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fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, October 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 169



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In this issue:

Re: 1988 F-150 has miss [Rich Lobrovich ]
Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant) [Thom Cheney ]
Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant) ["Stephen M. Brown"
Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant) ["Stephen M. Brown"
Dual 7.3 Diesel Exhaust question ["Patrick Vanderlind"
(Fwd) Re: Drilling the front bumper [jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net]
(Fwd) Tires & Rims for sale [jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net]
piece of ____ [WALT214 aol.com]
Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant) [Bill Morgan ]
Re: piece of ____ [Bill Morgan ]
1999 Wheel base [abbott ]
Re: 1988 F-150 has miss [Filip M Gieszczykiewicz ]
Re: 1988 F-150 has miss [Filip M Gieszczykiewicz ]
Ford Trucks posting [Ken Payne ]
Brakes / Exhaust [Midwest96 aol.com]
Ken's responses to Alt.. [Bill03bt aol.com]
Re: Drilling Holes in Bumper [Midwest96 aol.com]
re: Brakes / Exhaust [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Rear Disc Brake Conversions [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:31:29
From: Rich Lobrovich
Subject: Re: 1988 F-150 has miss

REBUILD the Carb ??? these trucks have fuel injections !!!
Was this a joke ???
Rich Lob
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:54:00 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant)

Ken Payne wrote:
>
>
> These "experiments" they conduct are jokes.

I can vouch for that... I helped build the sets for the original
Nissan Altima commercials. We conducted the "official" test of the
car on the dyno with champagne glasses stacked on the hood in our shop
before shooting the final commercial.

Yes, the car did go 100 mph on the dyno with champagne glasses
stacked. We had specially made glasses that exactly conformed to the
contour of the car's hood. We had to be sure to get that first row on
in the right order!! We secured the glasses while the stunt driver
got in & ran the car up to speed. Once the speed was "verified", we
let go of the glasses, and sure enough, they stayed put. After the
real commercial was shot on stage with background & lighting & etc. we
almost lost the glasses as the car was coming down from speed.

Nissan was claiming that the car would do 100 mph with glasses stacked
on the hood.. and it did! Nowhere did we have to state that they were
special glasses, or that the glasses had to be strapped down before
the car could reach 100 mph.

Caveat emptor!!!! IMHO, if it is too good to be true, it probably is.

Thom Cheney
'97 Ford Ranger 4X4 S-cab STX

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:50:32 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant)

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 05:34:33 PDT
> From: David Hertzberg
> Subject: Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant)
> Dave R.: I take it you don't believe in oil additives;-). In the
interests of
> exchanging ideas and insights and furthering the lists' knowledge about
what
> clearly is a controvesial and emotionally-charged topic, I solicit your
comments
> and observations on the following: I am by no means defending additives,
of which

> A credible and well-respected mechanic in the Washington DC area--a
fellow named
> Pat Goss--who hosts a weekend radio show and occassional television
series, runs
> workshops for the public, etc.,--also has endorsed it. This is what he
says he
> did: He added the product during his oil change, ran the car for about
100 miles.
> Then drained out all the oil and put on a new filter. He then drove the
car for 30
> minutes at highway speeds with the AC on, and it ran fine, he says. He
sells the
> product in his shop--but does not sell any of the other additives
(Slick50, etc)
> nor does he endorse any of these other products. I carry no brief for
Mr. Goss,
> but I find his experiement compelling. At the same time, will ANY engine
> from
> which the oil has been drained and on which a new filter has been placed
run for 30
> minutes with just the residual oil remaining inside? (A friend of mine
who builds
> dragsters says yes.) I would appreciate your comments.

I ran across an article on the web regarding this experiment. It seems
that a few years back, an engine builder ran the experiment described
above. Two engines were run for a while with full crankcases of oil. Oil
was drained. The control engine had a regular oil change. The
experimental engine had a quart of Teflon (PTFE) type oil additive added
into it's change. Engines were run for a while, then drained. Engines
restarted and run for a while. Then using sophisticated tests for wear
they found that the PTFE engine had suffered a lot more damage!!! It
appears that in the absence of fresh oil, the PTFE was displacing the oil &
INCREASING WEAR! So these types of tests prove NOTHING. I didn't use any
exact numbers there cuz I don't have the article anymore, but a quick web
search should find it.

I think PTFE has been put to bed, as have some other methods. However,
there are some die-hard Tribotech and DuraLube users who don't seem to have
any bias other than they bought it (which can be a strong bias!...I bought
it, it dang well better work, and I can convince myself that it does).

I got interested again in oil additives because of PROLONG's patent. They
use the chlorinated paraffins, but use an additive to prevent wear.
Chlorinated paraffins are UNBELIEVABLE lubricants, but under high heat &
pressure, they break down & release the Cl-. You quickly get an acidic
system that will eat away metal. PROLONG claims to add a buffer that must
(but the patent doesn't specify) scavenge the Cl- as it forms. That seems
to be why you must add some additional PROLONG every oil change.

I continue to be interested to see if there are any unbiased PROLONG users
out there. A lot of local rod-shops are carrying it already. Their
marketing methods are the same old song & dance...infomercials,
endorsements by racers, an internet order system (smells like MLM!). Their
product intrigues me, but their marketing puts me WAY OFF.

I use Mobil 1 every 3000 miles in the engine, and synthetic gear oil in my
Supercharger.

I would love to hear others' opinions of PROLONG (but please state if you
sell the stuff...nobody wins if the truth is obscured).

steve

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:50:32 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant)

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 05:34:33 PDT
> From: David Hertzberg
> Subject: Re: OIL (Synthetic + Rant)
> Dave R.: I take it you don't believe in oil additives;-). In the
interests of
> exchanging ideas and insights and furthering the lists' knowledge about
what
> clearly is a controvesial and emotionally-charged topic, I solicit your
comments
> and observations on the following: I am by no means defending additives,
of which

> A credible and well-respected mechanic in the Washington DC area--a
fellow named
> Pat Goss--who hosts a weekend radio show and occassional television
series, runs
> workshops for the public, etc.,--also has endorsed it. This is what he
says he
> did: He added the product during his oil change, ran the car for about
100 miles.
> Then drained out all the oil and put on a new filter. He then drove the
car for 30
> minutes at highway speeds with the AC on, and it ran fine, he says. He
sells the
> product in his shop--but does not sell any of the other additives
(Slick50, etc)
> nor does he endorse any of these other products. I carry no brief for
Mr. Goss,
> but I find his experiement compelling. At the same time, will ANY engine
> from
> which the oil has been drained and on which a new filter has been placed
run for 30
> minutes with just the residual oil remaining inside? (A friend of mine
who builds
> dragsters says yes.) I would appreciate your comments.

I ran across an article on the web regarding this experiment. It seems
that a few years back, an engine builder ran the experiment described
above. Two engines were run for a while with full crankcases of oil. Oil
was drained. The control engine had a regular oil change. The
experimental engine had a quart of Teflon (PTFE) type oil additive added
into it's change. Engines were run for a while, then drained. Engines
restarted and run for a while. Then using sophisticated tests for wear
they found that the PTFE engine had suffered a lot more damage!!! It
appears that in the absence of fresh oil, the PTFE was displacing the oil &
INCREASING WEAR! So these types of tests prove NOTHING. I didn't use any
exact numbers there cuz I don't have the article anymore, but a quick web
search should find it.

I think PTFE has been put to bed, as have some other methods. However,
there are some die-hard Tribotech and DuraLube users who don't seem to have
any bias other than they bought it (which can be a strong bias!...I bought
it, it dang well better work, and I can convince myself that it does).

I got interested again in oil additives because of PROLONG's patent. They
use the chlorinated paraffins, but use an additive to prevent wear.
Chlorinated paraffins are UNBELIEVABLE lubricants, but under high heat &
pressure, they break down & release the Cl-. You quickly get an acidic
system that will eat away metal. PROLONG claims to add a buffer that must
(but the patent doesn't specify) scavenge the Cl- as it forms. That seems
to be why you must add some additional PROLONG every oil change.

I continue to be interested to see if there are any unbiased PROLONG users
out there. A lot of local rod-shops are carrying it already. Their
marketing methods are the same old song & dance...infomercials,
endorsements by racers, an internet order system (smells like MLM!). Their
product intrigues me, but their marketing puts me WAY OFF.

I use Mobil 1 every 3000 miles in the engine, and synthetic gear oil in my
Supercharger.

I would love to hear others' opinions of PROLONG (but please state if you
sell the stuff...nobody wins if the truth is obscured).

steve

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:53:11 -6000
From: "Patrick Vanderlind"
Subject: Dual 7.3 Diesel Exhaust question

Why is it if you put dual exahaust on this engine you actually
decrease the performance? (Dual apposed to 3" single)


Confused....


Patrick Vanderlind
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
'93 F250 xcab XLT 4x4 red/red Diesel
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:35:21 +0000
From: jsruss postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Subject: (Fwd) Re: Drilling the front bumper
>
Forwarded message:
From: Self
To: fordtrucks80up listservice.net
Subject: Re: Drilling the front bumper
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:14:21

James ,
I also have a 96 ranger . I bought a Pro Comp Pre Runner light bar
from NTW for $112.95 . I got the gray powder coat one , because it
matches the fender flares perfectly ! This bar will hold 6 lights
easily and looks awesome !

JR RANGER







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