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fordtrucks80up-digest Sunday, October 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 175



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In this issue:

Towing in OD [MadPoodle aol.com]
Re: Other Lists? [Ken Payne ]
Re: Throttle Body -Reply -Reply [Ken Payne ]
Bozo with autoreply [Ken Payne ]
Re: Brakes / Exhaust [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: Liners [Rendell9 aol.com]
Why does1988 Ranger with 2.0 carb exist [Nelson ]
RE:Re: Brakes / Exhaust [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: Where's the 5.0L in the Ranger [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Where's the 5.0L in the Ranger [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Exhaust [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: Liners [FOMOCONUT aol.com]
Re: Exhaust [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Re: Why does1988 Ranger with 2.0 carb exist [Geff King
RATTLE [bigguy ]
Re: RATTLE [NMurphy613 aol.com]
Re: RATTLE [Midwest96 aol.com]
5.0 engine swap [jimpitcock juno.com (Jim & Star Pitcock)]
EGR system robbing power? [Steven McCullough

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:49:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: Towing in OD

In a message dated 10/18/97 8:17:11 AM, you wrote:

>Ford, depending on exactly who you talk to, will either tell you to take
>it out of OD when it hunts, or tell you to never tow in OD. The
>"official" line is to tow in OD when the terrain or conditions allow the
>tranny to stay in OD, but when/if it shifts down, take it out of OD
>until conditions improve to the point where it will stay in OD again.

Same logic applies to manuals. Take the case of two of my F-350 flatbeds,
used for towing / hauling daily. One driver never tows heavy loads in 5th,
one does. Driver who doesn't going on 80K miles on original clutch. Driver
who does has new clutch 34K miles... Oh well, at least he still has a
job.....
Its up to the driver to pay attention to the truck. Not just look for
shifting in / out of OD, but pay attention to the engine. If its laboring
along too few RPM's, drop a gear (or, as I do, speed up till it's
comfortable. No, I don't want your tickets, I have enuff o my own) and bring
the revs up a little.
Funny, my Bronco has certain speeds around town where EOD uncomfortable.
Again, push the button or pick up the pace...

Scott

93 F250 SC
92 Bronco (very dusty OD button ;-)

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:35:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Other Lists?

At 05:23 PM 10/17/97 -0600, you wrote:
>I was curious if anyone knew of any mailing lists that are available that
>pertain to a couple of my other cars. They are:
>'89 Ford Probe LX
>'80 Ford Fairmont Futura
>Also, does anyone know of any web site dedicated to the Fairmont, other
>than at the australian Ford site?
>
>Thanks!!!!

Go to the web site and click the "other lists" button.

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:36:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: Throttle Body -Reply -Reply

At 04:53 PM 10/17/97 -0600, you wrote:
>I will be away from the office from April 24 through
>April 28. If you are in need of an immediate response
>please contract Kathy Gray at 272-8430 or
>Kgray salud.unm.edu.

This dork is off the list. To other members, please don't
ever put an auto-responder on an email address used by
a mailing list.

Ken
Admin

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:00:26 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Bozo with autoreply

This person has been permanently removed from the lists.
Re-s*bscribe attempts will get bounced. Sorry I didn't
get to it right away, I'm out of town and handling my
email remotely (as if email isn't remote already).

Ken
Admin

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Brakes / Exhaust

Josh,
Thanxs, that makes sense to me, but how much larger diameter would I be
looking at? If I could get better performance by just changing diameters,
why doesn't stock come bigger? I realize these are probably maive questions,
but be patient with me - I'm just starting to get into this. Thanks alot,
Craig

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:43:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rendell9 aol.com
Subject: Re: Liners

In a message dated 97-10-18 06:04:21 EDT,
owner-fordtrucks80up-digest ListService.net writes:


makes a great low-cost sound dampener. Use a couple cans of that stuff
in the cab of your truck, and you'll notice a good decrease in road-
and engine-noise. >>

The shop where I had my Rhino liner installed was doing a thriving business
in spraying (if you will pardon the expression) Jeep interiors - hose clean,
insulates and doesn't rot like wet carpet....

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:04:09 -0600
From: Nelson
Subject: Why does1988 Ranger with 2.0 carb exist

I have a friend with a 1988 Ranger that has a carbureted 2.0L engine not a
2.3L fuel injected. (Kelley Blue book doesn't cover it as an engine
option.) It came with absolutely zero options. Even the radio was an
aftermarket item. Everthing we order for it is special purchase. For
example the carburtor base gasket only comes in a $125 kit.

Was this truck normally available at a dealer lot in 1988?

Is it a fleet truck or outside U.S production?

She has a lot invested in the truck, but getting work done on it is difficult.

Thanks,
Ron Nelson

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:03:54, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: RE:Re: Brakes / Exhaust

Craig,

You don't want to go too much bigger, maybe 1/2 inch max. Most stock
exhaust systems are restrictive and are small to help out with
emissions.

Josh

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:37:13 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Where's the 5.0L in the Ranger

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:48:59 -0500 "David J. Baldwin"
writes:

>
>Yeah. I bet you could make yourself a 5.0L Ranger, since the Ranger
>is
>similar to the Explorer. If you got the engine/trans and proper EEC
>and
>a wiring harness out of the Explorer, I bet you could get it to work.
>A
>lot of work though.
>
>The 4.6 OHC in the F-150 is nice too. The 5.4L is too--drove one in
>an
>Expedition and liked it a lot. Didn't like the price, though!


Wanna see a 5.0L Blown, in a 97 Ranger?

Here ya go.... http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pw1.netcom.com/~toolman8/Installation.html

SVT came out with a 5.0L GT-40 Ranger with a Explorer front end.

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:37:13 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Where's the 5.0L in the Ranger

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:17:30 +0000 jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
writes:
>Can anybody say why in the world that the Ranger does not have the
>5.0L like the Explorer does ? What's up with that ? Are there plans
>to have this as an option soon ? And when will there be a third door
>in the supercab ? Even the new 4.2L that is in the F-150 would be a
>great improvement over the 4.0L . Anybody agree ?

220hp is too much torque for the frame (at least it use to be).

I have heard plans for a 4 door Ranger in 99, but they will not be
suicide doors
but more like Crew cab doors.

Crew Cab Suicide
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 16:56:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust

Josh,
I live near Detroit, and one of my brother's friend's dad builds mustangs.
I talked to him, and he siad that the only reason exhaust system are put on
is because of noise. He also said that it would not hurt an engine to have
no backpressure on it, but that it would be really loud. I found this
doubtful...? What kind of performance increase would I get by changing
exhaust? Thanx again,





Craig


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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:43:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
Subject: Re: Liners

There is one thing that I have been warned about concerning the "spray on"
bedliners. It had never came to my mind and in fact until I heard this I was
considering having it applied to one of my trucks. Here it is, if by some
piece of bad luck you are involved in an accident and that area of the truck
requires body work, extensive or otherwise, the "liner" will have to be
removed to facilitate this work. Problem #1 is in the actual removal of the
liner itself, not an easy task to say the least and very labor intensive, and
sometimes impossible. #2, Insurance Co's are refusing to pay for this very
labor intensive process which in fact more times than not ends up requiring
the replacement of the entire bed. Which of course they rufuse to pay for
also.



John Miller
96 F-350
68 F-250
92 Mustang

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:44:22, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: Re: Exhaust

Craig,

Most people see an increas of 7-10 hp over the stock system. Of
course, this will imrove fuel economy slightly, unless you want to
hear your "New" sound. Most people see a decrease in mpg at first
because they like to punch it and listen.

Josh

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 20:17:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geff King
Subject: Re: Why does1988 Ranger with 2.0 carb exist

> I have a friend with a 1988 Ranger that has a carbureted 2.0L engine not a
> 2.3L fuel injected. (Kelley Blue book doesn't cover it as an engine
> option.) It came with absolutely zero options. Even the radio was an
> aftermarket item. Everthing we order for it is special purchase. For
> example the carburtor base gasket only comes in a $125 kit.
>
> Was this truck normally available at a dealer lot in 1988?

I've got a 1985 Ranger which sounds virtually identical to what you
describe. It was called a Ranger "S". After 213K miles, I've still
got it and it's in daily use. Worst I ever had to do was a crumpled
fender when it was a year old, some front-end parts about seven years ago
(they installed grease fittings, so you can actually lube it now) and a
clutch replacement earlier this year. Oh yeah, and a carburetor rebuild
(which took the shop two tries.)

My guess is that the 1988 model was probably the last year run for the 2.0
engine (kinda like a 1960 Edsel, y'know?). It's not a real powerhouse, but
my insurance rates are relatively low, and as long as I can get it up to
65 when I have to I don't complain .

> Is it a fleet truck or outside U.S production?

Probably a fleet item. I refer to it as the "DC Parking Enforcement Model"
since the District of Colombia government meter maids used to have dozens
of 'em on the streets downtown. Also one of the guys in my band maintains
a couple of older Rangers in their fleet - I'll ask him if they've got the
same brand, with the 2.0.

> She has a lot invested in the truck, but getting work done on it is
> difficult.

Why? It's about as simple a vehicle as you can get. I think there's
maybe one "black box" under that hood. My mechanic is from the old school,
so he doesn't seem to find it real daunting.

My one complaint with the truck? The 5-speed transmission, which is a Toyo
Kogyo (Mazda) product.

- --
Geff King * gking ari.net * Librarian & Bass Player
Data-Bases Searched * Dog-Houses Slapped WHILE-U-WAIT
"Anybody who wears gloves while playing the upright bass
is a wuss pure and simple." -- Bangs Tapscott

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 21:47:04 -0400
From: bigguy
Subject: RATTLE

I have a 94' Ranger 4.0l V6 with a 5 speed. It is rattleing when I
first engage it in reverse or 1st. actually it is when I first start to
go and I am just giving it a litlle gas. If I give it a good amount of
gas it will not rattle. It seems that the vibration from the engine is
causing something to rattle. It sounds like tin ratlle ing against some
other metal. I checked the litlle guards around the cat and muffler
thinking that was the problem but they seem really tight and secure.
Has anyone had this type of problem? Could it be the metal inside the
cat itself?

Thanks in advance,
Bigguy

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:12:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: NMurphy613 aol.com
Subject: Re: RATTLE

it could be the support for your exhaust
id get that checked out!

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:28:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Midwest96 aol.com
Subject: Re: RATTLE

I had a rattle at low RPMs, and it was the rear exhaust clamp, had to be
replaced.

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 21:19:29 -0600
From: jimpitcock juno.com (Jim & Star Pitcock)
Subject: 5.0 engine swap

For those of you that have gone to the 5.0, what expenses did you
run into? Did you just start collecting parts over a period of time or
did you just do it all at once? Did you have it professionally done or
did you do it yourself? Any words of wisdom is greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance for your input!

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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 22:43:55 -0700
From: Steven McCullough
Subject: EGR system robbing power?

Here's a question regarding emission systems...I've been reading
up on the EGR system on my wife's 2.3L mustang (I suspect some problems),
but I guess this applies to any engine. My understanding of the EGR system....

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