fordtrucks80up-digest Friday, October 31 1997 Volume 01 : Number 198
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RE:RE: Ranger HP [greg.medert gsa.gov]
Re: Spam? [Bill Funk ]
Re: 86 Ranger 2.3 Header [Don Vanco ]
Re: ghost flames [Don Vanco ]
Green Liquid in Exhaust ["Leo O'Neill" ]
exhaust (fwd) [Philippe Gravelle ]
Re: Green Liquid in Exhaust ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re:green exhaust juice [Don Vanco ]
93'STX 4x4 [CASSIS universal.usa.com (Cassis, John)]
Mail "Subject Line" in General ["Gene E. Utterback, EA, ATA, ATP"
Re: 93'STX 4x4 ["David J. Baldwin" ]
2.3L Turbo.... Cheap! [BiggRanger aol.com]
Recall [hunter cyberstreet.com (Michael Kisielewski)]
Splash inquiry: ["S. HALL" ]
$1700 for a transfer case?!? '95 F150 [Steve ]
Ford sets recall of 1.1 million vehicles [Mitch Biarsky
Re: Mail "Subject Line" in General [Ken Payne ]
ADMIN: Static cling window stickers [Ken Payne ]
300I6 mileage [Croth2 aol.com]
Josh, I feel that I getting around 200 HP in my 91 4.0 with all the
mods I have done. That may not seem like a lot with all the mods but
you have to realize that in 91 the 5 speed 4.0 only had 145 HP stock
and the auto's had 160. In 92 Ford changed both 5 spd and auto's to
160. 91 Ford specs are as follows 145 HP 3800, 225 ft/lb 2400 for
the 5 spd, 160 HP 4400 and 220 ft/lb 2400. As you can see mine
needs a cam bad. Mine runs out around 4400 rpm. I will send some pics
to you directly. Take care.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:11:04 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Spam?
> From: fwise juno.com
> Subject: Re: Spam?
> Ken (Payne, not the spammer), has this guy been lifting addresses off
> the list? I know that you don't give out list member's addresses, so
> is my assumption. Has anyone else been the victim of this guys stuff?
> Fred Wise
I got the impression that, since the message was addressed to "Dear Ford
Enthusiast", it definitely came from someone who gleaned this list.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:32:54 -0500
From: Don Vanco
Subject: Re: 86 Ranger 2.3 Header
At 08:33 PM 10/29/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I need to locate a header for my 86 Ranger 4x4 with the 2.3 motor.
Try Summit Racing in Akron, Ohio - great prices & huge inventory.
JBA in CA (J. Bittle - sorry, no URL)
J. Bittle Performance
7149 Mission Gorge Rd.
San Diego, CA 92120
>other mods have you guys performed on the motor. I also need stereo
>advice on a speaker box behind the seat, any sugestions? need info on
>good door speakers to, pref. 6.5"
Try Crutchfield. Not the best prices, but not the worst - and they give
you all the correct connectors & wiring harness adapters you need. A full
Ford Stereo swap can be done in about a half an hour (OK - maybe not the
first one you do....)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:48:00 -0500
From: Don Vanco
Subject: Re: ghost flames
At 08:16 PM 10/29/97 -0500, Melanie Curry wrote:
>I recently purchased a 1997 Ford F-150 in sapphire blue. I would like to
>paint ghost flames on the hood and front fenders, but I'm not sure how to
>go about doing this. If anyone has any information on how to paint ghost
>flames, please let me know or if anyone knows of any publications
>explaining this please also let me know of these.
If anyone can tell you it Joe :
Awesome product - but a premium price. But is your truck worth it? I'd
suggest a light white pearl slowly tinted to orange & red.... Or not.....
>Also, I have a 1976 Ford F-100 XLT which is a show truck. I am constantly
>looking for parts information and new ways to improve the appearance of
Tow a Lamborghini! Just kidding - do a WEB search & you'll find a few
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:04:26 -0500
From: "Leo O'Neill"
Subject: Green Liquid in Exhaust
I have a 1994 F-150 5.0L with 60,000 miles on it.
Last July, while helping a friend, he noticed that there was
green liquid pooled at the end on my exhaust pipe. I wetted
my fingers with the liquid to test it's consistancy and smelled it to
see if it resembled antifreeze. It didn't but after passing through
the engine, I figured most of those traites might be lost. I ran the
engine for a while to see if there was any steam coming out of the
Puzzled but not wanting to face the truth, I challanged my friends to
come up with an explaination that DIDN'T involve the heads or head
gaskets...they couldn't. I even quizzed my 4 year old to see if he
had put a lime popcycle in the pipe...he didn't.
So, I resigned myself to having a head problem. I dutifully
performed a compression test...all 8 cylinders were 140-150 psi.
I put a mark on my antifreeze reservoir and after 3500 miles, the
level has dropped about 1/2".
I've been monitor the exhaust pipe and occassionally find this pool
of green liquid at the end of the tail pipe and I am stumpted. This
is the only anomoly I've observed.
Could I have a micro-crack in the heads/head gasket that releases
only small quantities of antifreeze into the exhaust stream? Is there
something goofy with my gas and/or catalytic converter?
I'm taking a wait and see attitude at this point but am curious if
any of you have had a similar experience.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:28:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Philippe Gravelle
Subject: exhaust (fwd)
I had the same with my 1995 300,4.9l,I always have a bit of water at
the end of my tail pipe and it's a light green just like antifreeze.
I brought it in for a check-up at my local Ford dealer and they said the
water part was normal due to condensation,but the green colour was
a reaction of the water and the cadmium in the muffler(just like copper
when it oxide it goes green)So the TSB fix for that was one small 1/8"
hole a the very bottom of the muffler.I still get green water at the tail
pipe but it's much less than before.
I hope this help!
I can get the # of the TSB if you want.
Still working on the very intermittent rough idle problem.
New:plug wire,distributor cap,spark plugs,idler valve,air and gas filter
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:39:41 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: Green Liquid in Exhaust
Leo O'Neill wrote:
> I have a 1994 F-150 5.0L with 60,000 miles on it.
> Last July, while helping a friend, he noticed that there was
> green liquid pooled at the end on my exhaust pipe. I wetted
> my fingers with the liquid to test it's consistancy and smelled it to
> see if it resembled antifreeze. It didn't but after passing through
> the engine, I figured most of those traites might be lost. I ran the
> engine for a while to see if there was any steam coming out of the
> So, I resigned myself to having a head problem. I dutifully
> performed a compression test...all 8 cylinders were 140-150 psi.
> I put a mark on my antifreeze reservoir and after 3500 miles, the
> level has dropped about 1/2".
I wouldn't freak-out just yet. You did a compression test, and that was
OK. You marked the coolant level some time ago, but did you make sure
that you checked it with the truck parked in the same location? If not,
slope of the terrain may have you fooled.
You didn't mention pressure testing the cooling system. You might want
to check the oil for coolant, too. I'd do this to make sure, and keep
an eye on things.
I have a '95 F-150, and have noticed this as well. Corrosion due to
water vapor in the exhaust system (which is normal, and a by-product of
the combustion process) can cause a greenish tint in the water
condensing at the end of the exhaust system. I am not losing coolant,
and there have been others on this list who have experienced the same.
I have had two vehicles with head gasket problems, and they did NOT drip
green from the exhaust. By the time the coolant goes through the
combustion process, it is likely to lose its green color. I suppose
there may be some exceptions, but unless you losing quarts of coolant in
a short period of time, the likelihood of coolant coming out the exhaust
green is slim.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:21:34 -0500
From: Don Vanco
Subject: Re:green exhaust juice
At 10:28 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Philippe Gravelle wrote:
> the TSB fix for that was one small 1/8"
>hole a the very bottom of the muffler.
This is stanard on every Ford muffler I've looked at in the last coupla
years - sounds goofy but perhaps it is the truth....
My Cobra has obvious streaks from this hole 6,000 miles - but they are
So how do you come up with a formula to get back to stock gear ratio? Or
do you jut try to locate 4:10's? That seems like a real big jump in
gearing to me? It realy does'nt seem like it would be real hard to do
though. Just swap out the center chunk. The front could be a little
dificult though. Also I am assuming the front and rear a geared the same,
is this correct? Or is there difrent gearing and it is matched up right
in the t-case. I am asking because a friend is insisting that is how it
is. This is my second 4x4 and as far as I new the gearing had to be the
same or you would blow the t-case all to hell.
Could someone explain to me what a kat back system is? I've herd of them
but how does it work? What exactly does it do? And most of all how
expensive is it?
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:46:56 -0800
From: "Gene E. Utterback, EA, ATA, ATP"
Subject: Mail "Subject Line" in General
I have been following this list for a little while now. Also, I am
relatively new to this type of forum, so please cut me a little slack if
my comment/observation is something that has been gone over. I looked
for an FAQ, but didn't see one. Again, maybe in my newness I missed it.
The computer program I use (Netscape Navigator) threads mail and news
messages according to the subject line. This seems to make it easy to
keep all the related "Subjects" together. I find this helpful when I'm
looking for an answer to a question.
However, I have noticed that a lot of the people posting to this group
change the subject when the post a reply. Do these folks realize that
doing this makes it harder for the person who posted the original
question to find responses to those questions? Not to mention little
insignificant me, who justs wants to follow along.
Or am I way off base with this observation?
Just a thought, I don't get many, but when I do I feel an irrepressable
urge to share them.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:49:54 -0600
From: "David J. Baldwin"
Subject: Re: 93'STX 4x4
Cassis, John wrote:
> So how do you come up with a formula to get back to stock gear ratio? Or
> do you jut try to locate 4:10's? That seems like a real big jump in
> gearing to me? It realy does'nt seem like it would be real hard to do
John, I agree with those who advise you to re-gear your truck. I don't
know the height of the stock tires and don't remember what they were on
your new ones, but I am assuming that you can find out. If you can, you
need to compensate for the increase in size of your tires with a
corresponding change in gearing. So:
New gear ratio = old gear ratio * (new tire height / old tire
For example, if you have 3.73:1 rear end gears now, you old tire was 28"
tall, and the new ones are 32" tall, you need a gear ratio of:
New ratio = (3.73)*(32"/28") = 4.26:1
Some will make the argument that you should measure the distance from
the road surface to axle centerline, and this is correct, but since
there are limited choices on gear sets anyway, I don't think you need to
sweat it. Like in the above calculation, could you find a set of 4.26
gears? Probably not. You will have to make the choice to go up or down
to the nearest available. Since you are towing in hilly terrain and
have a 3.0L, I'd recommend up (numerically--gets you more torque
> is. This is my second 4x4 and as far as I new the gearing had to be the
> same or you would blow the t-case all to hell.
If you change the rear, you've got to change the front.
> Could someone explain to me what a kat back system is? I've herd of them
> but how does it work? What exactly does it do? And most of all how
> expensive is it?
Cat-back means replacement of the exhaust system from the output of the
catalytic converter out with a more free-flowing system. How much will
this get you? Good question. The catalyst is one of the more
restrictive things in the system, so replacing everything after it may
not have as much effect as just removing the cat and leaving everything
else! Of course, this is illegal. I believe that there are more
free-flowing catalysts on the market (I haven't found any on the
web--anyone else know of a website), but I believe that the stock system
must be in need of replacement before you can legally change the
catalyst. I think the common "need of replacement" guideline is 50K
miles. It might be different in different states, so check it out
first--before you have emissions testing problems. There are also
emissions-legal headers available for some engines. I don't know if
there are any available for your truck.
Borla makes a cat-back for your truck. Check out this page.
I saw you letter and I had the same problem..
My resulution was to turbo charge my 2.3 using a turbo from a '88 Merkur
There's a pic of it in my web page
Ford SVO also makes a nice cam for the 2.3
If you have any questions contact me at BiggRanger AOL.COM
There is a recall out for the automatic transmission cable on some if
not all '97 F-150's, it is recall # 97586. I just happened to stop by my
dealer to have them sign off on the pre-delivery checklist and when the
service rep put my VIN into the computer it popped up with the recall
info. I don't know what build dates it covers but mine is 4/97 and I
have the 4R70W transmission.
Also I would like any info on where I can order a set of nerf bars. I'm
leaning towards Westins because they say they are bolt ons using
existing holes and I like the look. I know some of you out there have
Westins so if you let me know what I can expect doing the install I
would appreciate it. As always any and all feedback is appreciated.
-I mailed about 2 weeks ago about a "knocking" coming
from the engine of my 87 ranger. It turned out to need
an engine! I opted to upgrade to a newer truck and found
a 94 splash I like. I wondered if anyone could give me any
good/bad info on this truck? Its a supercab 4X4 with 39,000
miles (and from my test drive it seemed to have really low
rearend!) The axle code is R6 and the serial number is:
It has the 4 liter with the 5-speed and I guess what I REALLY
wanna know is: Is this 5-speed the infamous light-duty Mazda
known for early failures? I'm hoping someone can tell me this
from the vin. I also wanted to know what people thought I should
pay for this truck -it's going for 13,900 and as near as the book
tells me its worth 15,300. Is this a reasonable price?
Any input about this would be greatly appreciated -I'm
fixing to sell my soul if I buy it (13,900 is HARD for me
to cover!) I can say it was a BLAST to drive and I really
was surprised to feel how much more fun it was then my 87
truck. Thanks in advance,
(87 Ranger supercab 4X4)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:37:17 -0600
Subject: $1700 for a transfer case?!? '95 F150
My friendly (?) Ford dealer is quoting me a price of $1700 for a rebuilt
Borg Warner 13-56 transfer case for my '95 F150.
That doesn't include labor for taking it off
or putting it back on. This seems pretty outrageous, doesn't it, or is
it just the way it is? Anyway, I've started looking at some other shops
to compare prices.....
Anybody have a line on where I could get one more reasonably? I
could get an automatic transmission rebuilt for that kind of money...
Thanks for letting me rant...
Currently incredibly upset Ford owner...
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:41:07 -0500
From: Mitch Biarsky
Subject: Ford sets recall of 1.1 million vehicles
Ford sets recall of 1.1 million vehicles
October 30, 1997 2:59 PM EST
DETROIT (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co. said Thursday it is recalling 1.1
vehicles in the United States and Canada for safety reasons, including
F-Series full-size pickup trucks, Expeditions and Navigators.
Ford said a transmission shift cable in some of its F-150 and F-250
trucks, as well as Expedition and Navigator full-size sport/utility
may detach from the steering column bracket fitting and cause problems
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:11:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Mail "Subject Line" in General
At 12:46 PM 10/30/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I have been following this list for a little while now. Also, I am
>relatively new to this type of forum, so please cut me a little slack if
>my comment/observation is something that has been gone over. I looked
>for an FAQ, but didn't see one. Again, maybe in my newness I missed it.
Its out of date and is undergoing a major re-write (subject lines
will be covered in the new one). The web site is going to blow
everyone away when the changes come on line. Its going to take another
3-4 weeks before its uploaded.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:03:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Static cling window stickers
My wife, Peggy, will be mailing out the final batch of Ford Truck
Enthusiasts static cling window stickers tomorrow afternoon.
Tomorrow evening, there will be a posting of all names of who
should receive stickers and how many. All those who have donated
to keep our services going will be included on this list. If you
do not see your name on it or the order amount is incorrect please
email me and I'll get it straightened out ASAP.
For those who don't know what I'm talking about please point your
web browser to: http://www.ford-trucks.com/sticker.html for full
Sorry for the major delays. If anyone slips through the cracks
let me know.
Additionally, as some of you may already know: my wife Peggy is
now handling about 50% of the behind the scenes administration
chores and will soon handle 95%. This will allow me to participate
fully in the discussion groups and chat more often with the friends
I've made here. It will also let me develop the site so it has
more resources for us. (Live IRC/web chat will soon be a once a
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