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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, December 21 1997 Volume 01 : Number 274



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In this issue:

94 F150 Power Door Locks ["Norman Maranda" ]
Wiper relays n switches / fuel guage / Clutch Slave Cylinder Tool [Mad Po]
Re: ADMIN: Who wants to be on the Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list? ["Randy]
Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction. [Dave Armbruster
Re: Warning Chime [Dave Armbruster ]
Winter traction..... ["The Lublin Family" ]
Sport Truck Competition??? [Luke Wells ]
turning noise q [Luke Wells ]
Re: Sport Truck Competition??? [Gardner ]
Re: Limited Slip Questions [Randy ]
Ford D series pic. [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Web pics, integrity and chat [Ken Payne ]
'99 Supperduty Info [Mitch Biarsky ]
300 I-6 sounds like a diesel ["Gary Snook" ]
Suburban competition ["Gary Snook" ]
Metric System ["Gary Snook" ]
H.O. ["Gary Snook" ]
Re: "Suburban" [JOUZA1 ]
Re: Sport Truck Competition??? [JOUZA1 ]
Re: ADMIN: Web pics, integrity and chat [Randy ]
Re: ADMIN: Web pics, integrity and chat [Randy ]
Re: Wheels/Tires...LARGER 16'' TIRES [FSTFORDS ]
Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list [BiggRanger ]
Re: Suburban competition ["Ted Lister" ]
Re: lists [SNOOP22222 ]
Re: Ford "Suburban" Type Vehicle ["Laura Dale" ]

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 08:22:47 -0500
From: "Norman Maranda"
Subject: 94 F150 Power Door Locks

Hello Fello Ford Owners I have a question concerning my power door
locks on my 94 f150. My locks started suddenly acting up; the lock switch on
the driverside door does not work at all and the passenger side switch is able
to unlock both doors but it does not lock the doors. As to what might be wrong?
Is it possible for a bad driverside switch to affect the passangerside switch
too. Gotta run thanks in advance for the info

NOM



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NAME: Norman J. Maranda Jr.
TITLE: STRESS ANALYST
DEPT: D464
E-MAIL ADDRESS: nmaranda gdeb.com
WORK #: (860) 433-1652

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:45:03 EST
From: Mad Poodle
Subject: Wiper relays n switches / fuel guage / Clutch Slave Cylinder Tool

Being a 3 in 1 post, I'll try to only send this once for a change ;-)

Had trouble with
> the switch on the turn-signal stalk, though--

My 93 F250 had 2 replaced under warranty, and now needs another one. Makes
the intermittent wipers *really* intermittent when it starts to go. Funny,
wifes 92 Bronco has never needed one.....

Fuel Guage

Well, mine died in one tank. Saw a post here I think regarding this problem.
Dash switch checks out OK, other tank reads properly. Does anyone know if
sender is part of fuel pump assy? Rumours I have heard seem to confirm this,
which kinda sounds xpensive to fix. Not to mention dropping the tank with the
incredible custom built (welded) hitch in the way sounds like a wonderful way
to spend a week...

Clutch Slave Cylinder

Well, 90k miles of serious towing and a lead foot have finally caused my
clutch pedal to start loving that ole floor board. Looking new parts seems
to indicate that a special tool is required to release the line from the
Clutch Slave Cylinder. Brute force is always an option, but I would like to
get the right tool as we have a bunch o these trucks. Snap On guy totally
lost. Anybody got the scoop on this item??

Thanks,

Scott
92 Bronco, 351 EOD
93 F250 SC, 351, 5 Spd
98 F150, 284, 5 Spd
77 FLH
77 FX

Fords n Harleys.. Gotta luv this country!!

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:13:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Randy L. Hatcher"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Who wants to be on the Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list?

I do !!!

On Sat, 20 Dec 1997, ILuvTruks wrote:

> In a message dated 97-12-18 22:58:10 EST, you write:
>
> > kpayne mindspring.com
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afn23242 afn.org
Randy Hatcher

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those that have minds don't use them,those that do can't think straight.

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:51:24 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.

>If one believed "Bob Ford", then pickup trucks are not designed to carry any
>load?
>He wrote ...
>
>>>Don't do this. Manufactures don't design for these unscheduled loads.
>
>
>Obviously, this is incorrect. A half-ton pickup is designed to haul a half
>ton, or 1000 pounds. It is not an "unscheduled" load in the least, it's
>what a truck is designed to do. While certain loads could indeed come
>crashing into the operator, bags of sand placed over the back wheels,
>secured in the bed with 2x4's or what have you is not in any danger of
>shifting in any sort of accident.
>
>I drive my '88 Ranger XLT here in Ohio, where the snow hangs around for
>awhile, melts, then comes back. I don't carry weight in the bed, and every
>time it snows and the rear end slips around, I curse myself for not carrying
>any weight. Maybe I'm just a masochist.

I personally didn't think Bob was talking about loads in general. My take
on the post was that leaving unsecured bags of sand or whatever for the
winter is not what Ford intended. They design the truck to have the load
put in the bed, tied down and removed when you reach your destination.

If they wanted you to put in winter weight, they'd have a procedure for it
or place to put it (lawyers would certainly tell them that), or maybe they
think you are supposed to spring for 4x4 if you live in a place where the
your travels are so important you can't wait for the plows and cinder
trucks.

Just my $.02,
Dave

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 10:11:51 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: Warning Chime

>J/C,
>
>Maybe it is standard starting on the 97. My Ranger is a 97 XLT with the 864
>package and the auto trans. There is no old style slight switch to be seen
>anywhere! I know what they look like; all previous vehicles I ever owned
>had that type that stuck out from the body waiting for the door to press it
>in.
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Midwest96
>To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
>Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 3:37 PM
>Subject: Re: Warning Chime
>
>
>>In a message dated 97-12-19 00:30:51 EST, you write:
>>
>>

Looks like in the service manual diagram that the switch has been
integrated into the door mechanism itself. There is a grounding-type leaf
switch attached to the front door latch, inside of the door. There is also
a module in the dash that contains the logic to run the dome light and door
ajar lamp, this turns on the light when you pull up on the handle, use the
remote door unlock or open the door, it also turns off the light after 25
sec, turn the ignition on, if you go above a certain speed or if the module
has not seen an open/close in 40 minutes (battery saver). Since a logic
circuit takes a whole lot less current that the dome lights, they could
make that switch very small and intergrate it into the door. The problem
then is that the system requires logic to operate, although it is nice that
if you leave the dome on, it doesn't run your battery down.

Dave
'97 Ranger

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:12:15 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Winter traction.....

Hello everyone:

I am wondering about which setup I should use for winter traction in my '81 F-150 2 wheel drive. Currently I have a complete junk
302 in the back and 31 inch meats in the rear. So far, this setup has worked pretty good, going forward,but I hardly have
traction in reverse. Somebody told me that I might want to switch to the Smaller P235/75/R15 tires for winter. I am currently
running the 31's at 28 PSI. I do have P235's on the front. Does anybody have any better ideas?

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:41:52 -0500
From: Luke Wells
Subject: Sport Truck Competition???

I want to vent about an article in the newest issue of Sport Truck
magazine. It is a competition about sport truck of the year. In this
article they compared 98' models of sport trucks in about six different
categories. I can't remember all of the categories but I think it was
1/4 mile, towing, 0-60, 60-0, and mile time. The trucks that were
compared were the Mazda B2000(4.0 V6), the Ch*vy S-10(2.2L 4cyl), GMC
sonoma(4.3L V6), Nissan Frontier(4cyl DOHC), Dogde Dakota(5.9L V8),
Ranger Splash(3.0 V6). Great contest huh? The magazine states that the
representative automotive organizations(ie, Ford, Dodge) sent them their
best example of what would compete in the contest. Yeah right, but guess
what truck won, ta da the Dogde Dakota. Now I don't want to slam the
whole contest, ok but I will of course the Dodge won it was the V8 235
horsepower, 0-60 slammed everybody, 60-0 slammed, 1/4 mile duh, mile
don't ask, towing killed the competition. The only thing it lost in was
gas mileage, duh. I have already written to the magazine and bashed them
for a poorly put together charade. I was just tryin to get some other
people to do the same, because ford being the smart company it is would
have never in reality sent the 3.0(not to bash the 3.0).And where was
the Tacoma? Well if you want to check it out it is on the newstands now.
Thanks for listening.

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 13:43:45 -0500
From: Luke Wells
Subject: turning noise q

My friends 96 Ranger makes a high pitch chirping noise when he turns the
wheel right, sometimes it doesn't happen right away but it does
eventually make the noise any ideas? thanks

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:03:52 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Sport Truck Competition???

Luke Wells wrote:
>
> I want to vent about an article in the newest issue of Sport Truck
> magazine. It is a competition about sport truck of the year. In this
> article they compared 98' models of sport trucks in about six different
> categories. I can't remember all of the categories but I think it was
> 1/4 mile, towing, 0-60, 60-0, and mile time. The trucks that were
> compared were the Mazda B2000(4.0 V6), the Ch*vy S-10(2.2L 4cyl), GMC
> sonoma(4.3L V6), Nissan Frontier(4cyl DOHC), Dogde Dakota(5.9L V8),
> Ranger Splash(3.0 V6). Great contest huh? The magazine states that the
> representative automotive organizations(ie, Ford, Dodge) sent them their
> best example of what would compete in the contest. Yeah right, but guess
> what truck won, ta da the Dogde Dakota. Now I don't want to slam the
> whole contest, ok but I will of course the Dodge won it was the V8 235
> horsepower, 0-60 slammed everybody, 60-0 slammed, 1/4 mile duh, mile
> don't ask, towing killed the competition. The only thing it lost in was
> gas mileage, duh. I have already written to the magazine and bashed them
> for a poorly put together charade. I was just tryin to get some other
> people to do the same, because ford being the smart company it is would
> have never in reality sent the 3.0(not to bash the 3.0).And where was
> the Tacoma? Well if you want to check it out it is on the newstands now.
> Thanks for listening.
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Maybe everyone elso SHOULD offer a V-8...none of the compact trucks with
any of their power trains are going to beat a 5.2 liter dakota less
alone the new 5.9 liters...Dodge has diffently got an edge..A HUGE ONE!

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:18:10 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Questions

I tried to send this yesterday and it appears it didn't work, so I'm
sending it again, since it took me a while to write it:

>
> Tyler Abbott wrote:
> >
> > I believe I have a good idea of how a Locker works, but I'm confused about
> > Limited slip. I know there're not as "good" as a true locked, but less
> > noticeable in daily driving. How do they operate? Do they truly lock? Is
> > posi traction refering to a Locker or LS?
> > What was factory available from FORD, a true locker or Limited slip?
> > Thanks
> > -Tyler-
> >
> Tyler, good q's. Generically 'posi' referres to a 'limited-slip'
> differential, not a locking-diff which is usually called a 'locker'
> deriving from the Detroit Locker. It comes from the *cough* GM
> posi-traction rear end. A limited-slip rear-end cannot operate as a
> fully locking differential. First, let's look at on 'open' diff to help
> explain this. Your diff contains a number of gears in it. Two of them
> are connected directly to the axleshafts, these are called the side
> gears. They are parallel to each other and have a space in between
> where the 'spider gears' are and are sitting perp. to the side gears.
> On an 'open diff' there is NO resistance between the two side gears.
> Therefore, when you drive down the road in a straight line, BOTH
> axleshafts receive torque from the Carrier gear via the pinion being driven
> by the driveshaft and turning the side gears (got that?). When one tire loses
> traction, however, the torque is delivered to the tire w/the LEAST
> amount, because the spider gears allow one axleshaft to spin at a
> different speed than the other, hence the name differential (to
> differentiate axleshaft rotation). These are great for dry pavement
> whether and allow cornering to be easy.
> Now for the limited-slip. It is the same as the open except that the
> side gears have some type of resistance placed
> against them, by either clutches or springs. This 'friction' causes the
> spider gears NOT to give-way until a certain amount of torque is reached
> that surpasses the amount placed on the gear by the clutches. Once that
> 'break-away' torque has been reached it acts just like an open-diff.
> You can get different pressure clutches depending on your needs/tastes
> (tasty, isn't it?).
> The reason for either of these types of diffs is cornering. Both an
> open diff and a 'slip' allow the wheels on a vehicle to turn at
> different speeds while cornering, therefore, no hops or squeals. Also,
> they will allow you to handle icy, slippery conditions better than
> full-locked. Ever watch a dragster kick sideways out of the burn pit?
> Not exactly what you'd want to be doing on icy roads now, right?
> Ok, now on to the king of the diffs. The full locking posi diff. These
> devices will turn both axles at the same rate all the time. They do not
> have spider gears and the side gears are locked into one another. These
> are what most real 'wheelers want in their rear diffs and some like 'em
> in the front. The problem occurs when driving home and you turn on
> pavement (mud will allow the tire to spin) and your inside tire starts
> sqealling (like a pig) and/or hoping. Now Detroit Lockers have angles
> built into the teeth between the two side gears to allow them to
> disengage when cornering WHILE COASTING, but not under torque or they
> wouldn't be lockers now would they.
> There is one exception to the locker on dry pavement. ARB Air-Lockers.
> They are an open-diff when not turned on, but via an air compressor/tank
> set-up you can hit a switch and the diff becomes FULLY LOCKED in 1/10 of
> a sec. Very cool, but not very cheap. This is the best all-around type
> of locker and I believe it can be done by the do-it-yourselfer, but I'd
> have to check on that if you wanted more info. Some lockers can be
> installed at home like the Lock-Rite (which, not that I think about it, may also allow an open diff on the pavement - can check if ya want), but usually Detroits must be
> installed by a pro. This was lengthy but I think it answers all of your
> q's about 'posis' and 'lockers'. If you have more or if my book here
> wasn't clear enough just let me know either directly or thru the list.
>
> ^^^^
> ---
> ----
> ---
> ---- ----
> --- --- is spinning at a different rate
> ---- -------------- of speed, or in this case, one side
> --- --- rotates while one does not (x)
> ---- ----
> --- ---
> ---- --------------
> --- --- ^
> ---- ---- axleshaft
> --- -> ---
> ---- ---> ----
> --- -----> ---
> ---- -------> ----
> ^
> spider gears
>
> Btw, to help clarify (?), the spider gears rotate w/the Carrier gear all the time.
> But when driving straight, they have no rotation or rpm's of their own, since
> they are turning w/the side and carrier gears all at the same time. Only when
> you get axle differentiation do the spider gears begin to rotate allowing one side
> gear to spin at a different rpm than the other. Or in this example, allow one axle
> to rotate (left) while the other (right) does not rotate at all.
>
> Sorry to be so long winded, but that's about as condensed as I can
> clearly (?) explain it.
>
> Later,
> Randy

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 14:28:21 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Ford D series pic.

A few people have inquired about the D series Ford trucks.
A small sample JPG image is on the web site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/fordd-56.jpg

Ken

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:54:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web pics, integrity and chat

Web Site Pictures
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About 2 weeks ago I was informed by a member that another
site had taken several graphic images from our pictorial and
was using them on his page without permission. I do not hold
the copyright to these images, the owners of the trucks do.
I simply put them on the site for the world to enjoy. I do,
however, feel that I have an obligation to the owners of the
vehicles on the site. They need to know that I will not use
the pictures for commercial gain.

Whenever I have been approached by an individual concerning
use of the pictures I've always asked them to question the
owner. In this case no one was asked. The pictures where
put on a commercial Ford truck restoration page. I emailed
the admin, asking him to either remove the pictures or
get permission. I was ignored. Yesterday I sent another
email stating that if action was not taken I would contact
their provider (who has a strict policy against such things).
Today I got an email telling me I was hassling him and he
was merely trying to show what restored trucks looked like.

He did not offer to take the pictures off or contact the
owners. Instead, he told me that it was **my** responsibility
to get the owners in touch with him. I have contacted his
host provider concerning this and the matter is no longer in my
hands. If you have any comments, questions, or concerns please
email me privately (this stuff doesn't belong on the discussion
groups) at kpayne mindspring.com.

Integrity
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We skate a very thin line, as FTE isn't really a big commercial
site; yet it does have advertisers to support its efforts. No
one is getting rich from the web site (especially considering the
hours we put in to keep everything going!).

We will continue to offer the lists, web classifieds, chat, etc and
we will also expand our free services for the hobbyist/enthusiast
as advertising revenue allows. Since the beginning, Ford Truck
Enthusiasts has been a hobbyist effort. The members here come
first. Every time our income has grown we've increased our
services. In the beginning we operated through the generousity
of the members (thanks to Deacon for getting the ball rolling).
It is our intention to have the highest level of integrity
so that members can continue to enjoy discussion free of
advertising and editorial influences.

We started out January 1997 with one list, no digest and less than
12 members. We've since grown to 3 lists (4th comes on line
tomorrow), live and digest, with nearly 1500 members. It has
grown from 1-2 hours of weekly administration to 1-3 hours of
daily administration. Traffic has grown from a few dozen weekly
messages to over 1000 weekly messages. Who would have guessed that
a simple urge to talk with other truck owners would have come this
far?

Next week, another item may come up for a vote, depending on whether
a new advertiser joins us - giving us the extra revenue we need
to support the item.... don't you just love the suspense?

Chat
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After the first of the year, we will be getting server side Java.
The chat page will operate using this. The IRC option has been
"thrown out" because we did some checking with users (as opposed
to "techies") and it seems that the average person has difficulty
setting up IRC. Peggy and I get enough questions on a daily basis
(80-200 emails daily, sometimes more) without having to deal with
the nightmare of helping people with IRC. In the meantime, the
chat script is now back on line until we have the Java engine
going. My apologies go out to those who have been eagerly awaiting
IRC (don't worry though, the Java applet I've got does nearly
everything IRC does without setup hassles). I've been wrestling
with this decision all week and I hope I've made the right choice.

If anyone wishes to talk to us online, one of us is usually on the
chat page around 10pm eastern time. Comments, suggestions and
questions welcome: kpayne mindspring.com

Wishing all the members a safe and happy holiday season,

Ken & Peggy Payne
CoAdmins (err, List Moms?), Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:30:11 -0500
From: Mitch Biarsky
Subject: '99 Supperduty Info

The following site has been updated with a great editorial and info...
it makes for some
interesting reading.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/99-F-Series/f-series.html


The following site has been updated with some new pictures.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/san.htm

Mitch

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:30:56 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: 300 I-6 sounds like a diesel

I have a 1992 F150 4x2 Supercab XLT. Has the 300 cid I-6 and a 5 speed.
I'm hoping that there are others on the list with a similar
engine/tranny combo-- My truck has 45000 miles on it, and the only
thing that worries me at all about it is this 'strange vibration.'
Basically, I notice this vibration/noise in 1st, second, third, and
(if I try) 4th gear. It seems to happen at a certain engine speed,
below 2000 rpm, I'd say. Friends whohave ridden with me (and heard the
noise) say it sounds like a vibration or lugging. It will be louder or
softer, depending on how much I'm into the gas pedal. In my opinion,
at it's worst, it sounds a little like a diesel engine. It does not,
however, sound like knocking or pinging, but I've only heard it on a
few cars.

My 1992 van with the 300 I-6 sounds like a diesel also. Always has, and my
guess is always will. I have seen other comments on this list about the
same thing, but no answers were given. Mine sounds worst at moderate load,
like going up a mild hill on Interstate at 70 MPH. Back off, or floor it,
and the noise goes away, but I too am inclined to agree that it is not
pinging even though the symptom is the same.

Gary

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:54:42 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: Suburban competition

Jimmy Quinn wrote:
>
> I have heard several references from friends that Ford will be releasing a
"Suburban"-like vehicle, though larger, in 1999. One person told me that
they had heard it would be based on the 350 Crewcab 4x4 frameworks. Several
people have said they saw mention of it in periodicals, but of course no one
remembers exactly where. Does anyone have any knowledge of such a truck?
Know of any articles about it? Pictures? Specifications?
>
Maybe I do not know what a "Suburban" is for sure. I thought Ford's answer
to the suburban was the Expedition/Navigator??????

Gary

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 15:14:58 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: Metric System


I had no idea that saying 'we thought we kicked that metric system all
the way back across the ocean' would freak people out. Face it folks,
we DON'T USE THE METRIC SYSTEM IN THE U.S.!! Only for stuff like
2-liter Cokes or tires and stuff. I'm not here to debate which is
easier to use or which is better. I've been using Standard Automotive
Engineering numbers all my life, so No, it isn't very difficult to
convert or use it.

Actually tire measurements are a MIX of metric and inches. The width of the
tire is in metric, and the rim size is in inches, as in P205 70R 15 the 205
is the widtm in milimeters, and the 15 in the rim size in inches

my .02

Gary

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 16:07:08 -0600
From: "Gary Snook"
Subject: H.O.

>Probably a really obvious answer here, but what does the H.O. stand for?
>Casey

In 1970 it stood for "High Output", and that was some Torino with the 351 C
HO, as anyone who ever stood on the go pedal in one of these babies can tell
you!!!!

Gary

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:20:07 EST
From: JOUZA1
Subject: Re: "Suburban"

Are you stupid? Ford is coming out with a suburban fighter bigger by 10
inches. Not the expidition but somthing entirely diffrent with 3 sets of
doors and an available V10. It will have two sets of regular doors and a set
of suicide doors. So you are the ignorant fool who does not know what you are
talking about so shut Up and dont call people stupid!

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:32:47 EST
From: JOUZA1
Subject: Re: Sport Truck Competition???

Tell me about I love sport truck but that test was bogus. All the trucks
should have been based on their base package or one their best package. how
can you compare the mopar 5.9 to the gm 2.2? I know it is chevy but evrybody
should have a fighting chance to win.

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:18:12 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web pics, integrity and chat

Ken Payne wrote:
>
Tell you what Ken, let me wait until I see how the Java script does,
then you can let me know. Or rather I'll let you know if I still would
want to get an IRC channel.
Randy

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:21:31 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Web pics, integrity and chat

I wrote:
>
> Ken Payne wrote:
> >
> Tell you what Ken, let me wait until I see how the Java script does,
> then you can let me know. Or rather I'll let you know if I still would
> want to get an IRC channel.
> Randy

oops, that wasn't supposed to go to the list, sorry. :-)

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:58:32 EST
From: FSTFORDS
Subject: Re: Wheels/Tires...LARGER 16'' TIRES

I WORK FOR DISCOUNT TIRE,AS AN ASST MAN. USUALLY WHAT WE USE IS 285= OR
GOODYEAR MAKES A 305/70/16 IN THE NEW GSA AND ATS TREAD DESIGNS. BOTH OF WHICH
LOOK REALLY NICE BUT... YOU WILL HAVE TO MOVE YOUR BUMPER OUT.

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:10:38 EST
From: BiggRanger
Subject: Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list

Please sign me up on the Ranger/Bronco II/Explorer list

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:54:16 -0500
From: "Ted Lister"
Subject: Re: Suburban competition

From: Gary Snook
>> I have heard several references from friends that Ford will be releasing
a
>"Suburban"-like vehicle, though larger, in 1999. One person told me that
>they had heard it would be based on the 350 Crewcab 4x4 frameworks.
Several>people have said they saw mention of it in periodicals, but of
course no one>remembers exactly where. Does anyone have any knowledge of
such a truck?


Gary,

Bottomline is the Expedition or Expy as we owners call them for short are in
direct competition with the Tahoe and Yukon made by "that other company".
The "Suburban Fighter" which will be made by Ford to compete with the
Suburban is currently being called the "Crew Wagon" though that might change
by 1999. There have been articles in Trailer Life magazine (Oct,97) with a
spy photo and both Motor Trend and Sport truck have had articles and artist
renderings of what it will look like. Picture(for now) a 15" longer
Expedition with a third set of doors(suicide style) for the rear seats. The
rest basically looks the same as the Expy right now, though the front will
most likely get the F350(Ram :>p) look, due to the 6.8L V10 motor.

Ted

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 22:55:15 EST
From: SNOOP22222
Subject: Re: lists

I want to be on any list that deals with rangers

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 20:00:32 -0800
From: "Laura Dale"
Subject: Re: Ford "Suburban" Type Vehicle

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First, before all of you freak out over this, I just bought a 1998 =
Expedition with
the 5.4L engine. I actually really like it, but then I am a chick, so I =
would.
My husband and I bought it to add to our fleet of Fords (he has a 1989 =
Ford F-250 Diesel which brought me to this discussion group to begin =
with - and to note,
we did finally fix the starting problem that it was having - we broke =
down and
rebuilt the entire fuel injector pump/system and we haven't had that =
annoying
unreliable start thing that I was complaining about in October...)

ANYWAY,
The plan as I understand it for the larger SUV from Ford is that it will
be releasing a larger Expedition - which means, yes the current model is
similar in size to the Tahoe, and the new one will be about a foot and =
a half
longer than the current one, similar to the Suburban. I believe it will =
be
called the - hold on - "Expedition." They plan to offer two versions, =
I presume
like they do with the Explorer, where there is a smaller version and a =
larger
version. This should satisfy all of those customers who want that =
Suburban
look with the features of the Ford Expedition.

As for the price, I know it is expensive; however, if you look at all =
the SUV's,
they are all ridiculous. Imagine a Lexus/Toyota for 50k? Or the =
hideous
Range Rover for its price. Or even the puny Mercedes for its price?
Come on! I didn't complain about the price because I scored. I went =
right
to fleet and worked it out with them. I already had the prices I knew =
they
would charge in my hand, and I negotiated a little even with Fleet. I =
ordered
exactly what I wanted and got it exactly as I asked. Truthfully, I =
really love
this vehicle because Ford spent a lot of time on little details on the =
interior
that make it truly exceptional for the money. It gets down to just =
stupid things
like a rear audio control with a headset for your screamin' meamies who =
always
fight over the radio, lots of little storage compartment things, rear =
climate=20
control, a separate jack for your cell phone, and stuff like that. =
Okay, I'm a chick, I like it. I looked at them all and was really happy =
about what Ford did with this.
So, if you want to talk about price issues, how about how much a new =
Ford F-250 HD diesel truck costs today, compared to when we bought ours =
eight years ago? It is a fact of life that the increase each year is =
averaging about 3%.This came from my friend the Fleet dealer out here. =
We paid less than 20k for our truck in 1989 and now we couldn't even get =
near it for over $30. =20
So, to sum it up, stop fighting...
Enjoy your Ford...
Laura=20
A chick =20

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My husband and I bought it to add to our fleet of =
Fords (he=20
has a 1989 Ford F-250 Diesel which brought me to =
this=20
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having  - we broke down and
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haven't=20
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Expedition - which=20
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50k?  Or the hideous
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Come on!   I didn't complain about the =
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