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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, December 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 254



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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #252 [Jan Campbell ]
Re: Brakes ["Lare/Eric" ]
Re: CD changer [Dave Armbruster ]
Re: Tire Chains [Dave Armbruster ]
Re: Brakes [Midwest96 ]
Re: CD changer ["R.L.H.O." ]
Re: CD changer ["R.L.H.O." ]
ADMIN: the working mat [Ken Payne ]
Re: Automotive Propane Availability [Nathan Heid ]
Parting out: 82 E-100 Van. ["The Lublin Family" ]
Ranger woes. ["The Lublin Family" ]
85 F-150 Lighting troubles. ["The Lublin Family" ]
Re: CD changer [Primusdrmr ]
Re: Gasoline Prices ["freitag" ]
Re: CD Changer [Bob ]

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 07:00:57 -0500
From: Jan Campbell
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #252

I would like to unenscribe to this digest. Thank you.

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:57:04 -0500
From: "Lare/Eric"
Subject: Re: Brakes

I had a similar brake problem w/ my '94 Splash (when it had 30,000 miles on
it) and was given the same explanation.

Turns out, both drums were over 20 thousandths out of round and right at
the limit for max. dia.; I replaced both drums, all hardware (except for
the wheel cylinders), and put aftermarket pads on (performance friction
maybe - can't really recall) - 59,000 miles now on truck w/ not even the
hint of similar symptoms.

Eric S.

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> From: Midwest96
> To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
> Subject: Brakes
> Date: Thursday, December 04, 1997 6:23 PM
>
> I have a question about anti-lock (reaer only):
>
> On mine ('96F150 Short) and my friend's (''94 Ranger) we have rear anti
> lock. We both have our brakes "lock up" intermittenly in damp weather.
I
> took mine back in and complained about this, and the fact that they
squeal
> (quite loudly) when it's hot and/or humid. The dealer told me there was
> nothing that could be done, becasue they were semi-metallic. The squeal
I can
> live with, the lock-up I don't want to. When they are wet, I can apply
the
> brakes and at first they slip. Then they will grab, and grab hard enough
to
> lock up the wheels. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
>
> Craig (Midwest96 aol.com)
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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:13:35 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: CD changer

>I'd like to buy a Ford CD changer for my 97 Ranger XLT Std. Cab.
>Is it the original Ford CD changer the only one compatible with the
>Stereo/Cassete player that comes with the
>car ? I wouldn't want to lose its CD functions !
>
>Any help? Any idea about prices or/and where to find it?
>
>Thanks all.
>
>Rodrigo Heitzmann

I have looked into this for mine as well ('97 XLT with the cassette/CD
changer controls). From what I gather, the CD player will plug into the
radio using a DIN plug and power connections to 12 VDC. I asked a dealer
about getting this. He told me that Ford doesn't make the radios (I
figured that) and they have to buy them through a shop, just like any other
consumer.

I bought the truck in St. Louis, so the local distributer there was a place
called Lewis Radio (314-962-9600). I called them, the radio is made by
Pioneer and changer by Clarion. The 6 disc changer was $400 big ones (I
think there is a 12 disc, too). If it makes it any easier, it will hook up
straight to the radio and it even has the Ford oval on it.

I didn't buy it, since the same changer is about $250 from Best Buy. The
difference seems to be in how the pins are assigned on the cable from the
radio to the changer, which could probably be rigged using the pin-out
diagrams in the service manuals. I think, though, the easiest way is use
one of those FM modulators and save the $150, even if the CD functions are
lost.

Dave

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 09:18:45 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: Tire Chains

>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:34:24 -0700
>From: "Ryan Penner"
>Subject: Re: Tire Chains
>
>>Dave
>>Denver, CO - where you, too, can use your chains in October
>
>
>
>Right after the "blizzard of '97" when the snow had mostly melted off the
>main streets, I saw and heard the worst thing I have ever heard. I saw a
>van with chains on driving on a paved road! Tell me that is not good for
>either the road or your tires!
>
>Ryan
>Littleton, CO

Might not be all that hard on tires (not good for them though), but bad for
the roads for sure. Probably illegal, too.

Dave

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 12:10:43 EST
From: Midwest96
Subject: Re: Brakes

In a message dated 97-12-06 11:04:42 EST, you write:


the limit for max. dia.; I replaced both drums, all hardware (except for
the wheel cylinders), and put aftermarket pads on (performance friction
maybe - can't really recall) - 59,000 miles now on truck w/ not even the
hint of similar symptoms.

Eric S. >>

Eric,

Thanks for the info, but I'm really really new at this, could you expand a
little bit. How would I go about changing hardware, what do I buy how much.
My truck is 30,400 so I would guess same problem. Again, thanks

Craig (Midwest96 aol.com)

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 03:41:27 -0200
From: "R.L.H.O."
Subject: Re: CD changer

Thanks a lot Dave. I did appreciate your info. Straight answers to my
questions.

Thank you.

Rodrigo

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> From: Dave Armbruster
> To: '80 and Up mailing list
> Subject: Re: CD changer
> Date: Sábado, Dezembro 06, 1997 02:13
>
>
> >I'd like to buy a Ford CD changer for my 97 Ranger XLT Std. Cab.
> >Is it the original Ford CD changer the only one compatible with the
> >Stereo/Cassete player that comes with the
> >car ? I wouldn't want to lose its CD functions !
> >
> >Any help? Any idea about prices or/and where to find it?
> >
> >Thanks all.
> >
> >Rodrigo Heitzmann
>
> I have looked into this for mine as well ('97 XLT with the cassette/CD
> changer controls). From what I gather, the CD player will plug into the
> radio using a DIN plug and power connections to 12 VDC. I asked a dealer
> about getting this. He told me that Ford doesn't make the radios (I
> figured that) and they have to buy them through a shop, just like any
other
> consumer.
>
> I bought the truck in St. Louis, so the local distributer there was a
place
> called Lewis Radio (314-962-9600). I called them, the radio is made by
> Pioneer and changer by Clarion. The 6 disc changer was $400 big ones (I
> think there is a 12 disc, too). If it makes it any easier, it will hook
up
> straight to the radio and it even has the Ford oval on it.
>
> I didn't buy it, since the same changer is about $250 from Best Buy. The
> difference seems to be in how the pins are assigned on the cable from the
> radio to the changer, which could probably be rigged using the pin-out
> diagrams in the service manuals. I think, though, the easiest way is use
> one of those FM modulators and save the $150, even if the CD functions
are
> lost.
>
> Dave
>
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 03:45:15 -0200
From: "R.L.H.O."
Subject: Re: CD changer

Do you know whether the cables needed comes with the changer package or
not?

Thanks again,

Rodrigo

- ----------
> From: Dave Armbruster
> To: '80 and Up mailing list
> Subject: Re: CD changer
> Date: Sábado, Dezembro 06, 1997 02:13
>
>
> >I'd like to buy a Ford CD changer for my 97 Ranger XLT Std. Cab.
> >Is it the original Ford CD changer the only one compatible with the
> >Stereo/Cassete player that comes with the
> >car ? I wouldn't want to lose its CD functions !
> >
> >Any help? Any idea about prices or/and where to find it?
> >
> >Thanks all.
> >
> >Rodrigo Heitzmann
>
> I have looked into this for mine as well ('97 XLT with the cassette/CD
> changer controls). From what I gather, the CD player will plug into the
> radio using a DIN plug and power connections to 12 VDC. I asked a dealer
> about getting this. He told me that Ford doesn't make the radios (I
> figured that) and they have to buy them through a shop, just like any
other
> consumer.
>
> I bought the truck in St. Louis, so the local distributer there was a
place
> called Lewis Radio (314-962-9600). I called them, the radio is made by
> Pioneer and changer by Clarion. The 6 disc changer was $400 big ones (I
> think there is a 12 disc, too). If it makes it any easier, it will hook
up
> straight to the radio and it even has the Ford oval on it.
>
> I didn't buy it, since the same changer is about $250 from Best Buy. The
> difference seems to be in how the pins are assigned on the cable from the
> radio to the changer, which could probably be rigged using the pin-out
> diagrams in the service manuals. I think, though, the easiest way is use
> one of those FM modulators and save the $150, even if the CD functions
are
> lost.
>
> Dave
>
>
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
> | List removal instructions on the website. |
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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 12:43:33 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: the working mat

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We would like to have them know that you heard about them via
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CoAdmin,
Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 12:59:00 -0500
From: Nathan Heid
Subject: Re: Automotive Propane Availability

At 10:10 PM 12/5/97 -0800, Ted Ladd wrote:
>Have need of information on the availability of automotive propane through
out the
>U.S. In western canada its readily available at a substantial numbers of
service
>stations and am interested in knowing if I switched to propane exclusively
on my
>88 F350 that the fuel would be available across the U.S. Am considering a
trip
>with our 5th wheel and the economics of propane versus gas in Canada make
it a
>very interesting alternative fuel for the 460 in my pride and joy. Would also
>appreciate any comments on experiences of the group in the use of propane
as a
>fuel in general. I have had comments suggesting a loss in power but been
unable to
>get specifics. Any info would be appreciated. Ted Ladd.

It depends on how hard you're willing to look. I don't know of any
filling stations that sell propane, except fore the exchange tanks for BBQ
grills. There's a station here in Cleveland that sells compressed natural
gas though. Maybe propane for automobile is more common in the west.
However there are alternatives. Since Propane is widely used for
residetial heating outside the cities, there are lots of propane retailers
around. I know of one family run business which sells propane to farmers
for grain drying. All of the family's vehicles have been converted to run
on propane.

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:53:04 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Parting out: 82 E-100 Van.

Hi All.

Tomorrow I plan on hauling my '82 Van home. I plan to part it out. It
has a running 300 Six and a 3 speed trans. If anybody is interested in
any parts let me know.

Chris "Lube" Lublin
lublin tir.com

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 15:57:17 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: Ranger woes.

Hi all.

Well Mom's Ranger is up to it again. It is making a clunking noise coming
from the back of the truck. I thought it was a U-joint going bad, but I
tested them and they have no play in them. Any suggestions on where it
Could be coming from?

THanks a bunch.

Chris "Lube" Lublin

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:04:45 -0500
From: "The Lublin Family"
Subject: 85 F-150 Lighting troubles.

Hi all.

I have a 85 F-150 I bought a few months ago. I originally bought it for a
parts truck for my 81 F-150. Well it turns out the '85 is in better
shape than the 81 so I got it running and she runs pretty good. I hope to
drive this truck soon. I am in the process of getting the bugs worked
out. There is one hurdle that I am stuck on. For lighting all that I
have are the emergency flashers and a right turn signal. I also have dash
lights when I turn on my head lamps. That is all I have for lights. The
heater blower motor and radio dont work either. Does anybody have any
ideas on what I should check for? Thanks a ton.

Chris "Lube" Lublin.

lublin tir.com

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 16:42:32 EST
From: Primusdrmr
Subject: Re: CD changer

In a message dated 97-12-06 14:15:52 EST, you write:


Date: 97-12-06 14:15:52 EST
From: darmbruster milehigh.net (Dave Armbruster)
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>I'd like to buy a Ford CD changer for my 97 Ranger XLT Std. Cab.
>Is it the original Ford CD changer the only one compatible with the
>Stereo/Cassete player that comes with the
>car ? I wouldn't want to lose its CD functions !
>
>Any help? Any idea about prices or/and where to find it?
>
>Thanks all.
>
>Rodrigo Heitzmann

I have looked into this for mine as well ('97 XLT with the cassette/CD
changer controls). From what I gather, the CD player will plug into the
radio using a DIN plug and power connections to 12 VDC. I asked a dealer
about getting this. He told me that Ford doesn't make the radios (I
figured that) and they have to buy them through a shop, just like any other
consumer.

I bought the truck in St. Louis, so the local distributer there was a place
called Lewis Radio (314-962-9600). I called them, the radio is made by
Pioneer and changer by Clarion. The 6 disc changer was $400 big ones (I
think there is a 12 disc, too). If it makes it any easier, it will hook up
straight to the radio and it even has the Ford oval on it.

I didn't buy it, since the same changer is about $250 from Best Buy. The
difference seems to be in how the pins are assigned on the cable from the
radio to the changer, which could probably be rigged using the pin-out
diagrams in the service manuals. I think, though, the easiest way is use
one of those FM modulators and save the $150, even if the CD functions are
lost.

Dave

>>
You can use any changer with any radio as long as you have an RF unit (I am an
installer) BUT you do lose a little quality if u go with the RF unit, but not
much.

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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:15:23 +0100
From: "freitag"
Subject: Re: Gasoline Prices

You are so lucky in the States. Here in Germany you are paying for 1 litre
of gasoline about $0.91. Thats for a gallon appr. $3.64. So don't speak
about curiosity

Michael
Germany
- ----------
> Von: Casey Vandor
> An: Ford Truck List
> Betreff: Gasoline Prices
> Datum: Sonntag, 30. November 1997 23:29
>
> Just curious here, what do some of you pay for regular gasoline/gallon.
Up
> here right now it is $1.649/gal.
> Casey
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 01:40:11 -0900
From: Bob
Subject: Re: CD Changer....


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