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fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, August 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 081



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In this issue:

Re: F350 Brakes [wiandt coastalfcu.org (Larry Wiandt)]
Re: F350 Brakes ["Ryan Penner" ]
fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #80 -Reply ["Jeff Hall" ]
Re: F350 Brakes [Sheila Goodson ]
Re: F350 Brakes ["Andy Bell" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #80 -Reply [CNTRYF150 aol.com]
Fuse for E4OD [mrkrispy webtv.net (Ian Holter)]
Super Duty RV Problems ["Martin and Nancy Jalovec" ]
ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback [Ken Payne
Ford F-150 Brakes & More [Ezekial ]
F250 powerstroke VS Dodge 2500 Deisel [meadjr minotafb.ndak.net]
Re: F350 Brakes ["J. Martin" ]
Re: Ford F-150 Brakes & More ["Andy Bell" ]

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:42:51 -0400
From: wiandt coastalfcu.org (Larry Wiandt)
Subject: Re: F350 Brakes

>

The problem is they just don't stop as well as I think they should. I
have plenty of pedal and the booster is obviously working fine as the
pedal is easy to push. Of course the 93 model had ABS
(anti-braking-system) which I believe is crap, so you can't lock up the
brakes. Actually maybe that's it, I have never had ABS before, maybe I
need to realize that vehicles don't stop as well anymore now that the
federal government is the design engineers for cars and trucks. (Sorry,
:soapbox off). Anyway what do y'all think.

Thanks.
Larry

> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:06:36 -0400
> From: "Andy Bell"
> Subject: Re: F350 Brakes
>
> What is the problem with the brakes? DO they just not stop well or is
> the
> pedal hard to press etc.?
>
> - ----------
> > From: Larry Wiandt
> > To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > Subject: F350 Brakes
> > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 12:20 PM
> >
> > I am wondering if I have a problem with my brakes or is my truck
> > "working as designed"? I have a 93 F350 4x4 Crew Cab with the 7.3L
> > diesel and I think the brakes are so poor that they are dangerous.
> > Granted the truck is about 6200 lbs empty but it sometimes seems my
> > brother's semi is better that my pickup. Any comments would really
> be
> > appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Larry
> > 93 F350
> > 66 Mustang Conv
> >



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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:29:03 -0600
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: F350 Brakes

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> From: Larry Wiandt
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: F350 Brakes
> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 5:42 AM
>
> >
>
> The problem is they just don't stop as well as I think they should. I
> have plenty of pedal and the booster is obviously working fine as the
> pedal is easy to push. Of course the 93 model had ABS
> (anti-braking-system) which I believe is crap, so you can't lock up the
> brakes. Actually maybe that's it, I have never had ABS before, maybe I
> need to realize that vehicles don't stop as well anymore now that the
> federal government is the design engineers for cars and trucks. (Sorry,
> :soapbox off). Anyway what do y'all think.
>
> Thanks.
> Larry
>

Well, I can tell you that I myself also hate ABS. My dad had it on his
Ch*vy Suburban, and it could stop on a dime that was at least 20 feet long.
In my truck the little REAR ANTILOCK light is always on, because someone
disabled it, or it is broken. Anyways I can stop very well with my truck
even though it is hard to compare a 150 to a 350.

Ryan Penner
91 F-150 Custom


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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:21:25 -0600
From: "Jeff Hall"
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #80 -Reply

Hey folks,

My neighbor has a 92 F-150, 351, manual tranny. A PowerTech chip was =
installed some time ago. Anyway, he is wondering what he can do in the =
=241000 - =241500 range to increase power. I believe everything else is =
stock (air filter, etc.). Any ideas?

Thanks=21=21

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:51:13 -0700
From: Sheila Goodson
Subject: Re: F350 Brakes

Larry Wiandt wrote:
>
> I am wondering if I have a problem with my brakes or is my truck
> "working as designed"? I have a 93 F350 4x4 Crew Cab with the 7.3L
> diesel and I think the brakes are so poor that they are dangerous.
> Granted the truck is about 6200 lbs empty but it sometimes seems my
> brother's semi is better that my pickup. Any comments would really be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry
> 93 F350
> 66 Mustang Conv
>
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We are experiencing similar problems with our 89 F250; has 460; heavy
duty set up with tow package.

My husband has completely changed out the brakes, replaced the master
cylinder and the power assist (doohickey) . Brakes seem great when
they're bled out, but the minute you turn on the ignition, boom pedal
hits the floor. Truck stops ok for a while but then it starts to get
real mushy.

Any help out there?

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:13:05 -0400
From: "Andy Bell"
Subject: Re: F350 Brakes

I have seen instances where the front caliper slide pins rust inside of the
caliper and make it almost impossible to stop within a reasonable distance.
Some people notice this more when it is wet out side (raining)????? Have
a thorough brake inspection done and make sure the pins and all valves are
functioning properly. As for the ABS it should not be a contributor to
the poor stopping unless something has gone wrong. The only time ABS
should come into play is when the wheels are about to lockup. The rear ABS
system was a poor design and can be fun to diagnose if anything is wrong.
If the light is on that means that there is a problem with the ABS, but the
conventional brake system still functions like it would without ABS at all.
To get an error code from the ABS system ground the test connector ----
Different location in each type of vehicle --- the light should be on when
the codes are retrieved. Count the flashes of the light and follow
diagnostics from there--- some pre test exist though which can uncover a
problem -- for example low brake fluid -- there is a big list though- A
ford manual works best. Also to anyone else that has a concern with
their Ford copy the VIN number down and what your concern is and the visit
your ford dealer to see if they Will run it on OASIS for you see if there
is a TSB or recall out for anything--- If you cannot diagnose the problem
your self and none of the TSB"s help then bring it to a good technician --
it is amazing what some experience can do. SORRY FOR THE LONG MESSAGE
- --- I CAN BE LONG WINDED--- I hope some of my messages do help all of you.

Thanks,
Andy
1990 Ranger 2wd

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> From: Larry Wiandt
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Re: F350 Brakes
> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:42 AM
>
> >
>
> The problem is they just don't stop as well as I think they should. I
> have plenty of pedal and the booster is obviously working fine as the
> pedal is easy to push. Of course the 93 model had ABS
> (anti-braking-system) which I believe is crap, so you can't lock up the
> brakes. Actually maybe that's it, I have never had ABS before, maybe I
> need to realize that vehicles don't stop as well anymore now that the
> federal government is the design engineers for cars and trucks. (Sorry,
> :soapbox off). Anyway what do y'all think.
>
> Thanks.
> Larry
>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:06:36 -0400
> > From: "Andy Bell"
> > Subject: Re: F350 Brakes
> >
> > What is the problem with the brakes? DO they just not stop well or is
> > the
> > pedal hard to press etc.?
> >
> > - ----------
> > > From: Larry Wiandt
> > > To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> > > Subject: F350 Brakes
> > > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 12:20 PM
> > >
> > > I am wondering if I have a problem with my brakes or is my truck
> > > "working as designed"? I have a 93 F350 4x4 Crew Cab with the 7.3L
> > > diesel and I think the brakes are so poor that they are dangerous.
> > > Granted the truck is about 6200 lbs empty but it sometimes seems my
> > > brother's semi is better that my pickup. Any comments would really
> > be
> > > appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Larry
> > > 93 F350
> > > 66 Mustang Conv
> > >
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:45:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: CNTRYF150 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #80 -Reply

You may try a K&N air filter.my friend put one in his 92 fF150

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:57:18 -0400
From: mrkrispy webtv.net (Ian Holter)
Subject: Fuse for E4OD

Is there a fuse or a circuit breaker for the E4OD? Any info would be
helpful! Thanx- Ian

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:47:56 -0700
From: "Martin and Nancy Jalovec"
Subject: Super Duty RV Problems

Has anyone had any experiences with the Ford Econoline trucks that have
been modified for attachment of motorhome "boxes"?

I have a '96 Super Duty with a Winnebego 29' RV attached, and I have had
numerous problems with the drivetrain... of which I think is related to the
chassis modifications made by Winnebego.

Thanks,

mwj

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:41:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback

1. CGI script being tested which will let us randomly
rotate banners submitted by members.
2. CGI script which allows us to have password protected
web pages. Many possible uses of this.
3. Many new web pages being tested.
4. New user survey form being tested. This time the
user survey results will go on the web site (just the
year/model/engine)
5. New voting form for a split into 3 lists! I've received
a few emails about the possibility of this. It was
suggested that we split along these lines:

a) 1959/60 and older trucks
b) 1960/61-1979 trucks
c) 1980 and newer trucks

A diesel split was also suggested. The user survey should
give a indication of which split makes the most sense or
if two new lists makes sense. This new list server costs
less than the previous one so we can afford it. Current
lists would keep the same addresses.
6. Domain registration. This would allow us to have an address
independent of any provider - no more tracking down links to
the site if we change web providers.
7. A couple of people mentioned helping out with the administration
of the lists. Thanks! But.... the new list server cuts my
administrative tasks from about 50 chores per night to about 10.
Its no longer eating all my time.

Please let me know what you think, either via the list or send
private email to me. I especially want to hear about what everyone
thinks about a 3rd (and possibly 4th) list. Be patient if you
expect a response, given the history of these types of issues
my mailbox will probably get flooded.


- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:56:48 -0500
From: Ezekial
Subject: Ford F-150 Brakes & More

I have a 1988 F-150. I have NO problems with braking. I can stop on a
dime if I have to. The rear antilocks have no problem either. And has
always been that way, but back in Feb. I had to install a new master
cylinder, it did improve a little but not a whole lot. I also have new
brake pads all the way around and had the rotors turned.

Also I would like to ask if anyone elses 5.0 V-8 leaks oil around the
valve covers. Mine does, about 1 quart every 2 weeks. Sometimes more
sometimes less, depending on how I drive also. I was wondering if just
tighting them down a tad would help or not? Because I really don't want
to pull off the fuel injection and all those damn wires to install new
gaskets. And one final more question. For a short while I was doing
some heavy off roading. A few "jumps". The front passenger side wheel
is out of allignment and is leaning in towards the top. When going down
the road it sometimes vibrates. I was wondering if it could be just the
allignment doing this or maybe some broken stuff. I looked and
everything seemed good. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem.
Oh and its 2 wheel drive. And yes the tires are wearing towards the
inside, but they are all "BALD" so I haven't taken it in yet. I will
soon though. Just wanting to get a few ideas.

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:44:48 PDT
From: meadjr minotafb.ndak.net
Subject: F250 powerstroke VS Dodge 2500 Deisel

We are looking at selling our 92 Bronco and getting eather a Powerstroke 250 4x4 or a Dodge 2500 cummings turbo 4x4. What are the pros and cons of the F-250 over the Dodge and why. I am leaning toward the F-250 but the Wife likes the body style of the Dodge. We stoped in at a Ford dealer in Wyoming and they had pictures of the 1999 F-250 supercab 4x4 from a Ford show and boy does it look great! We might even wait until it will be avaible as the dealer said that he could start ordering them in March of 98!

What options/Packages should we also look for on the F-250

Thanks Much

JJ

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:48:08 -0700
From: "J. Martin"
Subject: Re: F350 Brakes

Hi Sheila,

That sounds very interesting. (read: racking my pea-brain here...) As
you probably already know, the 'power' in your power braking comes from
the vacuum produced in your intake manifold (though some power brake
systems are electric, etc.). Check to make sure that the hose going from
the intake manifold to the booster is secure--tight clamps, no leaks.
Listen carefully for vacuum leaks, too. Check the integrity of the hose.

Do you seem to be losing fluid? Or is it just the pedal pressure all the
time?

Josh --> '88 Ranger


Sheila Goodson wrote:

> We are experiencing similar problems with our 89 F250; has 460; heavy
> duty set up with tow package.
>
> My husband has completely changed out the brakes, replaced the master
> cylinder and the power assist (doohickey) . Brakes seem great when
> they're bled out, but the minute you turn on the ignition, boom pedal
> hits the floor. Truck stops ok for a while but then it starts to get
> real mushy.
>
> Any help out there?

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:00:35 -0400
From: "Andy Bell"
Subject: Re: Ford F-150 Brakes & More

About the valve covers--- sounds like they are leaking too much to just
tighten---- get some new ones, but before you do see what type ford will
sell you ( rubber metal supports or cork) if they only have the cork get a
good set from the local parts store ---If ford offers a rubber gasket get
those and follow ford recommendations on Installation.

About the front end The vibration could be a number of things---- check
shocks-- loose front parts- tie rod ends -ball joints- etc. --- also with
the jumping you were doing check for a bent wheel or bad tire- The
alignment could be the tire wear problem----- but if the inward tilt is
really noticeable send it in for an alignment and they can tell you if any
thing is bent(spindle etc.)---- just make sure you check all of the front
end parts well (even the springs)

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> From: Ezekial
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Ford F-150 Brakes & More
> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 8:56 PM
>
> I have a 1988 F-150. I have NO problems with braking. I can stop on a
> dime if I have to. The rear antilocks have no problem either. And has
> always been that way, but back in Feb. I had to install a new master
> cylinder, it did improve a little but not a whole lot. I also have new
> brake pads all the way around and had the rotors turned.
>
> Also I would like to ask if anyone elses 5.0 V-8 leaks oil around the
> valve covers. Mine does, about 1 quart every 2 weeks. Sometimes more
> sometimes less, depending on how I drive also. I was wondering if just
> tighting them down a tad would help or not? Because I really don't want
> to pull off the fuel injection and all those damn wires to install new
> gaskets. And one final more question. For a short while I was doing
> some heavy off roading. A few "jumps". The front passenger side wheel
> is out of allignment and is leaning in towards the top. When going down
> the road it sometimes vibrates. I was wondering if it could be just the
> allignment doing this or maybe some broken stuff. I looked and
> everything seemed good. I was wondering if anyone else had this problem.
> Oh and its 2 wheel drive. And yes the tires are wearing towards the
> inside, but they are all "BALD" so I haven't taken it in yet. I will
> soon though. Just wanting to get a few ideas.
>
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Ezekial | 66 Mustang Fastback, 88 F-150 | ezekial mindless.com |
> |----Ezekials Cove: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.galstar.com/~derrick/index.html ------|
> |--- Phantom Chat: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.galstar.com/~derrick/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=live_chat ---|....

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