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fordtrucks80up-digest Saturday, October 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 158



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In this issue:

Gasoline odor when cold ["J. Scott Gaines" ]
ADMIN: Missing 155 and 156 digests [Ken Payne ]
Re: Trans Command [Jim Lujan ]
OUCH ["Stephen M. Brown" ]
Re: OUCH [Ken Payne ]
Re: OUCH [Thom Cheney ]
ADMIN: Does anyone have digests 155 or 156 [Ken Payne
need more power! [JOUZA1 aol.com]
Four Speed Trans. [abbott ]
fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #155 [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)]
F-250 Build time?? [JJ/RAE ]
The 99 F-250,350,450 and 550 [FOMOCONUT aol.com]
Overheating! [burl webtv.net (billy casper)]
Re: Overheating! [zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)]
Re: Overheating! [burl webtv.net (billy casper)]

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:54:08 -0400
From: "J. Scott Gaines"
Subject: Gasoline odor when cold

HELP!

Now that the mornings are getting cooler, I have noticed a strong gasoline
odor coming from my '89 Bronco II during the first few minutes of driving
when it's cool (below 70 - this is cool for mid-Florida) outside. It seems
to go away once she's warmed up, but it's pretty strong for a while.

My only thought was a bad vapor cannister - does anyone know if this could
cause the smell. I believe this model has an electric fuel pump, or I would
suspect a bad mechanical one.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

J. Scott Gaines

1989 Bronco II 4WD 103,000 miles.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:47:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Missing 155 and 156 digests

Esosoft's mail server suffered a drive crash yesterday
and their system went down for a couple of hours while
they replaced the drive. Two digests to this list
were not delivered as a result of this. I've contacted
them about it and hopefully they'll be able to send
them out.

- -Ken

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:15:18 -0600
From: Jim Lujan
Subject: Re: Trans Command

To my knowledge the TransCommand does *not* change the shift points. What
it does do is alter the input for the clutch pressure. Consequently, the
pressure increases when the tranny does shift under load. The result
is a quicker (firmer) shift. Take a look at the following info at
Diesel Injection Services (great prices BTW).

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com/transcmd.htm

-Jim-

'97 F-350 PS 4x4 CCab LB (Banks Stage II enhanced)

>Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:09:21 -0400
>From: "Mike Jones"
>Subject: Trans Command
>
>Recently, I've seen postings related to how well the Trans Command (and the
>other one on the market, which name escapes me) works. This really piqued
>my interest, since I HATE the way my Expedition (5.4L w/E40D) shifts at
>full throttle. One question: Does the Trans Command (or the other one)
>raise the full-throttle shift points? As it is now, full-throttle shifts
>are at 4500 rpms. Silly. That wonderful OHC engine, and it shifts like a
>clapped out '77 LTD.
>
>Thanks, Mike J.
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:05:08 -0500
From: "Stephen M. Brown"
Subject: OUCH

Well, I just rode in a 5.7 vortec C***Y tow truck (don't ask me why...I am
still smokin' mad at a certain person who cut me off).
Anyway...That vortec engine is awesome. Ford has missed out with its OHC
4.6 and 5.4. Those c***y's are putting out TONS of low end hp and torque,
and the new Fords are like twinkie eatin', ballet shoe wearin', tortoise
chasin' excuses for trucks at low RPM.
The vortec 454 is supposed to be even MORE powerful. I wish FORD had put a
little more thought into what people use trucks for. Plus the C***Y
transmission (700-R4, i think) has a much better reputation in work truck
circles than the E4OD.
Oh well, I'll just stick with the OLD SCHOOL 5.8 Bronco til FORD gets its
act together. Still haven't seen the stats on the V-10 OHC. Can't imagine
that it's gonna get good mileage, even if it does put some decent low end
torque down.
Geez. It used to be that you could get good performance outta the FORD
motors & with some work, get awesome performance (and end up with a cost
similar to a stock C***Y), but now you pay just as much (sometimes more)
and get less.
It hurts. I love my truck. Even if it looks like its meeting with a C***Y
corsica wasn't mutually beneficial.

I'm gonna write a letter.

steve

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:46:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: OUCH

At 12:05 PM 10/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, I just rode in a 5.7 vortec C***Y tow truck (don't ask me why...I am
>still smokin' mad at a certain person who cut me off).
>Anyway...That vortec engine is awesome. Ford has missed out with its OHC
>4.6 and 5.4. Those c***y's are putting out TONS of low end hp and torque,
>and the new Fords are like twinkie eatin', ballet shoe wearin', tortoise
>chasin' excuses for trucks at low RPM.
>The vortec 454 is supposed to be even MORE powerful. I wish FORD had put a
>little more thought into what people use trucks for. Plus the C***Y
>transmission (700-R4, i think) has a much better reputation in work truck
>circles than the E4OD.
>Oh well, I'll just stick with the OLD SCHOOL 5.8 Bronco til FORD gets its
>act together. Still haven't seen the stats on the V-10 OHC. Can't imagine
>that it's gonna get good mileage, even if it does put some decent low end
>torque down.
>Geez. It used to be that you could get good performance outta the FORD
>motors & with some work, get awesome performance (and end up with a cost
>similar to a stock C***Y), but now you pay just as much (sometimes more)
>and get less.
>It hurts. I love my truck. Even if it looks like its meeting with a C***Y
>corsica wasn't mutually beneficial.
>
>I'm gonna write a letter.
>
>steve

Some personal observations....

While Ch*vy does seem to put out more HP in some of their
stock engines the vehicles are poorly put together overall.
Stock C*maros generally beat stock Mustangs, but they also
have a reputation for becoming rattle cages within a year.

Everytime I get into a Ch*vy (I try to avoid it!) or look
under the hood I always walk away with one thought:

GM has cornered the market on cheap fasteners and workers
who show up drunk....

Pull away interior door panels are a GM speciality. Along
with missing weld points.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:11:05 -0500
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: OUCH

>
> Some personal observations....
>
> While Ch*vy does seem to put out more HP in some of their
> stock engines the vehicles are poorly put together overall.
> Stock C*maros generally beat stock Mustangs, but they also
> have a reputation for becoming rattle cages within a year.
>
> Everytime I get into a Ch*vy (I try to avoid it!) or look
> under the hood I always walk away with one thought:
>
> GM has cornered the market on cheap fasteners and workers
> who show up drunk....
>
> Pull away interior door panels are a GM speciality. Along
> with missing weld points.

Well put. I am absolutely not brand loyal. I buy the best brand for
my money. I too considered the Ch*vy because of the 190 hp vortec
motor. I was not impressed with the build quality or even the design
of the truck. My last Ch*v had problems ON THE WAY HOME FROM BUYING
IT AT THE DEALER!!!! not only that, it took 3 trips back to fix it.
I bought Hondas & Toyotas for the next 3 vehicles I purchased!!!!!

Crossing my fingers til they are Ford Blue,

TC

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:44:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Does anyone have digests 155 or 156

If you go either of these two, please forward a copy to
me for our archives. The server crashed and I didn't
get copies (they're distributed in alphabetical order).

kpayne mindspring.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: JOUZA1 aol.com
Subject: need more power!

I am a 18 year old college student with a 93 Ranger. It has the 4.0
and 5 speed trans. I am looking for some power upgrades in the 300-400
dollar range. They have to be boltons. Somthing local mechanics can put on
or easier. I already have a K&N and Hypertech Power Module. I am saving to
put true duals on. Other than those few options what else could I purchase?
I am looking for a total of around 300 horspower when all done. Thanks for
all your time to those who reply.


Sincerly
Josh Jouza

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:29:50 -0700
From: abbott
Subject: Four Speed Trans.

After 1980 FORD still used a four speed manual until about 93. I think that
is a T-18/NP435 for the early ones and a T-19 for the later rigs. What can
be said about the T-19, is it like the Np435 (no first syncro)?

This mailing list has been great. A big thanks goes out to everyone.
- -Tyler-

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:34:42 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #155

Hi Ken,

Here is 155, I could go thru my mail and compile 156 if you want.

Zeb

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:50:23 -0600 (MDT)
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fordtrucks80up-digest Thursday, October 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 155



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In this issue:

Re: F350 general questions [alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)]
Re: Limited Slip Stuff... [PhilDyson aol.com]
1988 FLOOR MATS [Rich Lobrovich ]
Re: F350 general questions ["Ryan Penner" ]
Re: A Tale Of Rusty Trucks [Ducks4jim aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks80up-digest V1 #153 [Randy Kindler ]
Re: 1988 FLOOR MATS [Midwest96 aol.com]
Re: K&N KIT FOR 4.0L 93 RANGER ["Jerry Dean" ]
Re: Limited Slip Stuff... [Calvin Ford ]
Re: Mazda B4000 ["Jim Bielecki" ]
ADMIN: Sticker design ready, now goes to press. [Ken Payne
Re: 98 Rangers...and then some ["Jim Bielecki"
Price? [Dinga15 aol.com]
Re: Price? [helotie juno.com (Mark A Helotie)]
Re: Price? [Todd Metzger ]
resetting odometer [Michael Ruth ]
Re: vanir throttle body [KSMIKE aol.com]
Power Stroke Defined [Ken Miller ]
E4OD automatic transmission ["Harold P. Balitski"

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700
From: alanh galaxy.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: F350 general questions

> I've been watching the mailing list archives for a while, but decided
> I'd have to actually post to find answers to some of my VERY-NOVICE
> questions. Please gimmie a hand! I need to pull a 40' 5th, and my
> toyota just ain't gonna cut it. How much would you expect a trailer
> like this to weigh?

That's hard to say; definitely over 10,000 lb, and somewhere between there
and 20,000 lb depending on a lot of factors.

> I'm looking in the 1988 to 92 range, because I understand 88 is when the
> Powerstroke 7.3 was introduced, right?

Actually I think '88 is when the Navistar engine went from 6.9L up to
7.3L. The Powerstroke didn't happen until '94 or so. Between then there
was a "pseudo-Powerstroke" which was a non-turbo version, but it was only
offered until the Powerstroke came up.

> I'd prefer a crew cab, which means I'm looking at an F350 no matter what
> (in that year range), right?

Right; I don't think Ford made the Crew Cab available in the F250 line.

> My questions are: when people are talking about axles, what does HD mean?
> Is this the abbv. for a solid axle, rather than an "independant suspension"
> type axle? Do all F350s have a solid axle? And for the 4x4 models, were
> manually locking hubs available / standard?

I think all F350's came with full floating rear axles; the front was either
a live axle for 4WD or twin I beam for 2WD. I'm not sure what is meant by
HD, but it's probably Heavy Duty.

> Also, I'd prefer not to get the "doolie" type setup. But this increases
> my towing weight capacity, right? By how much?

Actually, the duallie option will lower the towing capacity, by the weight
of the extra wheels. And duallies weren't available with 4WD anyway.

> Another: I've owned diesels before, and love them! the 7.3 Power Stroke
> is a must. Do they all have turbo, or was that an option? And I've heard
> nightmare stories about cavitation. Is there a way to test for this?
> What are good things to look at when considering purchasing a ford with
> the navistar engine?

Well, there was a period of about 2 years when a non-turbo "Powerstroke"
was available, but once Navistar released the real thing, that's all
that was available. For the '99 models, they're adding an aftercooler.
Cavitation doesn't need to be a nightmare. If the owner did his job
right and kept the wetting agent in the coolant, then cavitation erosion
won't be a problem. To check for that, you can get test materials from
Navistar which are similar to litmus paper. So long as the concentration
of wetting agent is correct, then there shouldn't be a problem.


> And: if I tow a 5th, I assume I'll want the "towing package" additions?
> What are those? Just a larger radiator, or is it something more?

The towing package I think is just the wiring pigtails. The F350 already
has the big cooling system and stuff. Someone more knowledgeable will
be able to jump in here.

Alan Hepburn | |
National Semiconductor | DON'T TREAD ON ME |
Santa Clara, Ca | |
alanh galaxy.nsc.com | |

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: PhilDyson aol.com
Subject: Re: Limited Slip Stuff...

In a message dated 97-10-08 11:29:46 Pianofxr compuserve.com (Andrew T
Vincitore) wrote:
>Wait a minute... I thought a limited slip rear would move power to the
>wheel with traction ESPECIALLY when one wheel was stuck. Would'nt that be
>the whole point? If it does'nt then I won't be investing in a changeover.
>Can anyone clarify this? Is the Detroit locker type the only kind that will
>do this? What are the disadvantages of something like that? I guess there
>is alot of misconceptions out there ( or maybe just here)!

>Thanks,

>Andrew

>92 F-250 2WD Piano truck

There is a limit to the amount of power that a limited slip diff. can move
over to the wheel with the greatest traction. I can't remeber what it is but
it is different from the posi-track units. The detroit locker is niether, it
mechanically connects the wheels like a spool so that one wheel can't turn
without the other. It will only disconnect a wheel when going around a
corner, when the outside wheel takes the longer path and spins faster than
the inner wheel. The over-running wheel unlocks from the drive train and
makes a clicking noise untill the inner wheel catches up with it.
Here is the problem, when coming out of a turn the outer wheel is still
unlocked, when power is applied it only goes to the inner wheel and the
vehicle will pull to the outside untill the over-running wheel locks back in,
sometime violently. This undesireable "steering" effect is more pronounced
in a short wheel base truck. I had to take it out of my full size Bronco
because I felt it was too dangerous.
Lockers are also sensitive to tire diameter and to set them up properly you
forget about tire pressure. You air them up using a yard stick to measure
their diameter. Unequal tire diameters will fool the diff into believing it
is in a turn and will be partially unlocked all the time. This will be more
troublesome in a vehicle with a stick shift. It might steer to the ditch
everytime you up or down shift.
Lockers are best off road and if you want to ride around town, stick to a
long wheel base truckEnd of fordtrucks80up-digest V1
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:19:50 -0700
From: JJ/RAE
Subject: F-250 Build time??

I just found out our F-250 will be built on 20 Oct, (so the theory goes)
and the dealer is expecting it to arrive by 3 Nov (I hope). How long
does it take to build one once it hits the assembly line? What plant
will it be built at and whit kind of a quality controll program do they
have. I have herd that Monday and Friday are the worst days of the week
to have a vehicle built. Old wives tale or true????

JJ

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:35:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: FOMOCONUT aol.com
Subject: The 99 F-250,350,450 and 550

Hey Gang.. Just a note to tell you I saw many photos today. They were taken
by a Dealership owner at Ford's Wingding introducing the new trucks.. Hey I
was relieved..
the truck does not look at all like a D$%^GE , yes it has a different grill
than we are used to but is no copy cat. Almost good enough to make me
reconsider ordering one of the last "HardTrucks" ..... NOT... However
to me they appear as they will quickly grow on us.. either way... We are FORD
Fans... not wimpy fair weather Brand x and y guys.. and all you have to do
is drive one of the new Vans with the
V-10 to feel assured about power against the other guys..




John L. Miller
96 F-350 4X4, 460
68 F-250 4X4

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:04:24 -0500
From: burl webtv.net (billy casper)
Subject: Overheating!

First of all Thanks to everone who has made this list possible. I have a
1981 ford
courier ( I know it's a hybrrid ) but I really need some help! For some
reason it keeps overheating, I have replaced the water pump, thermostat
and flushed the cooling system. Their are no visable signs of leaking
and there is no water in the oil.
I have done everthing I know any suggestions? Thanks in advance Bill

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:04:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: zeb utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Subject: Re: Overheating!

At 12:04 AM 10/11/97 -0500, fordtrucks80up ListService.net wrote:
>First of all Thanks to everone who has made this list possible. I have a
>1981 ford
>courier ( I know it's a hybrrid ) but I really need some help! For some....


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