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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, December 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 278



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In this issue:

Ranger/BroncoII List [Gary Yeagley ]
3.0L Engine Light on. [RandalDGazdecki eaton.com]
Re: Ford Suburban [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Sport Truck Competition??? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Ford Suburban [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Valve Cover Gaskets on a 7.3 [Dave Dierker ]
Re: Ford Suburban [Thom Cheney ]
Re: 3.0L Engine Light on. ["M.Monninger" ]
RE: Valve Cover Gaskets on a 7.3 [Randy Rees ]
Buying '89 F150 ["Zunas, Linda/SAC" ]
Re: Buying '89 F150 [John Yee ]
Re: Wierd Bolts [Jmark6969 ]
Ranger 4x4 mod [Dave Armbruster ]
1997 F250 Transmission Noise Problems ["Bill Jeska"
Weight In Back [Blest25913 ]
Check Engine Light [Blest25913 ]
98 F250 pictures [Ken Payne ]
Re: Suburban competition [Randy ]
Re: Ranger 4x4 mod [Randy ]
F150 oil press gage? [yhtlines surfari.net]
Re: Ranger 4x4 mod [Sheldon Belinkoff ]
ADMIN: Explorer/Bronco 2/Ranger list [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Vote on another list [Ken Payne ]
Re: Check Engine Light ["Ulysses Samilo" ]

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:09:19 -0500
From: Gary Yeagley
Subject: Ranger/BroncoII List

** High Priority **


Please sign me up on the Ranger/Bronco
II/Explorer list.

Thanks.

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Date: 23 Dec 97 09:22:31 EST
From: RandalDGazdecki eaton.com
Subject: 3.0L Engine Light on.

Dave,
I have the 3.0L in my 91 Ranger and the light started flickering at almost exactly 50K miles. I hesitate taking anything to the dealer, so I bought a Sunpro Code Scanner. It is extremely easy to use and runs about $35. I diagnosed two seperate problems with it and saved serious money. BTW, the problems were Throttle Position Valve (engine will run fine without it, but not at top efficiency) and Oxygen Sensor (engine may run bad if it is really gone). I recommend doing it yourself. Total repair costs: $75. Dealer was $75 just to put it on the Scanner!!!
Randy
K.O.T.C.C.
randaldgazdecki eaton.com
"Heart of the N.S.S.N!!"

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:33:47 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Ford Suburban

On Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:45 CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John) writes:
>
>John,
>
>That must be it. The one I see around my office is realy cool looking,
>
>like what you would expect a Ford suburban to look like. It did not
>look
>like an aftermarket addition, but you knew it was. It looks a lot
>"beeffier" than an Expidition. I gues thats becaus of the Crew-Cab
>suspension (I think they are 3/4 ton or better maybe wrong here is
>there
>such a thing as a 1/2 ton Crew-Cab?). Anyway if Ford would psoduce
>something like this I bet it would realy blow the suburban off the
>market. Might even convert some chevy owners to ford. Anyway I realy
>
>liked it, gad you've seen it......I thought some people on this list
>
>might think I was nuts.


What part of Houston are you guys seeing this thing? I haven't seen it.



silent.bob juno.com
95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:04:17 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Sport Truck Competition???

On Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:32:47 EST JOUZA1 writes:
>Tell me about I love sport truck but that test was bogus. All the
>trucks
>should have been based on their base package or one their best
>package. how
>can you compare the mopar 5.9 to the gm 2.2? I know it is chevy but
>evrybody
>should have a fighting chance to win.


IMHO, The Dodge's version of a "compact truck" isn't all that compact
and is out of its class.



silent.bob juno.com
95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 09:02
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Ford Suburban

Silent Bob,

I work over in the Galaria area, on Bearing by San Felipe. The guy with
Ford Suburban must work in the building accross the street. It is a dark
metalic grey color. It is realy fine looking. Like I said it is pretty
beefy looking not one of these cheesy street cruisers. It sets up like a
truck should. Has real good ground clearence. No offence to anyone with a
lower to the ground set-up it just does not do it for me. Thats realy the
only thing with the new full size trucks and expiditions that realy does
not look right to me......they sit too low to the ground. Dont flame me
on this, its just my opinion. The 4x4's look ok, it just the two wheel
drives that seem too low to me. That was one of the neet things about the
Ford Suburban or centurion as you guys have called it. It realy had that
"beefy" 3/4 ton suspension. Looked like it would be great off-road.
Anyway thats the scoop.

John Cassis
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
The Danger Ranger

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:41:23 -0600
From: Dave Dierker
Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets on a 7.3

I have a 92 1/2 (serpentine belt) F350 with a 7.3 diesel. The valve cover
gaskets are leaking. I'd like to hear from someone who has done this job.
Specifically, will I need to remove the fuel filter assembly, AC
compressor, injectors, any other parts to get the valve covers off?
Anything else I should do while I'm in there such as valve adjustments?

Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:52:26 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Ford Suburban

Cassis, John wrote:

> That was one of the neet things about the
> Ford Suburban or centurion as you guys have called it. It realy had that
> "beefy" 3/4 ton suspension. Looked like it would be great off-road.
> Anyway thats the scoop.
>
Hey John, the dark green Centurion that frequents my end of Portland
must have that same 3/4 ton suspension. I agree with you, it looks like
it owns the entire road and most of the surrounding landscape!! What a
beast!

Thom Cheney
'97 Ranger S-cab 4X4 STX

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:51:09 -0700
From: "M.Monninger"
Subject: Re: 3.0L Engine Light on.

RandalDGazdecki eaton.com wrote:
>
> Dave,
> I have the 3.0L in my 91 Ranger and the light started flickering at almost exactly 50K miles. I hesitate taking anything to the dealer, so I bought a Sunpro Code Scanner. It is extremely easy to use and runs about $35. I diagnosed two seperate problems with it and saved serious money. BTW, the problems were Throttle Position Valve (engine will run fine without it, but not at top efficiency) and Oxygen Sensor (engine may run bad if it is really gone). I recommend doing it yourself. Total repair costs: $75. Dealer was $75 just to put it on the Scanner!!!

Where did you get the scanner? SOunds like a real deal...

Thanks...

Mark

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:58:16 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: Valve Cover Gaskets on a 7.3

Never done that job but there are no valve adjustments, its all
hydraulic.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Dierker [SMTP:dierker worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 9:41 AM
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Subject: Valve Cover Gaskets on a 7.3
>
> I have a 92 1/2 (serpentine belt) F350 with a 7.3 diesel. The valve
> cover
> gaskets are leaking. I'd like to hear from someone who has done this
> job.
> Specifically, will I need to remove the fuel filter assembly, AC
> compressor, injectors, any other parts to get the valve covers off?
> Anything else I should do while I'm in there such as valve
> adjustments?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:36:40 -0700
From: "Zunas, Linda/SAC"
Subject: Buying '89 F150

Hi....
I just subscribed since I am planning to purchase an '89 F150.
If anyone has advice they could give on the following, I would be
extremely grateful....
Thank you!!!!!!

I found a 1989 F-150 XLT Lariat 4WD, LB, normal cab with 85k on it.
I am taking it to a dealer tomorrow to run a safety inspection, oil
change, etc.
- --What else should they be sure to do?
- --What questions should I ask?
- --What is normal wear/tear?
- --The drivers side does not lock- is this a fairly common thing to
break? Expensive to fix?
thank you, anyone who may be able to help!

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:20:00 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: Buying '89 F150

You might want to take a look at kbb.com and edmunds.com to get an idea of
the price. Look at the used vehicle section. Check out both, as they calculate
the prices a bit differently. Also keep in mind that these are wholesale
prices, so the price that the dealer may be asking could be a bit higher.

You'll have to decide what's a fair price after that.
Good luck.

- -john

At 11:36 AM 12/23/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi....
>I just subscribed since I am planning to purchase an '89 F150.
>If anyone has advice they could give on the following, I would be
>extremely grateful....
>Thank you!!!!!!
>
>I found a 1989 F-150 XLT Lariat 4WD, LB, normal cab with 85k on it.
>I am taking it to a dealer tomorrow to run a safety inspection, oil
>change, etc.
>--What else should they be sure to do?
>--What questions should I ask?
>--What is normal wear/tear?
>--The drivers side does not lock- is this a fairly common thing to
>break? Expensive to fix?
>thank you, anyone who may be able to help!
>
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
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>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:12:10 EST
From: Jmark6969
Subject: Re: Wierd Bolts

i got the same problem. I got a 96 ranger and every time i turn a nut or
bolt i got to switch wrenchs or sockets. it sucks

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:55:04 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Ranger 4x4 mod

I was flipping through a co-worker's 4x4 magazine, I think it was Four
Wheeler, although I am not sure. But, they had a section on Ranger
modifications that are possible. One that caught my eye was a conversion
for F150 Dana 44 TTB to fit under older Rangers (and TTB Explorers I
assume). The blurb said that the width was reduced, 4" I think. I was
wondering if anyone has done, or heard of anyone doing, this.

The question that struck me was that by the time you put in a V8, IFS Dana
44, transmission change, suspension lift, etc. into a Ranger, why not just
get a short WB F150?

Dave
(still mostly factory) '97 Ranger

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:59:11 -0500
From: "Bill Jeska"
Subject: 1997 F250 Transmission Noise Problems

I have a 1997 F250 Powerstroke 4x4 Crewcab with 5000
miles on it which has had this problem since I took delivery.
Experiencing a loud hum at 1600 rpm in either 3rd gear
(at about 40 mph) or in 4th gear (at about 60 mph).
Also, when the truck is rapidly accelerated at 2500 rpm
and the transmission upshifts from 1st to 2nd, and when the
transmission shifts from 2nd to 3rd, the rpms drop to
about 1600 rpm and there is an extremely loud groaning
sound and a strong vibration. The same thing occurs
if the truck is accelerated back up to about 2500 rpms
and when the transmission shifts from 3rd to 4th the
same groaning and vibration occurs when the rpms drop
to about 1600 rpms. I notice this shifting problem as
I accelerate onto the highway. Does anyone have an
idea as to the source of the problem. The Ford dealer
and Ford have looked at this problem for over 2 months
and cannot diagnosis the problem. They have changed
engine/transmission mounts, remouted the exhaust. I
feel it is transmission related, but the Ford dealer
will not work on the transmission as the Ford Technical
Hotline apparently has to authorize the dealer to do
the work, or the dealer work will not be paid by Ford.

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:42:20 EST
From: Blest25913
Subject: Weight In Back

In a message dated 12/21/97 6:08:47 AM, you wrote:


I drive my '88 Ranger XLT here in Ohio, where the snow hangs around for
awhile, melts, then comes back. I don't carry weight in the bed, and every
time it snows and the rear end slips around, I curse myself for not carrying
any weight. Maybe I'm just a masochist.
>>

Why don't you guys just get 4X4's?
Your snow problems will come to an end. I got a 4X4 Ranger two years ago,
and don't worry about snow anymore. Now ice, thats a different story.

Ron

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:08:52 EST
From: Blest25913
Subject: Check Engine Light

In a message dated 12/23/97 6:09:41 AM, you wrote:


miles to bring in for a routine checkup? I was driving home from work sick
and couldn't check for too long under the hood.>>

I don't believe any manufacturer has their 'Check Engine Light' set to come on
at a certain mileage. Mine came on at 44K,because my MLP sensor on my
transmission had a problem.
Ron
'96 Ranger 3.0L Auto 4X4

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 23:16:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: 98 F250 pictures

I have scanned in photos of the grill, dash and tail-lights
of the 1998 F250. If you guys/gals think its a good idea
they'll go on the web site this weekend.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:30:24 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Suburban competition

Ryan Penner wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MR JOSH J TENNEY
> To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 12:51 PM
> Subject: re: Suburban competition
>
> >The Ford "Suburban " fighter is called the "Crew Wagon." It is a six
> >door beast that is a few inches longer than the Ch*v*.
> >
> >Josh

> The other day here in Colorado I saw something even bigger.
> It was aa Crew Wagon with and Extended cab put onto the end of the
> 2nd door. So basically you could (if it were all bench seating) put 9 people
> in this truck! It was 4x4 and a dualie too!
>

I, too, have seen one of these 6-door beasts. Six FULL-SIZE door F-350
4x4 diesels, w/an 8 foot bed (cuz I don't care how many doors it has,
you ain't poop if you ain't got an 8' bed!) and had a Lund racerback cab
extender. The cab itself w/the extender looked as big as a van!! Plus
the 8' bed and duallies! It also had the split diamond-plate running
boards (you've seen the kind on duallies, where the rear section tapers
out to the width of the dually fender) and the front one was the entire
lentgh of the cab! There were four captains chairs in the front and
middle w/a bench in the rear. There was a poster inside on the rear
seat where they had a photo taken w/the Hooters girls. It was at a
local car show here in Ohio over the summer. Very cool!!

Later,
Randy

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:35:56 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Ranger 4x4 mod

Dave Armbruster wrote:
>
> I was flipping through a co-worker's 4x4 magazine, I think it was Four
> Wheeler, although I am not sure. But, they had a section on Ranger
> modifications that are possible. One that caught my eye was a conversion
> for F150 Dana 44 TTB to fit under older Rangers (and TTB Explorers I
> assume). The blurb said that the width was reduced, 4" I think. I was
> wondering if anyone has done, or heard of anyone doing, this.
>
> The question that struck me was that by the time you put in a V8, IFS Dana
> 44, transmission change, suspension lift, etc. into a Ranger, why not just
> get a short WB F150?
>
> Dave
> (still mostly factory) '97 Ranger
>
Dave, I must agree w/getting the full-size for all that work. Some guys
just have to have a unique vehicle I guess. I think I've seen some tech
postings on the fourwheeler.com website. Look under the Ford section
and scroll down thru there, you may find more info on it. I didn't look
at the msgs. myself, so as far as I know, they're asking the same
questions you are, but check it out. And here I'm trying to swap out my
TTB for a straight axle.....silly me.

Later,
Randy

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 20:46:44
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: F150 oil press gage?

Has anyone installed an oil pressure gage in an 88 or so F150 with a 302?
Any thoughts on what you ran into? (the factory dash mounted gage is not a
gage at all, and is either zero or 'norm', switched off the oil pressure
light sensor).
thanks, Dave Lampert

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:51:13 -0800
From: Sheldon Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Ranger 4x4 mod

A friend of mine in SoCal did just that, and put a TTB Dana 44 under his
'93 Ranger.

The reason you'd make all those swaps instead of buying a SWB F150 is
that the Ranger is a much narrower truck, and is more maneuverable than
the wider F-Series rigs. Plus, depending on the model Ranger, the
wheelbase is shorter, another factor that aids in maneuverability when
going off-road.

- --
SCB
belinkoff earthlink.net

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:06:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Explorer/Bronco 2/Ranger list

I've got the two list of addresses put together but unfortunately
I lost all the emails sent to me about the small truck list.
I meant to reply to several of the emails but I can't, sorry.

Please email me directly (kpayne mindspring.com) with the
following as the subject: small truck list
only if you wish to be removed from a list after you're on the
small truck list or if I did not put you down in the subscriber
list(s) correctly. I no longer have the removal list so this
is needed from you.

Following is the list of everyone for the small truck lists...
This new list had better response than any new list in the past
so I guess it was long over due. Formal announcement goes out
to the Newsgroups on Monday when the list is activated. Full
directions will go out as the first post to the list and a
digest will immediately go out after that post.

Later,
Ken Payne

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:32:38 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Vote on another list

Several people have asked about having a list which focuses
on 1997+ F150/1998+ F250-350 trucks. Our survey shows we
have over 100 members with one of these trucks. This is
more than enough support for this list. Voting link is on
the web site, http://www.ford-trucks.com, near the bottom of
the page. Your opinion counts but if you need to vent an
opinion decide whether it needs to be on the lists for
everyone to see or sent to me personally
(kpayne mindspring.com).

All comments sent to me are welcome whether they are positive
or negative. I will respond personally to each comment,
unless you ask me not to.

One last item... I'm going to format the on line survey into
human readable results and put them on the web site monthly.

Later,
Ken

PS - Sorry for all the admin posts lately.

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 21:56:41 -0800
From: "Ulysses Samilo"
Subject: Re: Check Engine Light

I beg to differ. Some older model vehicles had mechanical switches that
tripped when your speedometer hit a certain mileage. I had an 84 Nissan
STX 4x4 that did just that every 30 thousand miles. You could do 1 of two
things to turn the "Check Engine" light off. One was unplug the light from
its connector (which was what most dealers usually did) or you could remove
the speedometer assembly and manually reset the switch from the backside.
The problem with resetting the switch was that it eventually came on again.
Now, I don't know how it works with my 98 Ranger, whether it is eletrical
or mechanical, or if it is set to go off at a certain mileage at all, but
some manufaturers do have the "Check Engine" light turn on at a certain
mileage.

Ulysses Samilo
High Speed Logic Design Engineer
Email: (wk) ulyssess amcc.com
(hm) usamilo1 san.rr.com
WWW: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.san.rr.com/ulysses....


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