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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, November 25 1997 Volume 01 : Number 237



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In this issue:

Re:Gas Mileage [Bill Funk ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #231 brake caliper [lward email.mcc.edu]
Axles and gearing [Jason Pare ]
Re: Axles and gearing [Gardner ]
T-Case [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Gas Mileage ["Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOM]
Re: 3.0 Liter Ranger & Fuel Consumption [Thom Cheney
Re: 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 etc. [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Axles and gearing [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Ranger Oil Pressure problem [Primusdrmr aol.com]
Bed Liner Addition ["Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)" ]
RE: Stereo removal on Rangers [Brett Gudgel ]
BBK homepage [Luke Wells ]
Re: V-10 [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
RE:V10 AMBULANCE ["Jeff Wey" ]
Re: BBK homepage ["freitag" ]
Super Duty Axle Ratio ["jim schang" ]
RE: Stereo removal on Rangers [Bob Fiddes ]
Re: Super Duty Axle Ratio ["Joseph L. Casey" ]
Re: Anti-Lock Rear brakes ["Ryan Penner" ]
Question about '84 f-150 ["Voodoo Chile" ]
Question about '84 f-150 ["Voodoo Chile" ]
Re: Anti-Lock Rear brakes [Bob Fiddes ]
Address change [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:21:44 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re:Gas Mileage

> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: Re: Gas mileage
>
> At 01:49 PM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >John,
> >
> >The decrease in your gas mileage probably results from the increased
> drag
> >from your camper shell. The best gas mileage you will receive is
> without a
> >camper top and with your tailgate up. Tests were performed in the
> Lockheed
> >windtunnel in Atlanta to show that a trucks gets better gas mileage
> with the
> >tail gate up. "Believe it or not.
>
> Don't the Craftsman Truck boys run with tail gates and bed covers? I
> am
> sure they are going to try and run with the most efficient setup that
> can
> for gas mileage, since gas mileage can effect the out come of a race.

You can learn a lot watching TV...
When the Craftsman Truck series was in formation, there was a lot of
wind tunnel testing done to find the best way to build the trucks (the
trade-offs are many; fuel economy was a great concern, given the
one-pit-stop format, yet the trucks had to be recognizeable as pickups,
for example).
Testing showed that the bed cover and tailgate gave the best mileage
while keeping the tradidional truck profile. No cover with the tailgate
up was next, and no tailgate was worst. Using the cover won out, for
several reasons; not only did it still look like a pickup truck and give
the best mileage, but it also allowed the builders somewhere to put the
fuel tank. (If you've ever seen a Winston Cup car and a Craftsman truck
with their skins off, it's amazing how much alike they are!)
For those of us who don't have a sponsor and a full calendar of weekend
races, a shell that conforms to the cab'e size gets better mileage yet.
Sometimes, mileage is relative. My '91 F-250 XLT Lariat SuperCab 2wd
8800# GVW w/4.10:1.00 & 460 CID gets about 10 MPG around town, and about
13.5 MPG on the road. I did a cat-back 3" replacement exhaust, and that
raised the over the road mileage from 13 to 13.5. While that seems
small, we intend to keep the truck forever, or untill someone totals it,
whichever comes first; that .5 MPG will add up.

Bill Funk

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:41:33 -0500
From: lward email.mcc.edu
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #231 brake caliper

I have a 86 F350 and experienced this same problem. I replaced the guides
for the calipers. These are available from Auto Zone in my area. The kit
consists of 4 guides and 2 anti rattle springs for about $13. Mine were
easy to replace, just drive out old ones and tap in the replacement. Good
luck.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:46:36 -0500
From: Jason Pare
Subject: Axles and gearing

Thom Cheney wrote:
>
check the sticker on your door frame...it gives an axle code that you
can look up in your owners' manual (my '97 4X4 lists a code
#96....meaning 3.73 ratio). Not sure about the transfer case...I
think it is a generic Ford offering...anyone else know!?!?
>

My truck is a 96 Mazda B3000 4x4. The I couldn't find any information in
the manual regarding axles or gears or ratios, but the door tag lists an
axle code of 86. Could someone please help me out w/ some info?

Thanks

==================================
Jason Pare
jpare ziplink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ziplink.net/~jpare/

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:19:53 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Axles and gearing

Jason Pare wrote:
>
> Thom Cheney wrote:
> >
> check the sticker on your door frame...it gives an axle code that you
> can look up in your owners' manual (my '97 4X4 lists a code
> #96....meaning 3.73 ratio). Not sure about the transfer case...I
> think it is a generic Ford offering...anyone else know!?!?
> >
>
> My truck is a 96 Mazda B3000 4x4. The I couldn't find any information in
> the manual regarding axles or gears or ratios, but the door tag lists an
> axle code of 86. Could someone please help me out w/ some info?
>
> Thanks
>
> ==================================
> Jason Pare
> jpare ziplink.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ziplink.net/~jpare/
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86 is 3.73 and regular rear(not limited slip!)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:34
From: CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)
Subject: T-Case

I think the t-case is borg-warner. Mine is on my 93'. Dont know if that
is standard on all.

John Cassis
The Danger Ranger
93' STX 4x4/3.0/5-speed

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:24:25 EST
From: "Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOMENODE"
Subject: Gas Mileage

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Just to add my two-cents to the discussion, I have a '97 Ranger XLT 2.3L 114"WB
(with tail up!), P225/R15 tires (aluminum wheels) and I typically get between
20 - 24 mpg through a combination of town/highway driving. In town I usually
cruise along at 35-40mph, on the highway between 62-68mph.

The truck has 4,300 miles on it so far, one oil change and a lot of TLC :-)

RLS

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:31:57 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: 3.0 Liter Ranger & Fuel Consumption

Ryan Penner wrote:

> I currently own a '91 F-150 4x2 that I would like to get rid of in favor of
> a Ranger. Now if I want an extended cab XL A/C 4x4 is there going to be a
> big difference in go speed between the 3.0 and 4.0? I know about MPG and
> other stuff so don't bother with that. This is the truck I plan on buying
> within the next year or so, just because I do not like the big truck for in
> town. (I would love to have both a 4x2 2.3l ranger plus a F-350 PS but that
> will never happen:)) so I was looking at prices, and configerations and all
> that good jazz.


If you buy the 3.0, especially in the config. you mentioned, you will
be wanting some extra h.p. about a week after you bring it home. I
got the 4.0, S-cab, 4X4 2 months ago and I'm already shopping the
add-ons. This truck needs about 180 hp to be about right.


- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:31:33 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 etc.

Midwest96 aol.com wrote:
>
> I don't really understand this liter thing. Could someone please explain it
> to me?
> Thanx,
>


ummmm... worldwide accepted standard unit of measure. Have you bought
a bottle of soda lately? They all come in 2 liter bottles. No flame
intended here.... what type of explanation were you looking for?

- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:50:11 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Axles and gearing

Jason Pare wrote:

>
> My truck is a 96 Mazda B3000 4x4. The I couldn't find any information in
> the manual regarding axles or gears or ratios, but the door tag lists an
> axle code of 86. Could someone please help me out w/ some info?
>
> Thanks

Hey Jason... not sure if the Ford # works for you...but in my '97
manual, that code comes up as a 3.73 gear ratio.

Rotsa ruck,
- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:37:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Primusdrmr aol.com
Subject: Re: Ranger Oil Pressure problem

In a message dated 97-11-24 02:20:01 EST, you write:


Date: 97-11-24 02:20:01 EST
From: neh2 po.cwru.edu (Nathan Heid)
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At 07:58 PM 11/23/97 -0800, William Street wrote:
>Ok so after bragging about my 90 Ford Ranger treating me so well it
>appears that I may have a problem.
>
>2.3L 4cyl, ~160K miles
>
>I've noticed the last 2 or 3 days that when I start it the oil pressure
>gauge doesn't move for about 8-10 sec. and then quickly moves up to
>where it normally runs. Engine is noisier than usual during that time
>and quiets down when the pressure comes up. This is new - never
>noticed this happen before - fresh oil change and full.

How cold is it? What viscosity of oil was used for that oil change?
Maybe your oil is so viscous at start up that it's not really flowing
for those 8-10 seconds.
>Bill
>>
Have someone check yer oil pump too, Mine went out the same way, and that
caused me BIG problems

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:37:39 -0600
From: "Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)"
Subject: Bed Liner Addition

In looking into the bed liner issue, I found one thing that is used by
many around here. It is called a - cow mat - and it can be purchased
from Fleet Farm in the Twin Cities for around $40. I would imagine any
farm supply store would have them. It is made of a rubber material,
but much thicker and stiffer than a normal truck bed mat. It fits just
between the wheel wells and runs almost the length of the bed. No, it
doesn't cover the entire bed because of the wheel wells, but heck, if
you have already spent hundreds on a plastic or spray in liner, this is
a cheap alternative for prolonging the life of the bed liner or adding
some non-skid.



Judy Thill
Fire Operations Officer
Maple Grove Fire Department

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:15:08 -0800
From: Brett Gudgel
Subject: RE: Stereo removal on Rangers

I had a six disc changer in my 92 Ranger, and I pulled it out and now I
want to put it in my 96 Ranger. My problem is I barely got the wires
unplugged off my 92, because I couldnt remove the deck. I managed to
get my hand behind it and unplug it, but it was not easy and I seriously
doubt I can plug them in my 96 without pulling the deck out first. I'm
sure a lot more of you have more experience with stereos than I do. How
can I go about removing the stock deck? Putting the cd player in is
relatively easy as long as I can get through this barrier.

see ya,
Brett
brettg obrien.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:30:25 -0500
From: Luke Wells
Subject: BBK homepage

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bbk1.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:23:31, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: V-10

The V10 is available in the new F-Series, and it is one HELL of a
powerful engine. I drove one in an econoline, and WOW! As for the
ambulance question, Ford does NOT offer it with the ambulance
chassis...I can't tell you why, but the ambulance chassis requires a
diesel engine. This may be because of how much idling will be done.
The 7.3L is a great engine too, so you may have to keep the block
heater plugged in all the time and keep the fuel warm, too. If you
want a F250 pickup, the V10 is available.

Josh Tenney
Lakeland Truck Center
Sp St Paul, MN
KNBD87D prodigy.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:35:54 -0500
From: "Jeff Wey"
Subject: RE:V10 AMBULANCE

The fire department that I work for tried to spec. a V10 the manufacturer
stated that previous 460's had a problem with bursting into flames there
were numerous cases of this happening. There were lots and lots of recalls
I'm unsure if these ever really resolved the problem(s). We traded ours
off, the new one runs much cooler(it is a powerstroke on a F350 chassis).
The old one would run so hot that the dog house would practically burn your
hand after 10 minutes of idle time,this included using a high speed idler
that runs it at 1300RPM. So I would imagine this would be the reason ford
would be leary about putting the V10 in a squad( van chassis). I would
really like to see the V10 in a F350 (truck chassis).Boy would that be an
excellent squad , fire truck... Just a thought.....

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 01:03:42 +0100
From: "freitag"
Subject: Re: BBK homepage

Wrong URL!

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> Von: Luke Wells
> An: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
> Betreff: BBK homepage
> Datum: Montag, 24. November 1997 19:30
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bbk1.com
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:06:48 -0500
From: "jim schang"
Subject: Super Duty Axle Ratio

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Does anyone have any information regarding the available axle ratios for =
the new F250 and F350 Super Duty Power Stroke Diesel. A local dealer =
tells me the only ratio available is 3.73:1. The 1997 Turbo Diesel had a =
maximum fifth wheel trailer weight rating of 14,000 lbs. with a 4.10:1 =
axle. I am having trouble understanding how this can be. Surely the =
Super Duty will have equivalent Trailer Towing capability. I would =
appreciate any information in this regard.

Thanks,

Jim
jeschang bellsouth.net

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Does anyone have any information regarding the =
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:27:05 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes
Subject: RE: Stereo removal on Rangers

They make a special tool that is "U" shaped that fit into the two holes on
each side of the unit. When inserted, it move some retaining clips back
and allow the unit to easily slide out. Crutchfield has the tools for
removal and they are about $10.00. I have often times used small allen
wrenches but they don't work nearly as well as the tools I got when I
purchased a new stereo from Crutchfield. If you contact them, I am sure
you can purchase them.

Bob

At 09:15 AM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I had a six disc changer in my 92 Ranger, and I pulled it out and now I
>want to put it in my 96 Ranger. My problem is I barely got the wires
>unplugged off my 92, because I couldnt remove the deck. I managed to
>get my hand behind it and unplug it, but it was not easy and I seriously
>doubt I can plug them in my 96 without pulling the deck out first. I'm
>sure a lot more of you have more experience with stereos than I do. How
>can I go about removing the stock deck? Putting the cd player in is
>relatively easy as long as I can get through this barrier.
>
>see ya,
>Brett
>brettg obrien.com
>
>
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
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>
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:40:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Joseph L. Casey"
Subject: Re: Super Duty Axle Ratio

At 09:06 PM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote:

"Does anyone have any information regarding the available axle ratios for
the new F250 and F350 Super Duty Power Stroke Diesel. A local dealer tells
me the only ratio available is 3.73:1. The 1997 Turbo Diesel had a maximum
fifth wheel trailer weight rating of 14,000 lbs. with a 4.10:1 axle. I am
having trouble understanding how this can be. Surely the Super Duty will
have equivalent Trailer Towing capability. I would appreciate any
information in this regard."


I have an F-350 Diesel 1999 on order--it will have a 4:10 axle ratio.
Tomorrow I will check in the spec book (which all dealers already have) to
see what other choices there are.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:29:05 -0700
From: "Ryan Penner"
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Rear brakes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Freddie L. Cummings
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 9:29 AM
Subject: Anti-Lock Rear brakes


>Hi All,
>I have a '91 F150 4x4 e4od 5.0. I had problems with the anti-lock dash
>light being slow to extinguish after cranking. I removed and checked
>the fuse to the anti-lock brake system and now the light stays on
>constantly when the engine is running. Do I have a trouble in the
>system or is there a special procedure for replacing the fuse? Thanks
>for any help you can share.
>Freddie
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
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Mine is on all of the time, and the few times I have had to really pounce
the brakes they have locked up.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:29:03 -0600
From: "Voodoo Chile"
Subject: Question about '84 f-150

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Are there any after market or currently available parts to mount a =
351m/400 in an '84 f-150? The truck had a 302 originally and the motor =
mounts are identical, the problem I am having is that the oil pan won't =
clear the crossmember.=20

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Are there any after market or currently available parts to mount a =
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identical, the problem I am having is that the oil pan won't clear the=20
crossmember.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:27:17 -0600
From: "Voodoo Chile"
Subject: Question about '84 f-150

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Are there any after market or currently available parts to mount a =
351m/400 in an '84 f-150? The truck had a 302 originally and the motor =
mounts are identical, the problem I am having is that the oil pan won't =
clear the crossmember.=20

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Are there any after market or =
currently=20
available parts to mount a 351m/400 in an '84 f-150? The truck had a 302 =

originally and the motor mounts are identical, the problem I am having =
is that=20
the oil pan won't clear the crossmember.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:47:17 -0700
From: Bob Fiddes
Subject: Re: Anti-Lock Rear brakes

The anti lock brake light sensor staying on all the time is usually a
result of the sensor that is mounted in the top of the rear differential....

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