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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, September 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 138



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In this issue:

Starter removal [David Hertzberg ]
fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #137 -Reply [David F McCutcheon
Re: where's the fuel filter? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: where's the fuel filter? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Ranger Pickup Truck [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Ranger Pickup Truck [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
98 RANGER ["Patrick Ward" ]
Re: Oil Filters ?... [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Ranger Pickup Truck [Thom Cheney ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #137 [BRIGANDBAR aol.com]
RE: Ranger Pickup Truck [Brian Pynn ]
Re: Spark Plug Recommendations [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: FW: Oil Filters ?... [Joe Maleski ]
re:Ranger Pickup Truck [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: where's the fuel filter? [James Federline
re: 2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J T]
Xfer case oil ? [Bakend aol.com]
Re: Ranger Pickup Truck ["David J. Baldwin" ]
RE: Got the PowerStroke!! Have a few questions [Ron Madurski

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 05:48:46 PDT
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: Starter removal

I own a 1988 F250, 7.3 international diesel engine. I need to remove the starter
to install a pre-oiler on the frame adjacent to the starter; then I will put the
starter back in place. My question: how many bolts hold the starter in place?
It appears that there are two 1/2 inch bolts that need to be removed, but when I
took them out the starter did not budge. Do I tap it with a rubber mallet to get
it loose? I don't think its ever been removed. Thanks for any advice. David

David and Leila Hertzberg
Greystoke Farm
Gaithersburg, Maryland
301-482-0016
ACdhertz us-state.osis.gov


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:27:29 -0500
From: David F McCutcheon
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #137 -Reply

My 96 F-350 crew cab dually with Powerstroke, 4:11 rear axle and 5 speed manual gets
15.0 - 15.5 around town, 16.0 on the road solo, and 11.0 on the road towing my 7500 lb
31' travel trailer. Doesn't seem to matter if its flat like here in South Louisiana or up in the
Colorado mountains. It's got 30,000 miles on it now and doesn't seem to have changed
any with time, maybe a 1/2 mpg increase if any.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:00:03 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: where's the fuel filter?

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:30:42 -0400 "Ted L"
writes:
>Under the drivers side door area on the frame rail. Be careful removing
it,
>since it's under pressure. You'll get an unhappy splash of gas in the
>face if you're not careful.

Or in ear turning your head to keep it from hitting your face....
....that stuff burns!

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:00:02 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: where's the fuel filter?

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:59:20 -0800 Mark Ponsford
writes:
>I've got an '88 F150 302/5spd thats getting up near the 100K mark. I
>figure
>It should be needing a new fuel filter in it soon. I popped the hood
>and
>took a look around but I don't see anything that resembles a fuel
>filter.
>
>Where's it hiding? Is there a separate filter for each tank?
>
>TIA
>

The filter should be under the bed on the drivers side if im not
mistaken. At least that's how it is on my 93 351.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:00:02 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: 2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger

A friend of mine that works for Ford knew that I wanted to put some new
3.45's or 3.73's rear end gears in my truck. Well last night he called
me and told me that he could get me a whole rear end that came out of a
Windstar that had 4.10's and had less than 30,000 miles on it for $150.
He said that the reason why the took the rear end out was because the
owner kept complaining about it and the dealership basically sold him a
new rear end when all it really needed was to be shimed. (that's how guys
like me get parts cheap).

Anyway, its a pretty good deal and I could swap the gears and sell the
rear end and get my money back, but Im not so sure about going with 4.10
gears in my truck.

My question is, how much more gas am I going to be sucking if I go from
2.73's to 4.10's?

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:00:03 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Ranger Pickup Truck

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:17:37 -0600 prsr213 ameritech.net writes:
>I currently own a Ford F150 regular cab XL, with a 8ft box and 2wd, a
>'93 model. Has anyone had any experience with Ford Ranger's? I have
>been looking at the new '98's, and one that caught my eye was a reg.
>cab
>4wd with the 4.0 V6 engine. Thinking about downsizing because I just
>don't need that big of a truck anymore. Any info. would be
>appreciated.
>Thank You.


My 95 works great for what I use it for. A friend of mine that works for
Ford is going to let me test drive the new 98. He says they drive a lot
better, but the older models are a little bit better for moderate off
road driving.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:00:03 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Ranger Pickup Truck

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:44:22 -0500 "Bradford S. Generous"
writes:
>Hey Paul, I used to own a 95' with a 4 cyl and absolutely hated it. I
>didn't have enough power to get out of its own way. I traded it in for
>a 95
>full size extended cab w/5.8 and love this truck. I talked to some
>friend
>of mine that own rangers and they said that the 4.0L is the only way
>to go.
>I cant say myself because I have never driven one, but if you do get a
>ranger, stay away from the 4 cyl.
>


Yes, the 4 banger does lack a lot of power, but if you are looking for a
good low maintance, low gas milage, cool running, then the 2.3L is the
way to go. With some simple and cheap mods, you can improve the horse
power without hurting gas milage.

I also have a 93 f150 extended cab with a 351/5.8L, but if Im going to
haul 500 lbs in the bed or haul a john boat for more than 100 miles, then
Ill use the Ranger.


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Date: 30 Sep 1997 08:00:05 -0700
From: "Patrick Ward"
Subject: 98 RANGER

I saw a 98 for the for the first time yesterday.It was a 4X4 super cab,(i =
have
a 93 4X4 super cab).I wasen't to impressed.The front end is so-so but the =
wheels
and the new one piece fender flair, mud flap have got to go.

PJW...

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:03:18 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Oil Filters ?...

Steve Irving wrote:
>
> Wellll.........I used Fram filters for years on my Chevy's. never had a
> problem. Then I bought a new 1996 F-150......
> First Fram filter I used on it leaked, replaced it with another Fram, leaked
> again. Replaced it with a Motorcraft....perfecto.
> I've used only Motorcraft filters on it ever since.
> Ford just pulled a deal with aftermarket distributors (Autozone,
> etc..)....Motorcraft parts are no ONLY available through the dealer. Good
> news is that Ford is offering much better prices to the dealers, so the cost
> should be comparable to what we were seeing aftermarket.
>
> Oh yeah.....my wife's 1997 Mercury Villager has "accepted" Deutsch oil
> filters quite well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Scola
>
> >> On the Toyota list I s*bscribe to; one topic of religious opinions is
> >> that of Toyota Oil Filters vs. aftermarket (usually Fram)...
> >>
> >> My question to this list is what is the Oil Filter brand of choice for
> >> gasoline Ford Trucks. Is there any reason why I should pay the extra
> >> bucks to the Ford parts man instead of using a Fram? Anyone like any
> >> other aftermarket brands?
>

The fleet where I used to work (1 Ranger, 2 F350's, 1 diesel, 1 Chev
crew cab) was meticulously maintained (to make up for the unabashed
hauling and towing abuses we heaped on those trucks). They bought
Fram filters by the case & changed them every 2500 miles. Not one of
those trucks leaked or burned oil in the 4 years I was there (except
that Ranger, when they forgot to refill the oil.... but that's another
story.....). So, the Fram could be credited with contributing to that
longevity.

IMO it doesn't matter THAT much which brand you use.....just change it
often.

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger 4X4 S-cab STX

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:54:59 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Ranger Pickup Truck

prsr213 ameritech.net wrote:
>
> I currently own a Ford F150 regular cab XL, with a 8ft box and 2wd, a
> '93 model. Has anyone had any experience with Ford Ranger's? I have
> been looking at the new '98's, and one that caught my eye was a reg. cab
> 4wd with the 4.0 V6 engine. Thinking about downsizing because I just
> don't need that big of a truck anymore. Any info. would be appreciated.
> Thank You.
>

I have almost 1 month experience with my '97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX. I
was nervous to buy it because I have had crappy luck with domestic
vehicles. Reports from just about every auto publication made me
willing to try the Ranger.

Like you, I don't need a big truck. My hauling is limited to the
occasional sheet of plywood, fertilizer for the garden and camping
equipment. I am happy with the power the 4.0 seems to deliver. I
think this engine could do a LOT more, but it seems reasonable for now
(at least until the warranty runs out!!!).

The big difference with the '98's seem to center on the suspension. I
also understand they "boxed" the frame rails, making them much
stiffer. My truck has the optional 265/-15 tires and the handling pkg
(front & rear sway bars). The handling seems pretty tight. Even with
the higher center of gravity I seem to have less body roll than the
2wd Toyota I traded up from.

Ford sells a s**tload of Rangers (although in all honesty, a lot of
them go to fleets and gov't agencies). I figure they must be doing
SOMETHING right.

The only caveat I would offer is that Ford has a BAD habit of working
the kinks out of new designs by "beta" testing them on the buying
public. If you can hold out for a year, or pick up the odd '97 left
on the lot, you might be a tad happier.

my .02...

Thom Cheney

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: BRIGANDBAR aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #137

I went through the same problem with my 94 Powerstroke, except eventually it
got to the point that it wouldn't start at all. Its garage kept at home so I
know that temperature wasn't the real problem.. It just started out with the
same problem yours did and went downhill.

Yes, its under the 100k warranty, and I would strongly suggest that you have
it repaired before it leaves you out somewhere (i.e. off-road). I was lucky
enough for the final blow to occur in the garage.

Good Luck

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:22:37 -0700
From: Brian Pynn
Subject: RE: Ranger Pickup Truck

Like Thom, I too just recently purchased a 97 Ranger S-Cab. It has a
5-sp and the 3.0 L engine...plus the Splash suspension and 235/60 - 15
tires. With my handling package it's super to drive around (handles
better than many lower end sport coupes), but if you're going to go
regular package you should probably have a 98 with the suspension and
frame improvements. I agree you should have the 4.0L....I've noticed my
smaller V6 tends to let me know its working--even though it does the job
satisfactorily, it's a little louder than I'd like it under load. Other
than a few minor quirks--like the turn signal being too low (always
bangs my leg when I turn left)--it's proving to be a great little truck
that gets a lot of looks and is a lot of fun to scoot around in. Good
luck with whatever you choose.

> ----------
> From: Thom Cheney[SMTP:tcgrafx imagina.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 5:54 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: Re: Ranger Pickup Truck
>
> prsr213 ameritech.net wrote:
> >
> > I currently own a Ford F150 regular cab XL, with a 8ft box and 2wd,
> a
> > '93 model. Has anyone had any experience with Ford Ranger's? I
> have
> > been looking at the new '98's, and one that caught my eye was a reg.
> cab
> > 4wd with the 4.0 V6 engine. Thinking about downsizing because I
> just
> > don't need that big of a truck anymore. Any info. would be
> appreciated.
> > Thank You.
> >
>
> I have almost 1 month experience with my '97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX. I
> was nervous to buy it because I have had crappy luck with domestic
> vehicles. Reports from just about every auto publication made me
> willing to try the Ranger.
>
> Like you, I don't need a big truck. My hauling is limited to the
> occasional sheet of plywood, fertilizer for the garden and camping
> equipment. I am happy with the power the 4.0 seems to deliver. I
> think this engine could do a LOT more, but it seems reasonable for now
>
> (at least until the warranty runs out!!!).
>
> The big difference with the '98's seem to center on the suspension. I
>
> also understand they "boxed" the frame rails, making them much
> stiffer. My truck has the optional 265/-15 tires and the handling pkg
>
> (front & rear sway bars). The handling seems pretty tight. Even with
>
> the higher center of gravity I seem to have less body roll than the
> 2wd Toyota I traded up from.
>
> Ford sells a s**tload of Rangers (although in all honesty, a lot of
> them go to fleets and gov't agencies). I figure they must be doing
> SOMETHING right.
>
> The only caveat I would offer is that Ford has a BAD habit of working
> the kinks out of new designs by "beta" testing them on the buying
> public. If you can hold out for a year, or pick up the odd '97 left
> on the lot, you might be a tad happier.
>
> my .02...
>
> Thom Cheney
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:00:02 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Spark Plug Recommendations

On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:43:00 -0700 Jim Perkins
writes:
>I am getting ready to change the plugs in my '91 F150 351W and
>wondered what the conventional wisdom was on spark plug choice.
>Should
>I stay with stock Motorcrafts? Platinum plugs? Different heat range?
>Any comments would be appreciated.

The stock plugs work fine on my 351. Just make sure they are gaped right
and you should be fine.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:23:38 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: FW: Oil Filters ?...

Folks,

On all of my vehicles I have been using Fram filters since day one. Only
once or twice in about 20 years have I had one fail to seal. You find this
out real quick by running the engine for a few minutes after the oil
change. (My Dad taught me this.) I figure as long as I keep up the oil
changes to once every 3000 miles or two months, I'll be fine even if the
Fram filters are crap, as I've heard before.

By the way, on the late-model 460, the recommended Fram filter is a PH8A.
I use a PH977A instead, since it has more capacity and it fits. No
problems in several years.

Joe

>> My question to this list is what is the Oil Filter brand of choice for
>> gasoline Ford Trucks. Is there any reason why I should pay the extra
>> bucks to the Ford parts man instead of using a Fram? Anyone like any
>> other aftermarket brands?

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, The Silver Camel

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:23:36, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re:Ranger Pickup Truck

Hey,

I have a '98 with a 4.0L and a 5 speed. Its a 4x2 with reg cab and
short box.
I LOVE it. I had a '95 with a 4 banger, but this V6 is absolutely
amazing.

I love the new looks and handling of my truck. I always thought I
would want to but an F-150, but I'm a smaller guy and don't do a lot
of hauling. In matter of fact, non at all. Oh yeah, my paycheck
also determined what I was to buy. I hope this helps.

Josh

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:28:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Federline
Subject: Re: where's the fuel filter?

On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Silent . Bob wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:30:42 -0400 "Ted L"
> writes:
> >Under the drivers side door area on the frame rail. Be careful removing
> it,
> >since it's under pressure. You'll get an unhappy splash of gas in the
> >face if you're not careful.
>
> Or in ear turning your head to keep it from hitting your face....
> ....that stuff burns!

You're not kidding. I always grounded the injector 1 and applied 12v to
release the pressure before changing fuel filters in FI vehicles. I didn't
do it once, thinking "Just how much gas will it dump anyways?" Bad idea.
Big mess and burning armpits.

The procedure for depressurizing fuel systems is covered in even the
cheaper repair manuals. If you don't like the gas mess (some people I know
don't care and just tie a towel around their wrist to soak it all up) this
is the way to go.

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Principal Consultant "Actual Solutions To Real Problems"
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:36:58, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 2.73 to 4.10 gears in a 2.3L Ranger

Your '95 with a 4 banger already has 3.73 gears in it. If you have
the P195/70R14 tires, then you'll have the 3.45's. My guess is the 3.
73's. If you put 4.10's in it, the mileage shouldn't drop a whole
lot because there isn't a big difference in gears. I would say go
for it, cause you can get off the line quicker.

I work a Ford dealership and checked out a source book for '97s.
That is where I found that gear ratio.

Anyway, I hope you have fun testing the '98. I have one and
completly love it. I had a '95 with a 2.3 and a stick and I thought
that was OK. I bought this with a 4.0L and a stick with 3.55s and
limited slip. It is a lot of fun. Both trucks are regular cab,
shortbox, 4x2s. This 98 handles better and I love the looks.

My $.02


Josh

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Xfer case oil ?

Hi,
My 87 Ranger had gear lube in the transfer case when I rebuilt it. I see in
the Chiltons manual it calls for DexronII. Is the book right? Does it make a
difference? It would seem to be a major difference to me! What do you run in
yours? Is this aquick fix to quiet down a noisy Xfer case? Or what?
Any help or opinions?
Dennis Baken

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:19:10 -0500
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: Ranger Pickup Truck

prsr213 ameritech.net wrote:
>
> I currently own a Ford F150 regular cab XL, with a 8ft box and 2wd, a
> '93 model. Has anyone had any experience with Ford Ranger's? I have
> been looking at the new '98's, and one that caught my eye was a reg. cab
> 4wd with the 4.0 V6 engine. Thinking about downsizing because I just
> don't need that big of a truck anymore. Any info. would be appreciated.
> Thank You.

I know these trucks have changed alot, but I had a '90 model 4wd 4.0L
regular cab and the short bed. The 4.0 really pulled this well, and I
would say better than the 5.0 pulls my F-150 that I have now.
Acceleration was good.

Problems I had (these may have been fixed--others please comment):

(1) Driveline resonance--droning in the cab at about 67MPH. Has to do
with severe driveshaft angles due to short bed/reg cab/4wd combination.
Longbeds/supercabs and 2wd should not have this problem.
(2) Front hubs--the "touch drive" 4wd had automatic locking hubs which
were fragile and kept breaking. I did no off-road driving. Just used
it on snow. They used to have a plastic part in there--they may have
changed this.
(3) REAL tail-happy! I'm sure this is related to short wheelbase and
stiff springs on the 4wd. Hitting chuckholes under acceleration would
bounce the rear-end out sideways. This was actually kind of fun!

I enjoyed the truck, but the stiff spring rates and short wheelbase made
that thing buck like a wild horse. My wife HATED it--said it made "her
insides hurt".

If I were to buy a Ranger again, it would be like this:

2WD: Supercab or long bed, 4.0L, auto or manual.
4WD: Supercab or long bed, 4.0L, auto or manual, manual front hubs.

But that's just my opinion. Good luck! And remember: don't buy anything
that your wife will hate!

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:52:16 -0500
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: RE: Got the PowerStroke!! Have a few questions

- -----Original Message-----
From:Chris Foye [SMTP:cfoye BayNetworks.COM]
Sent:Monday, September 29, 1997 4:13 PM
To:fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Subject:Got the PowerStroke!! Have a few questions

Hey Guys,

Well, everything worked out and I was able to get an F350 crew with the
PowerStroke. I took it on it's first trip with boat in tow. I was very
pleased with the towing capabilities, hardly knew it was back there, it now
has 450 miles on it. First, fill up indicated about 11-12 miles to the

Does this seem low to anyone else? I get about 17-18 on my 85 with a 6.9L
4WD extended cab F250, and it only drops to 15-16 towing my car. I don't
really know what the powerstroke is (maybe in 10 years when I can afford
one of them I'll find out, it is a Diesel right?), but I would think that....


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