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fordtrucks80up-digest Saturday, September 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 109



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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #108 ["Mike Jones"]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [James Federline
Grille Gaurd for '93 Ranger 4x4 STX ["Bryan A. Dann" ]
Re: Ford V-8` [Paul Laughlin ]
87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles [Timothy P Fagrey
Anyone Had Luck Ordering Parts Online? [Joe Maleski ]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Max Dooley ]
Re: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles [Charles Cohn
take me off [ERI302 aol.com]
FS: 1996 F250 Powerstroke [db ols.net]
Re: Ordering window 1997 F250 HD [jbasler cape.com]
Quit whining [Edward A Arkin ]
RE: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles ["Mark J. Salvetti"
Re: Ford V-8` [PhilDyson aol.com]
RE: 1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF ["Lou Guerriero"
'93 Explorer Upgrade ["Ryan S. Mills" ]

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:56:29 -0400
From: "Mike Jones"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #108

Todd,
I have a 4.9L 6 1990 F150 2wd and have a somewhat same problem - when
one tank is empty, I switch over to the other one. The gauge registers
full after
switch over but the tank gauge declines rather quickly to the level of the
original
tank - I then switch back and the first tank reads full. I then proceed to
use the
fuel from the second tank. It seems as though the empty tank fills from
the full one.
Anyone with some clues?
Tim,

Tim/Todd;

There may have been a recall covering this. If not, there should be. A
friends wife was driving an F-150 (not even hers) when one tank began
filling the other, overflowed the one tank (how, I'm not sure) which caught
the truck on fire in spectacular fashion. (She received some serious burns
but recovered, fortunately).

This is not one to wait around on. Get it fixed!

Mike J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:06:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Federline
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 silent.bob juno.com wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:11:09 -0500 Jerad Heffner writes:
> >Does anyone know of a relatively cheap way to get more HP out of the
> >2.3
> >Is a K&N
> >filter worth the money in a 2.3L Ranger? Any other cheap fixes? BTW,
>
> Yes, the K&N air filter does help in your top end power.

I'll vouch for the K&N filter, too. More pickup when entering the freeway
with a nice rev. :)

Also, for Rangers with EECIV engine management, Superchips has a
performance chip. They claim 5-15% midrange torque increase along with
5-15 HP increase. Side effect: must run premium gasoline. (Not a downside
in my book.)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superchips.com/

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:05:18 -0400
From: "Bryan A. Dann"
Subject: Grille Gaurd for '93 Ranger 4x4 STX

Does anyone know of a grille gaurd that will fit the '93 Ranger STX
with factory driving lights. Every manufacture I have looked will not
fit the STX package with factory driving. please help.

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:53:43 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: Ford V-8`

MR JOSH J TENNEY wrote:
>
> 352? Has anyone ever heard of that engine? I know I have. We have a
> '64 Galaxie Convertible with a 352 and an auto. We also have a '66 F-
> 250 4x4 with only 9,400 original miles on it and it has a 352 with a
> 4 speed. We used to have a '65 F-250 4x4 with only 21,000 original
> miles on it and it had a 352 with a 4 speed. We just can't seem to
> stay away from that engine. Damn strong engine though.
>
>
I believe that the 360 and 390 engines were basically the same
block with minor stroke and bore changes. They were all good
engines.
Paul Laughlin
'87 E350 Dually Transvan
460 engine

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:07:54 -0700
From: Timothy P Fagrey
Subject: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

I called up my local Ford dealer and they ran my VIN through the computer
for recalls and they called me back and said I had three recalls. At least one recall
had to do with the fuel - switch and I think pressure regulator - I will email the details
if you need. By the way the Ford dealer said to bring it in and they will fix it at no
charge.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:35:43 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Anyone Had Luck Ordering Parts Online?

Folks,

This past Monday after doing an internet search I found about a half dozen
or so Ford dealers who have web pages for their parts departments, offering
on line quotes (via E-Mail) and UPS shipping after credit card
authorization over the phone. OK, so now it is Friday afternoon and so far
*not one* response to my request for pricing on a couple of fuel pumps to
solve that pesky vapor lock problem.

Question: Have any of you had any luck ordering parts this way? Any
recommendations short of just going down to the local dealer and buying the
things the old-fashioned way? By the way, Carter does indeed make an
aftermarket fuel pump, but the price is $170.00.

Thanks!

Joe

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Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, The Silver Camel

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:26:17 -0400
From: Max Dooley
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

Jerad Heffner wrote:
> What about the 2.9L? There's also the 2.8, but problems with the lifters abound,
> so i've been told. I believe the '86 and newer models could have the 2.9 V6?
> Anyone have HP numbers on that? and maybe gas milage too?


I had a '90 ranger 2WD 2.9 5-speed, Was rated for 140HP. This made for
a very quick truck. Many times I out ran older porsche's and could
keep up with mustang 5.0's thru 2nd. gear. The only other ranger PU
that ever beat me was a 4.0l 5-speed ranger. But he didn't get me by
much and my motor was totally stock.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:49:26 -0400
From: Charles Cohn
Subject: Re: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

At 10:26 AM 9/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem is
>thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
>position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register the
>appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
>about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from the
>front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
>remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was working
>correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has been
>full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) and
>it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Todd
>
>Todd,
>I have a 4.9L 6 1990 F150 2wd and have a somewhat same problem - when
>one tank is empty, I switch over to the other one. The gauge registers
full after
>switch over but the tank gauge declines rather quickly to the level of the
original
>tank - I then switch back and the first tank reads full. I then proceed
to use the
>fuel from the second tank. It seems as though the empty tank fills from
the full one.
>Anyone with some clues?
>
Maybe the electric tank selector valve isn't working, or maybe the fuse or
wiring feeding ther selector valve has a problem.


Charles Cohn

6311 Mark Trail, Austell, Georgia 30168, USA

(770)944-7510, chasmagc mindspring.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:16:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: ERI302 aol.com
Subject: take me off

hey can you people please take me off this mailing list???????

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: db ols.net
Subject: FS: 1996 F250 Powerstroke

For sale: 1996 F250 XL powerstroke diesel regular cab long bed 2 wheel drive
5 speed. White with blue vinyl interior. The only options on this truck are
A/C, AM/FM, tilt, cruise, rear step bumper, and frame hitch (not wired for
trailer brakes, but is wired for trailer lights). Only 15,000 miles on this
truck at the current time. I am the original owner. There are some light
scratches INSIDE the bed, but other than that, the truck is absolutely like
new (but could really use a washing). The rear axle is a 3.55 ratio and I
typically get around 19 MPG with mixed highway and town driving. I got 23 MPG
on a recent trip to northern Minnesota from North Carolina. The tires are in
excellent shape, and all required maintenance has been performed on schedule.
I am asking $20000 FIRM (absolutely non-negotiable). Located near
Winston-Salem, NC. Please send E-Mail to db ols.net if interested.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:53:50 -0400
From: jbasler cape.com
Subject: Re: Ordering window 1997 F250 HD

Dealers can still take orders for the 1997 F250 and 350 HD trucks. They
are on allocation and some dealers may already have reached their quota.
The window will close by the middle of October it appears. You should still
easily be able to find a dealer that will take your order.

>From: Lou Mallia
>Subject: Order window closed on 1997's?
>
>I called a local auto/truck "buying service" that will order/locate a vehicle
>for you at a very small "no-hassle" profit margin. When I inquired about the
>order window for the 1997 F250, I was told it is already closed, and that Ford
>will begin taking orders around November 15 for 1999 F250's, with delivery set
>to begin in January 1998. Also, I was told that base pricing was same as
>1997,
>but not all option pricing was set at this time.
>
>Can anyone else verify this information? I was hoping to slip in under the
>wire and order a 1997 F250 extended cab 4x4, short bed, 351 5speed. Does
>there seem to be availability of these trucks out there?
>
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>
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:20:00 -0700
>From: John Yee
>Subject: Re: Order window closed on 1997's?
>
>At 08:59 PM 9/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I called a local auto/truck "buying service" that will order/locate a vehicle
>>for you at a very small "no-hassle" profit margin. When I inquired about the
>>order window for the 1997 F250, I was told it is already closed, and that
>>Ford
>>will begin taking orders around November 15 for 1999 F250's, with
>>delivery set
>>to begin in January 1998. Also, I was told that base pricing was same as
>>1997,
>>but not all option pricing was set at this time.
>>
>>Can anyone else verify this information? I was hoping to slip in under the
>>wire and order a 1997 F250 extended cab 4x4, short bed, 351 5speed. Does
>>there seem to be availability of these trucks out there?
>
>Hmmm.
>
>You seem to have some conflicting information based on what's been flying
>around
>here. Are you sure the "buying service" was not confusing the LD F-250
>with the
>HD F250? It's easy to miss this fine point.
>
>In any case, what I know. The 1998 LD F150 - and F250 are orderable now,
>and in the show rooms.
>
>The 1997 HD ordering window will close very soon, if not already.
>(did I get that right?)
>
>The HD F-250 and F-350 is reported to be orderable as early as jan 98, with
>shipments starting in the march/april 98 time frame. Good information
>should be
>trickling into the dealers about the Oct/Nov time frame.
>
>The closest thing to a 351 is the 5.4 liter triton engine, in the HD trucks.
>LD trucks can be had with a 4.6 or 5.4 L engine, and one other choice that
>escapes me.
>
>Pricing for the 98 LD F150 is on kbb.com now.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>- -john

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:07:00 -0700
From: Edward A Arkin
Subject: Quit whining

Re Tom C wait 'til ya add a girlfriend to your list--
its even harder,
i mean more diffacult to do everything you wanna do

Re dual gas tanks--- the only problem i had w/ mine is
that the gauges worked okay when full -- ie registering 'full'
but they both would after 100 miles or so
start dropping real fast-- then go between low, empty, 1/2 full
back to empty and so forth-- thats an advantage of 2 tanks--
just make durn sure ya have at least couple a gallons in one
and run off the other or duh run one for 200 miles then
start in on the other -- then remember to fill up-- since ya
have a 'reserve inn the 1st tank you can empty that one and
use it as a reminder--- however remember it's best to refill
your tank when its 1/4 full that keeps water & the other
goooooop in the tank and not your fuel line, filter carb [or injection]
and engine
again great list
even tho i sold my 85 [keeping the 97] i still read it ecery day
as i can pass along items 2 friends & relatives who have 80+ fords
for 1997 [new body see---- f150list hitchhikers.net ]
thanks ed

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:08:46 -0400
From: "Mark J. Salvetti"
Subject: RE: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

A bunch of messages from people having dual tank problems, followed by:

>Unfortunately, the pump system was changed in 1990 (I think) to
>the high pressure single pump in each tank - I'm pretty sure that=20
>the 87 models are different, but I could be wrong. Tell your=20
>dealer that its cross-filling. I think that warrants enough of=20
>a safety concern for them to fix it. =20

>Steven McCullough

I had this problem in my 1986, which is probably like the 1987 that =
started the thread. I think it only has one fuel pump external of the =
tanks on the left frame rail. I don't have the factory manual, but =
that's what my Haynes shows, and I know I have the pump there. Of =
course, the Haynes leaves out a lot (see below).

I run with both tanks full and alternate from one to the other. Last =
year I had the return flow when running the rear tank return to the =
front one. Found the problem when I had gas overflowing. I assumed it =
was the valve assembly ($160), so I decided to live with it and run =
mostly off the front tank. Meanwhile, I had been looking for the fuel =
filter since I bought the truck 3 years ago, and could never find it. =
Haynes again said look at the left frame rail, but it wasn't there.

Finally I gave up and the last time it was in for an alignment I asked =
the dealer to find and change the filter. Turns out Haynes forgot to =
mention that with dual tanks the filter is integral with the valve =
assembly. They changed the filter and cleaned things up, and I don't =
get any cross-filling anymore.

Hope this is your problem.

Mark Salvetti
1986 F-150

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford V-8`

In a message dated 97-09-12 16:31:26 EDT, you write:


block with minor stroke and bore changes. They were all good
engines.
Paul Laughlin
'87 E350 Dually Transvan
460 engine >>

You are close Paul. The only difference between the 360 and 390 is the
stroke 3.5" verses 3.78". The 1972 391 had a 3.79" stroke.
Phil

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:10:32 -0400
From: "Lou Guerriero"
Subject: RE: 1990 F150 STRAIGHT 6 - 4.9L RUNNING RUFF

Hi,

Before replacing the O2 sensor, remove it and see if it is clean. There
are little holes around it that let it check the air... often the sensor is
fine, the holes are just plugged.

Read a good article in 4Wheeler about how to swap a better cover onto it,
one that won't be so prone to clogging when "muddin" etc.


>Thanks,
>I will check this out. A friend also told me to change the....

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