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fordtrucks80up-digest Tuesday, October 21 1997 Volume 01 : Number 179



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In this issue:

RE: Dual tank question [David Hertzberg ]
Re: Off-Road Equipment [BigDogF250 aol.com]
RE: F350 w/ two batteries [David Hertzberg ]
Re: Tornado [JAMES ]
Sports car interior [BigDogF250 aol.com]
non-painted big block [dean etgn14.webo.dg.com (Baruffi)]
Re: Gas mileage [Bill Funk ]
Re: Tornado [Geoffrey Hoffman ]
Re: Tornado [Todd Metzger ]
Re: Tornado [Ken Payne ]
Re: 4 cylinder Ranger needs more h.p. [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Tornado [KSMIKE ]
Re: F350 w/ two batteries ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: Exhaust ["Dave Resch"]
Re: Gas mileage... ["David J. Baldwin" ]
RE: RE: Dual Tank Problem. [Tony Rio ]
Re: Tornado [Thom Cheney ]
Re: Tornado [Thom Cheney ]
RE: FELP. No power up hill and doesn't stay running ["Dave Resch"
Re: Tornado ["David J. Baldwin" ]
Re: 10W-30 for diesels [Jay Chlebowski ]
Re: Tornado [Geoffrey Hoffman ]
Re: Tornado [Ken Payne ]
none [James Forrest ]
RE: FELP. Bad bearings?? - was-No power up hill and doesn't stay running [Michael Wray

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 05:18:52 PDT
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: RE: Dual tank question

Tony:

You wrote that you "have always been extremly careful to never switch tanks unless
the truck was off." Why is that? I only switch tanks when I am driving; my
assumption has been (and please tell me if I am wrong!) that the switch to go from
one tank to the other will not function unless the engine (and by extention, the
voltage to power the switch) Could it be that the source of your problem with the
front tank is that you should be switching tanks when driving?? David
>

David and Leila Hertzberg
Greystoke Farm
Gaithersburg, Maryland
301-482-0016
ACdhertz us-state.osis.gov


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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 06:46:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Re: Off-Road Equipment

I have Air lockers on my F-250 and rather than spend the time learning how to
do axle work i just had a shop install them. I did find however that they
are less expensive to install when you do a gear swap along with it, cost of
the unit w/o installation is around $800-900 depending on the truck.
Matt

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 05:41:21 PDT
From: David Hertzberg
Subject: RE: F350 w/ two batteries

On my f250 diesel there is a warning sticker not to use the battery on the driver's
side to jump start the vehicle. apparently doing so will destroy the electrical
system. the cigarette lighter sounds a little odd to me. good luck





>I have a friend with an F350/PowerStroke (Deisel) Crew Cab who is
>having trouble figuring out how to jump-start another vehicle given the t=
>wo
>battery setup. (Doesn't seem to be anything in the manual and he's not
>heard back from Customer support at his dealership.)
>
> The questions are: Does anyone know the proper hookup for jumping? Wil=
>l
>one of those Cigarette-Lighter to C-L hookups work? Any worries on the
>current running down the line to the target battery?
>
> Any other info, tips, or caveats would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> + Steve Field 20-Oct-1997 18:38:03 PT
> email: Scionyx Compuserve.com
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David and Leila Hertzberg
Greystoke Farm
Gaithersburg, Maryland
301-482-0016
ACdhertz us-state.osis.gov


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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 06:57:48 -0400
From: JAMES
Subject: Re: Tornado

Looks like a thinly disguised piece of spam

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Sports car interior

Does anybody else think it would be really neat to convert a sports car
interior so it can be fitted in a truck? Before you tell me im nuts just let
me say... I know i am but sometimes good ideas come out. I was looking at a
98 c****tte the other day and thought that this would be a great interior for
cruisin the trails, just let me know what you think,
Matt
92 F 250 4x4 5.8L

PS Dont be afraid to tell me im nuts

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:42:24 -0400
From: dean etgn14.webo.dg.com (Baruffi)
Subject: non-painted big block

John Miller wrote:

One other point which I had presented to
the list members and did not receive much response, my truck is equiped with
the 460 and the block was never painted from the factory. Please if anyone
out there has a '96 with a 460 look at it and tell me if they have the same.
I really want to go at Ford about this, but if all are like this... What can
I do? I am a U.S Marine and it was no small thing for me or anybody in my
opinion to purchase an F-350, these two items are really discouraging.


John, my 1997 F-250 HD 4x4 with a 460 does not have a painted block either.
I checked after a list member discussed it a few weeks back (it might have been you).
I took delivery 9/97 if that helps. I was going to mention it to the service department
when I bring it in next Monday for an oil leak and a bad tachometer.

I'll let you know what comes of it.

1997 F-250HD 4x4 Super cab, short bed, 460/5-spd :

Mods: K&N air filter, synthetic fluid (front/rear diff,
transmission, transfer case, engine), drain plug on
rear diff cover, Radio Shack CB (callsign: Cool-Aid).

Dean Baruffi mailto: dean etgn14.webo.dg.com
Holland, MA. Work: 508-898-7369



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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 05:01:25 -0700
From: Bill Funk
Subject: Re: Gas mileage

> From: LarryAll aol.com
> Subject: Gas mileage...
>
> I'm looking to improve the gas mileage on my F-250 351W. I have a K&N
> > filter
> charger on it and I'm looking to add headers at a later time. I was
> basically looking at adding a high performance coil and 8.8 Accel plug
> wires,
> but I was told at SuperShops that the engine was designed to burn at
> 100%
> already. Now I know that this couldn't be true, but I am wondering
> what good
> the coil/ ignition system would do for my gas mileage. I don't really
> want to
> spend more than about 200 bucks on the coil/ignition system. I know I
> can
> get a cleaner and more thurough burn with this, but I am kinda
> wondering why
> this guy told me not to bother. BTW, he tried to sell me a
> performance chip
> > and then backed down when I told him I wanted fuel economy. He said I
> would
> have to sacrifice gas mileage for performance. This I understand, but
> I'm
> looking to burn it all in the fire for eficiency and not waste
> anything.
> Could someone clarify what that guy talked me out of? I would really
>
> appreciate it...
> Larry...

Well, Larry, it's like this...If the cylinder fires, using a bigger
spark won't help it much. It makes no difference if the spark comes from
a D-cell or the Hoover Dam - once that cylinder fires, the spark has
done it's job.
So, why all the high-end ignition systems? Because stock systems degrade
over time, and that's a fact. If your engine is missing due to a weak
ignition system, then replacing it with a good one will solve the
problem. If there's no problem, what will a better system do?
High performance engines *do* require a high performance ignition
system. Especially at high RPMs, the stock system can be a little short
on oomph in a high-compression engine.
Here's a thought: when it comes to "performance" add-ons, ask yourself
this: "What symptom will this item cure?" If, like high-dollar ignition
wires, the answer is "nothing", why bother, except for bragging rights?
Now, if you need new wires, get whatever you want, realizing that the
low-buck set will probably do just as good. So what if that fancy red
ceramic, wire-wound, water-cooled, fully-automatic wire set for $350
will operate when the temp under the hood reaches two thousand
degrees... your engine won't be running! ;-)
Bill Funk

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:43:35 -0400
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: Re: Tornado

At 6:57 AM -0400 10/21/97, JAMES wrote:
>Looks like a thinly disguised piece of spam

i doubt it, i was curious about this as well. I was looking at it, and it
seems a bit sketchy, but there are some people who say that it is cool.

>WARNING!All unsolicited commercial e-mail will be charged a $500 U.S.
>proofreading fee.Failure to pay within 5 days of receipt of such billing
>will result in legal actions.The sending of such e-mail constitutes
>acceptance of these terms.

huh? and where does it say this?

I hate spam too, but chill out. I really doubt this was....

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Geoffrey Hoffman gch2 cornell.edu
Cornell University http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:02:21 +0000
From: Todd Metzger
Subject: Re: Tornado

> >WARNING!All unsolicited commercial e-mail will be charged a $500 U.S.
> >proofreading fee.Failure to pay within 5 days of receipt of such billing
> >will result in legal actions.The sending of such e-mail constitutes
> >acceptance of these terms.
>
> huh? and where does it say this?

I am not sure if you are talking about the unsolicited commercial e-mail or
the actual US code that this pertains to. Here is a copy of the numbers and
the rest of the official stuff. This is not to start any sort of war. I just
wanted to show everyone out there that you can be protected.


Pursuant to US Code Title 47, Ch.5, Sub-ch.II, Sect.227(a)(2)(B), a
computer/modem meet the definition of a telephone fax machine. Pursuant
to Sect.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited
advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual
monetary loss or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. Any
unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a fee
in the amount of $500US per occurance. E-mailing denotes acceptance of
these terms.

As for my opinion on the air tornado, I have heard that it is a ripoff.
Several people in the explorer newsgroup had complained about the
ineffectiveness of the air tornado a little while ago. I have had no personal
experience with it, that is just what I heard.

Todd Metzger

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:40:21 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Tornado

At 10:26 PM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Has anyone had any experience with the Tornado air management system?
>The following article was on the newswire:
>
>SANTA FE SPRINGS, Calif.--(AutomotiveWire)--Oct. 13, 1997--
>New Automotive Device Will Improve MPG!
>
>Got a gas-guzzler in the garage?
>

- -But WAIT!!! THERE'S MORE!!! Useless JC Whitney style advertising
snipped out-

How will putting anything in the intake, which causes resistance,
increase efficiency?

I can get those same "gains" simply by letting the car warm up.
The air coming through an intake system is sufficiently fast
enough to have thorough mixture of the fuel. Car companies
design the intake tract to have the least amount of turbulence
which results in less intake friction. That's what performance
intake manifolds are all about and its what polishing and porting
is all about.

This "Tornado" sounds more like a wind bag. Its not new and the
claims of some unknown and unnamed "emissions" station mean
nothing. Heck, "Billy-Bob's Gas and Grub" could have an emissions
test station.

Slick 50, Splitfires, Tornado, Duralube, fuel line magnets....
why do people think they're going to get something for nothing?
There's no magic in engines. There's no magic device or formula.
Proven techniques, such as manifolds, headers, low restrictive
exhaust, etc work. The secret to performance lies in one thing
only: reducing friction (or you can force air through the system
to help negate friction somewhat). Nothing is going to make your
gas burn "more completely." The fuel mixture is very precise and
the burn is near perfect with todays vehicles. Heck, with properly
tuned cars of 30 years ago it wasn't bad (key word: properly).

Friction in the engine occurs two ways: friction of metal pushing
oil past metal and the friction of air. An IC engine is nothing
more than an "air pump". Making it easier to move that air is
the single best performance improver.

You want to increase efficiency? Take off the air box, make your
own bigger air box and put a large filter in. This will give
you an increase in surface area that the same amount of air has
to get by - reducing friction. K&N filters? I'm skeptical.
I've seen dyno results showing 1-2 hp increases with them. In
other words, virtually no increase (less than 1%). I can get
exactly the same increases by changing out my old air filter
with a new one.

You can try your $20-$50 gimmicks if you want to. I'm going to
stick with cams, intakes, headers, polishing ports, low resistance
dual exhausts, chips, underdrive pulleys, aluminum drive shafts,
etc. All these cost money.... like I said earlier: you can't
get something for nothing.

Just my two cents (or ten in this case)....
Ken

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:13:19 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: 4 cylinder Ranger needs more h.p.

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 02:18:23 -0500 Jake Morvant
writes:
>I own a 1994 Ranger with a 2.3L I-4 engine and I need more h.p.! I
>don't
>want to spend a lot of money on modifications (no more than $100 or
>so) and
>I would like to increase power by about 10 h.p.
>Buying a K&N air filter or a Tornado air management system have been
>suggested. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>Jake

For less than $100, the K&N is your best bet, but don't expect 10hp.
Maybe 1 or 2 at most for the 2.3L motors. Plus its cheaper cleaning it....

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