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fordtrucks80up-digest Wednesday, October 29 1997 Volume 01 : Number 196



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In this issue:

K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0 ["Bryce T. Beyler" ]
Center console ["Steve Brown" ]
Re: Center console [Thom Cheney ]
Air-Bag Compatible Grill Guards ["Bryce T. Beyler" ]
Ranger tow hook placement ["Bryce T. Beyler" ]
1997 Ford F350 PowerStroke [Jan Campbell ]
Re: Ranger tow hook placement [James Forrest ]
Re: K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0 [James Forrest ]
Re: Possible Power Steering Pump Problems ["S. Spaulding"
Spam? [Ken Justice ]
Re: (Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End ["Steve Irving"
New member to the list ["Karen and Melissa Lublin" ]
Re: Automatic hubs and an embarrassing incident [Jason Lester
fan clutch [yhtlines surfari.net]
Bronco II 2.8 to 4.0 conversion [Earl Nickerson
Re: K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0 [JOUZA1 aol.com]
Re: Possible Power Steering Pump Problems [quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadra]

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:59:54 -0500
From: "Bryce T. Beyler"
Subject: K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0

I'm looking at getting a K&N Filter for my '97 Ranger 4x4 4.0 this week and
was wondering what a good price is for this item. I've been quoted $45 for
one in stock and $37 for one that they could get for me in about 24 hours
from local shops. Also If anyone has it handy, what is the part number for
this filter, so the local yahoos don't get me the wrong part.

Thanks,
Bryce

'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:31:12 -0600
From: "Steve Brown"
Subject: Center console

I am contemplating building a more functional center console than what came
in my 95 (bucket seats & plastic console between).

Anyone done this? Is cabinet wood, MDF (medium density fiberboard), or ???
a better material to use? (Both solid wood & MDF handle water MUCH better
than particle board!). I would probably have it professionally upholstered
since I have toyed with some vinyl & had NO success whatsoever.

If you've done it...can you post a simple description of the materials you
used...or if you have bought a custom-made piece, could you describe the
materials used ($$$ would be helpful)

I'm thinking storage space (CD's, etc.) + cupholders + ABS panel (with
concealing cover) to hold audio equip. and CB.

Any experiences would be appreciated,

steve

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:19:49 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Center console

Steve Brown wrote:
>
> I am contemplating building a more functional center console than what came
> in my 95 (bucket seats & plastic console between).
> >
> I'm thinking storage space (CD's, etc.) + cupholders + ABS panel (with
> concealing cover) to hold audio equip. and CB.
>
> Any experiences would be appreciated,
>


ya know... an outfit called Tuffy makes some Jeep boxes that are
pretty cool. They have lockable storage that is the next best thing
to bullet-proof. As I understand it, they include a spot to locate
some audio equipment that is VERY secure & also some nifty cup
holders. I've seen them advertise in most of the 4X mags.

good luck.... if you go the home-built model: look for a product
called medite (or was it medex!?!!?). Same look as MDF, but composed
of resin. Saw a piece that had been underwater for a few weeks
without expanding or coming apart. Slightly more $$$.

- --
Thom Cheney
Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:27:06 -0500
From: "Bryce T. Beyler"
Subject: Air-Bag Compatible Grill Guards

I've seen some Grill Guards claiming to be Air-Bag Compatible. What is
this all about??? Does it mean that a non-compatible grill guard would
cause the air-bag to not work properly in an accident or does it mean it
will set off the air-bag if I bump something with the grill guard? I'm
just starting to shop around for one and some ads had this claim.

Thanks,
Bryce
'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:32:03 -0500
From: "Bryce T. Beyler"
Subject: Ranger tow hook placement

I want to get some tow hooks for my '97 Ranger and was wondering where
people have been mounting them (front and back). Also, will the tow hooks
on the '98 Rangers mount onto the '97's with out too much modification???

Bryce
'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:37:31 -0500
From: Jan Campbell
Subject: 1997 Ford F350 PowerStroke

Help: I am experiencing a loud hum borderlining a vibration in the
1500-2000 rpm range. This sounds, to me, as it may be coming from the
transmission. Has anyone experienced this or could anyone shed any
light on this, or is it normal?

Thanks to all for any input.

Matt Campbell

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:34:08 -0500
From: James Forrest
Subject: Re: Ranger tow hook placement

I mounted my tow hook on my 96 ranger on the frame where the bracket
attaches the bumper onto the frame. It should be the small inlet next
to the liscence plate bracket and where the valance is. (My valance was
actually ripped off when I was being pulled out of mud with the hook) If
I am not mistaken, you will need to remove the air scoop directly behind
the valance in order to install the hook in this position. It is only
four screws, so it is simple to remove. Hooks only cost around 10
dollars or so, so you would probably be better off purchasing one from
an aftermarket dealer. If anyone knows any other places to mount the
hook I would also be happy to know.
James



I want to get some tow hooks for my '97 Ranger and was wondering where
people have been mounting them (front and back). Also, will the tow
hooks
on the '98 Rangers mount onto the '97's with out too much
modification???

Bryce
'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:37:11 -0500
From: James Forrest
Subject: Re: K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0

I got my K&N Filter for 32 dollars at a local off road center. They
also got it within 24 hours. I can't remember the part number but try
to go onto their webpage to see if it is listed there(
wwwknfilters.com)
James





Subject:
K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0
Date:
Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:59:54 -0500
From:
"Bryce T. Beyler"
Reply-To:
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To:
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I'm looking at getting a K&N Filter for my '97 Ranger 4x4 4.0 this week
and
was wondering what a good price is for this item. I've been quoted $45
for
one in stock and $37 for one that they could get for me in about 24
hours
from local shops. Also If anyone has it handy, what is the part number
for
this filter, so the local yahoos don't get me the wrong part.

Thanks,
Bryce

'97 Ranger XLT 4x4 SuperCab

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:19:19 -0800
From: "S. Spaulding"
Subject: Re: Possible Power Steering Pump Problems

My '91 has been noisy since day one. It now has 108k miles. Watch out
for the growling A/C clutch, though!

quadrai wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a 1994 Ford F150 4X4 and one thing I question is the
> Power Steering pump. It whines when you load it (make a turn)and a very low
> sound when driving normal. Need comments.
> Is this typical or should I expect a problem ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:54:48 +0000
From: Ken Justice
Subject: Spam?

Hello Silent Bob!
I really don't think I "spamed" you by telling you about my great (and I
think it is great) invention to help all of us pickup drivers. I have
driven a pickup for the last 30 years and always had a problem with
keeping my stuff in place. Is it really wrong to let other people know
about a good idea or should we all reinvent the wheel?
I probably throw half of my mail away as it is "junk mail" but every
once in a while I get something I appreciate hearing about. That's why I
don't let junk mail bother me. I throw it away or delete it. But I
always check first to see if it is something that may be of use to me.
Sorry if I upset you.
Ken Justice
Discover the Working Mat!
www.workingmat.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:33:56 -0700
From: "Steve Irving"
Subject: Re: (Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End

My local dealer just went over the front end of my '96 for the same problem.
The front crossmember (near the steering gearbox) is riveted to the frame,
and the rivets came loose. I checked them and they didn't seem loose to
me......
Dealer drilled them out and replaced with some pretty hefty bolts, nuts,
washers......cured the problem.



Subject: (Fwd) 1994 F150 with Noise in Front End


I recently purchased a 1994 F-150 at an auction and have
noticed that there is a clunking noise that seems to be coming from
the front end at low speeds and turns. Anyone have any thoughts on
this.

Also, I've found that there is a service bulletin #962315 that
describes such a problem and would like to know how I can get a look
at it. Any ideas?

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:16:33 -0500
From: "Karen and Melissa Lublin"
Subject: New member to the list

Hello everyone:

I am a new subscriber to the list. I am 18 and currently own 2 Ford
trucks and a van. I have had 5 Ford trucks and 2 Ford vans in the last 2
1/2 years. My Favorite Ford engines are the 300 Six and the 351V8.
I have had the best luck with the 300 Six out of all the different engines
I have had.

Chris "Lube" Lublin
lublin tir.com

Ford Trucks I have had: 1968 F-350 Stake, 390 V8, 4spd. 1977 F-150, 351M
V8, C-6 auto, Swapped in F-250 Rear end. 1984 F-150, 300 Six, C-5? auto,
blew, burned, and leaked oil but still ran! 1972 Ford E-100 Cargo Van,
302 V8, C-4 auto.

Ford trucks we currently have: 1981 F-150, my current daily driver, 300
SIx, C-6 auto This truck is painted Camo with 31 inch mudders on rear,(only
2wd). I have put this truck through hell and back and she still keeps
ticking, Ugliest truck in Lapeer county and possibly the state of MI!
1982 E-100 Cargo van, 300 CI Six, 3 on the tree, almost as ugly as my
'81. 1985 F-150, 300 Six, 4spd overdrive. 1989 Ranger 4X4, 2.9 V6
currently but will have 351M V8 when I get it, Moms truck.

I would rather push start my 300 Six than drive a Chevy!

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:55:11 -0500
From: Jason Lester
Subject: Re: Automatic hubs and an embarrassing incident

Sorry to hear about your hub failure. Of course it had to follow Murphy's
law. Getting towed out by an S-10 is just icing on the cake! If it were
my truck (I have a '97 Power Stroke with manual hubs, thank God), I would
probably go ahead and put on either Warn or Milemarker manual hubs. It may
void your warranty (surely only on the parts related to the hubs ..
right?), but would definitely give you peace of mine when in the middle of
nowhere. If a warranty issue came up, I'd firmly make my case that the
auto hubs failed you in the worst possible place and you didn't trust them
to get you home if it ever happened again. I don't see how they could deny
you warranty service then. I'm sure my local dealer wouldn't.

Jason
- ---
Visit the Power Stroke page:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:15:34
From: yhtlines surfari.net
Subject: fan clutch

David, just dropped in on your fan clutch situation.

I usta have a 83 ranger with the clutch, I never heard it run, even when
the engine overheated, as I don't think it ever locked up. I suspect it was
'broken' as I never heard it lock up. We live in a coastal area that rarely
exceeds 80 deg.

We recently bought an F150 and the clutch was locked up solid, and you
could tell it was locked up as the fan made a terrible roar. We replaced
this one with a new one with an (extra cost) thermostat built in. The
copper coil kind.

I'm curious how the 'ordinary' clutches with out an external thermostat
work, or rather actuate? Do they work at low speed and slip at higher
speed? I don't believe that a working clutch would be locked up with the
engine not running.

DAVID WROTE:
>
>Could this be a matter of leave well enough alone?? I'm a
>little concerned that if the clutch is bad, and the fan is always turning
at engine
>speed, the engine will never quite make it to proper operating temp.

The thermostat will determine engine temperature, not the fan. Fan clutches
are a fairly new 'stock' item, now installed by mfg's (I believe)in the
pursuit of engine economy. In the sixties and before most autos did not
have them. Your gas mileage will suffer, and the fan noise will be loud!

>Using all the force I can muster, I am unable
>to move it *at all* either first thing in the morning or just after
shutting down
>the engine after a long drive, i.e., there is no slippage at all at any
time.

I would not hesitate to say that your clutch is locked up. Replace it and
mileage will increase and you now will be able to hear the radio better,
and maybe hear your engine also. Its a fairly simple job (Liar!), 40 bucks,
and life will be better.
Dave Lampert

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:32:52 -0500
From: Earl Nickerson
Subject: Bronco II 2.8 to 4.0 conversion


Hi , I was wondering if any one has done this type of conversion , and
if so could you please pass any information  about this process .
The  things like cost , availability of parts ,  reliability
as an every day driver ?
Do I need to regear the rears , put a heavier suspension under the
front end ?? do I need to cut the drive shaft ? I mean ANY information
regardless how trivial .
  Thanks very much , in advance , Earl Nickerson

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:04:06 -0500 (EST)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: Re: K&N Filter Price for '97 Ranger 4.0

i paid 30 from summit and the part # is 33-2024

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:34:17 -0800
From: quadrai oberon.ark.com (quadrai)
Subject: Re: Possible Power Steering Pump Problems

Interesting

Can you expain further on the clutch. I have a standard 5 sp

Thanks,

Tim

>My '91 has been noisy since day one. It now has 108k miles. Watch out
>for the growling A/C clutch, though!
>
>quadrai wrote:
>>
>> I recently purchased a 1994 Ford F150 4X4 and one thing I question is the
>> Power Steering pump. It whines when you load it (make a turn)and a very low
>> sound when driving normal. Need comments.
>> Is this typical or should I expect a problem ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980 and Newer --------------+
>> | Send posts to fordtrucks80up listservice.net, |
>> | Send Unsubscribe requests to fordtrucks80up-request listservice.net |
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