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fordtrucks80up-digest Saturday, December 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 272



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In this issue:

RE: 351 H.O. [Randy Rees ]
Re: 1999 Ford "Suburban" [Gardner ]
Re: 1999 Ford "Suburban" ["David J. Baldwin" ]
"Suburban" [george cummings ]
Re: "Suburban" ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: 1999 Ford Suburban [Bill Funk ]
Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction. ["Joe Merchak"
Re: 300 I 6 ["The Lublin Family" ]
Re: metric system ["The Lublin Family" ]
Frame size differences between F150 and F350 ["The Lublin Family"
Re: Ford "Suburban" ["The Lublin Family" ]
Re: 351 HO ["The Lublin Family" ]

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 13:33:51 -0800
From: Randy Rees
Subject: RE: 351 H.O.

High Output


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Casey Vandor [SMTP:cvandor eagle.ptialaska.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 1997 1:31 PM
> To: Ford Truck List
> Subject: 351 H.O.
>
> Probably a really obvious answer here, but what does the H.O. stand
> for?
> Casey
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:58:23 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: 1999 Ford "Suburban"

Jimmy Quinn wrote:
>
> I have heard several references from friends that Ford will be releasing a "Suburban"-like vehicle, though larger, in 1999. One person
told me that they had he
>
> Jimmy Quinn
> jquinn b-r.com
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I remember reading this in a motor trend article...which issue I don't
know but will check to see if i can find it.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:31:01 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: 1999 Ford "Suburban"

Thom Cheney wrote:
>
> Jimmy Quinn wrote:
> >
> > I have heard several references from friends that Ford will be releasing a "Suburban"-like vehicle, though larger, in 1999.
>
> I have seen some grainy spy-type photos of this rig. Ford had said it
> was going to build the truck for the South American market.let-proof glass. > ..., but they are reconsidering since Chevy can't keep up with the
> demand for Suburbans & we seem to be on an endless bigger is better
> kick.

I hope they do. I almost bought a Suburban earlier this year because I
needed the room and the new Expedition was just not large enough. I
didn't get it because (1) they were boning me over on price, and (2), I
couldn't stand the thought of owning a Chevy.

GM needs some competition on this vehicle. Ford, bring it on!

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:01:01 -0600
From: george cummings
Subject: "Suburban"

Are you all stupid? What do you think the Expedition is? What
differences could there be in an Expedition and a Suburban..wait don't
even try to get technical about it.. The point is, the Suburban is a
Silverado with four doors and a shell. Now the Expedition, or Bronco for
those who didn't know, is an F-150 with four doors and a shell!

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:21:02 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: "Suburban"

george cummings wrote:
>
> Are you all stupid? What do you think the Expedition is? What
> differences could there be in an Expedition and a Suburban..wait don't
> even try to get technical about it.. The point is, the Suburban is a
> Silverado with four doors and a shell. Now the Expedition, or Bronco for
> those who didn't know, is an F-150 with four doors and a shell!

Before you start flaming everyone, you owe it to yourself to park an
Expedition next to a Suburban and observe the differences.

If you did this, you would find that the Expedition is really the same
length as the Tahoe, which is about 18" shorter than the Suburban. The
difference between the Tahoe and Expedition is that Ford chose to put in
a third row of seating that GM did not make available.

The downside to this is that the Expedition has enough room behind the
rear seat to place some groceries. If you have triplets, enough room to
put a triplet stroller--but no additional room for anything else. The
Suburban allows enough room for the stroller plus another one if you're
trying to have another set (which I definitely am not)!

Of course the Expedition, Suburban, and whatever this new thing is going
to be will be more money than I will ever want to spend. So in the
final analysis, it doesn't really matter anyway.

- --
Best Regards,

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 20:07:19 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: 1999 Ford Suburban

> From: Jimmy Quinn
> Subject: 1999 Ford "Suburban"
>
> I have heard several references from friends that Ford will be
> releasing =
> a "Suburban"-like vehicle, though larger, in 1999. One person told me
> =
> that they had heard it would be based on the 350 Crewcab 4x4
> frameworks. =
> Several people have said they saw mention of it in periodicals, but of
> =
> course no one remembers exactly where. Does anyone have any knowledge
> of =
> such a truck? Know of any articles about it? Pictures? Specifications?
>
> Jimmy Quinn

Just received my January "Trailer Life", and page 27 has a photo of what
they call Ford's "Monster SUV".
The blurb says the engine choices will be the 5.4L V-8, the 6.8L V-10,
and the 7.8L PowerStroke.
They also say to expect a price in the $40K range. (Ouch!)

Bill

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:14:00 -0500
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.

I dont agree with Bob. I have a 93 Ranger XLT with a 3.0 and 4 speed auto
and BFgoodrich LT tires. I have a long bed with a high rise fiberglass cap.
I have been adding 100lb since I bought it in 93. The truck now has 90K
miles and I have no problems with it.

So you know what I use, I bought 2 50LB bags of kitty litter. I put a 2X4
behind the wheel wells and I put the bags between the 2X4 and the tail gate.
The truck has been though many heavy snow storms without any problems.
- -----Original Message-----
From: bthomas Kollsman.com
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net ;
RandalDGazdecki eaton.com
Date: Friday, December 19, 1997 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.


>
>
>Put what ever weight your head can tolerate when it (the weight) comes
>ripping through the back of the cab after you have hit something or nailed
>the brakes to avoid hitting something.
>
>Don't do this. Manufactures don't design for these unscheduled loads.
>
>Sorry, but you asked for it!
>
>Happy headache,
>Bob Ford
>
>
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>Subject: Recommended Weight for Snow Traction.
>Author: RandalDGazdecki eaton.com at KOLLSMAN
>Date: 12/19/97 6:43 PM
>
>
>
>
>I have a 91 Ranger, 2wd, 5speed, 3.0L V6 and I want to know how
>much weight I should put in the back for optimum snow traction
>and minimal loss of power and mileage? I have brand new Dunlop
>Radial Rover All-terrain tires on it (LT27x8.50R14). Anybody
>have experience with testing to see how much weight is needed?
>I don't have a limited slip diff, just the stock 3.45 axle
>ratio.
>Randy G
>K.O.T.C.C.
>randaldgazdecki eaton.com
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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:18:24 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Re: 300 I 6

Hey everyone:

My 300 Six knocks too. It knocks during idle and aceleration. I have had 4 of the 300 six engines between the years '81-'85 and
all of them have knocked. I have been told that the following causes that: Collapsed lifters, piston slap, rod knocks, loose
main bearings, Spark knock, and a few others. I have tried running 89 and even 93 octane gas out of these too, and I did noticed
that the engines did better with acelerations and fuel economy, but that did nothing to stop the knocking. I called the dealer
and got factory timing specs, but setting timing did not help either. I noticed that when you run these engines during the cold
winters we have here in MI, They knock a bit more than they do in warm weather. I have worked the hell out of these engines and
have not killed one yet. I had one that had over 198K on it and she still ran decent, very little oil pressure but still kept
going. I would not worry about the knocking on these engines unless it turns into a loud thumping like a spun bearing. These
are good engines and will take just about anything.

Chris "Lube" Lublin
300-6 devotee,
1981 F-150---
1982 E-100------
1984 F-150-------
1985 F-150---------All with the 300 Six.....

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:20:23 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Re: metric system

If you want metrics by a Chevy or GMC!

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:29:00 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Frame size differences between F150 and F350

I know for sure that F-150 and F-350 have different frames. F-150s and F-250s have have the same frame to my knowledge but
different axles.

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 22:24:35 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Re: Ford "Suburban"

What are the available engine/trans options or rear axle ratios for this beast?....


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