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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, December 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 277



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In this issue:

Ford Suburban [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
re: Suburban competition [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
re: 2.3L Performance Parts [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
1999 Towing info [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
re:Ford Suburban [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
F150 front suspension [Shadorite ]
Recommended Snow Traction. [RandalDGazdecki eaton.com]
Re: 1999 Towing info [John Yee ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #276 [Bill Funk ]
Re: Limited Slip Questions [Randy ]
Re[2]: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction. [bthomas Kollsman.com]
Re: Ford Suburban [Randy ]
Re: Recommended Snow Traction. [Randy ]
Supercab one tons & Short box crewcabs [Tyler Abbott ]
Re: Supercab one tons & Short box crewcabs [Shadorite ]
Re: Supercab one tons & Short box crewcabs [Sheldon Belinkoff
ADMIN: small truck list and web pics [Ken Payne ]
Re: F150 front suspension ["Andy Haydock" ]
Re: check engine light on? [YIASCA ]
Re: check engine light on? [Randy ]
Re: Ford Suburban [DUALIE ]
Re: Ford Suburban ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: Suburban competition ["Ryan Penner" ]
Grab Rail ["jlohse" ]

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 97 12:45
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: Ford Suburban

John,

That must be it. The one I see around my office is realy cool looking,
like what you would expect a Ford suburban to look like. It did not look
like an aftermarket addition, but you knew it was. It looks a lot
"beeffier" than an Expidition. I gues thats becaus of the Crew-Cab
suspension (I think they are 3/4 ton or better maybe wrong here is there
such a thing as a 1/2 ton Crew-Cab?). Anyway if Ford would psoduce
something like this I bet it would realy blow the suburban off the
market. Might even convert some chevy owners to ford. Anyway I realy
liked it, gad you've seen it......I thought some people on this list
might think I was nuts.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:46:46, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Suburban competition

The Ford "Suburban " fighter is called the "Crew Wagon." It is a six
door beast that is a few inches longer than the Ch*v*.

Josh

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:58:45, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: 2.3L Performance Parts

Check out www.sky.net/~wkurtz

This site has some good stuff on it.

Josh

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:02:44, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: 1999 Towing info

If anyone is looking for towing ratings on 1999 trucks, I have them.
E-Mail me privately and tell me what ya want.

Josh
Lakeland Truck Center

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:01:22, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re:Ford Suburban

A conversion company called "Centurian" has done this. A work with a
guy that has a 1992 F-150 or now called C-150 Centurian Conversion.
It has the 5.8L with a power chip, auto, fully loaded XLT, 4x4, and
it's FOR SALE. It looks like a crew cab with a topper, but it is
better.

Josh

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:34:10 EST
From: Shadorite
Subject: F150 front suspension

Hey all,
Ok I need some advice. I have a '84 F150 that I am turning pro
street. I have found two front suspensions for it. First is a Mustang IFS ansd
second is a setup from a Lincoln?? If anyone knows which of these would be
better are another setup that would work I would like to know.

Josh Wolff

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Date: 22 Dec 97 15:55:33 EST
From: RandalDGazdecki eaton.com
Subject: Recommended Snow Traction.

Boy!! Am I sorry I asked that question!!!! Jeez!! Gimmie a break!!
Randy G
K.O.T.C.C.
randaldgazdecki eaton.com
"Heart of the N.S.S.N!!"

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:30:27 -0800
From: John Yee
Subject: Re: 1999 Towing info

Ok Josh, I'll take you up on the offer.
Looking for F350 specs.
Everything if possible, but if I have to pick...

Then, Auto, single rear wheel, super cab, short box.

thanks,

- -john

Is there a temporary block on information, hence the private emai?
Or just too much information? Just curious.


>If anyone is looking for towing ratings on 1999 trucks, I have them.
>E-Mail me privately and tell me what ya want.
>
>Josh
>Lakeland Truck Center

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:43:45 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #276

> RandalDGazdecki eaton.com
> Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.



> >Put what ever weight your head can tolerate when it (the
> weight) comes
> >ripping through the back of the cab after you have hit
> something or nailed
> >the brakes to avoid hitting something.
> >
> >Don't do this. Manufactures don't design for these unscheduled loads.
>
> >
> >Sorry, but you asked for it!
> >
> >Happy headache,
> >Bob Ford

What I did was this:I put a Gater web between the wheel wells.
I carry my Computer in the F-250 twicw a month. While the computer is
normally fastened down (with bungee cords), any sudden stops (or worse)
could break part of the load loose, and send it into the front of the
bed. The web keeps this from happening.
I'm sure it would work for sand bag weights, too.
It can be easily unfastened for larger loads.

Bill Funk

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:57:39 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

Chad Royse wrote:
>
> By description you missed one. I 'think' it's a torque sensing diff that I am thinking of. In my 97 250HD 4x4 with a limited slip 3.55, it acts completely open until you
> start to lose traction. For example when I take off up a wet hill (typical pickup scenario) one wheel will start to spin and I barely move. Then in about two seconds the
> second wheel grabs tight and the rear-end will wonder a little bit until the wheels stop free spinning.
>

Agreed, Chad, I did. I was mentioning aftermarkets, though. Ford does
have a Trac-lok differential option from what I understand, that you may
have. I don't know how well this works, let me know. I also don't know
yet, how that works (mechanically, I mean), but will do more research.

Randy

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:48:29 -0500
From: bthomas Kollsman.com
Subject: Re[2]: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.

I'll try again. Please excuse the band width.

The original poster (R.D. Gazdecki) inquired as to how much
weight to put in his truck. He didn't say much about what
he was going to use or if and how he was going to restrain
it. He and I corresponded off line where in I attempted to
explain some things. I'll try that here. I'm not trying to
rant and above all I'm not trying to save lives.

In 40 years of driving in New England I've seen any number
of ways to do this. Cylinder heads, concrete blocks, pig
iron, blocks of steel etc. etc.. Most of these items have
been unrestrained. One that comes to mind is the block of
steel 18" 18" x 2.5" thick (about 230 lbs). This truck was
in the parking lot at work so I kept tabs on it. It looked
like the guy made some attempt to restrain the load back at
the tail gate with tie-downs. Sure enough, about a month
later a big hole appears in the front of the bed, obviously
caused by the chunk of steel. The funny part was, the block
was still in there.

Ok, lets say you put 200 lbs back there and then hit
something or SOMETHING HITS YOU. It is not unlikely that
crash event time would exceed .1 to .2 seconds. Example:
you are going 45 mph [66 ft per sec.] and this crash causes
your vehicle to stop in 10'. That means you stopped in
about .166 seconds. The deceleration forces involved are
about 12.4 Gs. Let say you stopped in 5' or .08 seconds,
then the G force would be nearly 25. This means your 200#s
now becomes 5000#s. Lets say your restraint system failed
because the stain rate it was subjected to was too high
(remember, it has to contain the 5000# force in .08 sec.).
But, you did a good job in building the system so it
actually dissipated half the energy before releasing the
weight. Now the front of the bed and / or the rear window
have to stop only 2500 lbs.. Ok, lets say the window
dissipates another 5 Gs, now your head only has to stop 750
lbs. etc. etc..

Question, way would you use your head for something like
that. Why wouldn't you use it for something it was made to
do, like holding up a hat.

Now, how does the weight get airborne. Lets see, you are on
the Interstate, the guy in front brakes hard (he has 4wd &
abs so he can do this). Anyway you swerve, end up going
down a 30 deg. embankment and hit a tree or large rock.
Maybe the weight at this point is only acted upon by 1 or 2
Gs. Maybe this is all a waste of time and bandwidth because
you are all lucky.

Reread the post from the rescue squad guy. He has seen
these forces in action!
Bob Ford




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Subject: Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.
Author: Paul Laughlin at KOLLSMAN
Date: 12/22/97 7:16 PM




bthomas Kollsman.com wrote:
. When you hit something or something hits you, depending on
the
situation and the weight restraining system (most I've seen
don't exist)
this weight can come flying through the cab(rear window). Think
about
it!
Just how hard would you have to hit (or be hit) in order to
lift half
an innertube full of sand up and through the rear window? Most
people,
that I know of , place these around the fender wells and they
tend to
stay put very well.
Paul in Portland OR.
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:07:02 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Ford Suburban

Yeah, John, I have seen one. Very cool. I live in Ohio and my buddy
once asked the owner of the 'crewcab bronco' how he got it. He said it
was a special order. It seems to me that it had the early 80's front
end, but can't remember for sure. Maybe Ford didn't find enough
interest to justify the continued special mfg. of them? Obviously the
guys who own them get asked alot about them, so don't be afraid to
approach the guy and ask him yourself.

Later,
Randy


Cassis, John wrote:
>
> I have seen two conversions here in Houston. One I see pretty often in
> the building accross the street from my office. Looks like a crewcab
> truck with a Bronco top on the back pretty cool looking like a four door
> bronco. Has anyone else seen these. I am assuming they are costom
> conversions of some sort. They dont look like an aftermarket conversion
> though they look like the real deal, but no such vehicle exists. Anyway
> just curious if any of you guys have seen anything like this before, and
> why has'nt Ford done this?
>
> John Cassis
> The danger Ranger
> 93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:21:21 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Recommended Snow Traction.

LOL, Randy, I bet you are. Just to add more to the thread, though. I
would definitely recommend adding weight, but you'll have to experiment
for yourself to see what weight best suits your driving. Start w/100
lbs. of sand and go from there. The best place is over the axle, not
between the axle and tailgate, because if you do bring the rear end
around or fishtail, the weight will make the truck continue in that
direction making it harder to regain control. Just make sure it's
secure and happy motoring.

No longer the only one NOT to continue this thread...hehe,
Randy

RandalDGazdecki eaton.com wrote:
>
> Boy!! Am I sorry I asked that question!!!! Jeez!! Gimmie a break!!
> Randy G

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:44:03 -0800
From: Tyler Abbott
Subject: Supercab one tons & Short box crewcabs

>From what I've read FORD never produced a "Four wheel drive, one ton, Super
cab", ever. I may be mistaken, but I know I've never seen one or read about
one stock.
I also have a question about "Short box crew cab". Ford never mentioned them
in the brochure until 97 (and only a F250). I've seem many F350 short box
around town but all had the Bush/Loggers Box. Any idea? Maybe a chasis/cab
frame with a crew cab?
Thanks
- -Tyler-

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:55:52 EST
From: Shadorite
Subject: Re: Supercab one tons & Short box crewcabs

Hey,
Actually the first crew cab short bed was introduced in the 70s and they
have been readily available ever since. One of my friends has a '93 F350
extended cab shortbed 4x4 that he bouht off the showroom floor. If its not
factory then the only thing I can think of is that some one special ordered it
and then didnt buy it. Its a beutiful truck. Its has the XLT package with a
460 and E4OD. Hope that helps.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:52:03 -0800
From: Sheldon Belinkoff
Subject: Re: Supercab one tons & Short box crewcabs

> From what I've read FORD never produced a "Four wheel drive, one ton, > Super cab", ever. I may be mistaken, but I know I've never seen one or > read about one stock.

Sheesh! I've seen quite a few of them. When I was looking for an F350
4X4 w/a regular cag, I kept running into SuperCabs. They're out there
.
- --
SCB
belinkoff earthlink.net

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:16:23 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: small truck list and web pics

I'll be unavailable through the first of the year because of
"crunch time" with a project I'm one. The small truck list
will not go on line until after the 1st.

To those who were wondering about the web pics used without
permission... only if your truck is a 73-79 do you need to
worry. The web site is: www.73-79 fordtrucks. com

It turns out that he also stole the graphic from the Big
Bronco page. I'm sure they'll take action since they are
hosted by Offroad.com (a huge site with money to back themselves
up). I've notified the vice-president of Offroad about this
copyright violation.

Well, back to work (no kidding... I'll be here late),

Ken

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:18:06 -0800
From: "Andy Haydock"
Subject: Re: F150 front suspension

> Hey all,
> Ok I need some advice. I have a '84 F150 that I am turning pro
> street. I have found two front suspensions for it. First is a Mustang IFS
ansd
> second is a setup from a Lincoln?? If anyone knows which of these would
be
> better are another setup that would work I would like to know.

They are both probably pretty close to the exact same (I know that many
Lincoln-Mustang parts are interchangeable). The only thing is that the
Lincoln should have bigger stock rotors (I would upgrade to the cobra 13"
rotor if you are doing a prostreet).

Hope this helps

Andrew

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:01:09 EST
From: YIASCA
Subject: Re: check engine light on?

I havedone several mods to my 3.0L ford ranger splash and today when my engine
turned 26000 the check engine light came on???? I check everything on the dash
(tach,oil,battery,temp) all where very normal.

here is a list of things I've done 3 months prior to this.....happening

k&n air filter
3.73 gears
synthethic oil--
computer chip

Does ford have a thing where your lights come on in the truck after so many
miles to bring in for a routine checkup? I was driving home from work sick
and couldn't check for too long under the hood. I have rebuilt engines for
racing and I'm very knowledgeable about motor in general. Everything looked
fine...Myabe i'll disconnect the battery and reset the computer????

Dave

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:55:55 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: check engine light on?

Dave, from what you can tell, was it exactly 26k miles. If so, I would
say that it is a maintenance reminder. Even if you change fluids or
whatever is to be done at that mileage, if you didn't 'tell' the
computer, it doesn't know. A friend had a car from another mfg. one
time and there were three little slots in the dash, near the speedo.
Each one had a light that went w/it. Oil filter and Oil change were
two, don't remember the third, anyway when the light came on you pushed
the key into the slot and it turned off the light. I don't think Ford
has that type of setup, but they must have something. I hate the 'check
engine' dummy light found on cars today. If those computers are so high
tech and can tell the technician the problem when he hooks-up to it,
then it should be a little more specific. I don't mean going crazy of
course, but if it's on for a basic maintenance problem, then it should
say so.

- -Randy


YIASCA wrote:
>
> I havedone several mods to my 3.0L ford ranger splash and today when my engine
> turned 26000 the check engine light came on???? I check everything on the dash
> (tach,oil,battery,temp) all where very normal.
>
> here is a list of things I've done 3 months prior to this.....happening
>
> k&n air filter
> 3.73 gears
> synthethic oil--
> computer chip
>
> Does ford have a thing where your lights come on in the truck after so many
> miles to bring in for a routine checkup? I was driving home from work sick
> and couldn't check for too long under the hood. I have rebuilt engines for
> racing and I'm very knowledgeable about motor in general. Everything looked
> fine...Myabe i'll disconnect the battery and reset the computer????
>
> Dave

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:58:53 EST
From: DUALIE
Subject: Re: Ford Suburban

yes i have seen several 4-door bronco conversions all of witch were done by
Centurion Conversions out of Los Angeles all they are is a stock pranco
chassis streched and fis plated with crew cab rear dors and lengthened
driveshafts. nohting more. somtimes they drobed a 460ci in but in only a few.

So thats whats up with the 4-door bronco.

Ps. I have even seen a 4-door early bronco as well as 79 4-door bronco.

thats all i know. hope that helps you.

DCP

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:26:49 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Ford Suburban

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cassis, John
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 9:54 AM
Subject: Ford Suburban



I have seen two conversions here in Houston. One I see pretty often in
the building accross the street from my office. Looks like a crewcab
truck with a Bronco top on the back pretty cool looking like a four door
bronco. Has anyone else seen these. I am assuming they are costom
conversions of some sort. They dont look like an aftermarket conversion
though they look like the real deal, but no such vehicle exists. Anyway
just curious if any of you guys have seen anything like this before, and
why has'nt Ford done this?

John Cassis
The danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4 3.0/5-speed


Yes these are custom convesions by a company called Centriun
Basically before the Exbdition was around you could go to Ford by a 350
take it to this company and have them convert it to a (suburban). What it
was
was a bronco top on the back and all kinds of goodies inside.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:31:01 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Suburban competition

- -----Original Message-----
From: MR JOSH J TENNEY
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 12:51 PM
Subject: re: Suburban competition


>The Ford "Suburban " fighter is called the "Crew Wagon." It is a six
>door beast that is a few inches longer than the Ch*v*.
>
>Josh
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The other day here in Colorado I saw something even bigger.
It was aa Crew Wagon with and Extended cab put onto the end of the
2nd door. So basically you could (if it were all bench seating) put 9 people
in this truck! It was 4x4 and a dualie too!

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