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fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, September 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 105



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In this issue:

87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles ["Todd A. Muccilli"
Re: Ford Red Carpet Lease [Bill Funk ]
Re:4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger [toerne juno.com]
Re: 4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger [Jerad Heffner ]
Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103 ["Mike Jones"]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Thom Cheney ]
Re: prices [Thom Cheney ]
Transmission temp sensor location [Larry Smeins ]
Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS [John Yee ]
Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10: Can we say economy? [Joe Maleski
1993 F250 Ford that rumbles [BILLPEGZ aol.com]
Re: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles ["Patrick Vanderlind"
5.0L fuel mileage ["Grady Byram" ]
Need advice on F-150 "front-end sag" ["Grady Byram" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103 [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP? [Jerad Heffner ]
What I have learned: ["Irvine Bruce" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #99 [GOREGER aol.com]
'99 F350 front axle ["Dudley H. Wright" ]
Re: Ford V-8` [PhilDyson aol.com]

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 7:53:05 EDT
From: "Todd A. Muccilli"
Subject: 87 F-150 gas tank/pump troubles

I know that this has been mentioned on this list before, but I really paid no
attention to the responses because it wasn't relevant to me. Now that I have
to help a friend out with this problem, I will pay more attention.

The truck is an 87 F-150 2wd 4.9L with the dual gas tanks. The problem is
thatthe truck always gets its gas from the front tank, no matter what
position the switch is in. The switch does cause the gauge to register the
appropriate reading for the tank it's set to. It has been like this for
about 2 years. I believe that, before this, the truck would draw from the
front until empty and then begin drawing from the rear, with the switch
remaining in the front position, which also doesn't sound like it was working
correctly. Any suggestions on where to start here? The back tank has been
full for most of this time (I don't know why my friend never drained it) and
it's a shame to see that capacity go to waste.

Thanks in advance,
Todd

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:01:01 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Ford Red Carpet Lease

> From: tglundy juno.com (Tim g Lundy)
> Subject: Consumer Alert on Ford Red Carpet Lease purchased AT WALKER
> FORD FL.
>
> On one Sunday afternoon I and my family were involved in a collision
> that
> lead my 1996 explorer to roll over on its side.
> I had the dealer tow the vehicle to there body shop, for State Farm to
>
> inspect the damage. State Farm wants to total the vehicle as per my
> wishes. Walker Ford wants to fix it. So they ordered a full body
> without
> our written permission. I was told that I would have to pay a
> restocking
> fee of $1.200.00 before Walker Ford would release the vehicle to State
>
> Farm. By the way I am still Paying on the LEASE till the dealer
> Releases
> the vehicle. I contacted FORD MOTOR CO. And They said take it up with
> the
> DEALER. So don't be leave what there brochures say. This has been
> going
> on for a month now, So beware of that lease.......

You might be well advised to seek the advice of a lawyer.
While you are buying the insurance, you are not the owner or buyer of
the vehicle, and the insurance must usually follow the wishes of the
owner/buyer. In a lease, this becomes a clouded issue.
It would seem to me (I'm not a lawyer) that you shouldn't be liable for
a re-stocking fee if they ordered the body in their own, but then,
that's what lawyers are for.
Good luck
Bill Funk

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:25:33 -0500
From: toerne juno.com
Subject: Re:4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger

The person asking about putting a 4.0 into a 2.3 Ranger shouldn't! Do a
302 conversion using Maverick or Comet V8 exhaust manifolds and a C-5
auto transmission. It fits perfectly using "V-8 Conversions" motor
mounts. Some radiator mods will also be required.
If you put a 4.0 in an 89 or older Ranger (and probably newer) you will
need COMPLETE wiring diagrams and schematics from both vehicles and the
computer and as much of under hood, chassis, and dash wiring as you can
get from the donor truck. Wiring colors don't match. Basic dashboard
functions are not plug in and require a lot of splicing. I've been
involved with both conversions.....the V-8 is easier, faster, lest
costly, and delivers a lot more fun. V-8/C5 conversion costs about
$1000, 4.0/4AOD costs close to $2,000.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:34:48 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: 4.0 swap into a 2.3 Ranger

Geez louise! well. . . Since I have the 2.3 L now, I'll need a stronger,
heavier-duty tranny, differential, and other stuff, won't I? I've never
done anything serious as far as automotive work goes. . I'm learning, but
don't have much opportunity. I'm 18, and with school, a part time job, a
girlfriend, and other activities, it gets kind of hard. But thanx for the
info, I sure appreciate it.

Hmmm, V8, yeah. . ar, ar, ar, Poweeer! Vroooooom!

:)
Jerad Heffner

toerne juno.com wrote:

> The person asking about putting a 4.0 into a 2.3 Ranger shouldn't! Do a
> 302 conversion using Maverick or Comet V8 exhaust manifolds and a C-5
> auto transmission. It fits perfectly using "V-8 Conversions" motor
> mounts. Some radiator mods will also be required.
> If you put a 4.0 in an 89 or older Ranger (and probably newer) you will
> need COMPLETE wiring diagrams and schematics from both vehicles and the
> computer and as much of under hood, chassis, and dash wiring as you can
> get from the donor truck. Wiring colors don't match. Basic dashboard
> functions are not plug in and require a lot of splicing. I've been
> involved with both conversions.....the V-8 is easier, faster, lest
> costly, and delivers a lot more fun. V-8/C5 conversion costs about
> $1000, 4.0/4AOD costs close to $2,000.
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:04:41, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: RE:1998, 1999 F250's Trannys

Ryan,

The tranny in power strokes and in 460's are ZF transmissions. The
are a much more heavy duty tranny. Yes, you are correct, the Mazda
tranny was used with the 351, but only for a few years.

Josh

KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:14:52 -0400
From: "Mike Jones"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103

>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:29:22 -0700
>From: Keith Srb
>Subject: Cruise Control

You wrote:
>Can you tell me what parts I need to get from the wrecking yard? I would
like
>to add Cruise Control to both the 66 F100 and 74 F250, if possible.

I'm 99.99% sure cruise control was not an option on the '66 F-100. (I
owned one for several years, wish I still owned it. Converted it over to
disk brakes and full-floating rear axles from an F-250, but I digress...)
In this case your best bet is good 'ol J.C. Whitney, although you could
still retrofit a factory system. You'd have to change at least the
steering wheel over to a later model, and you'd have to wire it all
yourself or fit the factory wiring harness.

Even with the '74 I would still go the J.C. Whitney route. They work fine
and some of them look good, too. Not entirely sure what parts you'd need
for the factory route. But you'd certainly need:

Actuator/vacuum reservoir (now there's a concept! A reservoir for
nothing!)

Steering wheel (or at least the center pad w/cruise buttons). May need to
change additional parts if the contacts are not present in your original
column.

Cruise control computer and complete wiring harness (wiring harness already
installed perhaps?). With a schematic manual, you could wire it yourself.

Speed sensor (driveshaft-mounted in '74? Does anybody know?)

Brake interrupt switch (and clutch interrupt switch, if manual trans)

Probably not as much help you were hoping for, I know. Sorry! Do what I
do when I get a hair-brained idea like this: Go to a wrecking yard and
poke around and see how it's done. Then you can decide if it's worth it or
not.

Mike J.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:39:59 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

Jerad Heffner wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a relatively cheap way to get more HP out of the 2.3

> . . anyway, I was just wondering about the HP increases. Is a K&N
> filter worth the money in a 2.3L Ranger

Good for a couple of notches on the hp stick.

Look at the exhaust system. A header & aftermarket exhaust will also
bump the hp.

> about how much are '87 and newer 4.0L V-6's selling for? Is it very
> difficult to swap a 4.0L into a 2.3L? I'd appreciate any responses.

You could probably do the swap, I would think there would be front
suspension issues, as well as cooling, etc. What about swapping in a
2.3L intercooled turbo motor from an SVO mustang or Merkur? Wouldn't
that be a direct replacement?

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:51:12 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: prices

Max Dooley wrote:

> My '97 is an STX the only difference I guess is that mine is 2WD. I
> still think we both got killer deals.


Definitely. Still sucking in that "new truck smell." Christened mine
with an ORV permit sticker and a trip to the dunes last weekend.
Refrained from jumping....this time!!

TC

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:21:41 -0600
From: Larry Smeins
Subject: Transmission temp sensor location

>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:46:42 -0700
>From: Dave Wheeler
>Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #101

>Hi,

>Have a 97 F250 HD 4x4 Power Stroke with Auto Xmission. Want to install
>a xmission temp. gauge and have question as to where to measure the
>temp. I have heard that the pan is right place and also heard that the
>right place is in the return line from the cooler?

>Whats the opinion of this group, any input will be appreciated!

>Regards Dave Wheeler


I vote for the input line to the cooler. I want to know how hot the oil
is getting in the transmision not how good my cooler is working. Some
installations have two sensors and a switch to select between them.
That way you can get real temp and cooler effectiveness.

Larry
If you don't care where you are, you ain't lost.

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:20:30 -0700
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: 1999 F350 Crew cab PS

Some pointers to pictures of the 1999 HD F-350 buried in the text below...


At 04:13 PM 9/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At 07:33 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I am looking for information regarding the 1999 F350 4WD Crew Cab PS. I
>>am trying to decide whether to buy a 1997 now or wait until the 1999's
>>come out. Does anyone know if there are any pictures available of it? I
>>have heard that the rear doors will be smaller than thew doors on the
>>current crew cab. Is this true. I would be interested in any opinions as
>>to whether the 1999's supposed to be a better truck.
>
>I'll let someone else answer the question about a 97 vs. 99 being a better
>truck...
>
>I personally am holding out for a 1999 4-door supercab F-250 that is
>reported to be available ala the new 4 door club cab Dodge Ram trucks that
>are currently
>in the showrooms.
>
>I have seen spy shots of the 1999 F350. They started showing up about april
>this year, and can be found in the spy shot/new trend sections of Popular
>Mechanics, 4 wheeler, and Motor trend. I'm sure there are others.
>A local library may be of some help.
>
>Trailer life has indicated that there will be some photo's in the upcoming
>0ctober issue. The best picture to date is in Motor Trend where they have
>a 2-3 page article on the 6-door crew wagon. It was about 2-3 months ago. I
>don't remember what month. I will repost if I don't see any answers to this.
>
>Note: this info is on Motor Trends web site, but you can't get to it via the
>menus, and I can't remember what the url was. Maybe someone else does.

Ah, my mistake; you *can* get to it via the menus.
It's at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motortrend.com/june97/tt/tt_f.html
On the 3rd of 3 pages.

For those that have the Motor Trend magazine, see the June '97 issue.
page 100. The pictures are a bit easier to see in the magazine,
unless you have a *real* good monitor.

In addition to the cut out's on the doors, you should be able to note that
the cab overhang does not exists on the 1999 HD trucks like on the Light
Duty F150/F250's. There were references in various articles about some
issues with frame flexing, in which the truck bed was smacking into the
overhanging section of the cab. The HD truck styles resolve this issue.

So if you take a look at the power force on the web page referenced below, and
the pictures on *this* web site, you should be able to get a fairly good idea
what the 1999 trucks are going to look like.

- -john

>
>As for the doors, on the 1999 Crew cab F350's, I recently read that
>they are the rear doors used on the Expeditions. While there is no need to
>have the cutouts on the doors for the F350 Crew cab, it looks like a
>manufacturing/cost savings issue. It will be up to you to decide if you like
>this or not.
>
>If you've never seen *any* pictures of the 1999 HD style F trucks, then check
>out "http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.fuse.net/bring/Fordunleashed.htm" which has the best
collection
>of the concept F350 powerforce that I've found to date. If nothing else, the
>1999 truck should have similar lines to the powerforce from what I can tell.
>
>good luck,
>
>-john
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:25:30 -0700
From: Joe Maleski
Subject: Re: PowerStroke vs 460 vs Triton V10: Can we say economy?

>Just so all are aware, (to my knowledge) the powerstroke gets about 18 MPG
>average.

Average what? Trust me, if I was driving it with the loads I typically
pull, it would get less. Far less. :)

Joe

************************************
Joe Maleski
Santa Clara, CA
1994 F-250HD SuperCab, 460/5-spd, The Silver Camel

mailto:jmaleski auspex.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:40:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: BILLPEGZ aol.com
Subject: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles

My truck is a 1993 F250 7.3 liter diesel with 2 wheel drive. I have a
rumbling front end and have replaced shocks at all four wheels. Replaced a
cracked rotor and have replaced the drag arm. I had the tires rotated and
balanced. Checked brakes and relubricated the hinge points with neverseize.
I had the front end alignment checked and brought into alignment. It was
slightly off on the right side. There is no play in the steering wheel when
on a lift any movement of one wheel results in the same movement of both the
other wheel and the steering wheel. I also have examined both front wheel
bearings and have had them repacked. The right front tire jumps all over at
55 mph and stops at about 68 mph. I don't know what to do next.

Thanks for any help anyone can give me. The truck is an extended cab with a
4.10 rear and is used to tow a 5th wheel trailer. It has 81K miles on it and
runs like a race horse. Except for this problem it has been a faithful
truck.

Bill Z

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:18:41 -6000
From: "Patrick Vanderlind"
Subject: Re: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles

> From: BILLPEGZ aol.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:40:00 -0400 (EDT)
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: 1993 F250 Ford that rumbles
> Reply-to: fordtrucks80up ListService.net

> My truck is a 1993 F250 7.3 liter diesel with 2 wheel drive. I have a
> rumbling front end and have replaced shocks at all four wheels. Replaced a
> cracked rotor and have replaced the drag arm. I had the tires rotated and
> balanced. Checked brakes and relubricated the hinge points with neverseize.
> I had the front end alignment checked and brought into alignment. It was
> slightly off on the right side. There is no play in the steering wheel when
> on a lift any movement of one wheel results in the same movement of both the
> other wheel and the steering wheel. I also have examined both front wheel
> bearings and have had them repacked. The right front tire jumps all over at
> 55 mph and stops at about 68 mph. I don't know what to do next.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can give me. The truck is an extended cab with a
> 4.10 rear and is used to tow a 5th wheel trailer. It has 81K miles on it and
> runs like a race horse. Except for this problem it has been a faithful
> truck.
>
> Bill Z

Bill Z,
I had an '89 f250 Xcab Diesel 2wd 3:55 do the same thing. I rotated
the tires, new shocks, alignment etc... I had the tires off of the
truck on a spin balance machine and noticed when I spun them they
were out of round (center of the rim was not concentric with the
outside). I felt I to had tryied everything to get rid of the rumble
so this had to be it! I went to a wheel company and bought 2 new
steel rims to fit. I put the same tires on the new rims and balanced
them. this cured the problem. I took it on vacation the next week out
west (5000 mi round trip) and had no problems.

Good luck~

Patrick Vanderlind
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
'93 F250 xcab XLT 4x4 red/red Diesel

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:10:42 -0500
From: "Grady Byram"
Subject: 5.0L fuel mileage

I have a '95 F-150 supercab with the following:

engine: 5.0L
tranny: E4OD
Rear: 3.55
Super cooling system
Miles: ~ 44,000
Type of driving: 70% city / 30% highway
Location: Austin, TX - humid and HOT
Oil & filter: Amzoil synthetic

My mileage seems to stink, I consistently get between 12-15mpg whether I'm
in the city or highway. Lately it seems to be getting worse. I've changed
the air filter and run some BG 44K fuel injector cleaner through it but
neither of those seemed to help at all. Tires are properly inflated as
well.

Are my expectations out of whack? I would think I'd be getting about 18
highway - at least I think that's what the sticker said.

Thanks for any help.
Grady

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:09:17 -0500
From: "Grady Byram"
Subject: Need advice on F-150 "front-end sag"

I'm sure this question has been asked many times but I just joined this
list yesterday -- what is a good yet economical way to eliminate the front
end sag on my f-150?

I have a 95 5.0L extended cab that I'm trying to make look a little tougher
- - like a 4x4 f-250. I don't really want to do a body lift because it seems
like I'd need to go to 16' tires in order to fill the wheel wells if I go
that route. I don't have that kind of cash.

I saw someone on another page suggesting replacing the original front-end
springs with f-250 springs. Makes sense to me and others I have talked to.
Does anyone know if this will work or if there are any negative side
affects I should consider? My parts guy says we can probably get the
springs for $40-$60 - so it meets the economical criteria. Would it be
advisable to replace rear springs as well.

If there is any meaningful discussion on "front-end sag" in the archives,
please advise and I'll look there.

Let me know if you need more info on my truck.

Thanks for any help.

Grady

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 01:30:18 -0700
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #103

Mike Jones wrote:
>

> Actuator/vacuum reservoir (now there's a concept! A reservoir for
> nothing!)

In actuallity, vacuum is negative pressure. So what you have is
a reservoir for negative pressure. In the operation of the iron
lung breathing machine, they called it positive and negative
pressure. Paul in Portland OR
87 E350 Transvan

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:03:12 -0500
From: Jerad Heffner
Subject: Re: 84 Ranger, 2.3 L and HP?

I've thought about the turbo, but my truck is 4x4 and I don't do high
speed/high RPM, so the turbo would be worthless. Besides, I've heard it's a
lot harder to work on turbos . . anyway, I like the idea of the 302. I've
thought about that for a long time, and that would give me more than enough
power to pop on bigger tires. I have too much other stuff to do to it before
that though. I'm just dreaming/planning!

Jerad Heffner
'84 Ranger 4x4


Thom Cheney wrote:

> > about how much are '87 and newer 4.0L V-6's selling for? Is it very
> > difficult to swap a 4.0L into a 2.3L? I'd appreciate any responses.
>
> You could probably do the swap, I would think there would be front
> suspension issues, as well as cooling, etc. What about swapping in a
> 2.3L intercooled turbo motor from an SVO mustang or Merkur? Wouldn't
> that be a direct replacement?
>
> Thom Cheney
> '97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX
>
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Date: 11 Sep 1997 17:10:25 -0400
From: "Irvine Bruce"
Subject: What I have learned:

All:

I have learned the following things since I last asked questions here:
1) The shop manual I received from Helm shows a Tach that tops at
6KRPM. I'm sure the same tach was used for all Ford light trucks in 1980.
2)The original tire on the vehicle was a P215/75-15LT. I got this off of the
sticker on the doorframe and also the Helm manual (chap 11).
(F100,4700lbs gvwr).

Does anyone have an opinion of the body panels for sale in JC Whitney?
It seems like just about every spot I have rust through is covered by these
panels and the price looks OK.

BSI

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: GOREGER aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #99

In regards to prices on the 97 F-350. I bought my F-250 H/D w/ Powerstroke,
Crew Cab, 4X4, XLT Package, Tow Package, Camper Package, Off Road Package,
rear tinted glass, rear sliding window, Floor Mats & Bed Liner for $31,000
(before tax and Lic.). This price was $300.00 over dealer invoice. I
arranged the deal by using AutoVantage. There are several outfits like
AutoVantage and there is no reason to pay more than $300 to $500 over dealer
invoice for one of these trucks.
Do your homework and look around, you will save yourself some $$$$.

Guy Reger
Pleasanton, CA

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:30:51 -0400
From: "Dudley H. Wright"
Subject: '99 F350 front axle

Does anyone know if the '99 F350 will still have a straight front
axle?

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:44:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford V-8`....

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