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In this issue:

Re: Driving lights [YEAGS15962 ]
Will my truck start the morning after y2k? 1/2 [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabi]
Will my truck start the morning after y2k? 2/2 [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabi]
Best in snow [Cactus Jack ]
ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions [Ken Payne ]
Re: Gas prices. ["Douglas Aldridge" ]
Re: Chevron Gasoline [Paul Laughlin ]
Re: Driving lights [Midwest96 aol.com]
Ranger Supercab Noise Problem [ANTHONY RIFICI ]
Re: fm modulater cd players????? [Filip M Gieszczykiewicz
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #247 [Randy ]
Re: Chevron Gasoline [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: Chevron Gasoline [Thundercraft ]
Re: 2.3 problem [HELOJMPR ]

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:05:11 EST
From: YEAGS15962
Subject: Re: Driving lights

check out downs ford for an airdam with foglights. Its the same as the stx
airdam foglight combo. www.downsford.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:26:36 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Will my truck start the morning after y2k? 1/2

I sent this earlier, but the list must have rejected the size, so here it is
in two parts.
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This came, without an URL, to another list I'm on.

What year did Ford start using chips? Is my truck going up in value?

Zeb
88 F250 x-cab 4WD with an 88 7.3 from a Calif F350

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Gary North's Y2K Links and Forums=20

Summary and Comments

(feel free to mail this page)=20

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Category:=A0

Noncompliant_Chips

Date:=A0

1997-12-01 12:05:34

Subject:=A0

Diesel Locomotives and Cars: Forced Maintenance Chips

Comment:=A0



This lengthy interview is very thought-provoking. The man interviewed is a
data specialist with the state of Iowa's Department of Transportation.=20

I regard some of this information as unconfirmed. I do think it would=
behoove
us to do what we can to seek further evidence, pro or con, regarding his
statements.=20

I have posted elsewhere in this category a state of Texas posting that an
estimated one-quarter of all post-1984 fire engines will not start on Jan.=
1,
2000. The forced maintenance chips are the problem.=20

* * * * * * * *=20

THE YEAR 2000 AND EMBEDDED CHIPS=20

Interview with Paul French, Tuesday, November 4, 1997 by Paul Dorr, director
of Rescue The Perishing, P.O. Box 115, Ocheyedan, IA 51354. eMail
RTP juno.com=20

Paul French=20

Executive Officer, Data Services Division, Iowa Department of=
Transportation,
Ames, Iowa (Accounting Degree from Univ. of Iowa, Minor in Data Processing
and is the past Director of Data Processing for another division of the=
State
of Iowa.=20

Q. Mr. French, my name is Paul Dorr and I'm director of Rescue The=
Perishing.
RTP is a public interest group located in Ocheyedan. I write a newsletter
that goes to our constituents covering moral issues, social and sometimes
economic issues. The last six months I've been spending sometime looking=
into
this Y2k...(laughter by French)...mess. I was wondering if I could have a
brief interview with you and what you might know about it?=20

A. I have no problem with that but I am curious, how did you get my name?=20

Q. I learned of you through the state of Iowa's Information Technology
Services (ITS) newsletter and have been reading some of your comments in
there, on the Year 2000 computer problem.=20

A. Most of the Y2k stuff that you'll see in the ITS Newsletter ends up=
coming
from me. My assignment is to coordinate the DOT's handling of the Y2k
problem.=20

Q. It seems as if the mainframe problem is serious enough, but this embedded
chip problem seems to seriously compound it.=20

A. Very much so. For example. If you are sitting in an office some place
right now, it will have a fire alarm in it, perhaps it has a light system in
it that might be set on timers, it might have an automated heating and air
conditioning system and all of those have embedded chips in them and most of
those won't work. As a matter of fact one major heating and air conditioning
company that has their systems in literally millions of buildings, including
a lot of government buildings, have yet to build a system that will work.
Although they won't tell you that until you get to the absolute top [of the
company]. Then you have vehicles...Quite honestly GM's top people have said
that cars won't start, come Y2k.=20

Q. Who did you hear that from?=20

A. I heard that from the GM people themselves. We have a group here in
central Iowa, limited to twenty major employers, and these twenty have been
meeting on a monthly basis for many months now. We pool our thoughts and
problems, ideas...and information that we've gathered together with=
companies
like Farm Bureau, IMT Insurance, Principal Insurance, City of Des Moines,
Polk County, State of Iowa, Pioneer Hi-Bred and so on (we have maybe 250,000
employees among ourselves). We've agreed that on most things we won't hurt
ourselves by leaving the room and saying `hey we heard from company
XYZ....such and such information.' The only thing I can say is that that
information (on GM's cars not starting) came out of that user group meeting.=
=20

It's also been confirmed. I spoke at a conference. There were 1,300 people=
at
the conference. I finished speaking and several people came up to me
afterwards, like a representative from the rail industry saying there are
chips that will stop the diesels (in train engines) on 12/31/1999. It just
stops it. The chip is designed to stop a motor when a certain parameter has
been exceeded in time and service. The chips designed for the diesel think
that at the end of 12/31/99 that it's been almost a hundred years since the
diesel's been serviced and it shuts it off. You have these in train engines,
trucks, tugboats, and so on. It's all so perfectly sound and logical, yet
never having given a thought to the fact that there is a two digit space
being used on those chips and when those two digits go from 99 to
00...what'll happen?=20

Q. What can one do with embedded chips?=20

A. As a practical matter, unless you are yourself an embedded chip engineer
or have access to alot of money or to engineers, what can you do? You have=
to
make a list of things that might cause a problem - we've done that at the=
DOT
and we have about 12,000 items just ourselves - then you go to the
manufacturers of those and use whatever clout, negotiating, whatever else=
you
can do, to try to get the manufacturer to at least tell you that they will
work on 1/1/2000. Have them put it in writing so you can walk away knowing
that the fire alarm system in this building will work and I have a letter in
my file from the company that made it that says they will.=20

Q. I am hearing that the large majority of those who send out such letters=
to
manufacturers are receiving little to nothing for responses.=20

A. Our central Iowa users group sent out about 300 and got about 40=
responses
back.=20

Q. Out of those 40 letters, were they very substantive responses?=20

A. No! So we started making phone calls. And over the phone some major
companies would say to you, "we'll tell you this over the phone, but we=
won't
put it in writing." Others say, "Our legal counsel says we are not to talk
about this."=20

Yet, one of the members of our users group, a major company is just about
finished. They have in fact received close enough to a 100% response on
embedded chips that they are comfortable with it.=20

Q. How are they getting responses where others won't?=20

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:26:41 -0700 (MST)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Will my truck start the morning after y2k? 2/2

Q. How are they getting responses where others won't?=20

A. The clout of having 40,000 employees and all the money and size that that
brought. Meaning, "Either you make it compliant or tell us in writing that=
it
is compliant or we are no longer buying from you. And if it is not compliant
at this moment, put it in writing when it will be.=20

Q. The Institute of Electrical Engineers of England says that the industry
manufactured 7 billion embedded chips in 1996, that an unknown percent of
them are doing date-sensitive tasks, (they are estimating 5-15%), but no one
knows where they are for sure, so you have to inventory them all.=20

A. That's it exactly. A good example is washing machines. Who would have
thought washing machines would have a problem? Some of them are automated
enough now that they are touch pad sensitive to the heat off of your finger.
They are very definitely time challenged (different minutes for different
wash cycles). Which of those are going to work and which of those aren't.=
The
manufacturers=92 themselves don't know.=20

Q. As Iowans we need those DOT trucks out there moving snow. Are your trucks
going to be sensitive? Do they have the same diesel motors you are talking
about?=20

A. Unfortunately, we used to think we were behind times because we would=
look
at the age of our inventory, a lot of our trucks are 8, 10, 12 years old.=20

Q. (Laughter) So now you are ahead of the curve!=20

A. Now all of a sudden that is one of the better things that happened to us.
(Laughter) Who would have thought? ...typical Iowa conservativeness, you try
to get that extra year or two out of that big orange truck, all of a sudden
you realize it's a stick shift, it doesn't have any automation on the thing
at all and that it's going to get by as long as you don't replace it with a
new automated one. Q. And you are saying that out of your user group came
high level information that GM is=85.=20

A. ...when I spoke on the embedded chips at the Year 2000 conference in San
Francisco - and as I said there were 1,300 people at that conference - after
the meeting several came up to me and identified themselves as
representatives of the companies in the Big 3 (auto manufacturers). One of
them asked, "What company were you talking about?" I responded that, "I=
can't
really say, I don't want to be sued, but my middle initial begins with a G."
Two of them chuckled and said, "We are from Ford, and we have the same
problem."=20

Q. Do you know what sort of date-sensitive tasks are in these newer cars?=20

A. GM engineer told me we should liken it to a Christmas tree, configured in
the way when you unscrew one bulb the entire string of lights goes out. They
have chips in them checking service time, chips logging service time so that
you can take it into the dealer he can plug in the system and tell you that=
3
months and 2 days and 6 hours back, this particular piece failed and a
secondary circuit had to be opened in order to let it=85etc. etc. So the=
time
segment of a chip is being challenged several different ways in cars. And he
told me that 'the average car has over 100 chips in it.=92 And I've read=
where
one automotive engineer said that unless he had worked on that particular
model, he would not be able to find where all the chips are located on a=
car.


Q. What kind of response are you receiving from the (ITS) newsletter or from
your own colleagues? Outside of your central Iowa users group, are people
taking you seriously? Is there a lot of denial?=20

A. Yes I think there is and also an of attitude of `oh gosh if it is that=
big
of a problem, they'll take care of it.' And they say `certainly they'll take
care of it at their cost.' Let's be realistic now! When even Sony - who is
this year's spokesman for the Japanese Industry Council (which by the way
also includes the Japanese government) - says that they are behind the curve
and they may not make it by the Year 2000. Meaning, if you buy a Sony TV in
1999 and it has all of the wizbang chips, 6-12 months later it might not
work.=20

Q. So what do we do, take it back to Sony, sue all these companies, what are
the ramifications here?=20

A. That is only limited by your imagination. You now have colleges that have
law classes that have started to deal with just this issue. We had a big
computer firm that came in here (DOT) and they offered us a two and three
year warranty. We asked them, "Does that mean that if we buy this computer
and it is not Year 2000 compliant that it will be made compliant under the
warranty?" They left saying they were going to be talking to their legal
counsel and that their warranty would state that it does NOT cover Year=
2000.


Q. Do you have suggestions for my readers, what should they do?=20

A. The only approach I know of is what I am doing here at the Dept. of
Transportation; first the most logical, is that you'd had better become=
aware
that this is a serious situation and not to have your head in the proverbial
sand and not expect the company, out of the magnanimous generosity of their
coffers is going to, Number 1 - find a solution and Number 2 - pay to fix=
the
solution. That's not going to happen! And second, you'd better make a list=
of
the stuff you have to deal with and especially the critical things like
heating and air conditioning. I have one of the largest heating and air
conditioning control systems in my home and we've (State of Iowa) got it in
tons of buildings. This company may tell you that their equipment is
compliant but...it is not! Then look around and see what else might have the
same problems. You might have a car, a pickup, a heating and air=
conditioning
system, a computer, a home alarm system, a fire alarm system...what all do
you have? The DOT is looking at traffic signals, automated generators,
airport control systems and on and on. Once you've figured out what you've
got, the only thing you can do is go to the manufacturer. How? Write, call,
contact, harass.=20

Q. If everyone in the world starts to do that at the same time the
manufacturers are going to be overwhelmed.=20

A. Wonderful, but at least they'll do something. I've talked to the Maytag
engineers. Maytag says they have stopped making the automated ones and all=
of
theirs now has the internal technology of the 1950's (ie. springs) - they
look pretty on the outside but there is no automation on the inside to fail.
I pursued Whirlpool...several of their models may have chips that will fail.=
=20

Q. Are you storing up any food or drilling an extra water well for you and
your family? Like you say it's only limited to your imagination. Some of the
consequences here could be...we don't know!=20

A. That's right! It may seem foolish now. I've read where some have said,
`have people even considered the water?' Water is pumped and the pumps are
generally run on systems that have embedded chips in them.=20

Q. I have written a letter to Governor Branstad and said to him that the Y2k
program leaders that I have read are crying out for political and business
leaders to stand up and say `this is a major problem that needs to be
conquered and to then lead the people in their own organizations. And they
should let the people know that this thing is real and do it before it's too
late and we are all out of options.=20

A. Yet in many respects the state is computer user no more than Pioneer
Company or anyone else. It's nothing the State can fix, they have to shake
the tree like any user.=20

Q. I read where Citicorp has come out and said they are falling behind on
their Y2k compliance and that one area they are alarmed with is their
telecommunications vendors are not telling them whether the chips on their
telephone switching equipment are compliant or not. They said what they are
seeing is that the vendors are playing chicken and that no one wants to
expose their vulnerabilities to their competitors and to the marketplace and
so they are all standing back and waiting for their competition to
acknowledge before they do and thus very little is getting done, or very
little substantive and Citicorp is concerned that their phone systems won't
work. If banks don't have phone service, banks go down.=20

A. And from what our engineering folks have looked at things like
(telecommunication) routers may not work.=20

Q. I was hoping that what I've been reading has been exaggerated, but you
really are confirming most everything that is being said out there.=20

A. That's where we are at. My specific concern is trying to make sure that
the DOT is as ready as we ever can be, but we are only going to be as ready
as the companies making the things for us are.=20

Q. One of the issues being raised is if our ability to produce the seeds=
that
farmers need to plant to produce their crops is impaired, and we have very
little open-pollinated seed anymore (it's all hybrid seeds that require the
farmer to go back to the producer each year), and if the hybrids aren=92t
there, we can't plant crops and then the food chain may be disrupted. Can=
you
say if Pioneer Hi-bred is on top of this, from what you are hearing?=20

A. As a practical matter, their awareness level is at the point where they
asked for, and I gave them all the materials that I've used to take an
inventory. And they are at the point of starting to look at what items that
they have that are subject to embedded chips and are proceeding down the=
same
path that I am proceeding. I am at the point of contacting the companies=
that
make the stuff. Pioneer is at the point of beginning to count. They've=
passed
the threshold of awareness and they are starting to look at it.=20

Q. I appreciate your time to visit with me about this today.=20




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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 22:07:37 -0500
From: Cactus Jack
Subject: Best in snow

Anyone have any ideas what would be the best bet for snow?

A fwd sedan with OEM tires in excellent shape but with 15k miles on them, or
a 1987 Ranger 2wd with 200 to 300 ilbs of kitty litter in the bed and new,
good quality snow tires?

My cousin tells me the sedan becasue it's fwd. Our fleet manager at work
sez the truck because the weight in the bed and the snow tires will give it
equal traction to the fwd and the extra ground clearance would be the
deciding factor.

Any help would be appreciated. I don't want to buy tires if they won't do
me any good.

Thanks, R.P.
" You may contemplate this, on the Tree of Woe"

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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 23:16:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Web site & User Submissions

1. Voting on the site works great.
2. The survey script has proven to be so buggy once under load that
it is unusable. It will be replaced by the end of the week.
3. The chat script works, but bugs have also turned up. A friend
at work has written a Perl script that is supposed to work
really well. It should be on line by Saturday.
4. I'm still working on a search engine for the archives.

Also, I'm putting together a 67-79 disc brake upgrade FAQ. If
you would like to contribute an article about anything you've done
or any area of expertise you have, please let me know. We have a
volunteer to help edit any submissions and I'll take the edited
submission and format it for the web site. Original author will
retain the copyright, not us.

The submission can be about simple or complex items, any year and
model. The idea is to give the site some robust content.

Ken
Admin

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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 05:22:39 -0500
From: "Douglas Aldridge"
Subject: Re: Gas prices.

I might have missed it, but I don't recall seeing Mass in the gas prices run
down (which I'm finding most interesting, BTW.) Right now we're at a low of
around $1.10 at the bargain place down the street, with $1.15 being average
for the local pumps. Of course, if you gas up at Mobil in the 'burbs it'll
cost you $1.25 or $1.30. And that would be cheap in CT!

Douglas.

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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 05:25:50 -0800
From: Paul Laughlin
Subject: Re: Chevron Gasoline

Thundercraft wrote:

> Absolutlely correct. Chevron does not market fuel in Michigan. The
> fuel is trucked from Kentucky.
>
And they probably do it at cost or even less than cost, so that
they can advertise that they provide the fuel for testing.
Paul in Portland OR

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:31:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Driving lights

In a message dated 97-12-01 20:43:14 EST, you write:


curious if it could be added?

see ya,
Brett
'96 supercab 4x4 4.0 >>

Did you mean factory or after-market? Both could be with no problems that
I'm aware of, however, after seeing the discussions about Ford factory parts,
I'd guess that you'd be better off financially with after markets. I'd also
recomend either PIAA or Hella (which I believe are Ford standard on Ranger
package), for fog/driving, because I beat my KC's to death after about 4
months.

Craig (Midwest96 aol.com)

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:57:09 -0500
From: ANTHONY RIFICI
Subject: Ranger Supercab Noise Problem

I own a 1994 Ranger Supercab that has developed a rather obnoxious =
squeak from the super cab portion of the truck. The squeak occurs when =
I hit a bump or turn corners or any other action that causes the cab to =
sustain a torsional load. I have pretty much isolated the squeak to be =
coming from the sliding rear window. It seems as though the window =
frame is rubbing up against the cab body and causing the squeak. I was =
just about ready to have the window removed and re-installed when I put =
300 lbs. of gravel in the bed to prepare for winter. The extra weight =
has completely cured the squeak. This revelation is making me =
re-evaluate where the squeak was coming from. I am no longer 100% sure =
that it is the window. However it is also possible that the weight =
allow my rear suspension to move more, thus reducing the torsional load =
on the cab enough to cause the window not to squeak. =20
As you can see this has been really bothering me. Several local Ford =
dealers have told me that they have never heard of this problem in a =
Ranger. Glass dealers tell me that this is a problem in S10s, but not in =
Rangers (S10 rear window assemblies are completely different so the S10 =
fix may not work). Have you ever heard of this type of problem in a =
Ranger before? If so, what is causing the squeak and how do I fix it? =
I need to do this quickly as the weather is getting colder in Ohio and I =
don't know how many good days I will have left to try and fix it. =20
Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony Rifici

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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 23:44:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Filip M Gieszczykiewicz
Subject: Re: fm modulater cd players?????

You (Brett Gudgel) wrote:
> Does anyone on the list have one of these, and if so do you know where
> to plug in the antenna cable. I know it doesnt go directly to the
> antenna or the radio direct, because those two go together to get fm
> reception. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I think there might be a box
> somwhere that it would plug into, but I'm not sure.

Greetings. Majority of the small ones you will see that look like an
oversized lighter plug really suck. They are based on a discrete-parts
oscillator and not only drift all over the dial but also have very
poor temperature->frequency stability. In other words: if you have a
digital radio, it will drift out of the preset and the stereo will go
to hell.

Best option is a Ramsey FM stereo transmitter kit. These are based on
a chip designed for this purpose. If you get the crystal-based one, the
frequency will be rock-solid. Unless you want to overpay, you'll need
to provide a case... these kits run ~$29 and need some soldering
(easy). The power output is enough so that ALL cars in a tunnel will
"tune in" to what you're listening... ie. the longer and higher the
antenna, the more "illegal" you are :-)

This is how the university "pirate" stations get on the air. I don't
know 'nuffin! :-)

You can get this kit from a number of kit/electronics places: JDR
Microdevices, part#EK-FMST100 $29.95... or #RK-FM10 $34.95
1-408-494-1400 (www.jdr.com) or Marlin P Jones, part#6598-RB $29.95
at 1-800-652-6733 (www.mpja.com)

Of course, if you've never soldered anything in your life... this is
probably not for you :-)

Take care.

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 01:48:43 -0800
From: Randy
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #247

*****
> Date: 1 Dec 1997 19:23:42 -0500
> From: "Irvine Bruce"
> Subject: Urgent questions
>
> I've got a few questions for the readership:
>
> 2. I remember reading in the digest about the fan clutch wars. I have the
> third option; a solid coupling with a fan with flexible blades (stock).
> (Don't have a fan cowling either.) Apparently the blades flatten with
> increased RPM. I was wondering what would happen if I removed this fan and
> coupling completely and installed an electric fan on the back or front of the
> radiator? The reason why I am worried about this is because the flex fan is
> really odd looking. It has 5 blades but they are spaced almost at random
> around the fan. I am thinking that this does something to balance the
> waterpump or something. The Helm manual doesn't mention this type of fan at
> all. The closest thing they show is a 4 bladed fan with a solid coupling just
> like mine. The four bladed fan spaces its blades each 90 degrees apart. The
> truck appears to cool just fine, so maybe I just ought to leave it alone, but
> I am curious about how an electric fan would affect performance/MPG.

Irvin, an assymetrical flex-fan is pretty common with mfgs. Ever look
at the fan blades on an alternator? They're not uniform either. I
personally don't know the reason, maybe to change the flow speed of air
to make it cool better? I would also install a fan cowling. It doesn't
seem like alot, but w/out the cowling it is very hard for a water-pump
mounted fan to pull the air thru the radiator w/any effeciency at all.
Do you do alot of slow speed driving or heavy hauling/towing during hot
days? If so, an electric fan should be a consideration. The advantages
are that it pulls alot more air thru at idle and low speeds, relieves
engine of the power robbing pump mounted fan, and you won't have to get
the cowl after all. But my two cents for now would have to be "if it
ain't broke...." you know the rest. Take care, Randy


>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:15:36 -0500
> From: "michael walsh"
> Subject: 1989 F-450(super duty)
>
> I have a 1989 F-super duty with a 460 ci gas engine. The puppy has been
> burning oil since I drove off the lot. At first it was 1 Quart every
> 800-900 miles and it's continued to get worse. Currently, I have 70,000
> miles on it and it sucks a quart every 100 miles.I've had the compression
> checked and it's fine, power seems fine.The local dealerships all recomend
> replacing motor with a new longblock. Could the problem be in the top end.
> Do the 460's have a history of oil consumption.By the way the truck is just
> fine in every other aspect. Anyboby have any advice. Much appreciated.
>

Mike, that sure is alot of oil! It seems to me, you'd almost have to
see evidence of losing that much oil that fast. Does it smoke while
driving? Does it have blue smoke coming out the exhaust every morning
at start up? Do you have puddles in your driveway? Or do you have oil
streaks running down the underside of the truck? Do you smell burnt oil
at anytime while driving or being around the truck? When the dealership
did the compression check, did they inspect the plugs for oil? All
these things are important and can lead to different causes. For
instance, smoke in the morning could indicate bad valve seals (valves
are closed on compression check, so it wouldn't be detected). Any
valves the engine leaves open when shut off would then leak oil into the
cylinder only to be burned w/the fuel. Maybe it's a combination of
things. A gasket could be leaking when the oil pressure is peaked
during operation (a compression check would not have revealed this,
either). At that rate you'd put in (per 15,000 mile average driving
year [I don't care what the NADA book says avg is.]) about 150 qts. of
oil into that truck. At a cost of about $16/case (try for a volume
discount, hehe), that'd be about $200/year. I'm gonna guess that long
block costs about $3,500 uninstalled. You do the math. It may be
cheaper to try some other things first: valve cover gaskets, oil pan
gasket, or other places the motor may be leaking from. Hope I could
help, Randy

*****

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:30:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevron Gasoline

2 q's:

Chevron trucks fuel up here just for testing?
Why don't they market up here?

Tx,
Craig

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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 23:14:52 -0800
From: Thundercraft
Subject: Re: Chevron Gasoline

Midwest96 aol.com wrote:

> 2 q's:
>
> Chevron trucks fuel up here just for testing?

Nope. They only sell the gas. The auto makers truck it up
themselves....taken from Chevrons Web pages at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/techron/tech-unlead.html



> Why don't they market up here?

Good question. Mabe they have an interest in another oil company that
markets in that area.

As far as I know, they only market in one province (BC) in Canada. Why
aren't they in
oil rich Alberta?

>
>
> Tx,
> Craig
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:02:20 EST
From: HELOJMPR
Subject: Re: 2.3 problem

I know of your problem by heart. Trust me, if you buy one part to resolve
ignition problems on your Ranger, get a new TFI (Thick Film Integrated)
ignition module.
I would never recommend "shotgun" troubleshooting (replacing parts until you
guess the right one) as it is both expensive and time consuming, but both
myself and my neighbor have had identical problems which were solved by
replacing this part.
His is a '84 2.3 I-4, and mine was a '85 2.8 V-6. I went through 3 of these
modules in a five year period. Heat, or rather extreme temperature changes....


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