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fordtrucks80up-digest Monday, October 6 1997 Volume 01 : Number 149



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In this issue:

Re: Pinging ["C. E. White" ]
Re: PLEASE FORD, TELL US IT'S ONLY A BAD DREAM [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The]
Re: Ford Customer Service address [Thom Cheney ]
Re: ADMIN: Binary attachments - solution ["David J. Baldwin"
'95 Ranger Shift Noise [Bradley and Debbie Miller ]
Re: PINGING ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
F 250 Limited slip rear [Andrew T Vincitore ]
Re: smisen cyberhighway.net [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: 95 4wd problem [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Group Effort [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Re: Group Effort [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: a tale of two trucks [Jason Lester ]
351EFI to 460 Carburated? [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Re: a tale of two trucks [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Re: a tale of two trucks [Joe Maleski ]
Buying a 88 F250 4x4 ["jayvanv teleport.com" ]
Re: 95 4wd problem [Pete Wilhite ]
RE: 1999 F-250 HD OFF-ROAD Package ["Beaman, James"
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146 [Ditzy aol.com]
Switching tanks stalls motor and Check Engine light [VA Brian

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:28:56 -0400
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: Pinging

John W. McCleney Jr. wrote:
>
> Good morning to all,
> On my 1991 f-150 with 5.0 aod 4x2 with 180,000 I just recently
> installed a k+n air filter.

> 2nd. Right after the installation I noticed a pinging under power. I'm
> sure adding this filter wouldn't cause it to ping, right? It seems
> funny that I didn't notice the pinging before. Any ideas???
> thanks

I can think of two reasons:

1) The filter has reduced the throttling effect of the stock air filter
so you can get more air into the engine. This could increase peak
compression pressure and lead to pinging. This should only show up under
full throttle.

2) The new air filter has a different noise conduction path and allows
you to hear the pinging that was always there (my number 1 guess).

3) You just happen to buy a new tank of gas around the same time as the
air filter was installed and the pinging and air filter change are not
related.

4) The new air filter draws in hotter air which might lead to pinging
(not likely).

5) The air filter "confuses" the mass air flow sensor and you are now
running a leaner mixture (I don't know if your truck has a Mass Air Flow
Sensor, my old F150 doesn't). I suppose even if you don't have a MAF
sensor the change in the inlet track might "confuse" the sensors enough
to slightly change your mixture and lead to pinging.

Ed

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:32:27 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: PLEASE FORD, TELL US IT'S ONLY A BAD DREAM

> Nope, you're right, they do look like the Ram. I too was disappointed by
> the Ram/front end influence in the prototypes I saw back in June. Ford
> fans better get used to the ribbing we're going to get from the Dodge crowd
> when the F-350 is introduced next year.

They can rib all they want. I talked to my dealer over the weekend,
and although he says he hasn't seen anything on the new trucks yet,
he did say that an intercooled Powerstroke will be available that
puts out a stump-pulling 500 lb-ft of torque!

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 07:45:37 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Ford Customer Service address

Ted L wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Here's the address, but don't expect much more than a form letter response.
> They'll refer you back to your selling dealer. They're basically useless.
>
> Ford Motor Company
> Customer Service
> 300 Renaissance Center
> P.O. Box 43360
> Detroit, MI 48243
>
> Later,
>
> Ted
> mailto:tlister netcarrier.com
>
> From: Chris Foye
> Subject: Ford Customer Service address
> >I am looking for Ford Customer Service address and can't seem to find it on
> >anywhere on their web page.
> >Chris
>


I got an 800# from the 1-800-555-1212 directory. I just asked for
Ford's cusotmer service #. Got a live body at Ford & a follow-up
"how-did-we-do" form. Unfortunately, I didn't write down the #.....

good luck!

TC

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:30:52 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Binary attachments - solution

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> The complaints about binary attachments are starting to come in
> again.

> If all else fails, dump your Microsoft
> or Netscape mailer and get a mailer that's friendly with the
> rest of the world. Windozs users should try Eudora lite:
> www.eudora.com
> Its free and a very good package.
>
> Ken

Ken,

I went from my beloved "elm" reader to Netscape's mail utility when
people started sending me Adobe Acrobat attachments. Netscape's has a
lot to recommend it, like seeing attached ".gif" files right in your
message. I've not had any complaints to date from my postings, but
maybe people are being nice and not flaming me.

For what it's worth, I have my Mail preferences set to "allow 8-bit" not
"MIME", which is the other choice.

Of course Netscape has things I don't like, like the address book, and
the fact that I can't use the "vi" editor. :^) Now THAT should bring
on the flames!

Thanks for the tip on Eudora. I'll check it out. I can use it if it is
SMTP/POP3 compliant--which I thought eudora was not. Thanks for
maintaining this list, too--you've got a lot of people to keep happy.
How's the job search going?

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:06:46 -0500
From: Bradley and Debbie Miller
Subject: '95 Ranger Shift Noise

I've got an interesting problem. I've got a '95 Ranger Splash with the
4.0L and a 5 spd. (Regular cab - 2 wd) When I go to shift sometimes and
am rolling forward, with the clutch in, I get a loud buzz or grating noise
from the handle --- almost like you were trying to shift without the clutch
in. The weird part is the clutch is flat on the floor. I've questioned
myself before on whether I had the clutch all the way in, but I *KNOW* it's
been all the way in and yet I've got the weird noise. I've never had it
happen in any other gear other than the 2nd-1st shift. I don't think it
happens with the truck stopped.

Any hints????

Thanks in advance!!


Bradley Miller
ByStar Partners - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bystar.com
Midwest Shelby Dodge Club - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.shelbydodge.org
Mini Beeper Project - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lake-ozark.mo.us/OurNeon
'83 Dodge Shelby Charger (2.2L - 5spd - 40mm Webers)
'97 Dodge Neon Sport (2.0L - 5spd - 150hp) -- Deep amethyst
'95 Ford Ranger Splash (4.0L - 5spd - 150hp) -- Needs more ponies!

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:11:54 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: Re: PINGING

Ok, bud, here's some things to try (just went through hell to find some
pinging in my Bronco!):

The filter *should* not cause pinging in and of itself. It should give you
a bit more power (not a lot) and a bit better mileage (if you keep your
foot off the floor).

FIRST & FOREMOST, insure that it is pinging by adding a bottle of octane
booster. STP & 104+ are two brands that have a good reputation. If the
pinging under acceleration stops, then we can analyze further. If it
continues, then it may not be pinging (detonation). Anything loose along
your exhaust & possibly your transmission can sound like a ping.

Check your plugs & plug wires. Run truck in the dark (closed garage) with
hood open to check for arcing on wires. Don't run too long in the garage
or you'll get carbon monoxide poisoning! You'll see it quickly if it's
there (remember to unplug the hood light).

Your plugs will have a red dust on them if you used 104+ (not sure about
STP) that looks like rust. Ignore that. Find a HAYNES manual & look on
the back cover for color pictures of spark plug readings. Obviously,
replace em if they are old. If they are new, you can try one heat range
cooler (ask at the parts counter at your local auto parts store). Most
guys I know don't believe in using platinum plugs of any sort. They prefer
copper core (cheaper!) & just replace them more often (Autolite copper core
are about $.80 each!). Their reasoning is that copper is a much better
conductor, it just doesn't last as long as platinum.

Check your timing (or have it checked). It is possible that the timing has
advanced over the years & needs to be set again.

Vacuum leaks can cause pinging by affecting vacuum advance. Put a piece of
rubber hose to one ear & run the other end along vacuum hoses & connections
while the truck is idling. If you hear hissing, you have a leak.

Your K&N (if purchased new) should've been pre-oiled from the factory. If
you added oil on top of that, that's no good. Wash it & re oil per
instructions.

It's possible that you just noticed the pinging because you were testing
out the K&N by stepping on it more than usual, but it may have been there
for a while. Pinging is *usually* associated with gasoline burning too
quickly because of hot spots in the cylinder (detonation). Higher octane
gas burns slower, so it can prevent the detonation. Try all of the above,
then take it to a mechanic if you can't find a problem.

180,000 miles is quite a bit if you pushed it hard & it hasn't been
rebuilt. Often ignition system replacement is necessary for your forays
into throttle stomping. (MSD, ACCEL, JACOBS, etc all make good replacement
systems that can be less than $200). Don't spend any money though, until
you're sure you need it.

good luck (and yes, my "pinging" turned out to be a loose heat shield on my
exhaust!)
steve


> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:37:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "John W. McCleney Jr."
> Subject: Pinging
>
> Good morning to all,
> On my 1991 f-150 with 5.0 aod 4x2 with 180,000 I just recently
> installed a k+n air filter.
> My first question, is this supposed to help my power or gas mileage,
> or both.
> 2nd. Right after the installation I noticed a pinging under power. I'm
> sure adding this filter wouldn't cause it to ping, right? It seems
> funny that I didn't notice the pinging before. Any ideas???
> thanks
> John McCleney Jr

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:00:59 -0400
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: F 250 Limited slip rear

I posted about this some time ago and got a limited response so here goes=

again...

I have a 1992 F250 2WD supercab. It has an open rear with 373s. I would
like to change it to a limited slip rear. What I need to know is a part =
#
or reccomendation for retrofitting. I assume it is possible to get a used=

one. Is that the best way? I read in the Summit racing catalouge that you=

can change the "spider gears" and have the same effect. (we didn't cover
rear end stuff in my auto shop class 18 yrs ago...) ANY help appreciated.=


Andrew

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:55:48 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: smisen cyberhighway.net

I believe (not positive) that here in Indiana it's legal to swap engines as
long as the the engine you're putting in your vehicle is the same age or
newer than your vehicle in order to pass emissions laws for that model
year. So, if you had an '89 Ranger, you couldn't put a V-8 from an '88
Mustang, but you could from an '89. Make sense? I hope this is the way it
really is because that's what I've always been told. I do see where you're
coming from though, and that may be something I'm not familiar with, but
people do it, so I don't know.

Jerad
'84 Ranger 4x4

Silent . Bob wrote:

> I got this message from a guy that did the v8 swap in a 89 Ranger and is
> need of some help...
>
> Please reply to: smisen cyberhighway.net
>
> --------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>
> From: Joe Fuckknuckle
>
> To whom it may concern,
>
> I could go on and on about my 1989 Ranger that I converted to V8 and how
>
> incredibly fast it is and so on, but it really doesn't matter much since
> here in
> Oregon (more specifically, Portland, OR) it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to
> legally
> register my fast Ranger due to emissions rules and testing. Not that it
> wouldn't
> pass emissions (it has late model Mustang injection) because I'm
> positive that
> it would, but the rules (???) say that it's illegal to swap an engine
> unless it originally
> came equipped with such engine. Stupid, I know, but what can I do???
>
> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR ME???
> HOW DO OTHER PEOPLE REGISTER THEIR V8-SWAPED RANGERS
> IN OTHER STATES (THE RULES MUST BE SIMILAR)???
>
> Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated since I'm at the
> end of
> my rope and am getting ready to sell (if I can!?!) my Ranger.
>
> Thanks...
>
> Steve Misenhimer
> Gresham, OR
> smisen cyberhighway.net
>
> --------- End forwarded message ----------
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:59:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: 95 4wd problem

Is it just the hubs or is it the accual 4wd itself? if it is the whole system
i would say its a transfercase system, not the hubs.
MAtt

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:08:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Group Effort

I GOT AN IDEA!!!!! ( hey i know it scares you but it happens from time to
time) . Lets all write/call/visit our good freinds at ford and tell them to
stuff that big 'ol GT-90 V-12 in there and really make dodge p*ss in their
pants! 700 hp !! ar ar ar ! Whata say?

Matt

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 16:17:50 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: Group Effort

I think it's a great idea! ;) what's the phone number?

BigDogF250 aol.com wrote:

> I GOT AN IDEA!!!!! ( hey i know it scares you but it happens from time to
> time) . Lets all write/call/visit our good freinds at ford and tell them to
> stuff that big 'ol GT-90 V-12 in there and really make dodge p*ss in their
> pants! 700 hp !! ar ar ar ! Whata say?
>
> Matt
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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:34:45 -0400
From: Jason Lester
Subject: Re: a tale of two trucks

I'm not sure about the Ranger problem, but every heavy-duty Ford truck
I've seen has the rusted areas like you described. I think those parts
must not be painted or coated with anything and so they rust as soon as
they're exposed to the elements.

Jason

Your wrote:
>2) My brother in law has a new 97 F350 crewcab diesel.
>Build date is 6/97. We noticed this weekend that under the
>truck, lots of things are rusted, like the brake calipers,
>the center driveshaft, and paint is peeling off the rear diff.
>I told him it seemed to me that the truck had been under
>water or something... Does this seem remotely possible for a
>vehicle that is now under 4 months old to have this much
>rust? Not sheetmetal mind you, just underneath. Anything painted
>black is clean and shiny, except for that peeling on the diff.

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: 351EFI to 460 Carburated?

I have a 5.8L EFI in my truck now but i want more low end, I have looked into
EFI 460's but i hate computers(ironic huh) would it be possible to swap a
70's 460 in? with the engine computers could i remove all the other
computers? What other computers are there? i have no idea about these late
model systems. they confuse me so much . thanks
Matt
92 F250 5.8L 4x4
50 merc 351 coupe
69 mustang 6cyl(in progress 64 427)

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:43:44 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: a tale of two trucks

>2) My brother in law has a new 97 F350 crewcab diesel.
>Build date is 6/97. We noticed this weekend that under the
>truck, lots of things are rusted, like the brake calipers,
>the center driveshaft, and paint is peeling off the rear diff.
>I told him it seemed to me that the truck had been under
>water or something... Does this seem remotely possible for a
>vehicle that is now under 4 months old to have this much
>rust? Not sheetmetal mind you, just underneath. Anything painted
>black is clean and shiny, except for that peeling on the diff.


Well, the peeling paint on the differential is caused by the diff getting
HOT. Not much you can do there, other than using synthetic lube, or
getting a bigger diff. If the brake calipers were painted, they'd
peel quicker than the differential; brakes convert a lot of energy
when they're working! The driveshaft could probably be painted, but
then it would cost a few cents more to build the truck.

- ---

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:44:14 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: a tale of two trucks

>2) My brother in law has a new 97 F350 crewcab diesel.
>Build date is 6/97. We noticed this weekend that under the
>truck, lots of things are rusted, like the brake calipers,
>the center driveshaft, and paint is peeling off the rear diff.
>I told him it seemed to me that the truck had been under
>water or something... Does this seem remotely possible for a
>vehicle that is now under 4 months old to have this much
>rust? Not sheetmetal mind you, just underneath. Anything painted
>black is clean and shiny, except for that peeling on the diff.

You have described my '94 exactly. I just cawled under there with a can of
black Rust-Oleum and repainted everything. They all do this over time.

Joe

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, The Silver Camel

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "jayvanv teleport.com"
Subject: Buying a 88 F250 4x4

I have found a 1988 Ford F250 Supercab 4x4 with a 7.3 Diesel and have a
few questions about it and also want any comments about problem areas, or
general info from anyone who has owned one from this era. It was a Company
truck (Daily driver for the general manager) and has had very good care
and has all the paperwork to back up any repairs or problems. The engine
was replaced in 92, as the original one from the factory was missing rings
in 1 or 2 cylinders(!) and the new engine has about 50,000 miles on it.
The truck has 124K on it now. The body is in good condition, with about 5
small dents in it (on the top of the sides of the bed) The paint is in OK
condition with a couple areas of peeled off paint. It has had recent new
brakes, new alternator, glow plugs, rear tires, starter, stereo, and
repaired power windows. The tie rods were replaced in 92. It has seen very
little 4x4 duty, mainly inclement weather or hunting trips. It is the XLT
model and has air/tilt/cruise/power windows and locks/cloth interior. I
have been looking for a diesel although I was looking for something newer
with less miles. However, since I know the guy, he is willing to give me
what appears to be a great deal on it at only $6000.=20

What problem areas does this truck have? I have heard reports of front end
problems on this era of Ford 4x4's. Is this true? What are the problems?=20

Fuel mileage is supposed to be around 17-18 empty, and 12 loaded. Does
this sound about right?=20

The truck has a been in the shop for a new alternator, regulator and
checking up on charging problems. All of this area has been replaced and
supposedly as long as you plug in the block heaer on cold nites it starts=
=20
easily. Should I be concerned about this?

Please either reply directly or CC: me if you reply to the list so I can
easily get the replies and respond to them, My mail program doesn't digest
lists very well when replying ;)=20

Thanks for any input any of you can give me on this!=20

=2E.Jay =20

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:15:28 -0700
From: Pete Wilhite
Subject: Re: 95 4wd problem

At 10:18 AM 10/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I could use some info regarding a problem I am having with my 95 F-150.
>It has been clunking in the front wheels for over a year now...

Unplug the transfer case electric shifter. The plug is located on the side
of the transfer case under the vehicle. Drive it for a while and if the
hubs still try to engage you probably have a transfer case problem. ANY
rotation of the front drive shaft will lock the fronts hubs. A weak shift
component in the transfer case (shift fork bent etc.) could cause the front
drive shaft to intermittently rotate. If it does, the hubs will try to
lock. All it takes is about one third of a turn. I have seen it where just
the surface tension of the oil will cause a slight rotation of the front
drive line, especially at freeway speeds.
If the problem DOES NOT persist when you unplug the electric shift control
you have an electronic failure. A bad relay could cause a problem like yours.
Let me know what happens and I might be able to help more.


********************
Pete Wilhite
peterw qualcomm.com

Office: W170G2
(619) 651-0546
pager: (619) 636-8398
********************

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:52:13 -0500
From: "Beaman, James"
Subject: RE: 1999 F-250 HD OFF-ROAD Package

>Josh wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
>The off-road package will be available on the 1999 F-250 and F-350.
>It gives you skid plates on the transfer case and fuel tank, and you
>get the "Off-Road 4x4" decal.

What about tire size? Anything available taller than the 265/16 or
265/17 (about 32 inches)?

James Beaman
james.beaman lmco.com
Houston, Texas
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ditzy aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #146

Does anybody have any new information on the new 1999 F-350? If so please
let me know I can't wait untill Jan. to find out!!! Thanks!!!!

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 19:14:35 -0400
From: VA Brian
Subject: Switching tanks stalls motor and Check Engine light

The patient - 1993 F150 with 302 motor and dual gas tanks, 98K
miles. Two problems - switching gas tanks stalls the motor, and
Check Engine light.

For the first 90K miles, switching gas tanks while driving always
worked well. Then for a few thousand miles, the motor would sputter
or hesitate while switching tanks, but then recover and keep going.....

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