic to see if he
had to drill holes or how long it took.

Josh
Lakeland Ford
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:54:41, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: 4.0L Underdrives

Mike,

I would be very happy to see a set of underdrive pulleys made. I am
looking forward to buy some for my '98 Ranger.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:56:55 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Fuel Pressure (Manual Anyone?)

Folks,

Does anyone have the service manual handy for a fuel injected 460 (7.5L)?
I would like to know what the fuel pressure is supposed to be at the fuel
rail on the 460. I drove my beast to work today and the darn rear tank is
much worse than ever, and I intend to find a pressure gauge at lunch today
to measure the fuel pressure. Somebody mentioned that it's just a
schreader valve on the fuel rail.

So far no word from Ford yet on the third redesign of the fuel pump - the
new pumps should be in the supply line this week, at $301.54 it had better
work...

Thanks,

Joe

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, two ailing in-tank fuel pumps...

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:01:08 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: re: Dealer Decals

At 01:39 PM 10/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>You can use a flat razor blade on the windows, and then shoot it with
>glass cleaner. It may help to leave the window facing the sun before
>you start (to soften the adhesive). I don't know about the stupid
>dealer decals. Try to face those to the sun, too, and see if they
>are easy to peel. If not, some body shops have cleaners that take
>those stickers right off.

WD-40 works well too. I've not had any problems with it discoloring paint,
but I don't spray it all over, and clean it up as soon as possible.

I vaguely recall that ether works too. I think ether has a low evaporation point
too, so you could use the decal over if you wanted to. I remember seeing people
do this while trying to trasfer ski tickets a long time ago. But I also have
no experience how ether reacts to painted metal. Be warned.

- -john

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:49:03 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: Mile Marker winch concerns

During the "winch shootout" test in the current issue of Petersen's 4WD
magazine the writers experienced *two* power steering pump failures while
running their tests.

It comes down to a simple question of what are you going to use your winch
for. If the truck is going to be stationary and you are using the winch to
skid logs across the back forty all day long, then the hydraulic winch is
superior. If, on the other hand, you are going to have to rely on the
winch to get your stuck (and possibly stalled) truck home, or up and over
some gnarly obstacle then the electric winch wins hands down.

Joe

>Mile Markers response to the Ford concerns re hydraulic pump were
>exactly as I would have expected - there had never been a reported
>case of hydraulic pump failure determined to be caused directly or
>indirectly by one of their winches - and there is absolutely no reason
>to doubt this. Its the hassle with Ford that I am afraid of.

************************************
Joe Maleski
Technical Instructor
Auspex Systems, Inc.
Santa Clara, CA

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:55:41 -0400
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: Dealer Decals

Brian,

There is a product my wife bought called "Goo gone" that is basically a
citrus oil that works FANTASTIC to remove the sticky glue residue from
labels and stickers. You might try using some vegetable oil first; I believe
it should be harmless to the finish if you wash it off immediatley after
removing the glue residue.

Bob

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brian Pynn
To: fordnatics lists.best.com ;
fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:23 AM
Subject: Dealer Decals



>All this talk about "TruckSuck?" stickers has reminded me I'd like to
>get rid of a few stickers of my own. My 97 Ranger was delivered with
>hideous dealer name decals stuck on both side panels of my truck
>directly underneath the Ranger XL badges. They're plain white and
>contrast horribly with both the factory badge and the cayman green
>color. Any suggestions for removing these decals w/o damaging the
>clearcoat? Also, I tried nail polish remover and windex on the inside
>of my passenger window, but still can't get the residue of the factory
>options and price sheet sticker off. It's this ugly square of glue that
>I'd like to remove. Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:11:11 -0400
From: "Bob Leifer"
Subject: Re: 98 F150 toy questions

Judy,

I have a '97 Ranger on which I installed a fiberglass lid that is as you
described. It clamps on, requiring no drilling to the box; the one I have is
built by A.R.E., and comes with a lifetime structural warranty. They custom
make it for you, and the price includes installation, and painted to match
your truck. Where I live, in Long Island New York, the cost for my short bed
Ranger was $599. I think it's not much more for the larger sizes. There are
other brands around, but I can tell you that I am really pleased with the
A.R.E. unit I got. Also, rather than a bed liner, I bought the rubber bed
mat and Tail gate "mat" for my truck at Walmart. The mat is not slippery at
all like bedliners are, and with the fiberglass lid to cover everything, all
stays nice and dry too. I hear that many people who have bedliners also get
a mat to keep everything from slipping and sliding around in the back. There
are better quality mats than what I got, but it serves my purposes very well
to protect the floor and inside tailgate surfaces.

Bob

- -----Original Message-----
From: Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)
To: 'Ford Truck Questions'
Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 11:55 AM
Subject: 98 F150 toy questions



>
>I ordered a new 1998 F 150, 5 speed, super cab, 4 x 4. I have been
>looking at accessories, such as step bars, bed cover, and bed liner. I
>like the Westin chrome step bars which do not require drilling. When
>looking at a catalog, it said you couldn't get them for a super cab 4 x
>4 with skid plates and an 8 foot bed. Mine is a short box with skid
>plates. A friend who just picked up the same truck as mine in a 97
>model said he couldn't get those step bars for his truck. It doesn't
>have to be Westin (although they have a 5 yr warranty on rust), but I
>want chrome/shiny bars where you don't have to drill, yet have front and
>back non-skid step for extended cab. I just heard an ad where a local
>store has brand new stainless step bars that have a lifetime warranty.
>Anyone know anything about them? Do they require drilling? What do
>they look like? Any suggestions?
>
>Also, I am looking at getting a fiberglass bed cover. I want one that
>can be painted to match, has a lock, keeps the elements out, has gas
>struts, and is sturdy. What has worked best for the rest of you? Is
>there a cover that doesn't require drilling? I heard one guy said he had
>three fiberglass covers and all three cracked. He was now looking at
>vinyl. Also, does it matter whether or not is has a spoiler? Does the
>spoiler have any effect on gas mileage? I drive 80 miles a day for
>work.
>
>One more question, then I'll shut up... I am (obviously) new and just
>got on the list at the tail end of the comments on bed liners and rust,
>so I didn't get to read all the comments. Do hard plastic bed liners
>cause early rust or not? Living here in Minnesota, I get enough early
>rust, I don't want to accelerate it even more. Thanks!
>
>
>J. Thill, CSP
>Fire Operations Officer
>Maple Grove Fire Department
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:32:49 -0400
From: hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)
Subject: re:decals

The hair dryer suggestion works well on decals and as far as the
adhesive on your window I suggest "3M General Purpose Adhesive Cleaner".
You can even use it on the clearcoat if needed. Mechanics use it to
clean off the grease that gets on the vehicles they work on. I used it
on my '94 F-150 to remove some overspray from a careless painter and it
worked great! Just remember along with removing adhesive, silicone,
grease, tar, and oil it also removes wax so... don't forget to wax the
vehicle afterwards. Good Luck.

Michael

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:03:56 -0400
From: john.doe erols.com
Subject: Mile Marker Full Time 4WD "conversion"

With the talk of Mile Marker I am reminded that they market a full time 4WD
"conversion" piece that installs on the front driveshaft. In essence you
cut the shaft and splice in a viscous coupling that allows the front diff
to operate w/o load in 4WD until it slips...once the coupling gets up to
speed (ie: front wheel slip) it locks up the front drive shaft and you are
in 4WD.

Has anyone any direct experience with this piece?


- ---
john (the original doe)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:06:59 -0700
From: "John D. Bowne"
Subject: Its coming, ohh, ohh, I can't wait...

I was just told by the broker that the '97 F350 CrewCab P'Stroke 4wd that I
ordered two weeks ago is scheduled to build in the first week of November.

Crap! Now I'm so pumped, I can't seem to get my head back into CDMA Test
Equipment software.

I'm really amazed how quickly this has taken place. The price was literally
thousands below what the local dealers were offering and its gets delivered
to one of the local dealers for the price. What a deal. Like I said, I'm
really excited. I found this guy on the Web after searching for F350.

Thanks for letting me vent....

johnbo

John D. Bowne - Cornelius, OR
John.D.Bowne tek.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:08:47 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Bug Shield restore: update

Just to let you all know (in case you remember) I asked a question about
returning that shine to weathered bug shields. Well, we took your
advice (whoever mentioned it, thank you) and used Meguiar's Clear Coat
wax on the shield, and it looks like new (except for the scratch from
when we closed the garage door with the hood up and the garage door
brace scraped across it), but it's great.

Again, thank you, and give it a try if you need it!

Jerad Heffner
'84 Ranger 4x4

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:43:43 -0400
From: bigguy
Subject: BG Products

Has anyone heard of BG products? I was told that MOA oil additive is
some good stuff. I was wondering if anyone has heard of this stuff and
if you could tell me what it is.

I am also looking for some power mods for a 94 V6 4.0L. If you guys
have any good power mods let me know.

Thanks,
Jim

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:58:04 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Dealer Decals

MR JOSH J TENNEY wrote:
>
> You can use a flat razor blade on the windows, and then shoot it with
> glass cleaner. It may help to leave the window facing the sun before
> you start (to soften the adhesive). I don't know about the stupid
> dealer decals. Try to face those to the sun, too, and see if they
> are easy to peel. If not, some body shops have cleaners that take
> those stickers right off.
>


Use the hair dryer trick to loosen the the decal. Peel slowly to get
as much of the adhesive off with the decal as possible. No razor
blades allowed!!!! Drive over to a friendly paint shop and ask them
for paper towel's worth of Prep-Sol to clean off the remaining gunk.
You will then want to wax the spot for a consistent sheen &
protection.

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger 4X4 S-cab STX

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:00:48 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Dealer Decals

John Yee wrote:

> WD-40 works well too. I've not had any problems with it discoloring paint,
> but I don't spray it all over, and clean it up as soon as possible.


I think WD-40 is Kerosene based. Not sure what this will do to paint.

TC

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:26:25 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: Dealer Decals

At 03:00 PM 10/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>John Yee wrote:
>
>> WD-40 works well too. I've not had any problems with it discoloring paint,
>> but I don't spray it all over, and clean it up as soon as possible.
>
>
>I think WD-40 is Kerosene based. Not sure what this will do to paint.

I've used it on at least 3 vehicles with clear coat. Multiple times, but
most likely, not the same location *and* in small quantities.
No visual effect/damage to the clear coat. I suppose I should re-read the
label and double check though; at least determine if i've been lucky or not.

I acknowledge that WD-40 *is* a solvent, and would not suggest long term
contact with painted surfaces.

I'll report further, if I need to do further back pedaling :-).

- -john

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:29:07 -0700
From: cfoye BayNetworks.COM (Chris Foye)
Subject: Re: BG Products

I have heard of BG products and have a rep who lives two doors down from me.
I have used their products but, I caution to use them again. The rep
wanted to do a radiator flush with his BG products on my 92 Bronco with 68k
miles, now I don't know if it was coincidence or what but, about a month
later my water pump went out on me. He did do the same flush on a 90 Honda
with 88K miles and haven't had any problems. I also used a fuel additive
and soon noticed that the in tank fuel pump was louder. Coincidence? or
did I just take notice? I'm sure they have some very good products and
they sell their stuff to local dealers who use them on our vehicles when we
get them serviced, it's just that I'm a little bit skeptical of additives
and such.
You can check out their web page at

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fn.net/~bgprod/index.html



At 05:43 PM 10/7/97 -0400, bigguy wrote...
>Has anyone heard of BG products? I was told that MOA oil additive is
>some good stuff. I was wondering if anyone has heard of this stuff and
>if you could tell me what it is.
>
>I am also looking for some power mods for a 94 V6 4.0L. If you guys
>have any good power mods let me know.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:00:05 -0600
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Dealer Decals

- ----------
> From: Brian Pynn
> To: 'fordnatics lists.best.com'; 'fordtrucks80up ListService.net'
> Subject: Dealer Decals
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:20 AM
>
> All this talk about "TruckSuck?" stickers has reminded me I'd like to
> get rid of a few stickers of my own. My 97 Ranger was delivered with
> hideous dealer name decals stuck on both side panels of my truck
> directly underneath the Ranger XL badges. They're plain white and
> contrast horribly with both the factory badge and the cayman green
> color. Any suggestions for removing these decals w/o damaging the
> clearcoat? Also, I tried nail polish remover and windex on the inside
> of my passenger window, but still can't get the residue of the factory
> options and price sheet sticker off. It's this ugly square of glue that
> I'd like to remove. Thanks.
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
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I have found the best way to get rid of stickers is to use a heat gun or a
hair dryer.
What you need is the dryer, pliers, and that should be all for getting rid
of the sticker.
To take it off, get the sticker as hot as possible, w/o buring your paint,
then slowly peal
it off with the pliers. After you get it off, sometimes there is a sticky
resedue left over the
best thing to take that off is 3M adhesive remover.

My dad owns a fleet of fords that all have had company stickers that I have
had to take off
from time to time.... and this is the best method that I have found.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:12:22 -0500
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