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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, November 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 222



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In this issue:

4 Door Ranger ["Jim Bielecki" ]
changing fuel filter [yhtlines surfari.net]
Re: Axle Code [NyteWng aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #220 [NyteWng aol.com]
RE: 97 F-150 Fuel Filter [Eric Houkal ]
Re:changing fuel filter [Geoffrey Hoffman ]
Engine/Transmission Swap ["Roy Preston" ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219 [Bill Morgan ]
Power Stroke Cold Start Problem ["Claude S. Sutton Jr." ]
Re: 97 F-150 Fuel Filter ["C. E. White" ]
Re: Ford sales figures [JMiller74 aol.com]
ADMIN: Please read... [Ken Payne ]
Re: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218) [Dave Arm]
production line grab-bag (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #220) [James ]
Re: Fuel Filter [MadPoodle aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:52:58 -0500
From: "Jim Bielecki"
Subject: 4 Door Ranger

For a good look at the new 4 door Ranger, see the following URL:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.detnews.com/AUTOS/9711/12/spied/spied.htm

Note that AUTOS is in caps.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:37:03
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: changing fuel filter

>Surely someone out there must know the details of changing a fuel filter.
> I've heard from people who think there's a special tool needed. I've
>talked to people who have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention
>the little steel clips on the fuel lines. I need to hear from someone
>who know. Thanks, John.
Changed one about two months ago. Not a problem, except for all the gas you
will get on you, trying to dodge the gas you will get on you. THe new
filter comes with the new clips. Look at the new clips in the box. I felt
they were self explanatory. I think a small screw driver is required to
remove the old clips (pop off) but am fuzzy on that. THe filter is held to
the frame by a permanent hose clamp arrangement, so a screwdriver is
definitely required for that. The gas we had even in Sept is very, very
nasty stuff, (not like gas of my syphoning youth!) so loosen everything and
run while it drains down.I think the fuel line tool that everyone is
talking about is for breaking the underhood fittings loose under the hood
(that look just like the AC fittings), and is not needed for the filter
(done that also). You may feel more comfortable depressurizing the system,
by looking on top of the block, at the fuel rail, for a vertical device
that looks just like an inner tube valve. Take the rubber cap off and
depress the center to depressurze the system. You're used to your SEFI Ford
starting on the first hit of the key. This time the pumps will have to fill
and pressureize the system, so it will take 15-30 seconds of cranking
before it will fire.
good luck
Dave Lampert

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:06:18 -0500 (EST)
From: NyteWng aol.com
Subject: Re: Axle Code

...If your axle code s X19 it should mean you have a regular axle (not
limited slip) with a 3.55 ratio.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:23:28 -0500 (EST)
From: NyteWng aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #220

.....I wouldn't assume the worst yet - after working in and around new cars
and trucks for the past ten years I've seen a lot worse! The fender probably
got a wrong badge by accident and the "cup holder guy" probably saw it and
put a cup holder in! - anyway- that's why new vehicles come with warranties!

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:07:31 -0600
From: Eric Houkal
Subject: RE: 97 F-150 Fuel Filter

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From: John R. McKee[SMTP:johnmck juno.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 12:04 AM
To: fordtrucks80up ListService.net
Subject: 97 F-150 Fuel Filter

Surely someone out there must know the details of changing a fuel =
filter.
I've heard from people who think there's a special tool needed. I've
talked to people who have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention
the little steel clips on the fuel lines. I need to hear from someone
who know. Thanks, John.=20

=20
There are two different types of fitting, one has a spring clip in =
a round collar and requires the special tool, the other has a U-shaped =
clip that pulls out and then the fitting comes apart by pulling and =
twisting. I believe the second type is used on the plastic fuel lines =
only, but it was on the fuel filter on my 89 E-150. I haven't looked at =
the 97 yet.=20
Eric

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:58:01 -0500
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: Re:changing fuel filter

>>Surely someone out there must know the details of changing a fuel filter.
>> I've heard from people who think there's a special tool needed. I've
>>talked to people who have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention
>>the little steel clips on the fuel lines. I need to hear from someone
>>who know. Thanks, John.

i was playing around down there, cause vortech has you put a fule pump
in-line with the filter to get more fuel pressure.

anyway, it is possible to do get the clips off with a scredriverr, but i
_strongly_ recommend you get a tool for it. there are different tools: one
does the fittings under the hood, and that looks like an scissor type
thing, so that you can open and close to get different sizes (hard to
explain) and then the ones for the fuel pump are simple little plastic
fitting type things. what they do, is to slide into the gas line fitting,
and they push the little internal clips up, and it makes removing the line
into a few second job. if you poke around with a scredriver, you can mess
up the clips, and it takes a while, and is very tedious.

problem is that these little things are kinda hard to find, but any shop
that would carry ford stuff should have it.

see ya.....


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Geoffrey Hoffman gch2 cornell.edu
Cornell University http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:16:26 -0500
From: "Roy Preston"
Subject: Engine/Transmission Swap

I am presently working on restoring my 1985 "F-150" pick-up. However, I
plan on swapping out the original "300" 6 w/4speed to a "351" C
w/automatic. Can anyone advise of problems or roadblocks that will be
encountered in this swap.

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:36:58 -0600
From: Bill Morgan
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #219

Ken Payne wrote:

> Sometimes I have to wonder about Ford's #1 claim. Yes, the F150
> outsold the Ch*vy and GMC trucks for 15 years running.
>
> Ahhhh, marketing....
>
> Ken,

If they allowed sales figures to be combined, wouldn't the Taurus/Sable outsell
the Camry? The marketing scheme is a two edged sword. GM wants to market the GMC
seperately in order to tout it's higher resale and they also infer a higher build
quality in the Jimmie vs the Chebby, much like Fords vs. Mercury. So conversely,
if you want the marques to have seperate identities for marketing purposes, you
also have to accept the downside of the lower sales numbers. My .02

Bill Morgan
93 Ford F150 MarkIII Conversion
Gladewater, TX


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MZ

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:34:02 est
From: "Claude S. Sutton Jr."
Subject: Power Stroke Cold Start Problem

I have a late 1994 F350 Power Stroke.

Lately it has developed some weird starting problems.

When the temp is about 36 degrees, it starts normal. Below that it takes
about 15 minutes on the block heater and then it starts perfectly.

Sometimes it will die after a minute or two. Might surge and die, might
not surge.

Tests show the relay to the glow plugs and the glow plugs are working.

If the computer and the glow plugs were not working, it would not start
at 36 degrees withou heat.

>From my mechanic's description, it sounds like it might be the high
pressure oil pump that operates the injectors.

It has 143,000 miles on it using Shell Rotellat Multi viscosity 15/40.

Does anyone else here run Shell in their power stroke and is it a good
idea?

It will be 20 degrees Monday morning and my mechanic will get to run
all the tests on it, which I am sure will find the problem, but I already
suspect the high pressure pump and am wondering if the oil is a factor.

Claude S. Sutton, Jr.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:13:34 -0500
From: "C. E. White"
Subject: Re: 97 F-150 Fuel Filter

John R. McKee wrote:
>
> Surely someone out there must know the details of changing a fuel filter.
> I've heard from people who think there's a special tool needed. I've
> talked to people who have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention
> the little steel clips on the fuel lines. I need to hear from someone
> who know. Thanks, John.

My 92 uses a special tool I purchased at Pep Boys. It looks like a X
that pivots in the middle. The ends have half round pipe sections. You
close the tool around the fuel line, shove it into fuel filter
connectors and detach the lines. My X shaped tool covers two sizes. It
is very similar to the quick disconnect couplers used on the AC and I
suspect that one of the tools for those fittings would work also.

Ed

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:16:24 -0500 (EST)
From: JMiller74 aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford sales figures

I recieve a couple of magazines, Trucking Times and Truck Accessory News,
that publish sales figures for all types of trucks and vans from minivans to
cabover medium duty trucks from all makers foreign and domestic. According to
their numbers, Ford does indeed outsell both GM makes combined. When I
receive this month's issues I will post the year to date totals for all 3
makers, Ford, GM, and Dodge. Sorry I don't have them available at this time.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:18:06 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Please read...

Please read this message, it has a lot more content than just
window sticker information.

1. Item One - Window stickers
In an effort to break even with the window stickers....

To those who don't know or have forgotten:

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has static cling window stickers. Show
your Ford pride or give one (or two!) as a great stocking stuffer.
These bumper sticker sized stickers apply and remove easily and
are reusable.

Stickers are clear with white lettering, preview is on the web
site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/sticker.html (site is currently
down for upgrades and should be back up tonight or tomorrow).

Quantity Price
One $ 3.50
Two $ 6.75
Three $10.00
Four or More $ 3.00 ea

Kenneth Payne
Attn: Sticker
P.O. Box 422
Lilburn, GA 30048

The PO box is checked twice weekly so you'll usually have your
sticker(s) in hand in about a week. All proceeds (after we
break even!) go to fund our web site and email lists.

2. Item Two - T-Shirts
Currently working on a T-shirt design, due this spring. This
will be a full color print, emphasizing Ford Trucks first,
with our site address/logo secondary. Design will most likely
have photos of Ford trucks from every major group (53-56, 57-60,
97+, etc....).

3. Item Three - Events
We hope to organize an event for the Southeast (possibly
at the F100 Nationals in Pigeon Forge) and get others involved
in organizing events in their regions.

4. Item Four - Web sites
If I can get another advertiser I hope to expand our web service
so I can offer free/cheap (cost) web sites to members who currently
host Ford truck sites. Your site would be:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/~yoursite
When the web service is updated I'll be able to offer email
addresses (yourname ford-trucks.com).

5. Item Five - Web site updates
December 1st (if I experience no delays) the web site will have
a huge upgrade. Hopefully it will blow everyone's socks off.
Its undergoing testing right now on a server I've set up in the home.
Wish I could tell you more but I may have to drop features due
to technical reasons. One this is certain: nightly live chat.

6. Item Six - New mailing lists
Voting for a Bronco 2/Explorer/Ranger list will begin one day after
the web site update (Dec. 2 or later) with a voting form on the
web site. Voting results will be updated live. Additionally,
another list is a possibility. I have to set up a poll to see if
there's enough support.

7. Item Seven - Upcoming Anniversary
Mid-January will be our first anniversary. If anyone has ideas
about how to celebrate it, please post them.

As you can see, I've been busy! My wife has taken a lot of the list
administration load for me so I've been able to participate more and
work on the site. Many of these items may take a long time to complete
and nothing is carved in stone.

Send feed-back if you want. Unless you feel it affects the lists,
please send your comments to me privately (kpayne mindspring.com).

Any public response to this posting should be edited to contain only
the parts of my message which you are responding to. Its a large
message and I don't want to force too many digests.

Ken
CoAdmin
Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:51:00 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218)

>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:53:54 -0600 (CST)
>From: James Federline
>Subject: XL or XLT Ranger? (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #218)
>
>On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Scott M Rosenthal wrote:
>> I just purchased a 1988 Ranger 4x4 xtra cab XL. This truck seems to be an
>> oddball. The left front fender has an XLT emblem on it and the right
>> fender just reads Ranger. It also has the built in cup holders in the
>> back which are only available on the XLT. I wonder what they drank for
>> lunch that day. Have you ever heard of anything like this?
>
>Suspect that this truck was in an accident involving the right front quad
>or quite possibly the whole front end.
>
>Have the frame, suspension, engine mounts, etc checked out, esp since it's
>a 4x4. Look for other signs of accident repair like paint spray-over
>inside the fender or engine compartment, and on suspension and engine
>parts. Also look for welds that are not factory grade or in non-factory
>spots (use others of the same vintage for comparison).
>
>Research the truck's past if at all possible. It may have just been
>super-rusty and body parts were replaced. Or maybe it was a flood victim
>(XLT interior in an XL). I however, suspect it was in a front end
>collision.


I figured out that there was probably body work done on a buddy's truck by
looking at the windshield washer spray jets, one was stock black the other
was the same blue as the truck. My guess was they missed taping it up when
they sprayed it.

Just an observation,
Dave

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:03:14 -0600 (CST)
From: James Federline
Subject: production line grab-bag (was: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #220)

On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 NyteWng aol.com wrote:

> .....I wouldn't assume the worst yet - after working in and around new cars
> and trucks for the past ten years I've seen a lot worse! The fender probably
> got a wrong badge by accident and the "cup holder guy" probably saw it and
> put a cup holder in! - anyway- that's why new vehicles come with warranties!

This is amazing. I've never heard of this happening or ever seen it,
but yet this type of ocurrence is not considered uncommon. Wow. Should I
even mention the news media's recent heyday they had in the Twin Cities
over some Ford Ranger plant line employees drinking and smoking wacky weed
at their lunch break? That was an embarrassment.

Could the half-and-half Ranger have been the outcome of this? Who knows,
but it makes the ol' gears turn, don't it.

There's also rumblings of Ford ceasing production of Rangers in St. Paul.
No shortage of speculation and investigation surrounding this Ford plant
here as of late.

I feel like I'm throwing the proverbial lit match on the gasoline by
sending this one out... :) Be gentle, friends. *dons firesuit...*

- -Jim
'96 Ranger XLT, made in St. Paul even...

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:47:33 -0500 (EST)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel Filter

In a message dated 11/15/97 6:14:22 AM, you wrote:

>Surely someone out there must know the details of changing a fuel filter.
> I've heard from people who think there's a special tool needed. I've
>talked to people who have no idea what I'm talking about when I mention
>the little steel clips on the fuel lines. I need to hear from someone
>who know. Thanks, John.

Yes, your local tool guy has the tool you need. Also, most aftermarket
filters I have seen do not fit properly (Napa, Fram in particular) You don't....


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