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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, October 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 194



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In this issue:

Re: Stainless Steel ["Jeff Wey" ]
Re: Lets try this again....Spring differences ["Dave Resch"
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #193 [Bill Funk ]
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers ["Dave Resch"
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [jsruss postoffice.worldne]
Re: Hard Tonneaus [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [Calvin Ford
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [jsruss postoffice.worldne]
Transfer Case problem [FOMOCONUT aol.com]
tonneaus [Psnowball aol.com]
Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [Ken Payne
Re: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers [Psnowball aol.com]
Re: ranger driveshaft [Dave Armbruster ]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #191 [GoEIB1 aol.com]
84 Bronco II cold/hot air valve ["Erik J. O'Daniel"
Re: Lifter Replacement ["Mark J. Salvetti" ]
Throttle Body [JOUZA1 aol.com]

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 03:21:04 -0500
From: "Jeff Wey"
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel

Judy,I installed stainless steel fenderwell trim on my ranger.It looked
great until winter set in ,the road salt/cinder caused little dents and
pits all over it.I would imagine the same thing will happen to the bug
deflector and probably the step bars also since your tires will kick
rocks/salt/cinders up into the bars.The same thing happened to the
stainless trim on the box of our new squad,tried scrubbing polishing waxing
nothing helps.I also noticed some stainless trim has a clear covering this
looks great till it chips then it yellows and peels(really ugly) just my
experience,PS I bought a new set of fenderwell trim and will swap the old
set when winter arrives. Jeff

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> From: Judy Thill (MG MSMAIL)
> To: 'Ford Truck Questions To List'
> Subject: Stainless Steel
> Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 1:56 PM
>
> Another question on additions to my new F150. I desperately need step
> bars (I am only 5'6). I was looking at the Westin chrome which are
> warranted for 5 years. However, someone else has a new stainless steel
> version with a lifetime warranty. I also saw a stainless aerodynamic
> bug deflector. Looks like chrome. I like the looks of both. Anyone
> have any opinions on using stainless products to dress up their truck
> and how well they really last, especially with harsh Minnesota winters?
>
>
> Judy Thill
> Fire Operations Officer
> Maple Grove Fire Department
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:08:50 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: Lets try this again....Spring differences

>From: Mobleaudio aol.com
>Subject: Lets try this again....Spring differences
>
>I posted this question before, but nobody answered me. I have a 1988 f/s
>Bronco. A friend gave me the lift out of his 88 F-250. I already have a
4"
>Rancho lift, so i have the brackets that i need, and i got the new ones
that
>were needed. I wanted to know if the front leaf springs from an F-250
will
>work in place of the rear leaf springs in my Bronco. Any help would be
>greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Yo Leslie:

The front leaf springs on an F250 4x4 have a negative arch, that is the
ends are arched down, not up. Unless you had the springs re-arched to
change them to a positive arch, they would not work at all. Otherwise,
compare the ends of the springs (position of the eyes, top or bottom) and
length from eye to eye on your original springs with the ones you want to
use. Also compare the width of the leafs. In general, I would doubt that
the F250 front springs are compatible w/ the Bronco's rear suspension.
Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:26:35 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #193

> From: David Hertzberg
> Subject: Oil pressure saga/Fan clutch
>
> To conclude--for the time being anyway--the saga of my oil pressure
> problem: I
> went to NAPA and got a 6 dollar oil pressure switch for the truck,
> installed it,
> and now the needle on the gauge on the dash goes right to the middle
> (with the old
> switch, the needle would hover at the "L" mark). Also, the needle now
> does not
> move when I switch fuel tanks. Nor does the needle appear to move
> when I
> accelerate or decelerate. Bottom line: the gague still doesn't tell
> me a damn
> thing, but seeing that needle in the middle of the pressure range sure
> makes me
> feel better! :-)
>

The switch you got is of the on-off type. Most gauges are designed so
that, with the switch 'on', the needle will be in the middle of the
gauge.For most purposes, this is like an idiot light - if the pressure
is adequate, the neddle registers just fine; otherwise, the needle will
show no pressure.
If you want a gauge that shows actual pressure (or a close
representation of that), my experience says there's nothing that works
like a mechanical gauge, with it's oil-filled tube running to it.

> I have yet another question for the list and would appreciate any
> advice. Is it a
> rule of thumb that if you cannot manually move the fan when the engine
> is cold
> (i.e., left overnight) then the fan clutch has gone bad? Are there
> any
> exceptions to this? I know that when I start my truck in the am, the
> fan
> turns; my assumption is that it is not supposed to turn until the
> engine
> reaches a certain temperature. Is this so?? Thanks. David

A viscous-coupling fan clutch will always make the fan turn; that's the
way it's built. The coupling allows the fan to turn slower than the pump
if the engine is cool, and the coupling stiffens as it gets warmer,
allowing less fan slip, forcing more air through the radiator. The
slippage amount you feel is a matter of experience; there will always be
*some* slippage, less as the engine is hot. How much is appropriate is a
*feel* thing you get over time. If there's no drag on the fan, the
clutch is bad. Likeways, if there's no slippage, the clutch is shot.
Inbetween these extremes, it's very difficult to describe how the fan
should "feel". Often, even an experienced mechanic will miss the feel of
a particular fan.Rule of thumb (a complicated thumb, in this situation):
if the cap is good, there have been no changes made under the hood, the
coolant isn't leaking, the hoses are good, and the radiator is clean,
and the water pump is functioning correctly, it's a fairly safe bet that
the fan clutch is going bad if there is an overheating situation, even
if the fan has the right 'feel', *if* the overheating occurs during idle
or heavy throttle use, but not under normal highway driving. (See what I
mean by a complicated thumb?)

Bill Funk

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:38:30 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

>From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>Subject: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers
>
>Hello List members ,
>All this talk about rev limiters and fuel cut off has got me wanting
>to express my opinion on this . First , going 100mph+ in a Ranger or
>any vehicle on a public road is illegal and very dangerous ! Second ,
>why would someone want to go 100mph+ in a truck that is not made for
>such speed (tires , design , etc.) Usually these are the people that
>end up killing others!! In my opinion if you want to go so fast go to
>a speed way .. It's a good thing Ford has a speed limiter because
>you might end up dead . This is not a flame to anyone just a
>reminder that there are others and their families on the same roads
>you drive .
Yo JR:
Lighten up! First, there are public roads in this country where going 100+
mph is not illegal, and there are vehicles (maybe Rangers, maybe others) in
which 100+ mph is not a dangerous speed. Second, why would anyone want to
restrict the freedom of others or make their decisions for them? Usually,
these are the people who, thinking they know what's best for everyone else,
and with the best of intentions, want to control other people and eliminate
any risks in life and wind up trading freedom and liberty for a promise of
security or safety!! These are the people who, in their infinite wisdom
(and hubris) forced us to buy the airbags that now kill our children and
grandparents.

In My opinion, anyone who drives over 20 mph is a menace to public safety
and all manufacturers should put a speed control device on all their
vehicles to prevent such wanton and reckless anti-social behavior, and if
they did it, it would be a good thing because you could end up dead!!!!

Oh, and of course, this is not a flame to anyone, just a reminder that
there are people who can think for themselves and prefer to make their own
choices, and that some of us don't need big brother or Mom holding our
hands all the way through life because we might fall and scrape our knees
or even screw up and do something stupid. Y'know, that's the price you pay
to live in a free society, and if that bothers you, then you can find
plenty of places in this world where you could go and no longer be
threatened with the danger of other people's freedom.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:48:07 +0000
From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

Dave ,
Wow dude you sure got a problem ! Where are these road that are
public that you can go 100+ ? You sound like one of these guys that
live off the land and are anti-government .




From: "Dave Resch"
To: fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net
Reply-to: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 22:38:30 +0000


>From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
>Subject: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers
>
>Hello List members ,
>All this talk about rev limiters and fuel cut off has got me wanting
>to express my opinion on this . First , going 100mph+ in a Ranger or
>any vehicle on a public road is illegal and very dangerous ! Second ,
>why would someone want to go 100mph+ in a truck that is not made for
>such speed (tires , design , etc.) Usually these are the people that
>end up killing others!! In my opinion if you want to go so fast go to
>a speed way .. It's a good thing Ford has a speed limiter because
>you might end up dead . This is not a flame to anyone just a
>reminder that there are others and their families on the same roads
>you drive .
Yo JR:
Lighten up! First, there are public roads in this country where going 100+
mph is not illegal, and there are vehicles (maybe Rangers, maybe others) in
which 100+ mph is not a dangerous speed. Second, why would anyone want to
restrict the freedom of others or make their decisions for them? Usually,
these are the people who, thinking they know what's best for everyone else,
and with the best of intentions, want to control other people and eliminate
any risks in life and wind up trading freedom and liberty for a promise of
security or safety!! These are the people who, in their infinite wisdom
(and hubris) forced us to buy the airbags that now kill our children and
grandparents.

In My opinion, anyone who drives over 20 mph is a menace to public safety
and all manufacturers should put a speed control device on all their
vehicles to prevent such wanton and reckless anti-social behavior, and if
they did it, it would be a good thing because you could end up dead!!!!

Oh, and of course, this is not a flame to anyone, just a reminder that
there are people who can think for themselves and prefer to make their own
choices, and that some of us don't need big brother or Mom holding our
hands all the way through life because we might fall and scrape our knees
or even screw up and do something stupid. Y'know, that's the price you pay
to live in a free society, and if that bothers you, then you can find
plenty of places in this world where you could go and no longer be
threatened with the danger of other people's freedom.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M




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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:15:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Hard Tonneaus

In a message dated 97-10-27 17:14:34 EST, you write:



I do not know about the tonneaus , but I've been happy with my A.R.E. cap.
For the money I spent on mine, versus what my friend spent on his Century
the ARE was a better value. I thought the Leer prices were way too high for
caps.

Dave >>


I have a tonneau and I LOVE it. Was $250 to buy and have installed (frogive
me, it was before I learned how easy it really is). For the first five years
I can get a completely new cover if it gets torn or collapses, etc. free.
After that...I'm not sure.

Craig

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:55:54 -0800
From: Calvin Ford
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

At 10:48 AM 10/27/97 , you wrote:
>Dave ,
>Wow dude you sure got a problem ! Where are these road that are
>public that you can go 100+ ? You sound like one of these guys that
>live off the land and are anti-government .

MONTANA!!!!!

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Calvin Ford | Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if
cford bmi.net | you don't take it out and use it
IZCC#588 '78 280Z | it's going to rust!
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:24:20 +0000
From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

Yah that is what I was thinking , but did not want to say it .



To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
From: Calvin Ford
Reply-to: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 23:55:54 +0000

At 10:48 AM 10/27/97 , you wrote:
>Dave ,
>Wow dude you sure got a problem ! Where are these road that are
>public that you can go 100+ ? You sound like one of these guys that
>live off the land and are anti-government .

MONTANA!!!!!

=====================================================
Calvin Ford | Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if
cford bmi.net | you don't take it out and use it
IZCC#588 '78 280Z | it's going to rust!
=====================================================


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:21:53 -0500 (EST)
From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
Subject: Transfer Case problem

Hello fellow listers....
Got one for anyone having knowledge of the late model transfer cases which I
am not to appraised of myself. One of my Marines has a 86 fullsize Bronco,
302 auto, with the manually operated transfer case, manual hubs. He first
told me of his problem while he was in the midst of changing transmission
fluid and filter. He had high hopes that this would cure his trucks woes. He
told me the truck would not pull.. (move) unless he put the transfer case
into Low Range. I of course examined the old fluid and filter, it looked fine
so I told him to let me see this thing once he had it back together. Here is
the deal.... yes it does operate in low range... very normaly, but if you put
the transfer case into either two wheel high or four wheel high there is a
nasty grinding sound coming from the case, just like when don't quite have a
case in gear all the way. Along with the noise..very bad to say the least,
the truck does not have any power applied to either front or rear diffs in
the high ranges, hence the no movement. Any suggestions as to what may have
happened inside this case or as to whether or not it is worth going inside to
try and fix it would be greatly appreciated. Anyone having one of these cases
which they would like to sell to a needy Marine Lance Corporal let me know
and I will be glad to make his day. Hey this is this poor kids first truck..
he just got it not too long ago.... I sure hope he doesn't get discouraged
with Fords before he gets this fixed... I am going to do what I can ...

John L. Miller

96 F-350 4x4
68 F-250 4x4
92 Mustang

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:29:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Psnowball aol.com
Subject: tonneaus

OK. I give up. What are they? I saw some messages about them. I put a
bedliner on my new truck. Should I have gotten something else instead?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:47:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

At 06:48 PM 10/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Dave ,
>Wow dude you sure got a problem ! Where are these road that are
>public that you can go 100+ ? You sound like one of these guys that
>live off the land and are anti-government .
>
>

Montana for one, during day light hours most highways have this
on the sign:

Trucks over X wheels: xx MPH
Cars: Reasonable and Prudent (or something to that effect,
its up to the cop to decide if you were being safe and if your
vehicle could handle it)

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:14:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Psnowball aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: All this stuff about high speed in Rangers

same here. I'd just as soon not be on the road with people who feel the need
to go so fast. I'll be the one in the second lane over doing the speed
limit. Wave as you go by.

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:08:42 -0600
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: ranger driveshaft

>>I have a 97 ranger 4x4 supercab with a two piece driveshaft. Ford tells
>>me to lubricate the slip yoke every 5000 miles or so on the driveshafts.
>>However, ford customer assistance can't tell me where on the driveshaft
>>this yoke is located (rear driveshaft). It isn't where the shaft joins
>>the tranny (5 speed) and I hate to take the driveshaft down if there is
>>not really a slip yoke to lubricate..Also isn't this mileage kind of
>>premature for this service? Any ideas out there?
>>
>
>The slip-yoke should be where the two halves of the driveline meet, there
>may be a carrier bearing. You shouldn't have to take the driveline down to
>lube it......should have a grease fitting.

Allan,

I think that lube point that they are refering to is on the front axle, not
on the rear driveshaft.

There is a center carrier bearing on the 4X4 S/C Ranger driveshaft, just
about right under the middle of the cab, and as near as I can tell there is
no Zurk (is that right spelling?) fitting for a grease gun. I think this
is pretty standard, things like replacement U-Joints and carrier bearings
have grease fittings, while factory parts many times do not.

Anyway, the RH Axle Shaft Slip Yoke is the one that is connected to the
passenger's side of the differential in the front, it should be on the
pumpkin side of the axle shaft. The axle shaft connects to the
differential with a u-joint, goes into the slip yoke, then to the half
shaft and then into another u-joint on the inside of the hub. I guess the
yoke is needed to compensate for the wheel travel in the TTB suspension.

I can scan a diagram that shows it's location and send it to you if you
would like me to, email me personally. If there is another lube point that
is on the rear driveshaft, I haven't found it and it is not mentioned in
the manuals, but I could definitely be mistaken.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:10:54 -0500 (EST)
From: GoEIB1 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #191

In a message dated 10/26/97 6:01:56 AM, you wrote:


leave my tailgate on or take it off and put on one of those net things?>>

The car experts Click & Clack got a response to this question in reguards to
fuel mileage. Basically, after extensive wind tunnel tests, a pickup has MORE
drag with the tail gate down or removed. Leave it on.

Pete

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:57:26 +0000
From: "Erik J. O'Daniel"
Subject: 84 Bronco II cold/hot air valve

I think the valve that controls the hot air/cold air delivery may be
bad.

Firstly, when started in cold weather, it doesn't appear to move the flap that
would block the cold air and open the hot air passage. (I thought it
was cold enough - but how cold does it need to be?) Secondly,
when I pulled vacuum line and manually moved the flap, then covered
the vacuum-in on the valve, the flap moves back a bit - but not all
the way. Thirdly, visually it doesn't appear that the flap provides
a good seal that would prevent cold air from entering - and this is
when I manually move it as far as it goes.. Possibly it doesn't need
a great seal - but the gap seems quite large.

Also, even when started cold and I jump out and manually move the
flap, I can't see/hear that anything is performing differently.
Is the difference noticeable? And even once the engine is up to
normal temperature and I manually move the flap nothing happens.
Is this normal?

Erik O'Daniel

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:10:38 -0500
From: "Mark J. Salvetti"
Subject: Re: Lifter Replacement

Sorry for the bandwidth, but last week I posted a question for a friend =
who was having problems replacing lifters on a 1989 Bronco with a 5.0L. =
He had tried two sets, and each time the lifter noise was louder than =
before.

I got one reply from Phil Dyson (who suggested camshaft wear), but I =....


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