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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, November 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 211



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In this issue:

Re: Please help decode VIN # [PhilDyson aol.com]
RE: window stickers [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: window stickers [Menagias aol.com]
Re: Aisin 1 BBL Carb.--'87 Ranger ["Randy L. Hatcher" ]
Re: Leaky Bronco II ["Lou Guerriero" ]
Re: Rocking [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: Rocking [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #209 [Iguannna aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #209 [Iguannna aol.com]
Quad shocks for F-150 4x4 [Jeff Fairbairn ]
Re: Aisin 1 BBL Carb.--'87 Ranger [Nathan Heid ]
Mystery suspension part? [ccbg054 ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #210 [Blest25913 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #210 [Blest25913 aol.com]
3,000 mile maintenance - Ford Ranger ["Robert Stinnett ]
Re: 3,000 mile maintenance - Ford Ranger [Nathan Heid ]
Ranger Shift snick 1st to 2nd ["srramona pacbell.net"
[none] [Gary Snook ]
Re: tire size???? [JOUZA1 aol.com]
RE: Golf Games [Gary Snook ]
4R100 automatic transmissions - was Re: The 1999 Big-uns [Mitch Biarsky
Conversion vans [STATX5 aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #210 [Bunseater aol.com]
99 Big-uns - More Pictures [Mitch Biarsky ]

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:24:13 -0500 (EST)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Please help decode VIN #

In a message dated 97-11-07 07:41:59 EST, you write:


Where can you get information like this? How do you know?

Craig
>>

Craig,
I looked it up in my Ford Light Truck Shop Manual for Body / Chassis/
Electrical, It breaks down all the codes in detail.

Phil

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:40:44, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE: window stickers

Ken,

I got my window stickers yesterday.....look great!
Josh Tenney

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:48:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Menagias aol.com
Subject: Re: window stickers

I received the stickers on Wed. first time I had to respond.
they are great, Thanks
Elias Menagias
Menagias AOL.Com

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:51:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Randy L. Hatcher"
Subject: Re: Aisin 1 BBL Carb.--'87 Ranger

the only adjustment I have seen on moine{IF it's the same carb? '86 ford
ranger 2.0}
is the idle adjustment screw,there's also another screw above or below
that one,not sure what it does though,maybe someone else can help.??
On Sat,
8
Nov 1997, Nathan Heid wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about the Aisin 1 bbl carburator used on the 2.0
> liter 1987 Ranger? After a series of non-starting incidents the local Ford
> dealer shop decided my carb was at fault. The mechanic would not or could
> not tell me what was wrong and refused to attempt any repairs as it was a
> "Mitscubiscky carb" I think he meant to say Mitsubishi. The dealership
> told me the only option was to replace it with a N.O.S. part for $590 plus
> labor!
> I ended up buying a rebuilt carb for $325 and I did my own labor. however,
> the carb was hard to find. It seems to be somewhat of an orphan. The
> truck starts and runs well, but seems to be too rich. My milage with this
> carb is down to 24 on the highway. It had always been good for 27.
> Additionally the plugs and tail pipe are black with powdery carbon now. My
> Chilton's and Haynes manuals have virtually nothing on this carb. Is there
> any adjustment that can be made or is it electronic? I would greatly
> appreciate any information.
>
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Randy Hatcher

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:49:54 -0500
From: "Lou Guerriero"
Subject: Re: Leaky Bronco II

Hi,

Well, some suggested that it's under the floor, but there is no way, since
I had the carpets out last summer, and was getting the water in then. The
pinhole in the gutter sounds possible though. The water gets in More when
sitting, it seems, so that could be right...

I'm not liking this at all.. any possible ideas to stop this water coming
in.. cheaply?

Lou.

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:43:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocking

In a message dated 97-11-08 06:20:49 EST, you write:


the great michigan road surface, it's hard to get a smooth ride from a
short wheelbase. Ian >>

Thanks. Is there anything I can do about this?

Craig

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:45:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocking

In a message dated 97-11-08 09:49:38 EST, you write:


truck's suspension is tuned exactly to the frequency of the slab breaks
on the road. This is a common problem with trucks (autos have softer
suspensions with better damping). Solutions range from changing shocks
to changing trucks.

Bill Funk >>

Ummm.I think I'll look into the shocks :) Thanks!

Craig

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:13:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #209

Ranger manuals.......The Mazda is called a M5OD by Ford. It was used in
Areostar and Explorer as well. According to the shop manual the Mitsu is
used on 4x4's with the 2.9. Ya made me go dig the bible out of the
closet.......

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:23:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Iguannna aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #209

Tranny noise.....the noise in neutral with the clutch engaged is called
neutral gear rollover noise. This could be what you have. It is nothing to
worry about, just check your tranny fluid and make sure it is full. I
changed mine at about 50,000 miles and put some slick 50 stuff for manuals in
it and that seemed to quiet it down a bit. It has made that noise since new,
now 65,000 miles and six years down the road it still works great. Just
think of the noise as character. There was a TSB for this noise in mine but
every time I brought it in they would fix one thing and break another. Now I
have to top off the fluid once a year cause it leaks. Usually manuals do not
break all at once, but don't hold me to that. Usually you just lose a gear
and can limp home. I had one friend lose 4th and drive for months without it
with no problem. Then he put a 5.0 in....that is another story..........

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:29:58 -0500
From: Jeff Fairbairn
Subject: Quad shocks for F-150 4x4

Hi,

Does anyone know, what company makes a good bracket for double shocks? I =
would like to put double shocks on each front wheel on my '96 F150 4X4. =
My guess would be that Rancho would make it. Also would this take the =
"dipping" out of it that I get in corners with the big tires on.

Thanks,
Jeff

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:41:15 -0500
From: Nathan Heid
Subject: Re: Aisin 1 BBL Carb.--'87 Ranger

At 09:51 AM 11/8/97 -0500, Randy L. Hatcher wrote:
>the only adjustment I have seen on moine{IF it's the same carb? '86 ford
>ranger 2.0}
>is the idle adjustment screw,there's also another screw above or below
>that one,not sure what it does though,maybe someone else can help.??

I think you have a different carb. The Aisin was only used in '87 and
'88, but anything is possible. My Chilton's manual shows about 15
different carburators used in 4 cylinder Rangers between '83 and '87!



>On Sat,
>8
>Nov 1997, Nathan Heid wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know anything about the Aisin 1 bbl carburator used on the 2.0
>> liter 1987 Ranger? After a series of non-starting incidents the local Ford
>> dealer shop decided my carb was at fault. The mechanic would not or could
>> not tell me what was wrong and refused to attempt any repairs as it was a
>> "Mitscubiscky carb" I think he meant to say Mitsubishi. The dealership
>> told me the only option was to replace it with a N.O.S. part for $590 plus
>> labor!
>> I ended up buying a rebuilt carb for $325 and I did my own labor. however,
>> the carb was hard to find. It seems to be somewhat of an orphan. The
>> truck starts and runs well, but seems to be too rich. My milage with this
>> carb is down to 24 on the highway. It had always been good for 27.
>> Additionally the plugs and tail pipe are black with powdery carbon now. My
>> Chilton's and Haynes manuals have virtually nothing on this carb. Is there
>> any adjustment that can be made or is it electronic? I would greatly
>> appreciate any information.
>>
>> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>> | Send Unsubscribe requests to fordtrucks80up-request listservice.net |
>> +----------------- Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com -----------------+
>>
>
>afn23242 afn.org
>Randy Hatcher
>
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>those that have minds don't use them,those that do can't think straight.
>
>
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>
>

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:59:13 -0600
From: ccbg054
Subject: Mystery suspension part?

My truck: 1997, F-250, 4X4, Powerstroke.

On both sides there is a black plastic spacer inserted between the front
leaf springs. The spacer is taped in place with black duct tape and is
marked "discard". Any ideas what they are there for. And the obvious
question, should they be discarded?

Thanks,
Bill

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:44:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Blest25913 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #210

In a message dated 11/8/97 6:08:10 AM, you wrote:

>

bhood sunset.net

When I bought my '93 Ranger (brand new), I drove it off the lot, into a heavy
rain, to work. When I came out after work the next morning (I work nights)
there was water all over the passenger side floor. I took it back to the
dealer. The dealer made me wait 'til the following Monday when the "water
leak expert" would be there. He sealed the windshield and I never had another
problem with it.
Ron Trampe

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:50:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Blest25913 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #210

In a message dated 11/8/97 6:08:10 AM, you wrote:


water on the floor? I have found two triangular pieces of "plastic bag"
type material, with a gauzy type of material inside, located under the
hood, behind the firewall/fender. Weird! I've never seen anything like
this before>>

I had those things in my '93 Ranger, too. I imagined that they were for sound
dampening, so I took them out and threw them away. Pickup trucks are supposed
to be noisy. I haven't checked my '96 Ranger for them.
Ron Trampe

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 15:36:27 EST
From: "Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOMENODE"
Subject: 3,000 mile maintenance - Ford Ranger

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I have a 1997 Ford Ranger XLT that I am taking in for its 3,000 (actually 3200)
mile maintenance. The book recommends at 5,000 miles but to quote a phrase,
"I don't think so."

I plan on having them replace the oil, change the oil filter and also change
the air filter. Anything else I should do for this guy at 3,000? I figured
on rotating the tires at 6,000.

Robert Stinnett

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:03:27 -0500
From: Nathan Heid
Subject: Re: 3,000 mile maintenance - Ford Ranger

>I have a 1997 Ford Ranger XLT that I am taking in for its 3,000 (actually
3200)
> mile maintenance. The book recommends at 5,000 miles but to quote a phrase,
>"I don't think so."
>
>I plan on having them replace the oil, change the oil filter and also change
>the air filter. Anything else I should do for this guy at 3,000? I figured
>on rotating the tires at 6,000.

3000 miles is quite early to change the air filter unless thiese are 3000
dusty offroad miles. On the street, once a year or every 15,000 is good.
If there's anything on the chassis that can be greased, grease it at each
oil change (3,000 miles)

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 15:18:09 -0800
From: "srramona pacbell.net"
Subject: Ranger Shift snick 1st to 2nd

I have a 96 Mazda B2300 4 banger/5 speed, 7K at 15 months.
Delighted with the truck except for one irritating thing; There is a
pronounced "snick" when shifting from 1st to 2nd gear. No meshing problems
with the other transitions.
Have taken it back to the dealer. They acknowledged it, looked at me like I
was crazy to notice such a small idiosyncrasy of the tranny, changed out
the oil and put in lighter grade and told me that this was to be expected
in a brand new tranny.

I don't believe them.

It has been 5K since the dealer visit and it has not "worn" away with use.

Anyone else experience the same. I really plan to raise hell before my
warranty runs out in getting this fixed. The previous Mazda tranny posts
describing replacements at 21K don't make me feel any more assured that
this is just an innate characteristic of this tranny, just snick and grin.

I also have an RX7 and the gears shift smooth as butter.

Thanks for any advice out there.

Stu Rea


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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:55:56 -0600
From: Gary Snook
Subject: [none]

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:07:34 EST
From: Bakend
Subject: 5 speed tranny

Hi
Ihave read a lot here about the Mazda transmission being a source of
trouble.
I have a 1987 Ranger with the 3.0 and 5spd and 4X4. The tranny seems to be
noisy even in neutral with the clutch engaged. Afriend has almost the same
truck and it is much quieter. Do these trucks all have the Mazda tranny?
What
are the symptoms of the tranny going out? Does it just give out all at once
or
do you get warnings?
Any comment appreciated
Dennis

Dennis;
I had an 87 Ranger with 3.0 and 5 speed.

1. There was a recall on the shifter. Dealer says not needed on my truck
at about 100K miles, it broke, requiring the very kit the recall said to
put in.

2. About 50K miles, the reverse idler broke. Was 60 miles from home, but
made it back to Ford Garage (lots of grinding and banging noises though.

3. When newer, the dealer made a mistake changing the spedo gear to
calibrate the spedo, necisitating a trany teardown. Trany was always noisy
after that. When I inquired as to the reason for the increased noise, I
was told it was due to the different lubricant used in the trany rebuild.
I was also assured the right lube was in there, but it was different than
original and hence the 5th gear whine.

Truck was used for mostly highway miles until 100K, then my son used it
for a commuter. Got a lifetime average fuel milage of 21 MPG (I tracked
every gallon). At about 140K, he sold it, and it now spends its life
behind some big motorhome.

Hope this helps,
Gary

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:18:15 -0500 (EST)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: Re: tire size????

mine is a 4x2 and I mean the maximum width not height??????????

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:26:32 -0600
From: Gary Snook
Subject: RE: Golf Games

I heard it this way;
Jesus and Moses were playing golf, and they came to a 170 yard par 3.
Jesus said He could make the green with a 7 iron, so He hits it, and
plunk, short in the water. He then asks Moses to retrive the ball for him
so he can take a mulligan. Moses parts the water, walks out , retrives the
ball, and returns with it. He then suggests Jesus try a 5 iron, but Jesus
persists. Again, he hits the ball short, and again he has Moses retrive
it. Moses again sugests the 5 iron, and adds that if Jesus is short, he
can go get his own ball. Jesus persists, saying that Arnold Palmer can
make it with the 7, and he should be able to make it with the 7 too. Again
he is short, but this time, Jesus walks out on the water and gets his own
ball. Meanwhile, the foursome behind them is questioning one of their
caddies about the sights they are beholding. The caddy's reply is that
although he THINKS he is Arnold Palmer, it is REALLY Jesus playing golf
with Moses.

Gary


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From: Wayne Stefan[SMTP:boats thesurf.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 1:15 PM
To: Gary & Karen Snook
Subject: Golf Games

One day Moses, Jesus, and an old man were playing golf. They were
having a good time. So they came to the 16th hole--which is especially
tricky. It was a par 4 and the green was surrounded by water.
The first to Tee off was Moses. He stepped up to the tee and took his
shot. It was heading straight for the green when it fell straight into the
water hazard right in front of the green. Moses was a wise man so he
raised his hands and parted the water so he could get to his ball. \
He took his shot and sunk it in 3 shots. He marked his score and
waited for the others.
Well, this time it was Jesus' turn. He took his shot and sure enough
his shot went straight into the water. When he got to the water, he walked
over the water, picked up his ball and tossed it on the green. He took as
shot and marked it as three.
Finally the old man had his turn. He hobbled his way to the tee. He
grabbed his driver, took his stance and swung. This shot didn't look any
better than the others it was headed straight for the water. But, just as
it was about to hit the water a fish jumped out of the water and grabbed
the ball. Before that fish could land back in the water an eagle swooped
down and picked up the fish. Well, before that eagle could fly off it was
struck by lightning, it dropped the fish, the fish dropped the ball and it
plopped into the hole. After this Jesus looked at the old man and said
"Dad, if you don't stop doing that we are not going to play with you
anymore."

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 21:35:20 -0500
From: Mitch Biarsky
Subject: 4R100 automatic transmissions - was Re: The 1999 Big-uns

> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:33:05 -0800
> From: John Yee
> Subject: 4R100 automatic transmissions - was Re: The 1999 Big-uns
>
> Gee, thanks Robert...
>
> What does the group know about this transmission mentioned here?
> Since Ford seems to run a lot of their stuff though the Fleet market
> what is known about this transmission?
>
> In particular:
> Durability
> maintainability
> torque handling (Power Stroke upped from 425 to 500 ft. lbs for 1999)
> improvements over it's predecessor
> etc...
>
> 4R100 automatic transmission (replaces the E40D transmission)
>
> And to be fair, what about the manual transmissions mentioned?
>
> M5HD five-speed manual transmission
> M60D six-speed manual -- standard with the diesel engine
>
> thanks,
> - -john
>

It looks like this is the same transmission used in the
Navigator/Expedition.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dealersites.com/1998showroom/lincoln/navigator.htm
The same fifth-generation electronic engine control computer (EEC-V)
that regulates engine operating variables also governs the automatic
transmission. The 4R100 transmission teamed with the 5.4-liter V-8 has
a lock-up torque converter, four forward speeds, an overdrive top gear
for
maximum highway fuel efficiency, and a handy overdrive lock-out button
on its shift lever.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.costamesalm.com/mt.html
Hereís a more in-depth look at the new, more functional Lincoln: First,
there are no great vehicles without great engines. The Navigatorís
standard 5.4-liter/230- horsepower SOHC V-8 is a very good powerplant.
(The mechanically related Ford Expeditionís standard engine is the
shorter stroke 4.6-liter V-8, with the torquier 5.4 available
optionally.)This iron-block, aluminum-head V-8 produces strong, steady,
and nearsilent thrust. In fact, teamed with the 4R100 four-speed
automatic, the shift quality, idle smoothness, and overall driveability
of the Navigator powertrain felt
better than that of the last Lincoln Town Car we sampled. (A more
powerful DOHC 5.4 is being developed by Ford. Stay tuned.)

Mitch

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:40:39 -0500 (EST)
From: STATX5 aol.com
Subject: Conversion vans

Hi Group

I've owned ford pu trucks for many years now and I'm completly satisfied. A
stange thing is happening, my three little ones are getting bigger and are
complaining about lack of elbow room in the back seat of my extended
cab,especially on those long trips! Well any way they almost have me
convinced to buy a conversion van, just wondering if anyone has any words of
advise on Ford models!! (Never owned a van )
STILL KEEPING THE 89 F250 4X4 EXTENDED CAB!!!!

Thanks In Advanced
Sam (Statx5 aol.com)

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:19:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Bunseater aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #210

Issue:Ranger side panel....


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